Board 8 > Most Powerful Fictional Character 2011: Yuki Nagato vs. Gurren Lagann [MPFC]

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Oh and Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

Edit cause it bolded the whole sentence lmao

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From: Natwaf_akidna | #043
Oh, yeah, STTGL's size is a good point. Yuki could manipulate yeah, but she still takes time (even though it just takes a few seconds), but that's enough for STTGL to accidentally step on the galaxy, and her.everything.

Not even that. The simple motion of walking could destabilize everything, without even having to actually touch her.

From: Wanglicious | #015
don't compare Yuki to the Host. ever.

Also, returning to this for a second since I know Wang was really salty about it: the Host and Yuki have even more in common than you think. Both of them try to appease a mighty being (Haruhi in Yuki's case by overloading the world with fun, the Audience in the Host's case by spinning a tale of action, intrigue, drama, romance, sex and violence...AKA the same thing but less PG-13 because the gory stuff kills people), both of them even pull off the same or very similar stunts...really, the only differences are their characterization and power levels: the Host borrows from clown archetypes (sad clown, monster clown, happy clown, ringmaster, unfunny outside the job), while Yuki does the emotionless girl schtick (android, no feelings, committed to duty, blah blah blah). That's pretty much it. Ultra-powerful beings share very similar basic motivations to make them relatable.

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Also, I don't remember AS giving up with his Anti Drill Break, he was surprised that they kept going after destroying their mechas succesively, and then proceeded to destroy his drill.

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....except that's not really what yuki's doing.
but not getting into that because you should go know the material since it's good in the first place.

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From: Wanglicious | #054
....except that's not really what yuki's doing.
but not getting into that because you should go know the material since it's good in the first place.

I'm allowed to make generalizations when I want to avoid spoilers. <_<

Though I stand by the fact that superpowerful beings do share very similar characteristics. It isn't a coincidence that they have multiple things in common. power of such insane magnitude alienates the characters who have it from the audience. Their motives become more and more inscrutable and appealing to distilled concepts becomes necessary to anchor them to something the audience can hate/love. It's kind of like how Superman has to be made to jump through hoops most of the time so that he isn't a boring invincible hero, though different because the setup doesn't have as much in common.

EDIT: Also, I intended to read up on Yuki for this, but then lolRL came up. Doing research like I did for Red and the specific instances of power use I had prepared for Yuki just in case nobody talked is all I can do right now. :-/

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Forgot to vote.

STTGL

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don't do 'research,' actually watch the anime and/or read the books. both are quite good. ...well the first season of the anime and the...6 or so episodes of the 2nd season. the movie afterwards works well too. anime's really not your forte at all - you already proved this by pretty much not knowing how Homura's powers worked.

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Gurren Lagann!

From: Wanglicious | #057
don't do 'research,' actually watch the anime and/or read the books. both are quite good. ...well the first season of the anime and the...6 or so episodes of the 2nd season. the movie afterwards works well too. anime's really not your forte at all - you already proved this by pretty much not knowing how Homura's powers worked.

Nice cherrypicking, but sure, whatever. I don't have the opportunity to do this in any case but I'll keep it in mind (kind of prefer books to TV in any case so it's good to know the anime goes downhill).

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IIRC, there's some Light Novel translations out.

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KanzarisKelshen posted...
From: Wanglicious | #057
don't do 'research,' actually watch the anime and/or read the books. both are quite good. ...well the first season of the anime and the...6 or so episodes of the 2nd season. the movie afterwards works well too. anime's really not your forte at all - you already proved this by pretty much not knowing how Homura's powers worked.
Nice cherrypicking, but sure, whatever. I don't have the opportunity to do this in any case but I'll keep it in mind (kind of prefer books to TV in any case so it's good to know the anime goes downhill).

It doesn't, it's a big lie. Don't listen to him!

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Ahh Endless Eight.

How I loathe it >_>

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well i'm sure there are others, but that one was probably the most blatant one. and it doesn't really go 'downhill,' the movie's after the 2nd season. it's just that 2nd season plagued with one hell of a trolling activity.

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Are we even sure TTGL's size can be taken at face value? I mean, it's definitely huge, but there's evidence to suggest it's not quite as huge as one would think. Consider that the fight takes place in an artificial reality created by the anti-spiral. The "galaxies" used for size comparison aren't necessarily guaranteed to correlate to our own. And there is some ground to say that they don't.

The first thing to come to mind come from a bit earlier, when the Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann was fighting. That thing is established as being the size of the moon, in that it was disguised as such for a while. However, during the fight, one of the anti-spiral ships throws "planets" at it, which are much smaller than it is. That planets in the Anti-Spiral universe would be smaller than the moon in ours suggests a size discrepancy.

More notable, however, it something from the last battle.

That's the Anti-Spiral mech, which is the same size as TTGL. That ball in its head is the Anti-Spiral homeworld. In order for that mech to be galaxy sized, that planet would have to be much, much, much bigger than a planet ever would be. On a scale that really is quite hard to describe.

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Isn't that ball thing mostly protective covering? When Yoko sniped it the gray part blew off and showed the real planet inside.

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Let's for a minute say that the "accidental" galaxy destruction is a viable method of attack. Because quite frankly it isn't even close to my main point of contention.

First, consider that for normal sized people, in most cases, an opponent has to aim for his opponent and close whatever distance with his attack at minimum to win. Let's say that at a maximum this distance would perhaps be 1.000 feet.

Now, let's say that STTGL is 1 billion light years tall (I really don't feel like doing the math to come up with an accurate number). Now assuming that we have to have a clear start to the battle, STTGL has to start about at least an arm span (0.5 billion light years) to prevent destruction of the galaxy before the fight even begins. Well, it still has to close that gap. And even though it can swing his arm (or drill) at speeds to close that gap in the same timeframe your average giant robot can launch an attack the length of his armspan, it still takes the same amount of time to actually launch said attack.

In other words, distance is linearly proportional to speed, and SSTGL still has cover a distance relative to its own size.

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Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann was fighting. That thing is established as being the size of the moon

I think your talking about a different gurren lagann form (though you could be right looking it up)

Though I don't think that argument holds much merit consider how Gurren Lagann sizes jump.


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the most obvious thing about the sizes being wonky is when he tries to mess with earth. really, trying to apply anything to a real-world aspect from that scene doesn't work, was never meant to work, and was just one of those 'this is cool now sit down, shut up, and stop thinking.'

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Natwaf_akidna posted...
Isn't that ball thing mostly protective covering? When Yoko sniped it the gray part blew off and showed the real planet inside.

Not really.



There's some coating, but the difference isn't near as much as there would have to be to make a difference here.

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considering yuki's physical body doesn't really matter i'm still not sure why that even came up in the first place.

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considering yuki's physical body doesn't really matter i'm still not sure why that even came up in the first place.


Again not a haruhi expert but I see Yuki like Legion from Mass Effect

If you kill the body he just goes "lol sending data to nearest port" but its still destroyed so yeah.

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Yuki

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Having said all I've said, I'm gonna vote for:

SSTGL

I choose to assume Yuki would be able to gather the info necessary to rewrite history or win by any other method, namely that her abilities to synchronize information across time still applies. However, this process still takes up some amount of time on its own. Not much, but I think it's enough for SSTGL to win. Without the synchronization I don't think she can "brute force" her way out of this, and even the whole freezing people thing I would believe still relies on knowing where they are (I doubt it can be applied like an AoE).

(But trying to justify FTL as relevant to attack speed for a being much larger than a light year is still wrong.)

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Yuki

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(But trying to justify FTL as relevant to attack speed for a being much larger than a light year is still wrong.)


Meh STTGL screws the laws of physics (and everything else really) anyway so whatever lol

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Yuki that's my truth in this...

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Yuki

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Eh, gonna vote for STTGL.

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STTGL is simply too grand of an existence.

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Nagato Yuki

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Yuki

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From: Team Rocket Elite | #011
She doesn't freeze STTGL, she targets the pilots so they aren't able to operate STTGL anymore. Also to be clear by freezing I don't mean it's ice based or anything like that. I mean the pilots just find themselves no longer able to move. As far as I know, STTGL has physical controls that need to be operated for it to work.

Have you watched TTGL?

The pilots of TTGL were thrown into alternate dimensions to prevent them from piloting TTGL. They broke out of that. Something as simple as paralyzation won't stop them.

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The pilots of TTGL were thrown into alternate dimensions to prevent them from piloting TTGL. They broke out of that. Something as simple as paralyzation won't stop them.

That's specifically because of how the mini-universe works. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if the pilots could indeed break free from it.

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Yuki's writeup says that she has managed to exist outside the space-time continuum.
- How exactly does that work? Is it something she would likely do in a combat situation?
- From what I understand, STTGL is pretty much limited to physical attacks (Giga Drill Breaker and the like). It has no way of attacking outside the space-time continuum or forcing her to manifest within the space-time continuum. Is this right?


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- From what I understand, STTGL is pretty much limited to physical attacks (Giga Drill Breaker and the like). It has no way of attacking outside the space-time continuum or forcing her to manifest within the space-time continuum. Is this right?


In the movie I believe Arc Gurren Lagann punched a mugann to the other end of the space time continuum...

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Punching things within the space-time continuum doesn't mean he has any way of accessing a being outside.


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the impact literally made a hole in the fabric of space time technically granting access wouldn't it. GL brute force is that crazy. Also consider that was one of the weaker forms of GL.

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Oh. I guess if it can punch a hole in the fabric of space-time it can probably go outside. Provided that it can figure out that's where Yuki is. (And provided that Yuki would resort to that in a combat situation anyway.) Intelligence did not seem to be the GL crew's strong suit, from the 8-ish episodes I watched.


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Oh. I guess if it can punch a hole in the fabric of space-time it can probably go outside. Provided that it can figure out that's where Yuki is. (And provided that Yuki would resort to that in a combat situation anyway.) Intelligence did not seem to be the GL crew's strong suit, from the 8-ish episodes I watched.



If we were going by that they are bound to find Yuki considering they were able to find Nia. GL is all about screwing the rules / making all universal laws and other universe laws / probability / time / space (basically everything) their *****.

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I'm not sure what it means that Yuki exists outside space-time anyway. I wasn't aware she had somehow stolen Reimu's Fantasy Heaven.

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also tbh I don't think her "reset the universe" hax would even work on the pilots either.

Has she demonstrated multiverse hax (hacking other universes etc) I mean I remember her not being able to hax Haruhi at all due to her being in a "closed space" or something at one point. The space within STTGL is essentially another universe (a spiral universe or something according to the creators of GL)

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I'm not sure, but she was able to break into Asakura's territory while it was sealed off.

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GL is all about screwing the rules / making all universal laws and other universe laws / probability / time / space (basically everything) their *****.

Which is what makes STTGL such an annoying MPFC entrant.

"What if she immobilizes the pilots?"
"SPIRAL ENERGY"
"What if she rewrites reality so they no longer exist?"
"SPIRAL ENERGY"
"Well, how will they attack her if she's not present in the space-time continuum?"
"SPIRAL ENERGY"
"How will they know she's outside the space-time continuum?"
"SPIRAL ENERGY"

And yet it's hard to fault you for this, when (to my understanding) that's basically how it works in the anime.

Also it's not that Yuki is much better on the annoyance scale.


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Asakura? (sorry again I am no expert on haruhi chars)

oh nvm thats the other computer interface girl right?

Wasn't she also in the closed space with her or something (I don't know going by from what I vaguely remember from some of the anime scenes)

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Wasn't she also in the closed space with her or something (I don't know going by from what I vaguely remember from some of the anime scenes)

No, she busted in from the outside.

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No, she busted in from the outside.


So she could manage to break her way into that girl's CS but couldn't get into Haruhis?

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also isn't Yuki limited in some areas (something about data zones or something) just going by wiki.

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So she could manage to break her way into that girl's CS but couldn't get into Haruhis?

It's not the same concept. The closed space that Haruhi was creating at the point that Yuki was unable to interfere was the basis for a new universe. Asakura doesn't do the same thing at all. So that's why I was saying it was an iffy example.

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