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(2) Yuki Nagato From The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Yuki Nagato is an emotionless artificial lifeform with tremendous powers. As a Data Entity, she exhibits the ability of Data Control, which functions as a potent brand of reality warping. Among the abilities she exhibits, she has managed to exist outside the space-time continuum, rewrite her universe, and strip the sleeping god Haruhi of her powers. Perhaps even more notable than her Data Entity abilities is Nagato's intellect, which is developed almost beyond mortal comprehension. She has previously understood the rules and concepts of a game instantaneously, created flawless strategies based on her observations and was able to learn how to play a guitar mere moments after receiving one, as well as possessing knowledge of the future thanks to the existence of her future selves feeding her information.
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(7) Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann From Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is the largest and most powerful form of the titular mecha. STTGL is powered by Spiral Energy, which runs directly on the pilots' willpower (and given that the pilots are all incredibly determined, the amount of Spiral Energy in STTGL is immeasurable). The mecha is comprised of all the prior forms of Gurren Lagann, with Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann at its head.
STTGL's main attack is the Giga Drill Breaker, which creates a drill at least ten times as large as the mecha from its right fist; when this drill collided with the Anti-Spiral's attack, it collapsed the dimension they were fighting in. It also presumably has access to everything its prior forms could do, including sword and rifle-based attacks powered by Spiral Energy. STTGL is impossibly large, apparently over a hundred times larger than its prior form, which is 10 million light years in height (roughly 100 times the size of the Milky Way Galaxy).
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All I gotta say is, what a match, ladies and gentlemen, what a match. Let me go over the characters right quicklike:
Yuki Showings:
-Yuki is pretty much The Host lite. There's a stronger being in her universe and some of her feats are questionable, but she exhibits very similar abilities to him otherwise, sans the metafictional powers and dealing directly with concepts. -Her future selves informing her is debatable - depending on your opinion of MPFC neutrality the future selves do not exist in this continuity, stripping her of her nigh/total omniscience. This isn't a showing, but it bears clearing up so nobody makes odd assumptions. -She has stopped time before. Nothing more need be said here.
STTGL Showings:
-Has achieved literally impossible things before. The more hot-blooded the pilots get the stronger the Lagann becomes. The famous song Libera Me From Hell isn't exaggerating when it says "touch the untouchable, see the invisible". With enough willpower STTGL can do that. -Has grown to the colossal size outlined above. There's no reason to believe it couldn't get bigger, either. -Defeated the Anti-Spiral by overwhelming it with fighting spirit. He forfeited, but only due to fear of what might happen if he and the STTGL kept fighting. STTGL is presumably slightly weaker, but still powerful beyond measure. -EDIT: Super Giga Drill Breaker in action. A showing of power for STTGL:
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-Defeated the Anti-Spiral by overwhelming it with fighting spirit. He forfeited, but only due to fear of what might happen if he and the STTGL kept fighting. STTGL is presumably slightly weaker, but still powerful beyond measure.
If you want to be technical Regular Gurren Lagann stopped the same Anti Spiral Giga Drill just saying.
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From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #005 Defeated the Anti-Spiral by overwhelming it with fighting spirit.
Waaaait a minute. Did they change this in the movies? Cause Series TTGL clearly lost
See the immediately following part. Unless my memory is faulty the Anti Spiral was stronger, but gave up.
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Waaaait a minute. Did they change this in the movies? Cause Series TTGL clearly lost
In the movie TTGL gets wrecked then turns into multiple mini TTGL sized versions of the regular mechs (meaning Lagann was huuuge compared to its regular size) + new ones. They start going nuts and AS fires a more accurate depiction of Infinity Big Bang Storm at them.
Then same stuff happens and then they go STTGL. AS responds by instantly becoming STTGL size (lol fight on your level but better hax). Beats STTGL in a giga drill off but then when he drills down to regular gurren lagann GL beats his AS Giga Drill.
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The pilots of STTGL are human. Asakura was able to use her power to freeze people in place so the more powerful Yuki should be able to as well. At the very least Yuki was able to counter Asakura's ability to do that. Yuki could just paralyze the STTGL pilots and it's her win from there.
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The pilots of STTGL are human. Asakura was able to use her power to freeze people in place so the more powerful Yuki should be able to as well. At the very least Yuki was able to counter Asakura's ability to do that. Yuki could just paralyze the STTGL pilots and it's her win from there.
"We will break through time and space and decide our own path"
Yeah its not going to work. Besides TTGL withstood the heat of the freaking big bang how is freezing going to fare?
MORE EDIT: Oh to add on to this within TTGL the pilots recognition become reality so yeah
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She doesn't freeze STTGL, she targets the pilots so they aren't able to operate STTGL anymore. Also to be clear by freezing I don't mean it's ice based or anything like that. I mean the pilots just find themselves no longer able to move. As far as I know, STTGL has physical controls that need to be operated for it to work.
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and Yuki pretty easily. pretty crappy matchup for GL. trying to brute force her ain't gonna work, and in terms of manipuation of... anything but size really, she's got it beat hard. far more likely it ends up losing its ability to hold spiral energy and so do the people piloting it. if she could steal haruhi's powers, not much reason to believe she can't simply steal the mech's connection to spiral energy or the pilots' either. and it ain't like something that big or as much of an error to the universe to her wouldn't get immediately all data related to it hacked to high hell.
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From: Wanglicious | #015 don't compare Yuki to the Host. ever.
and Yuki pretty easily. pretty crappy matchup for GL. trying to brute force her ain't gonna work, and in terms of manipuation of... anything but size really, she's got it beat hard. far more likely it ends up losing its ability to hold spiral energy and so do the people piloting it. if she could steal haruhi's powers, not much reason to believe she can't simply steal the mech's connection to spiral energy or the pilots' either. and it ain't like something that big or as much of an error to the universe to her wouldn't get immediately all data related to it hacked to high hell.
She has very similar powers, don't try to deny it or take it like an insult because it just makes you look dumb. He can just cut strings and doesn't have a bigger fish in his universe, and those are about the only important differences.
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Also doesn't Yuki show restraint. I am no haruhi expert just looked at her wiki but didn't it say when Haruhi asked her to use some magic attack she goes "Umm no..."
Plus didn't she say herself that she can't create things from nothing? Gurren Lagann can
also mentioned something about her attacks / moves having a queue of sorts?
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only reason she ever has restraint is to prevent the eventual side effects things have, such as nature's effects, or to keep her identity secret. not a problem here. different setting allows no reason to show restraint, and GL'd be the walking definition of 'and this does not belong' based on both its size and powers. if anything she'd data hack it as quickly as possible to prevent it from getting out of control. GL's main asset is it does good brute force. but it's not that good to any high level warper. it's got a pretty crappy bag of tricks, all of which is pretty much in her bag too anyway. 'cept hers also ends up being a hell of a lot better.
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Wouldn't STTGL basically just have to...yknow. MOVE and that would be it (since she is human sized) Would she even be able to tell she was standing face to face with basically a "bigger than the universe" being (probably but still)
I mean arguments I have looked up + wiki says she goes FTL
STTGL is WAAAYYY faster than FTL
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Can Yuki just rewrite reality so that Simon never even finds Gurren Lagann? Or do MPFC rules forbid this sort of thing?
1. I think that would be prohibited (though it is up to Kan its his MPFC) 2. Would she even know about spiral power or simon finding the core drill is she omniversal or something and knows of different universes? 3. Simon spiral powers that hax =P
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From: kevwaffles | #026 Can Yuki just rewrite reality so that Simon never even finds Gurren Lagann? Or do MPFC rules forbid this sort of thing?
No reason timehax isn't allowed, or time-empowered characters would be horrendously gimped.
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again would she even KNOW what spiral power is? Its a foreign thing in her universe is it not?
Also stealing powers deal doesn't seem that impressive when you compare it to Haruhi...Haruhi is basically a sitting duck tbh (since she doesn't know of her hax) if she knew about them she could probably resist and go "no **** you Yuki")
Also didn't it say Yuki couldn't pull her hax on haruhi at one point because she said something about a "closed zone" that haruhi was in? That scenario is likely with TTGL pilots.
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Oh, yeah, STTGL's size is a good point. Yuki could manipulate yeah, but she still takes time (even though it just takes a few seconds), but that's enough for STTGL to accidentally step on the galaxy, and her.everything.
From: Natwaf_akidna | #043 but that's enough for STTGL to accidentally step on the galaxy
There was nothing comparable to accidentally stepping on galaxies indicated at any point in the final fight. Collateral damage from attacks and specific destruction, sure, but that was not happening instantaneously.
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There was nothing comparable to accidentally stepping on galaxies indicated at any point in the final fight. Collateral damage from attacks and specific destruction, sure, but that was not happening instantaneously.
so TTGL running on a galaxy the second it was formed didn't happen right? Plus STTGL is just that big where moving itself at all is bound for "collateral damage" as you put it. That being the specs of sand around it which we call "galaxies" lol.
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doesn't yuki regularly hold back because she's an 'observer' or some crap. like she literally tries to interfere as little as possible.
That just means that she'd try to avoid a combat situation under normal circumstances. Here, she's in an unavoidable combat situation thanks to the tournament. I don't think it really applies.
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