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the icon ownz all
09/28/11 11:22:00 PM
#1:


so how was voodoo


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09/28/11 11:22:00 PM
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Pretty boring.

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the icon ownz all
09/28/11 11:26:00 PM
#3:


why does basri have to be on a loser

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I can't even find a solicit for Secret Avengers #16.1

Was it New Avengers and I'm just remembering wrong? I really thought it was Secret.


Secret Avengers had a .1 back at... 12, I think. What's the New Avengers .1 about? And why do I think there's a Regular Avengers .1 coming out that will tie-in to New Avengers .1?


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KimPilgrim
09/28/11 11:27:00 PM
#4:


You like Basri, too?

Everywhere I go people think I'm crazy and say he's ****.

It's starting to irk me!

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the icon ownz all
09/28/11 11:30:00 PM
#5:


I dunno what's to hate. Basri pulls of the DC house style better than anyone that's not Manapul. I love it, everything's so crisp. He gives the colourist an opportunity to make their mark on the book, too. Basri/Gho too good.


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the icon ownz all
09/28/11 11:31:00 PM
#6:


I'm not a news guy, but this is too exciting not to share:
http://twitter.com/#!/nickspencer/status/119164679019970560

!!


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KimPilgrim
09/28/11 11:31:00 PM
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I think people were just being pissy that he took over Power Girl after Conner.

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RayDyn
09/28/11 11:32:00 PM
#8:


Should get this weeks comics tomorrow or Friday. Also, I hate working on Wednesdays, the first chance I'll get to go to my LCS is Friday.

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ZenOfThunder
09/28/11 11:32:00 PM
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From: the icon ownz all | #006
I'm not a news guy, this is too exciting not to share:
http://twitter.com/#!/nickspencer/status/119164679019970560

!!


WOW I thought it was lost forever

this is very good news

...if I could remember what happened in the first two

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KimPilgrim
09/28/11 11:32:00 PM
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From: the icon ownz all | #006
I'm not a news guy, but this is too exciting not to share:
http://twitter.com/#!/nickspencer/status/119164679019970560

!!


I'm assuming that was good, then!

Is it a 3rd graphic novel, or has there just been a huge delay between issues?

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KimPilgrim
09/28/11 11:33:00 PM
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From: RayDyn | #008
Should get this weeks comics tomorrow or Friday. Also, I hate working on Wednesdays, the first chance I'll get to go to my LCS is Friday.


Probably my favorite DC week, you should be hyped!

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RayDyn
09/28/11 11:33:00 PM
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I enjoyed Basri's art in Power Girl, not as much as Conner's, but I still liked it.

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09/28/11 11:33:00 PM
#13:


*general Avengers 16.1 spoilers*

Norman Osborn has to be transferred to some place for a trial, and the New Avengers have to do it because "all they do is sit around and eat."

So they agree to do it but mess up and Osborn gets set free and is greeted by an army of thousands upon thousands of followers.

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ZenOfThunder
09/28/11 11:34:00 PM
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From: KimPilgrim | #010
I'm assuming that was good, then!

Is it a 3rd graphic novel, or has there just been a huge delay between issues?


huuuuge delay between issues

not as big was ult hulk vs wolverine but big enough that we pulled it from our shelf

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the icon ownz all
09/28/11 11:34:00 PM
#15:


Bah. Basri had a great take on Power Girl from the first issue, it was Winick that took a few issues to find the right tone. Misplaced criticism. Don't hate on great artists taking over for great artists!


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the icon ownz all
09/28/11 11:36:00 PM
#16:


From: KimPilgrim | #010
Is it a 3rd graphic novel, or has there just been a huge delay between issues?


First issue in January, second in April. Nick should swap out Infinite for Astonishing.


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KimPilgrim
09/28/11 11:37:00 PM
#17:


Well I will definitely check that series out.

From: the icon ownz all | #015
Bah. Basri had a great take on Power Girl from the first issue, it was Winick that took a few issues to find the right tone. Misplaced criticism. Don't hate on great artists taking over for great artists!


Indeed. I liked the first few Winnick PG issues, but if you weren't reading Generations Lost they were probably lackluster. And Basri is a top 10 for me.

From: ZenOfThunder | #013
*general Avengers 16.1 spoilers*

Norman Osborn has to be transferred to some place for a trial, and the New Avengers have to do it because "all they do is sit around and eat."

So they agree to do it but mess up and Osborn gets set free and is greeted by an army of thousands upon thousands of followers.


Oh so it was Osborn's return to power.

I'm trying to think of something it could have been that I would have cared less about, but I can't.

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KimPilgrim
09/28/11 11:39:00 PM
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From: the icon ownz all | #016
First issue in January, second in April. Nick should swap out Infinite for Astonishing.


Christ, at least Astonishing had the excuse of a 5 issue miniseries.

Though the last thing Nick Spencer needs to be doing is trying to make MORE deadlines.

EDIT: Which, I just realized, is probably why T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents Part 2 #1 is coming out on a 5th Wednesday, so Spencer doesn't necessarily have to keep a schedule!

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ZenOfThunder
09/28/11 11:40:00 PM
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*vague avengers spoilers*

it's like the most generic "osborn escapes" thing ever

turns out some guards were on his side and help him out

he also throws jessica jones at somebody, I forget who. then he literally just runs off and escapes.

there's also a bit at the beginning about HOW STINKY IS LUKE CAGE'S BABY

SHE'S STINKIER THAN ______

NO, SHE'S STINKIER THAN A ________

insert laugh track here

also more of spider-man going EYYYY VICTORIA HAND YOU WORKED FOR NORMAN OSBORN I DON'T TRUST YOU *point point point*

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KimPilgrim
09/28/11 11:41:00 PM
#20:


Is it bad that I've only read 4 issues of New Avengers and I still feel like I've heard that banter 5 times?

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RayDyn
09/28/11 11:42:00 PM
#21:


I just felt that Conner's art fit Power Girl better than Basri's initially. Doesn't mean I didn't like Basri's art, and once Winick figured out what he was doing, it fit better. I thoroughly enjoyed Power Girl Vol.2, and Power Girl made it into my top 5 comic book characters, that's not easy to do.

From: KimPilgrim | Posted: 9/29/2011 2:37:45 AM | #017
if you weren't reading Generations Lost they were probably lackluster.


I wouldn't say it was lackluster, but I was definitely lost as to wtf was going on at points until I read Generations Lost

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the icon ownz all
09/28/11 11:43:00 PM
#22:


I enjoyed nearly every Winick Power Girl issue, and I only read one issue of Generations Lost -- the one that directly tied-in to a PG book -- but Winick definitely took a few issues to get the right voice for PG. Maybe he felt a bit of pressure following up such a light-hearted, well-respected run. Nothing too distracting, just a forced joke here and there.


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KimPilgrim
09/28/11 11:46:00 PM
#23:


There was so much being set up for Power Girl by Winick.

Probably the #1 thing I'm disappointed in losing from the old DCU as far as currently running storylines were concerned. You had her new secret identity, her clone, the guy who knew who she was.

Now she's Mister Terrific's "colleague" and getting into racial arguments with black women at parties.

*sigh*

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RayDyn
09/28/11 11:48:00 PM
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From: KimPilgrim | Posted: 9/29/2011 2:46:11 AM | #023
Probably the #1 thing I'm disappointed in losing from the old DCU as far as currently running storylines were concerned. You had her new secret identity, her clone, the guy who knew who she was.

Now she's Mister Terrific's "colleague" and getting into racial arguments with black women at parties.

*sigh*


I'm a little more than disappointed about the loss and the change in this instance. I think I've made that clear before.

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KimPilgrim
09/28/11 11:51:00 PM
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Hey, who knows, maybe Mister T's super-science will somehow transform her into Power Girl again.

Maybe.

But knowing Wallace, I would say this has a bigger chance of happening:

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RayDyn
09/28/11 11:51:00 PM
#26:


Also, I am going on record to say that I hope to God that we get a Power Girl on going, but the fact that we still don't know what the status of Power Girl is, means I can only hope at this moment.

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the icon ownz all
09/28/11 11:52:00 PM
#27:


I'm really surprised that DC was able to launch 52 books without one Power Girl book. Does the world need two Legion books that aren't written by Mark Waid? What about Hawk and Dove? Grifter? Captain Atom?


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KimPilgrim
09/28/11 11:52:00 PM
#28:


Amanda Conner is currently working on 2 unknown mini-series for DC, one with Gray and Palmiotti.

Maybe one will be Power Girl.

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RayDyn
09/28/11 11:53:00 PM
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From: the icon ownz all | Posted: 9/29/2011 2:52:11 AM | #027
What about Hawk and Dove?


Are you suggesting that there doesn't need to be a Liefeld book?

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09/28/11 11:53:00 PM
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From: KimPilgrim | Posted: 9/29/2011 2:52:54 AM | #028
Amanda Conner is currently working on 2 unknown mini-series for DC, one with Gray and Palmiotti.

Maybe one will be Power Girl.


I f***ing hope so

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the icon ownz all
09/28/11 11:54:00 PM
#31:


put liefeld on detective

might as well have two trainwrecks at once


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09/28/11 11:54:00 PM
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From: the icon ownz all | Posted: 9/29/2011 2:54:10 AM | #031
put liefeld on detective

might as well have two trainwrecks at once


Brilliant!

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09/28/11 11:55:00 PM
#33:


From: the icon ownz all | #027
I'm really surprised that DC was able to launch 52 books without one Power Girl book. Does the world need two Legion books that aren't written by Mark Waid? What about Hawk and Dove? Grifter? Captain Atom?


Grifter has potential in trade, and I like that we have a Grifter book, but that first issue was...not good.

Can't say I disagree with the rest. Captain Atom becomes especially irrelevant with a Firestorm ongoing, especially with the implication in #1 that there are, like, a half dozen other Firestorms already flying around out there.

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KimPilgrim
09/28/11 11:57:00 PM
#34:


With Janin having just signed an exclusive, I imagine we're going to be seeing a lot more of him. His style really does not work for a filler artist, though, so I imagine we'll see him take over for arcs or working on new minis sometime soon.

I'm trying to think of books Janin can do the art for where it won't look weird besides JLD...and I'm not coming up with much. I guess more Dark books?

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the icon ownz all
09/29/11 3:08:00 AM
#35:


I'm disappointed in All Star Western. It might be introductory issue fatigue, it might be my reading of Northlanders Vol. 2 just prior, but Grey and Palmiotti made a mistake with the point of view character, Dr. Arkham, in this book. The second trade of Northlanders is a significant step down from the first, but one of the aspects Wood nailed was establishing the antagonist, Ragnar Ragnarsson, entirely through his clinical observations of his subject/rival. There's passion in Ragnar's letters to his King. Ragnar's motivation is clear, but not revealed directly through exposition. He's composed both in writing and stature, but when confronted with the savage killings of his rival, loses just a bit of that composure, and rather than taking up a splash page looking out upon the Irish vista with his chest out, he's hunched forward in a tiny panel on the bottom of the page under the cover of dead trees. He's alive. I don't get that in Arkham at all.

Maybe it's not introductory fatigue. I'm fine with inner monologues, observations, and the like when done well. Xanadu was great in JLD. She was appropriately eerie and pithy. Arkham, however, is so wooden, and interrupts at every opportunity. It slows the story down considerably. I'd say that All Star Western is exposition heavy, but that implies there was something to expose. Moritat was the bright spot in this issue at least. He's an effective, efficient storyteller. I'm confident that this issue could've been silent, and you would not miss out on anything important.

I'm still confident in this book. G&P are a solid team, the concept of the book has me intrigued, and I'm a sucker for secret societies. This is probably just a misstep.

ps yes i can and will compare every dc book to something brian wood wrote. birds of prey was okay but would be ten times better if zee hernandez was in it



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ShadowHalo17
09/29/11 3:54:00 AM
#36:


icon makes too many of these topics imo

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ShadowHalo17
09/29/11 7:45:00 AM
#37:


So hey, Spider-Island is getting good now. Venom vs Anti-Venom was pretty great (read Venom 7 for that too) and this last issue of ASM was pretty good.

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ZenOfThunder
09/29/11 8:03:00 AM
#38:


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lol mark ruffalo looks awful

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ShadowHalo17
09/29/11 8:13:00 AM
#39:


I just read a comic that had a separate Hawkeye and Black Widow story. And I'm thinking... why the hell can't I get a Black Widow comic with good art? Too often do I see her drawn with bad proportions or odd facial features, this one made her look like an old man at times. Ugh.

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09/29/11 8:41:00 AM
#40:


ZenOfThunder posted...
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lol mark ruffalo looks awful


jesus, everyone looks bad on that cover. it's like a bad photoshop.
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ZenOfThunder
09/29/11 8:45:00 AM
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yeah, I thought it was at first, but it was on Marvel's official Facebook

ruffalo is looking more and more like tommy wiseau every time I see it

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KimPilgrim
09/29/11 8:47:00 AM
#42:


Apparently DC has an official Kindle device now?

http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Color-Multi-touch-Display-Wi-Fi/dp/B0051VVOB2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1317311151&sr=8-1

Hm.

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ZenOfThunder
09/29/11 8:48:00 AM
#43:


I heard about the Kindle Fire, but I didn't know DC was on board with it

also I heard the original kindle is now only $79, gotta see if it's possible to put comics on that

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ShadowHalo17
09/29/11 8:54:00 AM
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From: colliding | #040
jesus, everyone looks bad on that cover. it's like a bad photoshop.


Black Widow Johansson never looks bad.

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ShadowHalo17
09/29/11 10:00:00 AM
#45:


I have noticed a severe lack of Dustin Nguyen lately.

That needs to be fixed tbqh.

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09/29/11 10:03:00 AM
#46:


Oh dang it I dropped a link.

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Quick! Somebody catch it before it rolls into the river!

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the icon ownz all
09/29/11 10:19:00 AM
#47:


best part of dark knight:
"I heard your speech tonight, Mr. Wayne. Thought a man of your stature could afford better writers."


too true.


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09/29/11 10:21:00 AM
#48:


From: the icon ownz all | #047
best part of dark knight:
"I heard your speech tonight, Mr. Wayne. Thought a man of your stature could afford better writers."


too true.


Ha, nice.

We have Snyder though, so that's something.

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09/29/11 11:17:00 AM
#49:


http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2011/09/28/2011-top-marvel-characters-4/

Logan behind Thor!? that new movie must be working wonders for him. At any rate, Wolverine was just outside the Top 5 back in 2007, so with the increase in voter turnout he seems to get more votes. Plus, he's had some awesome recent comics like Jason Aaron's run(the latest issue was GREAT) and Uncanny X-Force, and he now he's got this awesome new series coming out in October, a new movie, etc.

i think Wolverine was #2 on my list. i first started to love him like all the other kids back in the day, watching the cartoon and seeing him be awesome. He's Clint Eastwood, if Clint Eastwood was ALSO a ninja badass. Impossibly manly, but still a very human character at his core, like the best Marvel characters. Something we all experience and identify with. He’s a drunk and a killer. He’s anti-social. He has anger management issues. He struggles daily with the mistakes of his past. His relationships make him a sympathetic character. His sulking over Jean and Scott, his tenderness with Mariko, Jubilee, and Kitty, his drinking buddy Nightcrawler, and fatherly sternness with Amiko all create an picture of a man who loves and is loved.

He is the classless biker with the soul of a Samurai. He is the unforgiving killer and the protective patriarch figure. He is insanity and often the voice of reason. he's the best at what he does, even if its not very nice.

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09/29/11 11:28:00 AM
#50:


http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2011/09/29/2011-top-dc-characters-3-1/

damn, Superman wasn't even close to Batman >_>

Also, lol @ half of the top 10 being Batman characters, 3 of them in the top 5.

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