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OctilIery
12/24/11 5:18:00 PM
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Or really any hardcore Christian person.

Atheism is as legitimate as any other religious stance. The moment you begin to think it's superior, you become part of the problem.

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XIII_rocks
12/24/11 5:19:00 PM
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oh hey it's this thread again

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EmDubyaSee
12/24/11 5:19:00 PM
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I VEHEMENTLY disagree with this topic.


They are much, Much, MUCH worse.

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Eiladin
12/24/11 5:24:00 PM
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ITT: Delusional hardcore Christians.
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ExThaNemesis
12/24/11 5:24:00 PM
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it's actually much superior as it doesn't enforce discrimination.

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SlymDayspring
12/24/11 5:26:00 PM
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lol "hardcore" atheists

as if there are levels of not believing

I NOT BELIEVE MORE THAN YOU

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CommodoreTN
12/24/11 5:28:00 PM
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From: ExThaNemesis | #005
it's actually much superior as it doesn't enforce discrimination.


Instead of discriminating against a particular religion, they discriminate against all religious people. Worse imo

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redrocket
12/24/11 5:29:00 PM
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This is a new and exciting idea.

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12/24/11 5:30:00 PM
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From: CommodoreTN | #007
they discriminate against all religious people


Atheism does not promote discrimination.


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OctilIery
12/24/11 5:31:00 PM
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ITT: Delusional hardcore Christians.

I'm Agnostic actually >.>;

it's actually much superior as it doesn't enforce discrimination.

Neither does Christianity.

lol "hardcore" atheists

as if there are levels of not believing

I NOT BELIEVE MORE THAN YOU

There's a significant difference between believing there is no god(Atheism is not just not believing) and believing that someone is foolish or idiotic for believing otherwise.

Atheism does not promote discrimination.

The whole issue with hardcore atheism is that you're acting like you're superior to religious believers. That's pretty much discrimination >.>;

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Tom Bombadil
12/24/11 5:35:00 PM
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From: the icon ownz all | Posted: 12/24/2011 7:30:12 PM | #009
Atheism does not promote discrimination.


It promotes discrimination in the same way Christianity does. You think you're right, and therefore it's easy to confuse that with thinking you're better than those other idiots who believe that other thing, and even if you don't, it's difficult to see eye-to-eye with somebody coming at life from an entirely different angle.

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SlymDayspring
12/24/11 5:36:00 PM
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There's a significant difference between believing there is no god(Atheism is not just not believing) and believing that someone is foolish or idiotic for believing otherwise.

that is not a "hardcore" version of atheism. atheism just means you do not believe in god. if you have a problem with people who think they are superior to religious people, just say you don't like people who think they are superior because of religious/lack of religious beliefs, which also includes many religious people (who think they are superior to others who do not share their beliefs they think are correct)



btw religious people are all delusional or simple

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CommodoreTN
12/24/11 5:37:00 PM
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I was going to respond, but Tom said it better than I could've. So that ^

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QuinticWarrior
12/24/11 5:37:00 PM
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The difference between hardcore atheists and Christians is that Christians are more accepting and nicer.

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metroid composite
12/24/11 5:39:00 PM
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I've never had an atheist knock on my door and give me a pamphlet about evolution. Just sayin'.

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OctilIery
12/24/11 5:39:00 PM
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SlymDayspring posted...
There's a significant difference between believing there is no god(Atheism is not just not believing) and believing that someone is foolish or idiotic for believing otherwise.

that is not a "hardcore" version of atheism. atheism just means you do not believe in god. if you have a problem with people who think they are superior to religious people, just say you don't like people who think they are superior because of religious/lack of religious beliefs, which also includes many religious people (who think they are superior to others who do not share their beliefs they think are correct)



btw religious people are all delusional or simple

If you're going to say there's no "hardcore" atheists, you have to say the same for Christians.

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OctilIery
12/24/11 5:40:00 PM
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metroid composite posted...
I've never had an atheist knock on my door and give me a pamphlet about evolution. Just sayin'.

Oh no they respectfully advertised their beliefs! How dare they

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MZero11
12/24/11 5:43:00 PM
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My grandma told me there's 3 things you never discuss publicly: Religion, Politics, and Money.

/topic

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metroid composite
12/24/11 5:44:00 PM
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OctilIery posted...
metroid composite posted...
I've never had an atheist knock on my door and give me a pamphlet about evolution. Just sayin'.

Oh no they respectfully advertised their beliefs! How dare they

I'm not saying that, say, Jehova's Witnesses are disrespectful. But I am saying that I don't like people trying to invite themselves into my home to advertise their beliefs. I find that quite obnoxious, and while I've encountered some obnoxious atheists, going door to door is a level of obnoxiousness they have not yet stooped to.

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tereziWright
12/24/11 5:47:00 PM
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Oh yeah, this is a mother ****in' quality topic right here all around.

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OctilIery
12/24/11 5:47:00 PM
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metroid composite posted...
OctilIery posted...
metroid composite posted...
I've never had an atheist knock on my door and give me a pamphlet about evolution. Just sayin'.

Oh no they respectfully advertised their beliefs! How dare they

I'm not saying that, say, Jehova's Witnesses are disrespectful. But I am saying that I don't like people trying to invite themselves into my home to advertise their beliefs. I find that quite obnoxious, and while I've encountered some obnoxious atheists, going door to door is a level of obnoxiousness they have not yet stooped to.

They don't try and invite themselves in, nor do they attempt to be forcible or persistant. Often, they keep a list of houses who have shown they don't want to be revisited so as NOT to bother people such as that.

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SlymDayspring
12/24/11 5:51:00 PM
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If you're going to say there's no "hardcore" atheists, you have to say the same for Christians.

I have no problem saying that. there are just christians. but there are so many varieties of christians that their beliefs vary wildly.

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VintageGin
12/24/11 5:53:00 PM
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XIII_rocks posted...
oh hey it's this thread again

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Natwaf_akidna
12/24/11 5:54:00 PM
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'tis the season, after all.

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ToukaOone
12/24/11 5:56:00 PM
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I suppose religious people who start cults and protest at funerals are ULTRACORE

why do they get a cool name wtf

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Pondos
12/24/11 5:56:00 PM
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From: OctilIery | #010
it's actually much superior as it doesn't enforce discrimination.

Neither does Christianity.


As long as you just ignore gay people, sure.

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Forceful_Dragon
12/24/11 5:57:00 PM
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As a christian I'll say that I will say that both kinds of extremists are awful. ;_;

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12/24/11 6:00:00 PM
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From: Tom Bombadil | #011
You think you're right, and therefore it's easy to confuse that with thinking you're better than those other idiots who believe that other thing, and even if you don't, it's difficult to see eye-to-eye with somebody coming at life from an entirely different angle.


Atheism is simply a lack of belief in deities and creation myths. This lack of belief does not lead to a sense of superiority. There is no atheist text that a majority of atheists read in which they derive their values and morality from. If atheism leads to anything -- and I'm talking about mature individuals, and not rebellious teens who will act obnoxious and superior about anything, as is their nature -- it's a deference to science and reason, and a humble state of mind. I'd highly recommend you look into the work of Dr. Luke Galen; he's worked tirelessly over the years to dispel certain myths about atheists perpetuated in America, conducting studies on happiness and the social make-up of atheists. He's also a creative force behind the excellent Reasonable Doubts podcast, which sceptically looks at all religions and philosophies.


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12/24/11 6:02:00 PM
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Oh yeah, this is a mother ****in' quality topic right here all around.


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OctilIery
12/24/11 6:04:00 PM
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Pondos posted...
From: OctilIery | #010
it's actually much superior as it doesn't enforce discrimination.

Neither does Christianity.
As long as you just ignore gay people, sure.

Christianity does not support discriminating against gays. Christianity's core values support equal treatment - it is for God to judge, and for you to support everyone.

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ToukaOone
12/24/11 6:08:00 PM
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What the heck does it mean for Christianity or America or Islam or any abstract concept to "support" anything?

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Panthera
12/24/11 6:10:00 PM
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From: OctilIery | #021
They don't try and invite themselves in, nor do they attempt to be forcible or persistant. Often, they keep a list of houses who have shown they don't want to be revisited so as NOT to bother people such as that.


Or they specifically note which houses aren't interested in their stuff and soon enough everyone is aware of how "rude" the people who live there are for not being interested. Which was the experience my family had with this phenomenon while we lived in Germany, though I can't quite remember which group it was that was the problem. To condense: you can't try to pretend there is a definitive way that all members of a given group that does the door to door thing behave, there's definitely some that *do* want to be forcible and persistent (this is probably the first time I've heard anyone act like them persistently trying to invite themselves in isn't normal, for reference)

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Panthera
12/24/11 6:11:00 PM
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From: OctilIery | #030
Christianity does not support discriminating against gays. Christianity's core values support equal treatment - it is for God to judge, and for you to support everyone.


Acting like there is no correlation between Christianity, especially the "hardcore" variety, and supporting discrimination against gay people is pretty silly. There's a reason the most common argument by far against gay marriage is how it's "against God's will"

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foolm0ron
12/24/11 6:12:00 PM
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Atheists are just like Feminists.

The core ideals are perfectly sound and reasonable, and most people who subscribe to the philosophy are cool and keep it personal.

But you only notice the crazy extremists who are no better than what they are trying to oppose.

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OctilIery
12/24/11 6:13:00 PM
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Panthera posted...
From: OctilIery | #021
They don't try and invite themselves in, nor do they attempt to be forcible or persistant. Often, they keep a list of houses who have shown they don't want to be revisited so as NOT to bother people such as that.
Or they specifically note which houses aren't interested in their stuff and soon enough everyone is aware of how "rude" the people who live there are for not being interested. Which was the experience my family had with this phenomenon while we lived in Germany, though I can't quite remember which group it was that was the problem. To condense: you can't try to pretend there is a definitive way that all members of a given group that does the door to door thing behave, there's definitely some that *do* want to be forcible and persistent (this is probably the first time I've heard anyone act like them persistently trying to invite themselves in isn't normal, for reference)

And this is the first I've heard of any of them being forcible about it.

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metroid composite
12/24/11 6:13:00 PM
#36:


OctilIery posted...
They don't try and invite themselves in, nor do they attempt to be forcible or persistant. Often, they keep a list of houses who have shown they don't want to be revisited so as NOT to bother people such as that.

I've had some ask if they could come in and sit down, but that's really not the point.

Christians do this
I haven't seen atheists do this
I find the door to door stuff annoying

OctilIery posted...
Christianity does not support discriminating against gays. Christianity's core values support equal treatment - it is for God to judge, and for you to support everyone.

Well...I would agree that the correct way to interpret the Bible supports gay people (and, in fact, the churches I have attended over the years tend to be pro gay and willing to marry gays).

The problem, as always, is that there`s multiple ways to interpret the Bible. ``support`` means different things to different people--to some Christians support means sending gay people to `cure the gay`camps.

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Gr8CyberMonkey
12/24/11 6:14:00 PM
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I live in a Jewish neighborhood and the Jehova's Witnesses are here at least once a month, always hitting up the same houses. It's pretty obnoxious.

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redrocket
12/24/11 6:15:00 PM
#38:


OctilIery posted...
Pondos posted...
From: OctilIery | #010
Christianity does not support discriminating against gays. Christianity's core values support equal treatment - it is for God to judge, and for you to support everyone.

God literally destroyed two whole cities in the Bible over gay sex. People were turned into pillars of salt just for looking back at the cities as they fled the wrath of God.

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ToukaOone
12/24/11 6:16:00 PM
#39:


foolm0ron posted...
Atheists are just like Feminists.

The core ideals are perfectly sound and reasonable, and most people who subscribe to the philosophy are cool and keep it personal.

But you only notice the crazy extremists who are no better than what they are trying to oppose.

I'm curious, what would you qualify as an atheist crazy extremist, what would you qualify as a feminist crazy extremist and what do you find particularly distasteful about them?

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metroid composite
12/24/11 6:19:00 PM
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redrocket posted...
OctilIery posted...
Pondos posted...
From: OctilIery | #010
Christianity does not support discriminating against gays. Christianity's core values support equal treatment - it is for God to judge, and for you to support everyone.

God literally destroyed two whole cities in the Bible over gay sex. People were turned into pillars of salt just for looking back at the cities as they fled the wrath of God.

Old Testament.

Compare to the New Testament, where the overwhelming theme is "all that stuff I told you you couldn't do? You can do it now." Not to mention, Jesus hangs with and respects all kinds of people that others consider beneath him--lesser human beings he "shouldn't" hang out with (prostitutes, tax collectors, women, children, cripples). It would definitely be on-theme for Jesus to say "it's ok to be gay now"--although he never actually comments on the subject.

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OctilIery
12/24/11 6:19:00 PM
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redrocket posted...
OctilIery posted...
Pondos posted...
From: OctilIery | #010
Christianity does not support discriminating against gays. Christianity's core values support equal treatment - it is for God to judge, and for you to support everyone.

God literally destroyed two whole cities in the Bible over gay sex. People were turned into pillars of salt just for looking back at the cities as they fled the wrath of God.

Yes, the bible makes very clear that homosexuality is anti-Christian and God does not agree.

I never argued that.

I argued that the bible says that YOU are not the one who should be judging or condemning them.

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SlymDayspring
12/24/11 6:31:00 PM
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maybe you should not be judging hardcore atheists

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foolm0ron
12/24/11 6:36:00 PM
#43:


From: ToukaOone | #039
I'm curious, what would you qualify as an atheist crazy extremist, what would you qualify as a feminist crazy extremist and what do you find particularly distasteful about them?


Crazy atheist extremist: You are inferior for believing in a god/Religion is the source of all problems
Crazy feminist extremist: You are inferior for being a man/Men are the source of all problems

Pretty easy to see why I find them "distasteful"

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Pondos
12/24/11 6:40:00 PM
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From: OctilIery | #041
Yes, the bible makes very clear that homosexuality is anti-Christian and God does not agree.

I never argued that.

I argued that the bible says that YOU are not the one who should be judging or condemning them.


I do not understand this.

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ExThaNemesis
12/24/11 6:40:00 PM
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From: foolm0ron | #034
Atheists are just like Feminists.


oh lord

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foolm0ron
12/24/11 6:40:00 PM
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From: metroid composite | #040
Old Testament.


Jeez, is this the only defense Christians ever pull out?

The Old Testament is a book just like the New Testament, you know? Just because it was retconned doesn't mean it should be ignored. In fact, the fact that it was retconned at all is a negative against Christianity in itself. If you can ignore the Old Testament, why not the New Testament?

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foolm0ron
12/24/11 6:41:00 PM
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From: ExThaNemesis | #045
oh lord


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OctilIery
12/24/11 6:44:00 PM
#48:


Pondos posted...
From: OctilIery | #041
Yes, the bible makes very clear that homosexuality is anti-Christian and God does not agree.

I never argued that.

I argued that the bible says that YOU are not the one who should be judging or condemning them.
I do not understand this.

Then you have no place in this discussion.

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ToukaOone
12/24/11 6:47:00 PM
#49:


Crazy atheist extremist: You are inferior for believing in a god/Religion is the source of all problems
Crazy feminist extremist: You are inferior for being a man/Men are the source of all problems

Pretty easy to see why I find them "distasteful"

So can you point to or name anyone who holds those positions?

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OmarsComin
12/24/11 6:50:00 PM
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bad topic

there are some annoying atheists but they are annoying for a variety of reasons, just like any group of annoying people
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