Board 8 > League of Legends Topic 28 - "This is no challenge."

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10/17/11 1:52:00 PM
#301:


Another Annie skin. For real. She already has like seven skins, doesn't she?

Though I will be buying Nidalee just so I can buy that witch skin. Nidalee has some amazing skins, man.

On a different but related note, I regret joining too late to buy Kitty Kat Katarina, but them's the breaks, I suppose.

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Biolizard28
10/17/11 2:09:00 PM
#302:


Actually, Hotshot did really well with Nidalee during IEM NY.

So well that Sypher had to ban her and he just crumbled.

The instinct hasn't left him, for sure. He's still a Nidalee player at heart. Just had an identity crisis is all.

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Peace___Frog
10/17/11 2:35:00 PM
#303:


Hotshottgg used AD Nidalee before the changes, though. >_>

Not nearly as often as AP, but it's not like he started using AD recently.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/17/11 2:38:00 PM
#304:


Yeah, but he only started succeeding after the stat bonus it gave got buffed.

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Biolizard28
10/17/11 2:57:00 PM
#305:


From: Anagram | #301
Another Annie skin. For real. She already has like seven skins, doesn't she?


Fun Fact: After the patch, Annie will officially have the most skins in the game at 8.

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Silver_Ermine
10/17/11 4:45:00 PM
#306:


We are actively working on the stealth rework. EpicWall is the owner, but I am also working a lot on it.

Right now we are scaling Twitch back - at this very moment we're testing him out with exactly his old kit (including unlimited, tracking but still passthrough missiles for Spray & Pray) with the remade Stealth. We will adjust him as needed from here. But so far people are enjoying him a lot. However I make no promises as some people did like his remade kit, too. We'll see how it tests with further feedback.

We will be getting more widespread (PTR) feedback soon. You guys may not have heard but we have a functioning Test Realm again. In fact, we are doing our Live Design daily playtests out of PTR, meaning we actually can play with players to test these remakes and system changes. It's pretty **** exciting.

Also Twitch is making a bit of a comeback on live anyhow... he's definitely not trash tier like people think he is.
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Well, the most widely fun part that people liked seemed to be the new line missile attack, and I'd say that's probably what we might be most likely to add back in. The part that got the most negative/controversial feedback was moving Expunge to the ult, so resetting to the previous kit and moving forward from there seemed to make the most sense. There also was a strong movement suggesting that Twitch has one of the more interesting, nuanced, deep kits and that must be taken into account. I think there were definitely favorable aspects that we can draw from, however.

Also, the most IMPORTANT part of the remake (that she worked on) was the Stealth mechanic itself, which we are not abandoning.


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10/17/11 4:56:00 PM
#307:


So no mention of Evelynn, then.

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Justin_Crossing
10/17/11 5:12:00 PM
#308:


From: Anagram | #307
So no mention of Evelynn, then.


she's already been discussed the hell out of her

ravage is becoming a sort of blink strike that's about the only real fundamental change

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Biolizard28
10/17/11 5:15:00 PM
#309:


Evelynn is supposed to be getting a massive overhaul, not just going back in time.

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Justin_Crossing
10/17/11 5:18:00 PM
#310:


From: Biolizard28 | #309
Evelynn is supposed to be getting a massive overhaul, not just going back in time.


massive overhaul =/= remake

they're shifting her numbers but the only completely drastic change is blink striking ravage. they're tweaking mechanics of the ult and her q who's name i forget a little but yeah the blink strike is the only big thing

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Biolizard28
10/17/11 5:20:00 PM
#311:


I thought her ult was going to make her go super saiyan. Never mind.

Hate Spike, btw

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Biolizard28
10/17/11 5:25:00 PM
#312:


New rotation

Amumu
Annie
Ashe
Cho'Gath
Corki
Jarvan IV
Master Yi
Nasus
Soraka
Xerath

4 450s, 1.5 6300s, 3 1350s.

What a horrible week to actually own champions.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/17/11 5:27:00 PM
#313:


Just a really fun vid I randomly saw today:

The Udyr music just makes it, every time. Even when it switches to something else.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/17/11 5:27:00 PM
#314:


From: Justin_Crossing | #310
massive overhaul =/= remake

they're shifting her numbers but the only completely drastic change is blink striking ravage. they're tweaking mechanics of the ult and her q who's name i forget a little but yeah the blink strike is the only big thing


Yeah, getting a bush reveal, permastealth, and her stun back is totally not a remake. Totally, dawg!

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KanzarisKelshen
10/17/11 5:28:00 PM
#315:


Oh yeah, and Hatespike is gonna have range now, too.

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Justin_Crossing
10/17/11 5:28:00 PM
#316:


oh right forgot about the bush reveal

also permastealth is the system not her

and i meant to imply the stun

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red13n
10/17/11 5:30:00 PM
#317:


Also Twitch is making a bit of a comeback on live anyhow... he's definitely not trash tier like people think he is.

I've been telling people twitch is still good for months.

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red13n
10/17/11 5:36:00 PM
#318:



It's like Shaco. Sure people play him and ranked and do really well with him sometimes but he really isn't that good. You NEVER see him in tourneys for a reason and the same goes for Twitch (at this point at least)


This doesnt stop people from pulling out Ez in tourneys and losing every single game with him.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/17/11 5:37:00 PM
#319:


From: red13n | #319

It's like Shaco. Sure people play him and ranked and do really well with him sometimes but he really isn't that good. You NEVER see him in tourneys for a reason and the same goes for Twitch (at this point at least)


This doesnt stop people from pulling out Ez in tourneys and losing every single game with him.


To be fair this is often because of other people failing. Look at Guangzhou, which featured a simply incredible carry job with Ezreal foiled by a team playing like 900 elo baddies.

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Silver_Ermine
10/17/11 5:38:00 PM
#320:


red13n posted...
Also Twitch is making a bit of a comeback on live anyhow... he's definitely not trash tier like people think he is.

I've been telling people twitch is still good for months.


Not trash =/= Good.

I've never said he's the worst champion, but he is still out classed. People would be using him a LOT if he was good since stealth is really strong early game.

It's like Shaco. Sure people play him in ranked and do really well with him sometimes but he really isn't that good. You NEVER see him in tourneys for a reason and the same goes for Twitch (at this point at least)

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10/17/11 5:38:00 PM
#321:



To be fair this is often because of other people failing. Look at Guangzhou, which featured a simple incredible carry job with Ezreal foiled by a team playing like 900 elo baddies.


Its also because of ez being low-impact. Hes a damage machine, but hes incredibly low on utility beyond a bit of survivability(Which is offset a bit by his extreme squishyness)

Ez wins lanes and loses games. Thats basically how it goes.

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Silver_Ermine
10/17/11 5:41:00 PM
#322:


Twitch and Shaco can do really well if the enemy is bad.

If they are smart, they can keep both from being fed and thus they become completely useless.

It's the reason why Twitch and Shaco aren't that good. It's because they are ONLY good if they get hella farmed or perform lots of ganks.

And Twitch bottom lane is really outclassed because of his awful range and mobility.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/17/11 5:41:00 PM
#323:


From: red13n | #321

To be fair this is often because of other people failing. Look at Guangzhou, which featured a simple incredible carry job with Ezreal foiled by a team playing like 900 elo baddies.


Its also because of ez being low-impact. Hes a damage machine, but hes incredibly low on utility beyond a bit of survivability(Which is offset a bit by his extreme squishyness)

Ez wins lanes and loses games. Thats basically how it goes.


Nah. Ez is basically what happens when you cross Miss Fortune with Tristana, and he's at least as good as Trist if not better if played correctly. You don't see people ragging on Trist for being low-utility, and for good reason.

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red13n
10/17/11 5:45:00 PM
#324:



Nah. Ez is basically what happens when you cross Miss Fortune with Tristana, and he's at least as good as Trist if not better if played correctly. You don't see people ragging on Trist for being low-utility, and for good reason.


Trist has 2 potential survivability skills as well as a portable MS, longer attack range than ez, and a slow.

shes not really comparable to ez at all.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/17/11 5:53:00 PM
#325:


From: red13n | #324

Nah. Ez is basically what happens when you cross Miss Fortune with Tristana, and he's at least as good as Trist if not better if played correctly. You don't see people ragging on Trist for being low-utility, and for good reason.


Trist has 2 potential survivability skills as well as a portable MS, longer attack range than ez, and a slow.

shes not really comparable to ez at all.


Ez has two survivability skills, if you count Buster Shot as one for Trist. MS applying slows makes it very hard to close in on him without being Nox. Similarly, its range is longer than Trist's auto range, and Arcane Shift can't be bug-canceled like Trist's jump can. Not sure what you are referring to with a portable MS though.

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10/17/11 6:12:00 PM
#326:


my favorite part about the surprise party fiddle is

ALL OF IT
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WaIker
10/17/11 6:30:00 PM
#327:


slight AS reduction =/= survivability skill

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KanzarisKelshen
10/17/11 6:45:00 PM
#328:


From: WaIker | #327
slight AS reduction =/= survivability skill


Talking about Mystic Shot with slows and Arcane Shift, not Essence Flux. Who even puts points into that?

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Peace___Frog
10/17/11 7:44:00 PM
#329:


literally just lost a game for my team because of lag

I'm Leona. I'm the initiator. I'm supposed to be able to lock someone down, CC people. With fluctuating 500-800 ping, that's very difficult to do.

We lost all 3 teamfights, solely because I was largely a nonfactor. Laning was miserable, I couldn't set my lanemate (Ezreal, actually) for any kills at all.

First real game after a 2 week hiatus? Screw you, university internet.

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red13n
10/17/11 8:00:00 PM
#330:


Not sure what you are referring to with a portable MS though.

50% healing reduction, kanz.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/17/11 8:02:00 PM
#331:


From: red13n | #330
Not sure what you are referring to with a portable MS though.

50% healing reduction, kanz.


How the hell does healing reduction abbreviate to MS though. >_>

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Daranix
10/17/11 9:13:00 PM
#332:


Mortal Strike.

It's a WoW term.

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Forceful_Dragon
10/18/11 12:19:00 AM
#333:


Been awhile since I've posted game stats.

Loss ~ Alistar ~ 3-9-7 (1.11) [-17] 1589
Loss ~ Miss Fortune ~ 1-8-2 (0.38) [-18] 1571
Loss ~ Alistar ~ 2-11-3 (0.45) [-17] 1554
Loss ~ Kayle ~ 1-6-4 (0.83) [-16] 1538
Win ~ Alistar ~ 3-2-14 (8.50) [+17] 1555
Win ~ Singed ~ 9-0-3 (infinity) [+16] 1571
Loss ~ Singed ~ 1-2-3 (2.00) [-16] 1555
Loss ~ Morgana ~ 1-1-13 (14.00) [-19] 1536
Win ~ Alistar ~ 2-2-9 (5.50) [+16] 1552
Win ~ Garen ~ 4-4-6 (2.50) [+18] 1570
Loss ~ Sion ~ 3-4-4 (1.75) [-18] 1552
Loss ~ Alistar ~ 1-6-5 (1.00) [-17] 1535
Win ~ Kayle ~ 2-7-20 (3.14) [+16] 1551
Win ~ Sona ~ 3-4-8 (2.75) [+16] 1567
Win ~ Miss Fortune ~ 5-4-8 (3.25) [+16] 1583
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Win ~ Alistar ~ 2-0-11 (infinity) [+13] 1596
Win ~ Udyr ~ 0-6-12 (2.00) [+12] 1608


Also we switched from 16-19 ELO range down to the 12-13 range after a total of 76 games. Kind of a stange time to switch ELO gain brackets imo...

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Forceful_Dragon
10/18/11 1:34:00 AM
#334:


Win ~ Amumu ~ 4-13-15 (1.46) [+13] 1621



This last win is another example why you do not surrender.

We not only started to come together (after my internet killed me 3 times at crucial moments) but the enemy started goofing around and not playing serious.

We were losing extremely hard though and I DC'd 4 times throughout the game, usually at really really bad times. So red and I stalled out a surrender vote like 20 times until we actually started to seem like we were winning.

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Silver_Ermine
10/18/11 1:49:00 AM
#335:


Almost won a game with a 1-21-10 Kennen.

Take a few moments to figure that one out.

Woulda been glorious. Oh well.

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10/18/11 11:37:00 AM
#336:


I almost bought Pharaoh Nid because of the awesome cougar form, but damn Witch Nid cougar still wears the witch hat. Instant buy.

Also for reference, Hotshot's Nid build against Sypher went boots/pots -> Rod of Ages -> Rabadons -> Sorc Shoes -> some order of Lich Bane, Void Staff, and Zhonya's. Granted he was playing in an environment of "nail them with every single spear", but that's basically the only viable Nidalee setup now anyway. Zhonya's is definitely for the AP/active, extra armor is nice but RoA is the only tankiness she really needs, imo.

Also how many of you are not level 30? I got the impression I was really late to the party with only ~180 normal wins, but apparently Bio isn't level 30, so now I'm thinking I'm at a similar level as some of you. Maybe not super-buddies FD, red and Chris though.

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10/18/11 11:46:00 AM
#337:


I'm nearing 29.

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TheConductorSix
10/18/11 11:54:00 AM
#338:


So I hop on my level 20 account to play Gragas.

I decide to Double Jungle(kinda forced it on my team)

Go to Load Screen:

Lee Sin and Nunu both have Smite.

DOUBLE DOUBLE JUNGLE

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Biolizard28
10/18/11 12:00:00 PM
#339:


Double Jungle new meta

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10/18/11 12:08:00 PM
#340:


Give me solo top Irelia tips for when facing two people. I have problems with turret hugging because often one of them will be ranged and able to tear into it (or me) while the melee one causes problems.

My skill order is WQWEWR,

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Biolizard28
10/18/11 12:12:00 PM
#341:


Solo Top anyone 1v2 is pretty tricky, but the best advice I can give is let them push. Even if you're not comfortable with it, Irelia farms at the tower better than anyone thanks to her Q and W. Harass the ranged with your auto attacks when you can. Q to the nearest minion if they're close to death, or Q right onto them with W activated. You CAN force them off the tower. If you're letting any ranged get free hits when the melee's away, you're doing it wrong.

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Forceful_Dragon
10/18/11 12:12:00 PM
#342:


We ran a triple jungle the other night in normals.

With 4 total smites on our team.

sub 3 minute dragon set the pace for the game, it was glorious.

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BakusaiTenketsu
10/18/11 12:50:00 PM
#343:


From: Forceful_Dragon | #342
We ran a triple jungle the other night in normals.

With 4 total smites on our team.

sub 3 minute dragon set the pace for the game, it was glorious.


How did you stop enemy laners, and level up (3 Jungles has to be terrible exp).

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TheConductorSix
10/18/11 1:00:00 PM
#344:


Top Lane packs Smite, pushes the lane to the turret, then goes to the jungle while the enemy recovers.

Your Solo Top would have to be someone who could push extremely hard, very quickly.

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Forceful_Dragon
10/18/11 1:27:00 PM
#345:


Halloween Skins btw:



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10/18/11 2:53:00 PM
#346:


Ugh the spear tip attached to the broomstick for Witch Nidalee. Just make it a normal broom argh.

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Biolizard28
10/18/11 4:15:00 PM
#347:


HAHA TIME FOR PATCH NOTES

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/graves-patch-notes

NERF TOWN:

Gangplank
Kog'Maw
Talon
Gunblade

BUFF CITY:
Shaco
Skarner
Orianna

CHANGEVILLE:
Corki
Riven

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Justin_Crossing
10/18/11 4:18:00 PM
#348:


riven's change should totally count as a buff

orianna's buff lol

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Biolizard28
10/18/11 4:20:00 PM
#349:


If I knew what it meant, maybe it would.

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Justin_Crossing
10/18/11 4:21:00 PM
#350:


From: Biolizard28 | #349
If I knew what it meant, maybe it would.


it means she'll keep autoattacking her target if she uses q on a target. it means it'll automatically do q-> attack q-> attack q->attack

and there's reduced minion collision

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