Since the internet brought geeks and fanboys together, a question has constantly popped up, one that continues to be the source of much debate: "Who would win in a fight between these characters?". Let's find that out. For the next five to seven days, fictional characters will be elected to participate in a 64-man, single elimination tournament, to determine who among them is the most powerful character. The rules for the nomination process are as follows:
-You may nominate up to 8 entrants. You can't nominate a character more than once, but may, of course, nominate less than 8 characters.
-The character must be defeatable by reproducible means. If a specific sword or metal is necessary to defeat a character, he/she is not elligible. If esoteric, nigh-impossible to discover knowledge is necessary to defeat a character (like knowing where a lich's phylactery is), he/she is not elligible.
-Characters under the influence of a one-time power-up cannot be nominated. If a power-up is replicable and the character can use it without extenuating circumstances, you may nominate the character under its effects. Example: Super Sonic can be nominated, Gordon Freeman with the Dark Energy Gravity Gun cannot.
-Don't nominate characters whose powers are up to speculation, or undefined. For example, nominating the Star Child from 2001: A Space Odyssey. Characters with extremely open powers are allowed, *as long as the extent of those powers is quantified*.
-Characters from previous MPFC contests may be nominated, but keep the above rules in mind.
-Comic Book characters must have a listed era chosen for them from which they may draw feats, to prevent their bloated continuities from encouraging cherry-picking. Stuff outside that era will not be allowed for feat-fishing come match time. Failure to follow this rule will result in me not counting your nomination, or, if you draw feats from outside the chosen era during a match and try to sell them as belonging to that era, the character being disqualified. An era may cover up to five years of history, give or take a few months, limited by reboots and the like.
-Providing writeups for the characters you nominate isn't necessary, but it is appreciated. I will create writeups for characters who don't have one, but they may not be as complete as they could be if you, the nominator, made them instead.
-No "you're not Ed" jokes, please. For every time someone makes that joke I will add one nomination to a random bracket busting character. If you wish to get a running gag going, please start up a new one.
That is all. If you have any questions or suggestions, please let me know.
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1. Q (Star Trek: The Next Generation; Star Trek: Deep Space Nine; Star Trek: Voyager)
Q was a highly powerful entity from a race of omnipotent, godlike beings also known as the Q.
Q appeared to the crews of several Starfleet vessels and outposts during the 2360s and 2370s. All Starfleet personnel of command status are briefed on his existence. One such briefing was attended by Benjamin Sisko in 2367. He typically appears as a humanoid male (though he can take on other forms if he wishes), almost always dressed in the uniform of a Starfleet captain.
In every appearance he demonstrated superior capabilities, but also a mindset that seemed quite unlike what Federation scientists expected for such a powerful being. He has been described, in turn, as "obnoxious," "interfering," and a "pest". However, underneath his acerbic attitude, there seemed to be a hidden agenda to Q's visits that often had the best interests of humanity at their core.
If he is deemed 'too powerful" I understand. However, the key to defeating him is quite simple: overwhelm him with superior outside-the-box thinking. He is almost completely impervious to death itself though but will bow out with varying degrees of acceptance if out-thought.
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Q is perfectly fine, unless he got some very stupid powerups in novels that I've missed. There is no upper bound for power - so long as the character fits all of the rules I included in the OP.
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As for the novels, I haven't read but two involving Q and they didn't overdo him. It remains to be seen whether or not that holds up the whole way through. You know how tie-ins can get...
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Can I nominate my Shinigami character from my naruto fanfic.
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How exactly do you actually defeat Q? "Out thinking him" is just how Picard (and occasionally others) impress him and make him decide to leave, he doesn't really lose anything and I don't recall there ever being indications on how to actually fight a Q successfully.
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Achromatic posted... Can I nominate my Shinigami character from my naruto fanfic.
Is he (she?) an original character? If so...I'd have to think about it, as it's a grey area. I don't believe there's any precedent for fan created characters so I would have to make a ruling.
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I feel like nomming Kazuo Kiriyama from Battle Royale, but he obviously only works as a lower tier (albeit a totally ridiculous and awesome lower tier)
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From: Panthera | #006 How exactly do you actually defeat Q? "Out thinking him" is just how Picard (and occasionally others) impress him and make him decide to leave, he doesn't really lose anything and I don't recall there ever being indications on how to actually fight a Q successfully.
If you were seeking to genuinely slay one you'd need to work with another. The Q Continuum is full of opposing view points, though; while you'd need to have struck a repertoire with an individual Q it wouldn't prove as hard as you might imagine to eliminate another through its assistance supposing they didn't see eye to eye.
Quadruply true during the time of the war across the Continuum.
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Panthera posted... How exactly do you actually defeat Q? "Out thinking him" is just how Picard (and occasionally others) impress him and make him decide to leave, he doesn't really lose anything and I don't recall there ever being indications on how to actually fight a Q successfully.
Q would still have his usual personality, so out-thinking him would be a legitimate way to beat him. Failing that, there is always the "more gun" approach: use powerful enough attacks or reality warping to take him out.
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From: KanzarisKelshen | #007 Achromatic posted... Can I nominate my Shinigami character from my naruto fanfic.
Is he (she?) an original character? If so...I'd have to think about it, as it's a grey area. I don't believe there's any precedent for fan created characters so I would have to make a ruling.
Well I could nominate Death from my book that's not published yet if it would make you feel better.
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Panthera posted... How exactly do you actually defeat Q? "Out thinking him" is just how Picard (and occasionally others) impress him and make him decide to leave, he doesn't really lose anything and I don't recall there ever being indications on how to actually fight a Q successfully.
The Doctor could talk the entire Q Continuum into ending their own existence.
I'm not really sure what anyone else could do in a "fight" though....
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Correct, redrocket. But reality-warping would be a "viable" alternative, as Kanz stated. Doing so would require one to be far from average but we're not in this competition to seek out ways in which completely ordinary individuals can defeat powerful men and women.
Powerful men and women who can be easily defeated by completely ordinary individuals don't necessarily deserve such a title.
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4th Hokage, probably the strongest/fastest guy in the canon with plenty of feats now. Naruto is strong as hell but his ceiling is unclear. I think Minato would be fun.
Monkey D. Luffy - One Piece
He has gotten a lot stronger since the last MPFC so this should be interesting if he can get a cool matchup.
The Doctor - Doctor Who
Only if he is matched up with Q round 1 tbqh
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DeathChicken posted... I feel like nomming Kazuo Kiriyama from Battle Royale, but he obviously only works as a lower tier (albeit a totally ridiculous and awesome lower tier)
Go right ahead. We've seen lower-tier characters make surprisingly deep runs before off of lucky bracket placement and facing the right opponents. A mix of characters will keep the tourney from being too stale!
On another note, host nominations:
1) The Host (Curtains Close) 2) Harry Dresden (Dresden Files) 3) Marduk (Sacrifice) 4) Jon Irenicus (Baldur's Gate II) 5) The Nameless One (Planescape Torment)
More to come later!
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4th Hokage, probably the strongest/fastest guy in the canon with plenty of feats now. Naruto is strong as hell but his ceiling is unclear. I think Minato would be fun.
Monkey D. Luffy - One Piece
He has gotten a lot stronger since the last MPFC so this should be interesting if he can get a cool matchup.
The Doctor - Doctor Who
Only if he is matched up with Q round 1 tbqh
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I forgot about the Doctor. I really should have remembered to add that rule about the TARDIS and him after going through the trouble of clipping the wings of comic characters too. >_<
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I don't really understand how Q fits the "defined powers" rule though. As far as I know there has never been any defined limit to his power.
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Anyway, nominations. Or "nomination" because I'll think of others later but damn it I used to try getting this guy into every single contest he was eligible for (and failed every time) and I will keep that tradition alive!
1. Lord Foul (The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant)
Basic summary of his powers is control of various forms of magic (for lack of a better word) with enough raw power at his peak to make someone unable to oppose him without the power needed being enough to risk destroying the planet. Specializes in less direct combat though - he's been known to use illusions, his powers inherently corrupt people into serving his will if people try to manipulate them/use them for themselves, and his much less powerful servants have been shown to use a lot of clever tactics in warfare like animating the dirt in the form of all those who have died in a given area to attack without risking casualties to their own army, although the preparation time on these would mean he'd need to create a lot of distance to make use of them in a one on one match. Additionally, he pretty much automatically enslaves any undead he encounters, and is effectively immune to time manipulation (because screwing with time will "unseal" him from the planet he's on and make him more powerful) and mind control (because it would eventually enslave whoever tried to control him, and he explicitly cannot be defeated by any power that isn't being guided by the free will of its user).
On the other hand, he can be defeated if you can just keep overwhelming him with raw power, by enduring his powers long enough that he drains himself of power, or by some more nebulous means like defeating him then refusing to kill him or if you can give him cause to want to temporarily destroy himself (as in, to leave himself unable to act for centuries) in order to make you die in total despair and then you can actually survive the means used to do it.
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From: KanzarisKelshen | #010 Q would still have his usual personality, so out-thinking him would be a legitimate way to beat him. Failing that, there is always the "more gun" approach: use powerful enough attacks or reality warping to take him out.
The problem is his usual personality doesn't apply to an actual fight. He doesn't show up to fight Picard, he shows up to test him. We've never really seen Q trying to just eliminate someone without giving them a "fair trial" of sorts, nor do we know what limits he has to his powers.
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If we're opting to exclude Q I probably won't bother coming up with any further nominations. Not trying to sound like a lamer, it's just that I'm having a tough time drumming up entries as-is.
I'll show up to vote though.
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Panthera posted... From: KanzarisKelshen | #010 Q would still have his usual personality, so out-thinking him would be a legitimate way to beat him. Failing that, there is always the "more gun" approach: use powerful enough attacks or reality warping to take him out. The problem is his usual personality doesn't apply to an actual fight. He doesn't show up to fight Picard, he shows up to test him. We've never really seen Q trying to just eliminate someone without giving them a "fair trial" of sorts, nor do we know what limits he has to his powers.
This isn't a problem because we've had fights where voters decided a character would win for reasons other than overpowering their opponent before anyway. Personality is NOT overriden in a fight. If Q isn't a fighter he will not fight and that is that.
As for undefined powersets, I believe we've seen Q's upper bound, haven't we? IIRC he once or twice showed a much greater extent of his powers off than his usual gimmicks.
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With Q I just want to avoid the problems these things had in the past with characters whose powers are "they do stuff" and their limits are "I don't know, stuff" and then matches have nothing going on but jokes or arguing over random semantics because no one, even the characters own supporters, have any clue of how any fight would play out because the character in question has no defined powers.
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I'm not sure we actually have seen his upper bound to be honest. As far as I know, putting Q in wouldn't be much different from putting in Cthulu Mythos Gods or Wilhelm from Xenosaga. If someone can actually quote specific upper limits to his powers I'd be fine with it, but the only limit I know of personally is other Qs.
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Panthera posted... With Q I just want to avoid the problems these things had in the past with characters whose powers are "they do stuff" and their limits are "I don't know, stuff" and then matches have nothing going on but jokes or arguing over random semantics because no one, even the characters own supporters, have any clue of how any fight would play out because the character in question has no defined powers.
A very fair point (and Redrocket's, too). If Q has been shown to have an upper bound (or at least a full-on, "serious" display like, say...Mad Jim Jaspers' had), then he can be slotted in. Otherwise it makes more sense to keep him off the bracket. Can anyone chime in with info on him to clear this up?
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A half-Aboriginal Australian psychopath employed as an assassin by the Grail Brotherhood. He possesses the ability to mentally interfere with machines, allowing him to do many seemingly impossible things. He refers to this ability as his twist.
Exceptionally deceitful, he is a remarkably tough to gauge. Thus, in the real world he is cunning enough to avoid most forms of conflict outright despite his very normal (albeit strong) body. Determined parties can fell him in any way a human can be killed, however they will certainly want plenty of back-up as he's a hired killer.
In the virtual world of "Otherland" (and by extension the entirety of the series' take on the internet) it is a very different story. Having hacked into the system's mainframe and gained incredible control over it he can exert his will almost infinitely. If you kill him he can come back rather quickly, although he will often experience a short-term mental breakdown in relation to his immense ego. He can turn whole environments against you in a matter of seconds; in essence it is very nearly suicidal to go against Dread online.
I don't expect him to progress past the first round, really, but dammit, he's a great character.
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He is a reality warper with no means of defeating him in a fight having ever been discovered. You can do the "out think him" argument, but this is MPFC; noone will listen to it and they will just have him win by reality hax.
We know how well arguments that depend on a weakness in the opponents character tend to work.
Here's a character I think could be interesting. Lelouch vi Britannia (Code Geass)
Physically a normal human and would easily be beaten in a fight. But he is a genius strategist and has a special power that allows him to make a single command to anyone he has eye contact with. For instance he can command you to "die" and you would kill yourself.
He could also have his mech Shinkiro, that specializes in defense. His mech has been beaten before and really isn't very powerful on attack. The big problem being he can't use his power inside the mech.
I might nominate Rolo and Suzaku (w/mech) later.
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Would "Finn and Jake" count as one nom (didn't nom yet thinking of some) just wondering if certain "teams" like that could count as one nom (Kinda like Jak and Daxter Ratchet and Clank etc)
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Pirateking2000 posted... Would "Finn and Jake" count as one nom (didn't nom yet thinking of some) just wondering if certain "teams" like that could count as one nom (Kinda like Jak and Daxter Ratchet and Clank etc)
Is there any reason in particular for nomming both of them? Do they become significantly more powerful together or anything?
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2. Spock (Star Trek; Star Trek: The Next Generation; Star Trek XI)
"...Of my friend, I can only say this... of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was the most... human." - James T. Kirk, 2285
Spock – full name generally considered unpronounceable to Humans – was a Human/Vulcan hybrid who became one of the most distinguished and respected figures in the United Federation of Planets in his lifetime.
As a Starfleet officer in the latter half of the 23rd century, he served aboard the starship USS Enterprise as science officer under Captain Christopher Pike, as first officer and science officer under Captain James T. Kirk, and as the Enterprise's commanding officer during her tenure as a training vessel. In the 24th century, Spock became a celebrated ambassador and adviser to the Federation's leadership. He disappeared in 2387 after saving the Federation from the supernova that destroyed Romulus, causing the creation of the alternate reality.
The extent of Spock's powers and limitations is tied directly to Vulcan physiology, although his ample wisdom (as well as his human half potentially limiting certain physical capabilities) should be considered in full as well.
To that end, let us observe Vulcan physiology briefly:
Vulcans possess a highly efficient respiratory system to extract the oxygen they need from Vulcan's thin atmosphere. They are most comfortable in high temperatures, which is natural given the hot, arid climate of their homeworld.
Vulcan hearing is very sensitive. They possess a superior metabolism to humans (which my personal views on the franchise have led me to believe is only very slightly diminished in the case of the half-human Spock.)
Vulcans are on average three times stronger than humans with considerably superior reflexes. I would feel comfortable stating that Spock's personal abilities are likely closer to twice that of a normal human. It is his considerable intelligence and wisdom that wins him over -- he is a quick thinker with a vast array of knowledge and know-how... in addition to all that muscle.
Unlike most humanoid species, traumatic memories are not only psychologically disturbing to Vulcans, but have physical consequences as well. The Vulcan brain, in reordering neural pathways, can literally lobotomize itself.
This, coupled with the deep-rooted belief that logic trumps all, is often the key to a Vulcan's defeat if no greater physical or suppressing force is available. Psychological warfare can be highly effective against the emotionally purged Vulcan people and Spock, "always a child of two worlds", is no exception. In fact, his emotions are much closer to the surface and can be used against him by the extremely savvy of the universe.
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Dunno they just seem more of a team to me. Plus Finn can use Jake as a weapon / armor etc (when he asked Jake to turn into a giant sword to slam the Lich King etc)
same with Fionna and Cake (she asked her to turn into a morning star / flail / mace and used her as a weapon
etc.
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A teenage sociopath, Kazuo Kiriyama is a genius with an inability to feel pain or emotion. The killer of the most students in the Battle Royale program, Kazuo possesses an intuitive grasp of anything he sees, granting him mastery of various martial arts, including duplication of ki attacks. Armed with a MAC-10 and wearing a bulletproof vest, among Kazuo's more notable feats were ripping out a gym teacher's eyeball during a spar, manually performing surgery on himself to reattach severed tendons in his arm that were preventing him from moving his trigger finger, defeating and killing a supernatural martial artist, surviving car crashes, explosions, and single handedly murdering 15 of his Program opponents.
I'm probably not doing him justice. That guy was basically Evil Batman <_<
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I'd prefer to stick to one character per nomination, if possible. I doubt Jake and Finn could make a deep run, but allowing more than one character per slot opens a big can of worms. Sorry Pk2k. :-/
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DC, just to clarify, that is Manga Kazuo, isn't it? Just so nobody mistakes him for the novel/film version.
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aww that could have been interesting with Jake DEF + some attack with Finns ATK etc
ahh well Finn alone has proven himself capable as well (slaughtering gladiator phantoms for the lawlz) could also cheat and nominate him with his wizard stuff (heck even without the wizard stuff he is still capable of the "Power Shriek"
could he be nominated with the Gauntlet of Billy (looks at rules) damn...or could he? He only had it once to fight Lich King with but it was destroyed (by Lich King who casually crushed it) >_<
hmm...(contemplates nominating The Lich) lol
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1. Lelouch vi Britannia (Code Geass: Nightmare of Nunally)
A brilliant strategist, Lelouch's special Geass ability gives him access to an suit of armor that enhances all of his natural physical abilities. He can dodge, fight and keep up with mobile suits and can usually run circles around them. Lelouch is seen outright destroying many robots and also using his special DOM system to disable any electronic devices or vehicles surrounding him (which includes giant robots). He has strong telekinesis, able to stop attacks like an array of projectiles 360 degrees around him that are traveling faster than the speed of sound.
Lelouch takes very little damage from any enemy he faces, things from being punched by robots to being shot by weapons (from hand guns to giant lasers) do nearly nothing. The armor's cape can act as an additional shield and can be used as a weapon as well. Lelouch can summon his robot, Gawain, at any time. This robot is the same as the one seen in Code Geass, it has a wide variety of laser attacks and can fly as well.
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DeathChicken posted... Because he was so much fun last time
2) Lord Voldemort (Harry Potter)
...although how did we deal with his Horcruxes last time? He's kinda immortal with those
I don't really remember, but Voldemort being hit with his own Curse of Death stripped him of his body, which can be counted as a loss. Similar powerful attacks could also beat him I think.
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From: DeathChicken | #044 Because he was so much fun last time
2) Lord Voldemort (Harry Potter)
...although how did we deal with his Horcruxes last time? He's kinda immortal with those
The Horcruxes are pretty terrible when you think about it, they make him "immortal" but you can still essentially "kill" him because he gets turned into some pathetic ghost thing that needs some crazy esoteric ritual to resurrect that will take years. Characters like that are always fine because if you defeat them and they need half a lifetime to recover from it, you win. Hell, I suggested Lord Foul and he technically (so far at least) can't permanently be destroyed, but it takes a thousand years or more for him to recover from defeat so that's more than good enough for the purposes of this.
Actually
2. Voldemort (Harry Potter)
Might as well, it's easy enough to understand his powers and how he fights/can lose
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Lord Foul was supposed to be the anti-Touhou character, right?
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If kanzaris can actually keep mpfc ccontrolled yet interesting this could be an mpfc I actually like
I can't promise it'll be interesting since that depends on the noms I get, but there will certainly be no silliness like Urza getting a merge between Book Urza, Card Urza, and GameFAQS Urza and coasting with that to the finals!
Speaking of interesting...does anybody know which Volume of The Darkness would be best to pick if I were to nom Jackie Estacado? IIRC the comic Darkness is quite a bit more powerful than the Videogame Darkness, so he could be a fun entrant without being stupidly overpowered.
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Needs an arc/era DC. Otherwise I can't count that nom.
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