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TomNook7
12/27/11 3:21:00 PM
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It starts out amazing but eventually...backtracking and scavenger hunts ahoy. I'm 40 hours in and now I'm beating it just to beat it. That shouldn't have happened. Why was this so critically acclaimed again?

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ShadowHalo17
12/27/11 3:23:00 PM
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I don't know, people are weird.

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TomNook7
12/27/11 3:24:00 PM
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nice comma splice

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neonreap
12/27/11 3:25:00 PM
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it gets worse than the first 2 hours? how is that possible

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Sorozone
12/27/11 3:26:00 PM
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Yeah, the majority of the ending stuff really irritated me. Didn't completely ruin the whole thing, but greatly diminished it, and I don't even mind fetchquests(I actually like WW's fetchquest), but there is so many at the end and they just keep coming and coming.

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ShadowHalo17
12/27/11 3:27:00 PM
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From: TomNook7 | #003
nice comma splice


...thanks?

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TomNook7
12/27/11 3:30:00 PM
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Why am I searching this giant pool of water for all these tiny little notes

it's like this game has become my second job

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LowCalorieH2O
12/27/11 3:46:00 PM
#8:


same ol' Zelda

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TomNook7
12/27/11 3:48:00 PM
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LowCalorieH2O posted...
same ol' Zelda

Hardly, troll.

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PrivateBiscuit1
12/27/11 4:04:00 PM
#10:


You're on 40 hours and you ONLY got to the music notes part?

That's impressively slow.

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foolm0ron
12/27/11 4:04:00 PM
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The third act was kinda tedious, yeah, but not bad. The Eldin stuff was pretty cool and creative. Seeing Faron Woods all flooded was cool too, but swimming around sucks.

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LowCalorieH2O
12/27/11 4:08:00 PM
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From: TomNook7 | #009
Hardly, troll.


Doing dumb s***t you don't want to do?

Zelda fo' sho'

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EmDubyaSee
12/27/11 4:10:00 PM
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neonreap posted...
it gets worse than the first 2 hours? how is that possible

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foolm0ron
12/27/11 4:11:00 PM
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From: EmDubyaSee | #013
Don't you ever tire of being you?


love that song

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Azp2k32
12/27/11 4:27:00 PM
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They really did f*** up the pacing; it slows down majorly after the 3rd dungeon and after the 6th it just slows to a standstill due to stupid s*** like that tadtone quest. The final ending sequence is very worth it, however.

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TomNook7
12/27/11 7:51:00 PM
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....ANOTHER silent realm??

come the f on

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GTM
12/27/11 7:54:00 PM
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From: PrivateBiscuit1 | #010
You're on 40 hours and you ONLY got to the music notes part?

That's impressively slow.


I'm ~50-60 hours in and that's what I jsut beat >_>;

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PrivateBiscuit1
12/27/11 7:54:00 PM
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The silent realms were fun, I thought!

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TomNook7
12/27/11 7:56:00 PM
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
The silent realms were fun, I thought!

man im so glad people like you are at large in the gaming community

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tereziWright
12/27/11 7:58:00 PM
#20:


WTF 40 hours.

I beat it in 38 and I feel like I did pretty much everything that mattered.

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ShadowHalo17
12/27/11 8:05:00 PM
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ITT: people don't have different paces when playing through games.

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foolm0ron
12/27/11 8:08:00 PM
#22:


Silent realm enjoyment depended on the area in which they were in. Faron Woods was super fun to run around, Eldin sucked, last one was cool too.

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PartOfYourWorld
12/27/11 8:11:00 PM
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It took me 56 hours to 100% the game.

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SHINE GET 64
12/27/11 8:28:00 PM
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48 hours for me for 100%

Silent Realms literally take 3 minutes. What's to be upset about?

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TomNook7
12/27/11 8:33:00 PM
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SHINE GET 64 posted...
48 hours for me for 100%

Silent Realms literally take 3 minutes. What's to be upset about?

They take 10-15 for me. I usually fail once or twice before I finally get it. Getting the tears all over again (let alone the first time) is monotonous and ruins the pace. There is literally no point for these things to exist. Especially not four of them. This is not good game design.

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SHINE GET 64
12/27/11 8:34:00 PM
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but

they're so easy

WHAT'S WRONG

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TomNook7
12/27/11 8:35:00 PM
#27:


Let alone that whole flooded Faron Woods segment. That was worse than all of the silent realms put together.

Throw backtracking on top of that and we've got the weakest Zelda since Phantom Hourglass.

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foolm0ron
12/27/11 8:37:00 PM
#28:


Silent Realms were great though. They made you feel like, after being confused and new to the area earlier in the game, now you have mastered the place.

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SHINE GET 64
12/27/11 8:37:00 PM
#29:


(psst psst I don't know if you realize this but every Zelda has had backtracking)

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tereziWright
12/27/11 8:39:00 PM
#30:


SS's backtracking is, like...the least repetitive we've ever gotten in the series.

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TomNook7
12/27/11 8:40:00 PM
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And why doesn't Link's Loftwing have a name? And why did they give you the illusion of control for when you should let loose the parachute? And why is there so much dowsing? And why is there an item similar to FLUDD?

This game is just full of strange design decisions...and that's coming from someone who likes the motion controls.

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Liquid Wind
12/27/11 8:41:00 PM
#32:


only bad thing about the silent realms was the ridiculous cutscene for guardians awakening that plays every time and is unskippable, little things like that and the slow text and fi's constant meddling...you can see in SS that nintendo regained the creativity that WW and TP lacked but it traded some of the refinement for that, there are parts of SS where you just wonder if anyone on that dev team has any idea what the hell they're doing
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SupremeZero
12/27/11 8:42:00 PM
#33:


From: TomNook7 | #031
And why doesn't Link's Loftwing have a name? And why did they give you the illusion of control for when you should let loose the parachute? And why is there so much dowsing? And why is there an item similar to FLUDD?

This game is just full of strange design decisions...and that's coming from someone who likes the motion controls.


... the Gust Jar popped up before Skyward Sword, yknow.

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SHINE GET 64
12/27/11 8:43:00 PM
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TomNook7
12/27/11 8:46:00 PM
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oh yeah i forgot about that

Man, I know people feel the need to defend this game and all, but Skyward Sword definitely pales in comparison to stuff like Majoras Mask and Okami. I mean, in the end it's still a decent game but still....

i can't help but feel drained by all these flaws

why edge

why did this become one of your few 10/10s

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firebotslash
12/27/11 8:47:00 PM
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I liked the backtracking aspect. Especially how areas were different every time you explored them (flooded Faron Woods, dark Eldin, etc).

The tadtones part was AWFUL though. So was the escort mission and some of the other nonsense that's just pointless filler like battling the Imprisoned over and over.

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TomNook7
12/27/11 8:49:00 PM
#37:


firebotslash posted...
battling the Imprisoned over and over.

the worst

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firebotslash
12/27/11 8:49:00 PM
#38:


The Imprisoned is almost as bad as Phantom Hourglass's stupid temple of the ocean king. Imagine if you had to fight the Imprisoned between every dungeon... oh my god.

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Liquid Wind
12/27/11 8:49:00 PM
#39:


backtracking is good when done well(metroid prime, super metroid for instance). some of the backtracking in SS is just terrible, especially when they make you go back in skyview and the door is relocked, wtf is that? it'd be one thing if they let you progress quickly to the back of the dungeon again and then there was an additional few rooms you couldn't reach before because you didn't have the right item, but that was just idiotic.
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FFaddict1313
12/27/11 8:50:00 PM
#40:


same

old

zelda

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tereziWright
12/27/11 8:50:00 PM
#41:


I'm not so sure we're even disagreeing here, it's just that we respond differently to the same issues? I think you're overreacting big time, but SS to me is like a 7.5/10, which I consider pretty good.

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Sorozone
12/27/11 8:51:00 PM
#42:


From: TomNook7 | #035
Man, I know people feel the need to defend this game and all, but Skyward Sword definitely pales in comparison to stuff like Majoras Mask and Okami. I mean, in the end it's still a decent game but still...


Don't worry I feel the same way. It's the worst 3D Zelda game.

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tereziWright
12/27/11 8:52:00 PM
#43:


From: Liquid Wind | #037
especially when they make you go back in skyview and the door is relocked, wtf is that?


um

what

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foolm0ron
12/27/11 8:53:00 PM
#44:


From: TomNook7 | #031
This game is just full of strange design decisions...and that's coming from someone who knows absolutely nothing about game design


Yeah, I've been reading the SS board a bit and I find a lot of this.

I have to keep reminding myself that these are just Nintendo fans and they have always been like this.

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firebotslash
12/27/11 8:54:00 PM
#45:


tereziWright posted...
From: Liquid Wind | #037
especially when they make you go back in skyview and the door is relocked, wtf is that?
um

what

Before the 4th dungeon you have to go back into the first temple and one of the doors is relocked. That backtracking was a little tedious too but not horrible. At least, aside from the trials, they switch it up.

They can't win though. People complained there wasn't enough between the dungeons of TP (the later ones at least). If anything this game is more like MM where the dungeons are shorter and spaced out and there's more to do outside.

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Sorozone
12/27/11 8:56:00 PM
#46:


From: firebotslash | #045
If anything this game is more like MM where the dungeons are shorter and spaced out and there's more to do outside.


MM did this a billion times better though. That's the problem. Also, I'm just not a fan of skyloft, I'd rather run around, than fly around. At least make warp points.

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TomNook7
12/27/11 8:56:00 PM
#47:


foolm0ron posted...
From: TomNook7 | #031
This game is just full of strange design decisions...and that's coming from someone who knows absolutely nothing about game design
Yeah, I've been reading the SS board a bit and I find a lot of this.

I have to keep reminding myself that these are just Nintendo fans and they have always been like this.

i bet ive played more, better, and worse games than you

how much do you wanna bet

ive also worked on indie games


Games probably gonna be a 7.5 for me as well

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SHINE GET 64
12/27/11 8:57:00 PM
#48:


It is true that Skyward Sword could have benefit from a Bomber's Journal

If it had that and the town followed a schedule it probably would have surpassed MM as my favorite in the series

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Liquid Wind
12/27/11 9:01:00 PM
#49:


They can't win though. People complained there wasn't enough between the dungeons of TP (the later ones at least). If anything this game is more like MM where the dungeons are shorter and spaced out and there's more to do outside.

this game should never be compared to a masterpiece like MM.

that being said backtracking can work, it just needs to be streamlined. having to reopen doors and sitting through unskippable cinematics and fi hand holding are no nos, bad game design. revisiting areas can be a good thing but those areas can't be a hinderance, SM and MP do this right because you're constantly becoming more powerful and more mobile, you can usually zip through areas you've been through before to get to the new area
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firebotslash
12/27/11 9:01:00 PM
#50:


Sorozone posted...
From: firebotslash | #045
If anything this game is more like MM where the dungeons are shorter and spaced out and there's more to do outside.
MM did this a billion times better though. That's the problem. Also, I'm just not a fan of skyloft, I'd rather run around, than fly around. At least make warp points.

I don't understand why you can't warp between bird statues. You can do it from the sky. Why do you have to go to the sky, drop back down, and pick a different bird statue?

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