Board 8 > League of Legends Topic 28 - "This is no challenge."

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Aecioo
10/19/11 12:36:00 PM
#401:


Biolizard28 posted...
I AM NOT DEALING WITH THE HORRORS OF SOLO QUEUE

I'D RATHER DIE


so what does 30 matter

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Biolizard28
10/19/11 12:51:00 PM
#402:


Because I just want to farm/level up in peace.

I intend to brace solo queue more often once I'm 30.

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SovietGwindor
10/19/11 12:52:00 PM
#403:


Bio just be all like

"Hey Gwin let's queue up"

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KanzarisKelshen
10/19/11 1:00:00 PM
#404:


From: Biolizard28 | #402
Because I just want to farm/level up in peace.

I intend to brace solo queue more often once I'm 30.


This is a bad idea. Your skill level isn't up to the par of a normal level 30 player. Start playing now and grit your teeth.

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Biolizard28
10/19/11 1:15:00 PM
#405:


From: KanzarisKelshen | #404
Your skill level isn't up to the par of a normal level 30 player.


The few solo queue games I have played beg to differ.

Especially since I'm primarily a support/tank player and my place in solo queue is limited.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/19/11 1:17:00 PM
#406:


From: Biolizard28 | #405
The few solo queue games I have played beg to differ.

Especially since I'm primarily a support/tank player and my place in solo queue is limited.


Bull****. There is no such thing as too many tanks or supports in soloqueue, and if you'd played more you'd know that.

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Biolizard28
10/19/11 1:22:00 PM
#407:


"Hey Leona, why aren't you initiating?"

*Initiate a fight when the two we're against are at half health*

*Lanemate continues farming*

"Noob Leona, I wasn't ready stop feeding"

And then there's the group that thinks because they're laning with Taric they're a force of nature and can towerdive without repercussions whenever they possibly can.

I'm not really in the mood to be lectured by you, anyway.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/19/11 1:30:00 PM
#408:


From: Biolizard28 | #407
"Hey Leona, why aren't you initiating?"

*Initiate a fight when the two we're against are at half health*

*Lanemate continues farming*

"Noob Leona, I wasn't ready stop feeding"

And then there's the group that thinks because they're laning with Taric they're a force of nature and can towerdive without repercussions whenever they possibly can.

I'm not really in the mood to be lectured by you, anyway.


And this is why you're not ready for soloqueue. Just because you have levels doesn't mean you've learned the three skills that matter. Bots can't teach you any of those.

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ToukaOone
10/19/11 2:08:00 PM
#409:


this is why you are like me and fail horribly at supports instead of be good at them

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10/19/11 2:17:00 PM
#410:


Pinging and asking the lanemate if you should initiate helps if it's laning phase. It's not like you're very much on the clock, there. Like it sounds like you were laning with an idiot but it's not all on him.

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KommunistKoala
10/19/11 2:19:00 PM
#411:


From: KanzarisKelshen | #1958
Overreacting to a minor damage nerf and a noticeable but not brutal MS nerf 'ugh'


KanzarisKelshen 'ugh'

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KanzarisKelshen
10/19/11 2:23:00 PM
#412:


From: KommunistKoala | #411
KanzarisKelshen 'ugh'


Funny, but look at the numbers. Plank lost what, six damage and 6% MS? 6 damage is minor. Super minor. 6% MS is bigger, but Raise Morale had Shurelya's Reverie-tier values before. It won't turn the skill to trash by any means - it's still practically as good as Ghost.

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Justin_Crossing
10/19/11 4:03:00 PM
#413:


From: BakusaiTenketsu | #413
Do the bots in Co-Op v. AI get more money?

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Twitch on our team had 21 kills, 13 assists, and 124 creeps.
Annie on the bots had 7 kills, 2 assists, and 97 creeps.

Should there really only be a 400 gold discrepancy between the two?


bots get more money yes

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BakusaiTenketsu
10/19/11 4:03:00 PM
#414:


Do the bots in Co-Op v. AI get more money?

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Twitch on our team had 21 kills, 13 assists, and 124 creeps.
Annie on the bots had 7 kills, 2 assists, and 97 creeps.

Should there really only be a 400 gold discrepancy between the two?

Ashe had less stats as well, and actually had more money.

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Biolizard28
10/19/11 5:36:00 PM
#415:


Ugh

Northern Front Swain for maximum style.

Or Caitlyn for a borked AD carry

Argh, why Riot, why?

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KanzarisKelshen
10/19/11 5:38:00 PM
#416:


Graves is approximately 39.277 times as OP as Caitlyn ATM. If you need a broken carry pick him up.

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Biolizard28
10/19/11 5:40:00 PM
#417:


Actually, I just remembered Caitlyn is free pretty much regularly. And Graves is infinitely more fun.

Swain it is, time for owls

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Heroic_CactObo
10/19/11 5:42:00 PM
#418:


carries > tanks/supports in solo queue

you can only trust yourself

you can utility the crap out of your team but if they're too dumb to do damage then you're both worthless and you lose
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Biolizard28
10/19/11 5:45:00 PM
#419:


I got wrecked in a game as Singed, but did great in a game as Sona.

I find that I can tank/support as long as I pick champions that don't require farm, since nobody's going to let me unless I can actually solo lane.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/19/11 5:53:00 PM
#420:


From: Heroic_CactObo | #418
carries > tanks/supports in solo queue

you can only trust yourself

you can utility the crap out of your team but if they're too dumb to do damage then you're both worthless and you lose


Unsurprisingly, you also lose if you get super fed as a carry and your team is dumb. It's more about knowing how to deal with the enemy team than your own bads.

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TheConductorSix
10/19/11 6:14:00 PM
#421:


There was a post on the LOL Forums that I wish I had saved.

It was from an 1800 Elo player discussing how he got there and that he's admittedly not very good but simply mastered the little intricacies of League of Legend.

He posted screenshots of carrying sub 1400 Elo games and then posted screenshots of his 1800 games. He was average there but good enough to contribute to a team.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/19/11 6:17:00 PM
#422:


To win at LoL you just need three things, and I'm not kidding.

A) Map awareness.
B) Last-hitting skills (if you don't need lasthits because you lend them to a teammate, sub this for something else)
C) Leadership skills.

That's it. You can be a pretty crap player, but as long as you accrue gold at a steady rate, notice what the enemy team is doing, and coordinate your team and get them to stop crying, you will always win barring feeders or DCs.

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Peace___Frog
10/19/11 6:45:00 PM
#423:


Xerath is really cool.

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Gwindor
10/19/11 7:54:00 PM
#424:


I have yet to see a LeBlanc lose in the last few weeks

everyone else was finally nerfed to where she is OP

(It's probably just because she counters mages mid so hard)

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Anagram
10/19/11 8:55:00 PM
#425:


I haven't played much this patch, but is it just me, or is Graves absolutely superior to MF in every measurable way except movement speed and healing reduction? I really don't mean to bring up MF again after the whole thing with Kanz, but Graves just seems so much like her.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/19/11 9:05:00 PM
#426:


From: Anagram | #425
I haven't played much this patch, but is it just me, or is Graves absolutely superior to MF in every measurable way except movement speed and healing reduction? I really don't mean to bring up MF again after the whole thing with Kanz, but Graves just seems so much like her.


Graves is nothing like MF except for his coneskills, but yes, he's better. He's the best carry because he won't die easily even if you build super glassy.

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Biolizard28
10/19/11 9:15:00 PM
#427:


I am never playing Dominion again.

One idiot on SR is survivable.

One idiot on Dominion causes all the points to collapse and allow come from behind victories.

I'm so f***ing mad I can't even see straight.

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10/19/11 9:15:00 PM
#428:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
Graves is nothing like MF except for his coneskills, but yes, he's better. He's the best carry because he won't die easily even if you build super glassy.

Nothing like her? Dude. Smokescreen is literally MiR except that it Nocturne-style blinds you and deals thirty less damage at level 5 and slows by 5% less, they both have AoE ultimates that are cones, and and Quickdraw and Impure Shots both increase AS, though they're otherwise nothing alike, it's true. They even both have a skill that impacts an enemy and then has an effect on enemies behind him.

I know they're not exactly alike or anything, but they're way closer to each other than any random two champions of the same type.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/19/11 9:28:00 PM
#429:


From: Anagram | #428
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Graves is nothing like MF except for his coneskills, but yes, he's better. He's the best carry because he won't die easily even if you build super glassy.

Nothing like her? Dude. Smokescreen is literally MiR except that it Nocturne-style blinds you and deals thirty less damage at level 5 and slows by 5% less, they both have AoE ultimates that are cones, and and Quickdraw and Impure Shots both increase AS, though they're otherwise nothing alike, it's true. They even both have a skill that impacts an enemy and then has an effect on enemies behind him.

I know they're not exactly alike or anything, but they're way closer to each other than any random two champions of the same type.


So...smokescreen is nothing like MiR then? Got it.

(because seriously, if you want to compare it with something, that's the wrong choice. I'd say it's closer to Anivia's ult than anything else, though I'm probably forgetting some ability)

Really, Graves mashes Ashe, Vayne, has an entirely new ability, and a dash of MF in his ult. The rest isn't too similar.

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10/19/11 9:40:00 PM
#430:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
So...smokescreen is nothing like MiR then? Got it.

Dude. It is an AoE slow that lasts for several seconds, with a radius of 400, that also does damage. It does less damage but lasts over twice as long, and it also map-blinds, but that is as close as abilities can get to each other beyond simple steroid skills.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/19/11 9:41:00 PM
#431:


From: Anagram | #430
KanzarisKelshen posted...
So...smokescreen is nothing like MiR then? Got it.

Dude. It is an AoE slow that lasts for several seconds, with a radius of 400, that also does damage. It does less damage but lasts over twice as long, and it also map-blinds, but that is as close as abilities can get to each other beyond simple steroid skills.


But see, it's nothing alike. One of them is a skill primarily meant to slow. The other one is primarily meant to do interface screwage. Yes, the AoE thingy is similar, but in practice they don't work the same way at all. You can't pull off clutch screwjobs with MIR.

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10/19/11 9:49:00 PM
#432:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
But see, it's nothing alike. One of them is a skill primarily meant to slow. The other one is primarily meant to do interface screwage. Yes, the AoE thingy is similar, but in practice they don't work the same way at all. You can't pull off clutch screwjobs with MIR.

... If it's meant primarily for interface screwage, how is it close to Anivia's ult?

Anyway, I call them like I see them. They're both ranged AoE circle slows that deal damage and have very long cooldowns, but one also interface screws.

But out of curiosity, what are you going to use Smokescreen for that you aren't going to use MiR for? I haven't played Graves yet, I'm just legitimately asking. It sounds like it's used primarily for harassment, escape, and chasing, which is exactly what you use MiR for. In fact, if you can brushcheck with Smokescreen, that's just about everything you can use MiR for, since you don't need to slow enemies before using Graves' ult.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/19/11 9:53:00 PM
#433:


From: Anagram | #432
KanzarisKelshen posted...
But see, it's nothing alike. One of them is a skill primarily meant to slow. The other one is primarily meant to do interface screwage. Yes, the AoE thingy is similar, but in practice they don't work the same way at all. You can't pull off clutch screwjobs with MIR.

... If it's meant primarily for interface screwage, how is it close to Anivia's ult?

Anyway, I call them like I see them. They're both ranged AoE circle slows that deal damage and have very long cooldowns, but one also interface screws.

But out of curiosity, what are you going to use Smokescreen for that you aren't going to use MiR for? I haven't played Graves yet, I'm just legitimately asking. It sounds like it's used primarily for harassment, escape, and chasing, which is exactly what you use MiR for. In fact, if you can brushcheck with Smokescreen, that's just about everything you can use MiR for, since you don't need to slow enemies before using Graves' ult.


It screws with jarvan's flag for example. He can't do the knockup if smokescreened. Similarly, Xerath is pretty much gimped if you smoke him since he can't aim.

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10/19/11 10:57:00 PM
#434:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
It screws with jarvan's flag for example. He can't do the knockup if smokescreened. Similarly, Xerath is pretty much gimped if you smoke him since he can't aim.

So that's only applicable to specific champions?




On a completely unrelated note, how is Orianna after the autoattack range buff?

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KommunistKoala
10/19/11 10:59:00 PM
#435:


If Graves smokescreens at the right time, he can **** up anyone because they can't see the champs they were about to attack/nuke/stun/slow/etc until they get out of it, and it slows them so that would take long enough to completely change the fight.

It's easy to use it terribly, but if done right it can easily change fights.

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10/20/11 12:50:00 AM
#436:


Anagram posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
It screws with jarvan's flag for example. He can't do the knockup if smokescreened. Similarly, Xerath is pretty much gimped if you smoke him since he can't aim.

So that's only applicable to specific champions?



If by only applicable to specific champions we mean anyone with a targetted ability, skillshot, or ranged autoattack. Yes.

So basically, you're golden if you're Tryndamere or AD Yi and hosed otherwise.

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red13n
10/20/11 12:53:00 AM
#437:


Graves shroud is the most broken ability riot has made in a long time.

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MUKMASTER2
10/20/11 1:42:00 AM
#438:


Poor Olaf. Chalk up another thing that also beats Ragnarok.

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Forceful_Dragon
10/20/11 1:46:00 AM
#439:


From: red13n | #437
Graves shroud is the most broken ability riot has made in a long time.


It is a "you HAVE to run from this circle" ability on a medium cooldown.

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Achromatic
10/20/11 9:26:00 AM
#440:


Had a good ranked session went 5-2 to get myself up above 1400 again.

Having to fight through stuff to get people not to idle is amazingly frustrating.

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Forceful_Dragon
10/20/11 10:22:00 AM
#441:


Playing some Dominion with Aecioo and HGR atm.

More people should play imho.

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Justin_Crossing
10/20/11 11:42:00 AM
#442:


i will play because i got an ingrown toenail removed and am now not at school for the rest of the day

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10/20/11 11:42:00 AM
#443:


Smokescreen seems fundamentally overpowered, honestly, haven't gotten to play with/against him but from what I can tell he has all the damage of an AD carry while being tankier and being able to go pseudo-invisible to a target area. Wanna land those skillshots Ezreal? too bad

Also, no one is allowed to whine about Gangplank nerfs, he's still incredibly powerful and though this wasn't the nerf he needed (making him unable to eat oranges during suppression or silence is the one that really needs to be implemented), it's still not that big of a deal. IMO GP and Lee are by far the top 2 champions atm.

ALSO, Skarner buffs are fantastic and are most of what I think he needed. I never watched his AS per level so I'll take their word for it that it needed a buff, but longer impale, better mana costs and a better use for fracture were all necessary. I want him to have a little more base health, armor or mr because I think his early-game tankiness needs help, but we'll see how he goes.

ALSO Witch Nidalee's cougar form keeps the witch hat, so this better be insta-buy for everyone.

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Biolizard28
10/20/11 1:57:00 PM
#444:


I feel like I don't have a lot of "oomph" in my auto attacks as Graves.

I have this problem with pretty much every AD carry who isn't Vayne, though.

And for the record, no, I don't even think about building attack speed until I get my big damage item.

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red13n
10/20/11 2:59:00 PM
#445:


Wanna land those skillshots Ezreal? too bad

Its not the skillshot champions that are hurt. Its all the champions without skillshots as their attack animations are stopped and their movement is halted.

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Biolizard28
10/20/11 3:06:00 PM
#446:


Wait, attacks STOP when they're in the cloud?

I imagine they're going to fix that.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/20/11 3:13:00 PM
#447:


From: Biolizard28 | #446
Wait, attacks STOP when they're in the cloud?

I imagine they're going to fix that.


Of course they do. You lose all vision. It's as if your opponent had gone into the brush assuming they don't attack you.

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TheConductorSix
10/20/11 3:24:00 PM
#448:


I pick Trist.

I'm laning against Graves.

He's at half health so i go in for the Leap>Ignite>E>Buster Shot Combo.

Perfectly Timed Shroud RIGHT when I leaped in. I'm now useless.

Graves Shroud is stupid and retarded.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/20/11 3:26:00 PM
#449:


From: TheConductorSix | #448
I pick Trist.

I'm laning against Graves.

He's at half health so i go in for the Leap>Ignite>E>Buster Shot Combo.

Perfectly Timed Shroud RIGHT when I leaped in. I'm now useless.

Graves Shroud is stupid and retarded.


You mean amazing and da bess

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Biolizard28
10/20/11 3:48:00 PM
#450:


From: KanzarisKelshen | #447
Of course they do. You lose all vision. It's as if your opponent had gone into the brush assuming they don't attack you.


But like okay

If Ryze Qs me, and I hit him with a smokescreen

the Q disappears?

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