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INCEPTlON
12/27/11 7:28:00 AM
#1:


I am not saying I believe it will sell better at the box office than The Dark Knight, but I do believe it will be the better movie, and the Dark Knight is one of my favorites. Just from watching the trailer I really feel Tom Hardy nailed the menace of Bane/

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paulg235
12/27/11 7:35:00 AM
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It's more likely to end up being the weakest of the 3 than the best, IMO.

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muddersmilk
12/27/11 7:38:00 AM
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It is hard to believe it could be better than TDK considering how much I loved that movie, but I can certainly hope so.

If it is I may finally have a new contender for my all-time favorite movie.

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INCEPTlON
12/27/11 7:40:00 AM
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I just have extreme faith in Tom Hardy. Bane has so much potential, and if you have seen the prologue, you will know that it looks like that potential has been fulfilled

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Sirusavath
12/27/11 7:41:00 AM
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The main problem I see happening is people are going to go into the film with unreasonable expectations and will ultimately feel let down and call it a bad film. I have hopes for the film, but recognize that matching the excellence of the first two might not happen. The preview makes it look excellent and fills me with nerdy glee, but I'm trying to keep my expectations at a realistic level.

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INCEPTlON
12/27/11 7:42:00 AM
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I can respect that point of view.

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SlymDayspring
12/27/11 7:59:00 AM
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I thought begins was better than TDK, and I feel like this one could be the best. If it isn't, it should still be a fantastic movie, but I think it has the potential to be great.

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Biolizard28
12/27/11 8:05:00 AM
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Critically, no, because nothing this movie is capable of could boost public opinion like an actor dying.

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XIII_rocks
12/27/11 8:11:00 AM
#9:


Biolizard28 posted...
Critically, no, because nothing this movie is capable of could boost public opinion like an actor dying.

Caine and Freeman are getting p. old

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TimJab
12/27/11 8:14:00 AM
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People still think Heath Ledger received more credit than he was due for his performance because he d- Oh wait Biolizard. Never mind.
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redrocket
12/27/11 8:16:00 AM
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TimJab posted...
People still think Heath Ledger received more credit than he was due for his performance because he d- Oh wait Biolizard. Never mind.

You're pretty dumb if you think this didn't have any influence.

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CrimsonOcean
12/27/11 8:23:00 AM
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I'm still not 100% convinced of Ann Hathaway as Catwoman. I love her and she's one of my favorite actresses, but I just went and watched the trailer and I dunno. She just seems too bubbly and nice to play Catwoman. Not sure how I feel about that. Not that I don't think she'll do a good job acting wise, I just dunno if I can suspend my disbelief like that.
Bane looks awesome though. Should be a good movie either way.

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TimJab
12/27/11 8:24:00 AM
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Unless you can give me evidence of an Academy voter saying he voted for him because he died, I'm gonna attribute it to his talent.
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XIII_rocks
12/27/11 8:31:00 AM
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It was an amazing performance by Ledger but it's hard to say it was 100% down to his performance.

IMO he deserved it but would I be saying that had he not died? I don't know.

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SlymDayspring
12/27/11 9:18:00 AM
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heath ledger was a great actor to begin with. before batman he was not popular with batman fans because he was in a lot of teen type movies and was a gay cowboy, but he was already respected by movie critics. while people probably were more interested because of his death, he definitely would have gotten props regardless. not many people cared about his other movie that came out after he died, so that probably wasn't entirely the reason.

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muddersmilk
12/27/11 9:23:00 AM
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I really hope Bane is as awesome as he seems in the trailer. I love him in the comics and really want him to actually show how great he is to casual fans.

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Jukkie
12/27/11 9:34:00 AM
#17:


There is only one way to end these movies, and if Nolan does it I will forever love him.

He can't possibly, but if......OMG



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Bane breaks Batman's back. Please Nolan...do it!

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Ainoxi
12/27/11 9:38:00 AM
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After rewatching TDK *spoilers*







the part where the two boats don't blow each other up kind of ruins the movie for me.

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12/27/11 9:40:00 AM
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From: SlymDayspring | #015
not many people cared about his other movie that came out after he died


=(

it's a very good movie!


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AlecTrevelyan006
12/27/11 9:44:00 AM
#20:


Bruce Wayne ends the movie crippled or dead.

BANK ON IT.

It's right in the first movie speech

"A man is just flesh and blood and can be ignored or destroyed. But as a symbol... as a symbol, I can be incorruptible, everlasting."

The man must be defeated, but THE BATMAN endures.

Plus, Nolan's not letting anybody take over this series after him.

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SlymDayspring
12/27/11 9:45:00 AM
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=(

it's a very good movie!

Oh, I know. I saw it. That doesn't change that virtually nobody else did!

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Biolizard28
12/27/11 12:47:00 PM
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From: TimJab | #013
Unless you can give me evidence of an Academy voter saying he voted for him because he died, I'm gonna attribute it to his talent.


First of all, the Academy isn't the only group that matters. It's really not hard to believe that the massive spike in acclaim between Begins and The Dark Knight had something to do with Ledger dying. Mostly though, it was The Joker dying. If, say, Morgan Freeman died before TDK was released, I don't think it would matter nearly as much as Ledger's passing.

Second, the Academy literally hands out pity awards to people who are either on their way out in the industry or are close to shuffling off their mortal coil. Do you honestly believe that an actor's death wouldn't earn bonus points in light of this?

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Emporer_Kazbar
12/27/11 12:51:00 PM
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Emporer_Kazbar
12/27/11 12:51:00 PM
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From: AlecTrevelyan006 | #020
Bruce Wayne ends the movie crippled or dead.

BANK ON IT.

It's right in the first movie speech

"A man is just flesh and blood and can be ignored or destroyed. But as a symbol... as a symbol, I can be incorruptible, everlasting."

The man must be defeated, but THE BATMAN endures.

Plus, Nolan's not letting anybody take over this series after him.


Sounds like the setup for a blockbuster Batman Beyond series to me.

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Metal_DK
12/27/11 12:52:00 PM
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its more likely to be the worst. The joker and ras al gul are by far the two most epic batman villains.

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dethfdddddh
12/27/11 12:58:00 PM
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It depends on what they do with Ra's Al Ghul and whether it leads to Liam Neeson coming back as the antagonist.

The fact that his body was in the prologue suggests that Bane won't be the main villain and that he's merely working for a revived Ra's.

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tereziWright
12/27/11 12:59:00 PM
#27:


AlecTrevelyan006 posted...
Bruce Wayne ends the movie crippled or dead.

BANK ON IT.

It's right in the first movie speech

"A man is just flesh and blood and can be ignored or destroyed. But as a symbol... as a symbol, I can be incorruptible, everlasting."

The man must be defeated, but THE BATMAN endures.

Plus, Nolan's not letting anybody take over this series after him.

Dick Mutha ****in' Grayson

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Silvercross
12/27/11 1:00:00 PM
#28:


Nolan's Batman trilogy is really smelling a lot like the Spider-man trilogy at this point.

1st movie: Good, Lowkey
2nd movie: Easily the best, almost the perfect superhero movie
3rd movie: Over the top, lets make some money

Hopefully Nolan proves me wrong.

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AlecTrevelyan006
12/27/11 1:00:00 PM
#29:


From: dethfdddddh | #027
It depends on what they do with Ra's Al Ghul and whether it leads to Liam Neeson coming back as the antagonist.

The fact that his body was in the prologue suggests that Bane won't be the main villain and that he's merely working for a revived Ra's.


Would a revived Ra's really fit in Nolan's "realistic" Batman world?

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Liquid Wind
12/27/11 1:03:00 PM
#30:


while I don't doubt that ledger dying had a little to do with TDK's hype machine, I think in the end it deserved the praise it got. I'm not a huge batman fan by any stretch of the imagination but that was a legitimately amazing movie
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dethfdddddh
12/27/11 1:06:00 PM
#31:


AlecTrevelyan006 posted...
From: dethfdddddh | #027
It depends on what they do with Ra's Al Ghul and whether it leads to Liam Neeson coming back as the antagonist.

The fact that his body was in the prologue suggests that Bane won't be the main villain and that he's merely working for a revived Ra's.
Would a revived Ra's really fit in Nolan's "realistic" Batman world?

Super advanced medicine instead of Lazarus pits would work.

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Metal_DK
12/27/11 1:08:00 PM
#32:


1st movie: Good, Lowkey
2nd movie: Easily the best, almost the perfect superhero movie
3rd movie: Over the top, lets make some money

Hopefully Nolan proves me wrong.

spider man 2 sucked. Cheesiest movie ive ever seen. Spider man 1 was cheesy too, but spider man 2 was just....pathetic.

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SlymDayspring
12/27/11 1:09:00 PM
#33:


*spoilers*

the bane breaking his back thing will almost definitely happen, but it won't be the end of the movie. nolan wouldn't end the movie like that with loose ends. he is going to have a complete story here.

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dethfdddddh
12/27/11 1:10:00 PM
#34:


Metal_DK posted...
1st movie: Good, Lowkey
2nd movie: Easily the best, almost the perfect superhero movie
3rd movie: Over the top, lets make some money

Hopefully Nolan proves me wrong.

spider man 2 sucked. Cheesiest movie ive ever seen. Spider man 1 was cheesy too, but spider man 2 was just....pathetic.

how is spiderman 2 more cheesy than spiderman 3

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Aecioo
12/27/11 1:10:00 PM
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To be fair, it was a really weak year for supporting actor.

Ledger would have won if he was alive or dead that year, imo.

Now, other years... dunno

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Metal_DK
12/27/11 1:45:00 PM
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how is spiderman 2 more cheesy than spiderman 3

its not. I was comparing it to spider man 1. Spiderman 3 was by far the worst. Its just that 2 seems to be praised as the best one, when it was a ton worse than 1. The whole series is pretty bad though.

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bryans7
12/27/11 1:52:00 PM
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Hope so, Tom Hardy is incredible.

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SlymDayspring
12/27/11 1:59:00 PM
#38:


I have never understood people criticizing the spiderman movies for being cheesy

it is spiderman.

spiderman.

have you never read him? he is not some dark brooding hero. he cracks jokes and his villains are cheesy as hell.

don't get me wrong, those movies aren't perfect or anything, but that specific complaint is a bit silly to me.

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LeonhartFour
12/27/11 2:21:00 PM
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Yeah, I don't really have a problem with Spidey movies being cheesy. That's part of the charm for me, honestly.

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Metal_DK
12/27/11 2:23:00 PM
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its just something that doesn't translate well to movies. I mean the ending scene of spider man 2 with

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Mary Jane running in slow motion with her wedding dress on and that lol smirk on her face
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was just the dumbest thing I ever saw. Cheesy one-liners when you take out a villain is fine for something like a spider man movie. But the cheesiness mostly came from relationships and the "peter parker drama" parts of the movie. It wasnt good. All three of them werent good honestly. But the order is 1 > 2 >>>> 3. 1 being about a 6/10, 2 being about a 5, and 3 being like a 2/10.

Its like how video games in general don't translate well into movies. I mean the Mario games of the late 80s/early 90s are some of the best games ever made, yet the movie in 1993 was....well...

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LeonhartFour
12/27/11 2:26:00 PM
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From: Metal_DK | #040
Its like how video games in general don't translate well into movies. I mean the Mario games of the late 80s/early 90s are some of the best games ever made, yet the movie in 1993 was....well...


A lot of the problems with movies based on video games is that they don't stay faithful to source material. Super Mario Bros. is a pretty good example of that.

I thought the Spidey movies did a pretty good job of staying faithful to source material.

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XIII_rocks
12/27/11 2:26:00 PM
#42:


From: Aecioo | #035
To be fair, it was a really weak year for supporting actor.

Ledger would have won if he was alive or dead that year, imo.

Now, other years... dunno


I don't think he would have, if only because it's a comic-book hollywood movie. For TDK to even be nominated for best picture that year was insane.

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Highwind89
12/27/11 2:28:00 PM
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It didn't get nominated for best picture cause the academy is a joke.

I think Dark Knight Rises will be phenomenal.
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Sorozone
12/27/11 2:31:00 PM
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Yes.

Though I think 1 > 2, and I like Bane more than Joker. Catwoman stuff could bog the movie down though.

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Highwind89
12/27/11 2:32:00 PM
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Catwoman is the only thing I am really worried about
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XIII_rocks
12/27/11 2:42:00 PM
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From: Highwind89 | #043
It didn't get nominated for best picture cause the academy is a joke.


Well yeah, but that kind of meshes with my point.

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