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KanzarisKelshen
12/13/11 4:26:00 PM
#51:


Incidentally Ermine, Ionic Spark is likely coming to SR. You have no excuse not to get it on Volibear, as it has ridiculous synergy with his ult.

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Biolizard28
12/13/11 4:37:00 PM
#52:


From: Silver_Ermine | #048
I don't see what nerfing his only good ability and not buffing him in other places has to do with him not being plain awful now


That doesn't address my concerns.

Volibear being vulnerable to kiting is his drawback. It's always going to be. It's going to be that way for every melee champion without a gap closer, who have other things to worry about. (Except Tryndamere, but I've given up on Riot on this point.)

Volibear may have been a subpar pick despite Frenzy, but that didn't mean Frenzy wasn't ridiculous.

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Chaotic Mind
12/13/11 4:39:00 PM
#53:


Since no one answered my question in the last topic, i'll ask again here. Does the bonus damage on every 3rd strike from Jax's Relentless Assault proc Rylai's?

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Gwindor
12/13/11 4:43:00 PM
#54:


I don't have jax, but that seems like something you could test for yourself in a custom game.

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Biolizard28
12/13/11 4:46:00 PM
#55:


I think any source of magic damage does.

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Justin_Crossing
12/13/11 4:48:00 PM
#56:


From: Biolizard28 | #055
I think any source of magic damage does.


some auto-attack things (fizz, teemo) don't

unsure about jax though

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Biolizard28
12/13/11 4:50:00 PM
#57:


This is odd, then.

Volibear's does, it's a recommended item for a reason.

Jax's is also his ultimate, but it's also a passive of his ultimate.

Conundrum.

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Biolizard28
12/13/11 4:53:00 PM
#58:


Just checked the wiki.

Yeah, it works.

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ToukaOone
12/13/11 4:54:00 PM
#59:


I'd probably like to try out a skillshot champion with relatively easy CSing so that I can, you know, actually learn how to CS under not completely ridiculous conditions.

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Chaotic Mind
12/13/11 4:55:00 PM
#60:


Sweet, thanks Bio

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Biolizard28
12/13/11 4:56:00 PM
#61:


From: ToukaOone | #059
I'd probably like to try out a skillshot champion with relatively easy CSing so that I can, you know, actually learn how to CS under not completely ridiculous conditions.


Twisted Fate.

Max out Q.

Get some AP.

Watch the minion waves fall like a house of cards.

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KanzarisKelshen
12/13/11 4:57:00 PM
#62:


From: ToukaOone | #059
I'd probably like to try out a skillshot champion with relatively easy CSing so that I can, you know, actually learn how to CS under not completely ridiculous conditions.


Ezreal then. He has a ton of skillshots but they're easy to learn, just hard to master. That or Ashe/Corki, lol.

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OctilIery
12/13/11 5:28:00 PM
#63:


Ez, or Corki if you want a bit more leniency after 6.

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Peace___Frog
12/13/11 6:26:00 PM
#64:


tag

what do we think of the new runes?

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Aecioo
12/13/11 6:28:00 PM
#65:


Peace___Frog posted...
tag

what do we think of the new runes?


Extremely situational and not worth using for most champions.

imo

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Gwindor
12/13/11 6:28:00 PM
#66:


Realization: I can take smite on Ahri, and use it when her passive is up. Better than pots.

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Justin_Crossing
12/13/11 6:33:00 PM
#67:


From: Gwindor | #066
Realization: I can take smite on Ahri, and use it when her passive is up. Better than pots.


is ahri released where you are or what

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Gwindor
12/13/11 6:35:00 PM
#68:


If she was released I wouldn't be posting in this topic

someone on the forum said her passive was 35% vamp

for all I know he's full of **** though

however, that would make it absolutely weaker than morgana's passive

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KanzarisKelshen
12/13/11 6:36:00 PM
#69:


From: Aecioo | #065
Peace___Frog posted...
tag

what do we think of the new runes?


Extremely situational and not worth using for most champions.

imo


This. Didn't even need them on Morde, and he's THE guy who'd want 'em. Maybe if they were 3% a quint.

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KanzarisKelshen
12/13/11 6:36:00 PM
#70:


From: Gwindor | #068
If she was released I wouldn't be posting in this topic

someone on the forum said her passive was 35% vamp

for all I know he's full of **** though

however, that would make it absolutely weaker than morgana's passive


You do know that Foxfire has something like 400 base damage, yes?

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Justin_Crossing
12/13/11 6:36:00 PM
#71:


also it probably doesn't work on smite

as far as i know smite effects don't proc spell vamp

but i could be wrong

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Justin_Crossing
12/13/11 6:38:00 PM
#72:


From: KanzarisKelshen | #070
You do know that Foxfire has something like 400 base damage, yes?


that's like arguing that maokai's saplings are the best rank 9 spell in the game

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KanzarisKelshen
12/13/11 6:39:00 PM
#73:


From: Justin_Crossing | #072
that's like arguing that maokai's saplings are the best rank 9 spell in the game


Different because the three hits are all part of the same cast. It is comparable in one way, though: Mao's saplings have some mondo base damage, too.

From: Justin_Crossing | #071
also it probably doesn't work on smite

as far as i know smite effects don't proc spell vamp

but i could be wrong


It procs.

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Gwindor
12/13/11 6:40:00 PM
#74:


Smite totally procs spell vamp

at 35%, it starts off at 155 heal and only gets better

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Biolizard28
12/13/11 6:49:00 PM
#75:


Smite procs spell vamp, but her passive is triggered by her "next spell."

Whether or not that includes summoners is important.

And I'm kind of hoping the 35% thing is inaccurate, because in that case it's only 5% better than Morgana's passive by level 13.

If it scaled into late game better, then it would be worth it.

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KanzarisKelshen
12/13/11 6:56:00 PM
#76:


Dudes, you realize that's 35% at level 1, yes? Which means a damn huge heal?

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Biolizard28
12/13/11 6:57:00 PM
#77:


Relatively speaking, I guess.

It still requires you to spend three spells just to get a chance to use it.

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SythaWarrior
12/13/11 6:58:00 PM
#78:


Shrug I watched some high level streams sometimes randomly Ermine and I saw Volibear picked or banned or in almost every other game actually. That was last week tho, maybe something changed. Fizz was also banned a little bit tho. Kassadin was THE ban tho. He had like a 100% ban ratio for games I watched.

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Biolizard28
12/13/11 7:01:00 PM
#79:


Kassadin is in a weird spot right now.

He stomps on every mid in existence, has great burst, and has an improved flash on a 7 second cooldown max. There's not much they can do to change him that wouldn't completely ruin his play style, but as it stands, it's either ban him or pick him immediately and make the enemy screw their comp up to compensate.

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HanOfTheNekos
12/13/11 7:12:00 PM
#80:


Lux buffs!

Warmog nerfs :(

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Aecioo
12/13/11 7:13:00 PM
#81:


Oh, but to add to my last post, that doesn't make Kassadin bad at all. I was just saying a way to win a lane against him while still being AP (of sorts).

He'll still roam around once he gets his ult and pick up kills and snowball if your team isn't on the ball. THAT'S, imo, what makes him so damn strong.

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Aecioo
12/13/11 7:20:00 PM
#82:


Pick Ryze against Kassadin and blow him up early on.

Little known AP counter to him! Especially with the nerfs, before it was like, slightly in favor of Ryze, and now I can see it being a clear "Ryze will win without ganks/him being an idiot".

I play a lot of Kassadin, and have really only lost to Ryze before, plus I counterpick Kassadin with Ryze and win most of the time now.

interesting lane.

edit - and to add to this before anyone asks, it's because Ryze can trade early on and come out ahead with both his Q and W + ranged hits against Kassadin, and Ryze will naturally build tanky anyway so you can get early MR and just straight tank Kassadins damage while dealing a ton of damage against him because of your short CD, spammable spells. He can't riftwalk up to you, combo, and riftwalk away without eating your spells. Just walk into him and burst him after he bursts you. You'll without a doubt come out ahead early, and it will be even later on but you have your ult heal + MR from your items you pick up with farm.

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Biolizard28
12/13/11 7:24:00 PM
#83:


http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Ahri_the_Nine-Tailed_Fox

Oh god worst case scenario.

Her ratios are terrible.

Thank god for true damage.

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KanzarisKelshen
12/13/11 7:36:00 PM
#84:


ITT, 2.4 total ratio attached to 1320 base damage is bad. Spoilers, Annie does way less and has worse ratios, and she's a heavy burst caster.

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Megaman703
12/13/11 7:41:00 PM
#85:


Q ratio have to be terrible because of true damage

E ratio is who cares

R ratio would be nice, but the real power lies in the triple dash.

W ratio could be better though

Annie only has worse ratios is you're considering her shield, her damaging spells all have much better ratios.

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KanzarisKelshen
12/13/11 7:46:00 PM
#86:


From: Megaman703 | #085
Q ratio have to be terrible because of true damage

E ratio is who cares

R ratio would be nice, but the real power lies in the triple dash.

W ratio could be better though

Annie only has worse ratios is you're considering her shield, her damaging spells all have much better ratios.


Add them all together. 0.7, 0.75, 0.8 = 2.05. It just doesn't compare. Put it this way: If Leblanc lands absolutely EVERYTHING, she hits like 15% harder than Ahri to one target. At her best, Ahri dishes that damage to one target and then spreads out 800+1.56 damage AoE.

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Justin_Crossing
12/13/11 8:02:00 PM
#87:


She looks ridiculously good.

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Biolizard28
12/13/11 8:40:00 PM
#88:


the only time i see a good alistar is in normals

It's the little compliments like this that keep me going.

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OctilIery
12/13/11 10:51:00 PM
#89:


The only reason Kass is so unbeatable in lane is people refuse to switch up the lane phase. He doesn't stomp every mid, he stomps every AP mid(and some can still beat him if their early game is strong) but any AD carry can absolutely stomp him. You want to beat Kass? Don't put the damn Mage mid.

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Aecioo
12/13/11 10:53:00 PM
#90:


Yeah the obvious Kass counter is an AD mid like Cait, but I was just posting a way to beat him while still being AP!

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OctilIery
12/13/11 10:54:00 PM
#91:


From: Aecioo | #090
Yeah the obvious Kass counter is an AD mid like Cait, but I was just posting a way to beat him while still being AP!


Oh I didn't even see your post!

I was responding to Bio XD

Yeah, Ryze and a good Cass should both stomp Kass mid easily.

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ToukaOone
12/13/11 11:09:00 PM
#92:


Can someone explain to me when Kass became such a common ban and if there was anything specific causing it or just a bunch of people discovering "hey kass mid is REALLY STRONG"

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KamikazePotato
12/13/11 11:10:00 PM
#93:


1. He's really strong
2. His constant teleports make him ungankable and generally a dick and there's not really a counter to it

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OctilIery
12/13/11 11:16:00 PM
#94:


From: ToukaOone | #092
Can someone explain to me when Kass became such a common ban and if there was anything specific causing it or just a bunch of people discovering "hey kass mid is REALLY STRONG"


Because without good team coordination he's incredibly snowbally. The game really needs voice chat :/

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Forceful_Dragon
12/14/11 3:38:00 AM
#95:


Only 1 ranked game for red and I last night. We went a combined 0-4-0 and won anyways, cracking 1800 for the first time this season. I'm not sure how I feel about that, lol. And it's my first 0.00 KDA game of the season as well.

Win ~ Alistar ~ 0-2-0 (0.00) [+12] 1809 {45}

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Peace___Frog
12/14/11 10:10:00 AM
#96:


yay for getting carried for once?

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ToukaOone
12/14/11 11:40:00 AM
#97:


Well yes, those explain the in game factors why he's so strong, but those things have always been true, I'm wondering why people think he's so good now instead of at the beginning.

But I'm guessing it's just people figuring out that he was good and then the rest of the elo brackets catching on.

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Luis_Sera89
12/14/11 11:51:00 AM
#98:


Anyone else playing on the PBE? Would be nice to play with some B8er's for once! You get a crapton of RP and IP, so champions, runes and even skins aren't a problem.

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KanzarisKelshen
12/14/11 12:02:00 PM
#99:


From: ToukaOone | #097
Well yes, those explain the in game factors why he's so strong, but those things have always been true, I'm wondering why people think he's so good now instead of at the beginning.

But I'm guessing it's just people figuring out that he was good and then the rest of the elo brackets catching on.


Sustaining became easier. That's what.

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KanzarisKelshen
12/14/11 12:04:00 PM
#100:


...Daaaaaaaaaaaaamn, Viktor has a noice voice:



So hype for this dude. SO HYPE.

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