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10/04/11 4:08:00 PM
#301:


From: ShadowHalo17 | #296
http://www.heavyeggs.com/article/view/marvel-s-plan-after-avengers

Next five Marvel movies.

GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY!

And Inhumans too!

Where's Captain America 2 though?


these are the five movies marvel has scripts for, not the next 5 movies marvel will make. plans for captain america haven't been finalized as marvel is working on securing their 2013 summer movies, meaning cap will be 2014 with (likely) a new marvel project

and hopefully that project is this:

Ant-Man: Feige said that the film is definitely in the works and that EDGAR WRIGHT (Shaun of the Dead) has "developed an excellent draft recently." However, the movie has yet to be greenlit.

(my emphasis)


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10/04/11 5:05:00 PM
#302:


thought i'd do a comparison between the books i'm buying from dc 12 months ago, 6 months ago (just prior to flashpoint) and this coming month. DC singles only, no Vertigo books or trades.

October 2010

Green Lantern, Batman: The Return, Knight & Squire, Action Comics, Power Girl, Secret Six, Zatanna
Total books: 7

Really weak month. A lot of Batman tie-ins and other one-shots that I had zero interest in. Looks like there were a number of books missing from this month to make way.

April 2011

Green Lantern, Green Lantern Corps, Green Lantern: Emerald Warrior, Action Comics, Batman Inc, Detective Comics, Batman & Robin, Batgirl, Power Girl, Secret Six, THUNDER Agents, Xombi, Zatanna,
Total books: 13

That looks better. April was boosted by two Green Lantern titles I previously had no interest in but now were tied into a pretty decent event (War of the Green Lanterns), Snyder had landed on Detective while the rest of the Batbooks returned to form, and Xombi. Xombi was great.

October 2011

Batwoman, Action Comics, Batman, Wonder Woman, Animal Man, Frankenstein, Demon Knights, I Vampire, The Flash, OMAC, Men of War, Superman, Supergirl, Batgirl, All Star Western, JLD, Green Lantern
Total books: 17

I could easily drop a few of these (Superman, Batgirl, All Star Western) but I'm both hopeful about the future and curious to see where they go. I'm buying slightly more than I was pre-reboot, but I'm more critical of DC now than ever. The reboot feels like it was successful for the first month in spite of itself. Rather than use this opportunity to bring in new readers, DC is satisfied with a temporary boost of sales due to curiosity and catering to the typical comic fan. They're not trying anything new. They're not using this opportunity to bring in enough fresh faces. The best books were often written by those new to either comics or DC (Lemire, Snyder, Fialkov, Cornell) while the worst had children of the 90s (Lobdell, Lee, Liefeld) behind them. There's little diversity in the comics, and even less in the creative teams behind the books.

DC wants to create a larger shared universe than they've ever had before, and I think that's a good idea, but what about the extended DCU? There's a Young Justice TV show that's apparently pretty popular, so why isn't there a Young Justice comic? Why is there no attempt to lure female readers? 25% of comic readers are women, so why is there only 1 writer? I understand that DC may not have received many (if any) good pitches from female writers, and that there are apparently a few writers with books in the works, but if this reboot is something DC has thought of for several years, they must have had someone beyond Gail Simone with an interesting story to tell.

DC are never going to have the hype and attention they've had for the last month again, and I don't think they're going to be as successful as they had hoped.


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KimPilgrim
10/04/11 5:48:00 PM
#303:


while the worst had children of the 90s (Lobdell, Lee

I can't think of any bad books these people are currently working on!

/opinions

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10/04/11 6:37:00 PM
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ShadowHalo17
10/04/11 6:44:00 PM
#305:


F*** yeah.

Btw I forgot to ask, that wallpaper, you made that right?

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ZenOfThunder
10/04/11 6:47:00 PM
#306:


yeah I did make that

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ShadowHalo17
10/04/11 6:50:00 PM
#307:


Any special tricks you used? Or did you just place a bunch of her rendered pictures together and blend them in?

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ZenOfThunder
10/04/11 6:56:00 PM
#308:


yeah basically just blended them and used the eraser tool in case something was in there I didn't like

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Psycho_Kenshin
10/04/11 7:23:00 PM
#309:


external image

I'd just like to point out Superman is a really sketchy perv. Also we need Power Girl back, and Mister Terrific needs to be less bad.

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Princess Anri
10/04/11 7:27:00 PM
#310:


Is that Camel Girl?

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ShadowHalo17
10/04/11 8:17:00 PM
#311:


From: Princess Anri | #310
Is that Camel Girl?


I don't get it.

Power Girl does not resemble a camel at all.

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RayDyn
10/04/11 8:24:00 PM
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From: Princess Anri | Posted: 10/4/2011 10:27:38 PM | #310
Is that Camel Girl?


That's a seam in her costume, you f***ing perv.


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ZenOfThunder
10/04/11 8:27:00 PM
#313:


ahhh cap says "I thought I taught you better than that, Clint" when he beats hawkeye in umvc3

ahhhhh nerdgasm

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ShadowHalo17
10/04/11 8:37:00 PM
#314:


From: ZenOfThunder | #313
ahhh cap says "I thought I taught you better than that, Clint" when he beats hawkeye in umvc3

ahhhhh nerdgasm


Super sweet, is there a video of it?

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ShadowHalo17
10/04/11 8:39:00 PM
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From: RayDyn | #312
That's a seam in her costume, you f***ing perv.


Oh.

THAT'S what he meant.

I am slooooooooooooooow.

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Princess Anri
10/04/11 8:42:00 PM
#316:


Camel Seam Girl.

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RayDyn
10/04/11 8:44:00 PM
#317:


From: ShadowHalo17 | Posted: 10/4/2011 11:39:17 PM | #315
Oh.

THAT'S what he meant.

I am slooooooooooooooow.


I actually had to go back and look at the picture to see what he was talking about since it registered as exactly what I said it was.

From: Psycho_Kenshin | Posted: 10/4/2011 10:23:50 PM | #309
Also we need Power Girl back, and Mister Terrific needs to be less bad.


Also, I fully agree with this.

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ZenOfThunder
10/04/11 9:06:00 PM
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no video of it, watching a live feed of gameplay

http://www.twitch.tv/iplaywinner

the new characters are DESTROYING. and cap got a huge buff, he is tearing s*** up

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KimPilgrim
10/04/11 9:56:00 PM
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ZenOfThunder
10/04/11 10:01:00 PM
#320:


ANOTHER villain?

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HeroDelTiempo17
10/04/11 10:01:00 PM
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At this rate they're going to run out of decent villains for a potential third game.

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10/04/11 10:36:00 PM
#322:


creepy rabbit masks what is this bioshock

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ShadowHalo17
10/05/11 6:29:00 AM
#323:


http://thefiretonight.tumblr.com/post/11014351661/so-i-had-a-small-chat-with-scott-lobdell-tonight

Kory was definitely being evasive/sarcastic because she did NOT want to talk about her past with them and issues that will come up later in the series. She does not have a memory of ‘a goldfish’ as some people have been saying ‘round the ‘net.

Also, Jason was lying to Roy about certain implications he made in the first issue to Roy about Kory. I won’t say what exactly because I don’t want to spoil the next issue, especially since it’s not out yet.


Ha. Knew it.

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KimPilgrim
10/05/11 6:52:00 AM
#324:


Yeah read that earlier. The part about Lobdell getting visibly upset really took me by surprise. Can't imagine this is easy for him, people being such dicks about it.

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TVontheRadio
10/05/11 6:56:00 AM
#325:


doesn't change the fact how sexist that first issue was with its portrayal of Starfire in both story and art!

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KimPilgrim
10/05/11 6:58:00 AM
#326:


If that's the way you want to look at it.

I'll keep going with the story and see how it turns out.

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TVontheRadio
10/05/11 7:03:00 AM
#327:


From: KimPilgrim | #326
If that's the way you want to look at it.


what is not registering about Starfire serving no purpose but to blow things up, screw with Jason and Roy, and get ogled by both the male characters in the comic and the readers it was catering to in that issue

maybe lobdell can salvage it by actually building some semblance of character to Kory in the next couple of issues but you just cannot deny how demeaning that depiction was in that first issue with her cardboard character and all the fanservice shots!

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Psycho_Kenshin
10/05/11 7:09:00 AM
#328:


I will say, the writing well that's especially subjective, but to me there's nothing sexist about the art. Sexual, yes, but no drawing a good looking girl in a bikini is not sexist. The reason you personally find it sexist has to do with the character and writing, which does not involve the art.

But long story short, this topic has been beaten into the ground for weeks, why do you need people to agree and feel they "can't deny" your take on it? Voice your opinion sure.

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KimPilgrim
10/05/11 7:10:00 AM
#329:


Except the point is that that WASN'T the only purpose that she was serving, there's an overall storyline here that's going to explain her reasoning and past issues.

This is why I've stated many times that judging anything by a single issue is absurd if it's part of a story arc. You're saying that all that's important is THIS issue, I say nobody should look to deeply into ONE issue of a story arc, especially one that's likely to have so many twists.

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KimPilgrim
10/05/11 7:11:00 AM
#330:


From: Psycho_Kenshin | #328
But long story short, this topic has been beaten into the ground for weeks, why do you need people to agree and feel they "can't deny" your take on it? Voice your opinion sure.


Well said. We should let the story play out and speak for itself. People getting way to upset over this.

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TVontheRadio
10/05/11 7:22:00 AM
#331:


From: Psycho_Kenshin | #328
I will say, the writing well that's especially subjective, but to me there's nothing sexist about the art. Sexual, yes, but no drawing a good looking girl in a bikini is not sexist. The reason you personally find it sexist has to do with the character and writing, which does not involve the art.


it's not that she was drawn in a very revealing bikini! it's that the entire issue she's always in these incredibly suggestive poses or showing her "assets" further highlighting her SEXINESS just to titillate the readers!

it's all there!

but ok, let's see what happens in the next issue!

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KimPilgrim
10/05/11 7:31:00 AM
#332:


Rocafort drew Madame Mirage the same way for Paul Dini but with more clothes. And Velocity in her mini with Ron Marz, and she had a skin tight suit. Do you takes issue with that? That's how Rocafort draws all women, it always has been, it would be the same if this were a Gail Simone book.

EDIT: Well, ALL women is exaggerating. There was Essence in this very issue, after all.

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ShadowHalo17
10/05/11 7:32:00 AM
#333:


From: TVontheRadio | #331
it's not that she was drawn in a very revealing bikini! it's that the entire issue she's always in these incredibly suggestive poses or showing her "assets" further highlighting her SEXINESS just to titillate the readers!


This has been exactly Starfire's role since 52, it's not a new occurrence.

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KimPilgrim
10/05/11 7:34:00 AM
#334:


Technically it's been Starfire's roll since day 1.

The controversy of her first appearance being in bed with Dick had people blowing up way more than this.

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KamikazePotato
10/05/11 7:35:00 AM
#335:


I don't really want to get into this whole debate, but I'd like to point out that just because something has 'always been this way' doesn't make it good or the right thing to do. If women are being objectified in one comic, instead of going "Well it's that way in everything!", maybe they should, uh, stop it altogether?

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saveus_Maria
10/05/11 7:35:00 AM
#336:


woo just got back

not sure if I'm going to read anything now or wait till after I finish all my classes and read a bunch of stuff later

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KimPilgrim
10/05/11 7:37:00 AM
#337:


From: KamikazePotato | #335
I don't really want to get into this whole debate, but I'd like to point out that just because something has 'always been this way' doesn't make it good or the right thing to do. If women are being objectified in one comic, instead of going "Well it's that way in everything!", maybe they should, uh, stop it altogether?


This is not something I disagree with. I do take issue with people thinking this is suddenly a new thing and pretending the old Starfire was the same as cartoon Starfire, though.

From: saveus_Maria | #336
woo just got back

not sure if I'm going to read anything now or wait till after I finish all my classes and read a bunch of stuff later


I don't know what it is, but I heard AC #2 might be a bit controversial! Check that **** out.

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saveus_Maria
10/05/11 7:40:00 AM
#338:


is it another fiasco like people getting upset because they think Superman said "GD"

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KimPilgrim
10/05/11 7:42:00 AM
#339:


Something about Moses.

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TVontheRadio
10/05/11 7:47:00 AM
#340:


From: KimPilgrim | #332
Rocafort drew Madame Mirage the same way for Paul Dini but with more clothes. And Velocity in her mini with Ron Marz, and she had a skin tight suit. Do you takes issue with that? That's how Rocafort draws all women, it always has been, it would be the same if this were a Gail Simone book.

EDIT: Well, ALL women is exaggerating. There was Essence in this very issue, after all.


really? that is kind of sad then because i actually think his style is pretty good

yeah, i do take issue with that

and i think Gail Simone would have the integrity to tell him to tone down the SEXINESS

of course, i don't think Gail Simone would have written it in such a way that would put Starfire in that position in the first place!

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saveus_Maria
10/05/11 7:48:00 AM
#341:


I just read it and didn't see anything about Moses

unless I'm totally blind?

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KimPilgrim
10/05/11 7:48:00 AM
#342:


yeah, i do take issue with that

Oh, well, if that's how you feel then that's fine.

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KimPilgrim
10/05/11 7:49:00 AM
#343:


From: saveus_Maria | #341
I just read it and didn't see anything about Moses

unless I'm totally blind?


I haven't read it, just saw the title of this article. Here's the link, don't tell me what it says <_<.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/10/05/kal-el-as-moses-in-action-comics-2/

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saveus_Maria
10/05/11 7:51:00 AM
#344:


oh, I see

yeah it's basically nothing

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KimPilgrim
10/05/11 7:53:00 AM
#345:


That's what I figured.

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Psycho_Kenshin
10/05/11 8:14:00 AM
#346:


TVontheRadio posted...
Gail Simone would have the integrity to tell him to tone down the SEXINESS

If Gail wrote it, we probably would've seen Starfire's boobs get groped at least twice, and there would've been six more boob jokes/references to boobs. Gail doesn't turn down the sexiness, kind of the opposite.

Also, sexiness does not equal sexism. Yes, a book with male protagonists for a largely male audience will show the sexual attractiveness of the female interest. There's nothing about that which is sexist. Girls get twilight, and shoujo manga, etc with dreamy dudes. I've enjoyed some stories where the males are the sex interests for the female audience. It's all good. Nothing sexist about sexuality.

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10/05/11 8:30:00 AM
#347:


From: Psycho_Kenshin | #346
If Gail wrote it, we probably would've seen Starfire's boobs get groped at least twice, and there would've been six more boob jokes/references to boobs. Gail doesn't turn down the sexiness, kind of the opposite.

Also, sexiness does not equal sexism. Yes, a book with male protagonists for a largely male audience will show the sexual attractiveness of the female interest. There's nothing about that which is sexist. Girls get twilight, and shoujo manga, etc with dreamy dudes. I've enjoyed some stories where the males are the sex interests for the female audience. It's all good. Nothing sexist about sexuality.


i should have put quotation marks around SEXINESS but i thought capitalizing all the letters would've been clear enough to show that it's the silly kind of "sexuality" that you think is A OK!

yes, Gail Simone has written stories with lots of sexual reference and displays of sexuality but the difference is it does not solely define the characters she writes since they're fleshed out in other ways! Starfire blew up things and f***ed Jason and Roy with no emotional connection and was drooled over by dudes

but as i've said, we'll see if she actually develops into something more in the following issues!

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ShadowHalo17
10/05/11 8:35:00 AM
#348:


Action Comics #2 - 5/5

Fantastic issue. But of course it's Morrison, so that's to be expected.

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saveus_Maria
10/05/11 8:37:00 AM
#349:


just finished JLI #2 as well, saving the rest for tonight

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KimPilgrim
10/05/11 9:18:00 AM
#350:


Starfire blew up things and f***ed Jason and Roy with no emotional connection and was drooled over by dudes

Lobdell clearly stated Jason was lying.

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