Board 8 > NCAA Games II: Week 19 Results and Discussion Topic

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LeonhartFour
09/23/11 4:17:00 PM
#1:


And contest season returns just in time for conference play!

NCAA Games II week by week schedules (including past results):

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AvxHjoIdpiozdEtadTB0dEhmX3JxZkZfdzdhTHF6WGc&hl=en#gid=0

NCAA Games II Conference Breakdowns (including a quicker, faster look at individual games' opponents, wins, and losses):

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AvxHjoIdpiozdDhfenhraVlvNlk3VkUzb0tFalMtYUE&hl=en#gid=0

This week's top 25:

1. Chrono Trigger (1)
2. Resident Evil 4 (2)
3. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow (3)
4. Super Mario World (5)
5. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (7)
6. Super Smash Bros. Melee (6)
7. Super Mario Galaxy (8)
8. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (9)
9. Super Mario 64 (4)
10. Super Mario Bros. 3 (11)
11. Final Fantasy VII (12)
12. Final Fantasy VI (13)
13. Final Fantasy IX (15)
14. Metal Gear Solid (10)
15. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (16)
16. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (17)
17. Final Fantasy X (14)
18. Tales of Symphonia (18)
19. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (20)
20. Portal (23)
21. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (22)
22. Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4 (NR)
23. Okami (24)
24. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (25)
25. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (19)

Dropped out: Paper Mario (21)

Also receiving votes:

15 - Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations
13 - Star Fox 64
10 - Half-Life 2
7 - Paper Mario
3 - Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
3 - Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
2 - Final Fantasy Tactics
2 - Mario Kart 64
2 - Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal
1 - Mega Man X
1 - Metroid Prime

Low number of voters today, for whatever the reason. Mario World is the top ranked Mario game now, LTTP hops back into the top 5 with its big win, the FF trio is knocking on the door to the top 10, MGS3 barely holds on, and Persona 4 gets back in the Top 25. All the weird results last week really seemed to consolidate the Top 25. Not many games outside of the Top 25 got a lot of support.

No matches today because the board is in the nomination craze so things are moving way too fast.

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LeonhartFour
09/23/11 4:18:00 PM
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Total Points:

375 - Chrono Trigger
354 - Resident Evil 4
338 - Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
321 - Super Mario World
305 - The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
300 - Super Smash Bros. Melee
280 - Super Mario Galaxy
263 - Super Mario Galaxy 2
257 - Super Mario 64
252 - Super Mario Bros. 3
226 - Final Fantasy VII
199 - Final Fantasy VI
191 - Final Fantasy IX
163 - Metal Gear Solid
145 - The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
120 - The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
115 - Final Fantasy X
111 - Tales of Symphonia
104 - Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
100 - Portal
82 - Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
65 - Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4
60 - Okami
55 - Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
35 - Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
15 - Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations
13 - Star Fox 64
10 - Half-Life 2
7 - Paper Mario
3 - Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
3 - Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
2 - Final Fantasy Tactics
2 - Mario Kart 64
2 - Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal
1 - Mega Man X
1 - Metroid Prime

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swirIdude
09/23/11 4:27:00 PM
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22. Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4 (NR)

BEARY exciting!

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TsunamiXXVIII
09/23/11 4:33:00 PM
#4:


Weird but true: Through five voters, five different games had 1 point each.

Also, what a crazy ending there. FFIX receives only nine points from the last two voters combined after getting at least that many from each of the first thirteen (and only that few from one; twelve of them had it in their top 15), and FFVI makes up 20 points on the younger game to charge ahead after seemingly on the verge of being jumped. Meanwhile, RE4 was just 1 point shy of being a unanimous #2...and then the final voter puts it seventh. (Hey, remember when everyone was on my case about not putting Chrono Trigger #1 after everyone else had agreed that it was? I had CT up at #2 as early as Week 5 and never had it lower than third after that--and that was coming from not even being on my preseason ballot.)

I really want to hear lefty justify why he has RE4 outside his top 5, and if I'm not mistaken he actually dropped it a spot.

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LeonhartFour
09/23/11 4:34:00 PM
#5:


lefty doesn't care about records, that's why.

He cares more about results from 5 years ago, which is why he still votes Melee #2.

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TsunamiXXVIII
09/23/11 4:48:00 PM
#6:


Ah. That makes sense.

...Wait CONTEST SEASON?!?!?!?! I guess that's what I get for rarely actually visiting the frontpage anymore.

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Andel
09/23/11 5:59:00 PM
#7:


by ballot was ****ty this week as I rushed it....cant believe I forgot SotN

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red sox 777
09/23/11 6:58:00 PM
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If I had remembered to vote in time, I would also have put Melee in 2nd like lefty. So RE4 getting unanimous 2nd place would have required both of us to not vote for some reason.

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LeonhartFour
09/23/11 7:05:00 PM
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Someone else voted RE4 third, so it wouldn't have happened anyway.

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swirIdude
09/23/11 9:37:00 PM
#10:


RE4 will get its unanimous Top 2 position once it sweeps a difficult conference. Might even steal some #1 votes from CT!

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LeonhartFour
09/23/11 9:48:00 PM
#11:


It'll steal the #1 vote from the RPI, at least, I'd wager.

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swirIdude
09/23/11 9:57:00 PM
#12:


It might also steal Tsunami's #1!

I'd say KCF's, but Half-Life 2 will be his #1 at that point, somehow.

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LinkMarioSamus
09/23/11 10:59:00 PM
#13:


I'm going to assume that Wind Waker and Super Metroid are going to make the tourney for sure, but I would like to hear War's analysis on them.

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Janus5000
09/23/11 11:06:00 PM
#14:


I honestly don't see RE4 sweeping its conference. It could just be me being paranoid but I wouldn't be surprised if Okami or something upset it.

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swirIdude
09/23/11 11:08:00 PM
#15:


War's backlog:

DQVIII
Tales of Vesperia
Wind Waker
Super Metroid

Wasnt there another one?

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LeonhartFour
09/23/11 11:08:00 PM
#16:


FFVIII!

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swirIdude
09/24/11 10:20:00 AM
#17:


Most of that backlog will make the tournament. War should just skip those.

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LeonhartFour
09/24/11 10:20:00 AM
#18:


Well, there's no reason to bother diagnosing Super Metroid's and Wind Waker's chances. Barring an epic collapse in conference play, those two will get in comfortably.

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WarThaNemesis2
09/24/11 10:51:00 AM
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I'm having major computer issues (which is why I wasn't there to push SOTN into the top 21!), so BUBBLE WATCH will be on temporary hold, but don't worry, I'll provide mass analyses once these issues are resolved.

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TsunamiXXVIII
09/24/11 1:33:00 PM
#20:


Nomination period for the contests: The perfect way to avoid low weekend votals!

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LeonhartFour
09/24/11 1:34:00 PM
#21:


Not having a match on Saturday is an even better solution!

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LeonhartFour
09/24/11 7:13:00 PM
#22:


Conference play has begun!

Huzzah!

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LinkMarioSamus
09/25/11 5:54:00 PM
#23:


Woah, not letting this thread purge!

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LeonhartFour
09/25/11 6:29:00 PM
#24:


LMS, I've told you before that this topic doesn't need help with bumping because I post results in it on a daily basis.

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LinkMarioSamus
09/25/11 7:12:00 PM
#25:


I hope commenting on results posted in the spreadsheets is okay...

Wow looks like SA2 and Civ4 have earned some new quality wins.

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th3l3fty
09/25/11 7:14:00 PM
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no, it isn't, and you've been told this before >_>

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The Real Truth
09/25/11 7:15:00 PM
#27:


bump

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LeonhartFour
09/25/11 7:15:00 PM
#28:


From: LinkMarioSamus | #025
I hope commenting on results posted in the spreadsheets is okay...


This was firmly established weeks ago.

Because you and Tsunami are the only one who stare intently at the spreadsheets waiting for me to update the results.

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pjbasis
09/25/11 7:17:00 PM
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It's funny that there's someone who's doing something as weird as LMS.
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LeonhartFour
09/25/11 8:33:00 PM
#30:


Yesterday's results:

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (Games of the Decades Conference) (3-16, 0-1) – 15 (37.50%)
#15 The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (Games of the Decades Conference) (16-3, 1-0) – 25 (62.50%)
--Majora's Mask opens up conference play with an easy win over CoD4.

Contra (Games of the Decades Conference) (9-10, 0-1) – 15 (37.50%)
SoulCalibur II (Games of the Decades Conference) (14-5, 1-0) – 25 (62.50%)
--SoulCalibur II imitates MM's example against Contra.

Earthbound (Games of the Decades Conference) (11-8, 1-0) – 20 (55.56%)
Sonic Colors (Games of the Decades Conference) (6-13, 0-1) – 16 (44.44%)
--It wasn't pretty, but a win's a win for Earthbound.

Final Fantasy VIII (Games of the Decades Conference) (13-6, 1-0) – 24 (70.59%)
Shining Force II (Games of the Decades Conference) (5-14, 0-1) – 10 (29.41%)
--FFVIII takes care of business in the conference opener against Shining Force II.

Max Payne (Games of the Decades Conference) (3-16, 0-1) – 9 (21.95%)
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal (Games of the Decades Conference) (15-4, 1-0) – 32 (78.05%)
--The blowout of the day belongs to G/S/C as it crushes Max Payne.

Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (Games of the Decades Conference) (11-8, 0-1) – 16 (38.10%)
Paper Mario (Games of the Decades Conference) (15-4, 1-0) – 26 (61.90%)
--Paper Mario rebounds from last week's tough loss with a resounding win over MGS2.

Banjo-Kazooie (Sonic Overload Conference) (12-7, 1-0) – 24 (63.16%)
Sonic CD (Sonic Overload Conference) (3-16, 0-1) – 14 (36.84%)
--Banjo beats Sonic CD without much trouble.

Bioshock (Sonic Overload Conference) (12-7, 0-1) – 19 (48.72%)
Sonic Adventure 2 (Sonic Overload Conference) (17-2, 1-0) – 20 (51.28%)
--Well, that's a step in the right direction for Sonic Adventure 2.

Chrono Cross (Sonic Overload Conference) (10-9, 0-1) – 17 (45.95%)
Sonic 3 & Knuckles (Sonic Overload Conference) (14-5, 1-0) – 20 (54.05%)
--Chrono Cross put up a good fight, but it couldn't quite score the upset.

Civilization IV (Sonic Overload Conference) (12-7, 1-0) – 17 (51.52%)
Mother 3 (Sonic Overload Conference) (10-9, 0-1) – 16 (48.48%)
--Civ 4 edges out Mother 3 in a tight battle.

Final Fantasy Tactics (Sonic Overload Conference) (15-4, 1-0) – 20 (57.14%)
Half-Life 2 (Sonic Overload Conference) (15-4, 0-1) – 15 (42.86%)
--FFT gets a late surge to put HL2 away and secure the win.

Gears of War (Sonic Overload Conference) (1-18, 0-1) – 17 (48.57%)
Guitar Hero II (Sonic Overload Conference) (2-17, 1-0) – 18 (51.43%) (OT, 11-9)
--This match was so good that 24 hours wasn't enough, I guess.

Brave Fencer Musashi (Cult RPG Galaxy Conference) (2-17, 0-1) – 14 (48.28%)
World of Goo (Cult RPG Galaxy Conference) (8-11, 1-0) – 15 (51.72%)
--The vote totals were like trying to walk through goo on this one.

Dragon Quest V: Hand of the Heavenly Bride (Cult RPG Galaxy Conference) (8-11, 0-1) – 12 (34.29%)
#18 Tales of Symphonia (Cult RPG Galaxy Conference) (17-2, 1-0) – 23 (65.71%)
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LinkMarioSamus
09/25/11 8:58:00 PM
#31:


Yes Civ4 and FFT with big victories.

SA2 > BioShock argh.

So much for rooting for Half-Life 2 (although I didn't vote for it today).

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LeonhartFour
09/25/11 8:59:00 PM
#32:


Shocker, LMS was wrong about HL2

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LinkMarioSamus
09/25/11 9:03:00 PM
#33:


Oh well I wasn't rooting for it today so it isn't much of a blow.

Also I just realized that FE7/Civ4, SA1/Civ4, SA1/F-Zero GX, and F-Zero GX/Mother 3 all fall in line with the Civ4 > Mother 3 result.

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KCF0107
09/25/11 9:03:00 PM
#34:


Well, I don't think that I will be having Half-Life 2 in my Top 20

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LeonhartFour
09/25/11 9:05:00 PM
#35:


I suppose it'll take 3-4 more losses before you drop HL2 from your Top 25 completely, I guess.

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Janus5000
09/25/11 9:38:00 PM
#36:


hahahaha SA2 actually won a decent match what

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LeonhartFour
09/25/11 9:39:00 PM
#37:


I think SA2's schedule has become so unprecedentedly pathetic that people are actually starting to root for the thing to succeed.

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swirIdude
09/25/11 9:43:00 PM
#38:


RPI


1. Chrono Trigger (1) . . . . [1.025592]
2. Resident Evil 4 (2) . . . . [0.979998]
3. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow (3) . . . . [0.934067]
4. Super Mario Bros. 3 (4) . . . . [0.933884]
5. Super Mario Galaxy (5) . . . . [0.931115]
6. Super Mario World (6) . . . . [0.929961]
7. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (7) . . . . [0.928137]
8. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (8) . . . . [0.913532]
9. Final Fantasy IX (9) . . . . [0.907568]
10. Super Smash Bros. Melee (10) . . . . [0.906043]
11. Metal Gear Solid (11) . . . . [0.902518]
12. Super Mario 64 (12) . . . . [0.885137]
13. Final Fantasy VII (13) . . . . [0.858715]
14. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (15) . . . . [0.854015]
15. Final Fantasy VI (14) . . . . [0.853716]
16. Portal (16) . . . . [0.846144]
17. Tales of Symphonia (17) . . . . [0.845369]
18. Final Fantasy X (18) . . . . [0.831706]
19. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (19) . . . . [0.811911]
20. Okami (21) . . . . [0.809661]
21. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (23) . . . . [0.807524]
22. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (22) . . . . [0.806894]
23. Paper Mario (27) . . . . [0.805106]
24. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (20) . . . . [0.802935]
25. Mario Kart 64 (24) . . . . [0.800559]
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations (25) . . . . [0.797154]
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4 (26) . . . . [0.794624]
Batman: Arkham Asylum (28) . . . . [0.785266]
Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars (30) . . . . [0.778650]
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (31) . . . . [0.775488]

Have you all seen the Catherine tournament? It was great!

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LeonhartFour
09/25/11 9:44:00 PM
#39:


Where is SA2 ranked now?

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swirIdude
09/25/11 9:45:00 PM
#40:


LeonhartFour posted...
Where is SA2 ranked now?

It's in the LUE position. (#42, for those not in the know.)

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09/25/11 9:45:00 PM
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Perfect.

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LinkMarioSamus
09/25/11 10:00:00 PM
#42:


On a side note, StarCraft makes me want to play both FFT and HL2.

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LinkMarioSamus
09/26/11 5:33:00 AM
#43:


LeonhartFour posted...
I think SA2's schedule has become so unprecedentedly pathetic that people are actually starting to root for the thing to succeed.

My opinion of both SA games actually rose a little during the contest but not much. Beating BioShock was all kinds of muck.

I actually wouldn't mind SA2 > OOT though!

Another thing I've learned this contest is that I shouldn't trust B8 to like the following kinds of games all that much:

-PC in general, especially strategy games
-Games best known for their "atmosphere" (when the likes Silent Hill 2, Wind Waker, BioShock, SOTC, and both Metroids are putting on some colossal bombs, what else do I have left to conclude?)

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LinkMarioSamus
09/26/11 7:19:00 PM
#44:


WTF at today's OT match.

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vcharon
09/26/11 7:22:00 PM
#45:


To its credit, Aria was looking pretty good earlier in the season.

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LinkMarioSamus
09/26/11 7:27:00 PM
#46:


Oh yeah and didn't SOTN fail to break 40% on this same opponent?

LOL. It would be such a garbage result if Aria of Sorrow won, even eclipsing any of Super Metroid's losses (pretty easily at that). Oh well at least it gives hope for a certain other game to pull off another Mario upset.

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Haste_2
09/26/11 7:28:00 PM
#47:


SotN might be able to beat SMW today, though.

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LinkMarioSamus
09/26/11 7:30:00 PM
#48:


I'll take it since it would mean Super Metroid = SMW!

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vcharon
09/26/11 7:38:00 PM
#49:


Yes, because clearly fluke results are a total impossibility. If you follow this thing at all, you'll be aware of the "anti-Mario" sentiment that flares up once every month or so. It quickly dissipates however and should generally be ignored.

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LeonhartFour
09/26/11 7:39:00 PM
#50:


Don't worry. This is just another instance of LMS not getting it and not caring to get it.

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