Board 8 > girl gamers are uniting!

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Metal_DK
12/28/11 11:13:00 PM
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pjbasis
12/28/11 11:15:00 PM
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It was muted.

But I couldn't finish it either way.

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SuperAngelo128
12/28/11 11:22:00 PM
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that was kinda uh

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ShadowHalo17
12/28/11 11:22:00 PM
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"I play on Gamecube."

Oh you're cool.

"iPhone"

YOU ARE NOT A GAMER YOU POSER GET THE HELL OUT

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Brayze_II
12/28/11 11:27:00 PM
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that's a lot of white girls with important feelings

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foolm0ron
12/28/11 11:28:00 PM
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And now for a video that is FAR more beneficial to the perception of female gamers everywhere (and probably the best Mega64 video):

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crazyisgood
12/28/11 11:41:00 PM
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I don't care who you are as a gamer all i care about is your skill and ability at the game.

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GaryOak151
12/28/11 11:44:00 PM
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I couldn't give two craps about skill or ability. Gender is all thats important.

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GenesisSaga
12/28/11 11:45:00 PM
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Huh. Well that was certainly something.

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jdizzy156
12/28/11 11:54:00 PM
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I couldn't finish it.

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KingBartz
12/29/11 12:05:00 AM
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From: jdizzy156 | #010
I couldn't finish it.



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YetAnothrShadow
12/29/11 12:05:00 AM
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HEY GUYS I PLAY ANGRY BIRDS I'M TOTALLY A GAMER.

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WaIker
12/29/11 12:16:00 AM
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if this was a "you laugh you lose" i wouldn't have made it.

i was so close, but in the end, in the list of girls in it, i saw "lady zombie sparkles" as a credit and lost it.

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ExThaNemesis
12/29/11 12:18:00 AM
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From: WaIker | #013
i saw "lady zombie sparkles" as a credit and lost it.


same

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Phase
12/29/11 12:37:00 AM
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K, I understand girls. If you don't suck, it's generally not an issue. The problem is, you suck. I mean, this is typical. I would say 90% of gamers suck at it. The bigger problem is, like around 75% of other people playing, you're worse than me. And I'm already bad. This means yes, you are going to get trash talked. Suck it up.

Except for the Atari, Gamecube, and iPhone person. Because, you know, wtf are you interacting with?

Also on the topic of iPhones, GTFO, fate/stay in the...bus with your casual games of mediocre quality and ports of real games with awful controls.

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Wanglicious
12/29/11 1:09:00 AM
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username makes video.

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RappinHobo9292
12/29/11 1:17:00 AM
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foolm0ron
12/29/11 1:21:00 AM
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From: RappinHobo9292 | #017


This guy is a ****ing genius

I think there were videos of him on like CS:S and stuff also

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foolm0ron
12/29/11 1:30:00 AM
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I dunno if it's the same guy, sounds similar

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Azp2k32
12/29/11 1:35:00 AM
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Wanglicious posted...
username makes video.

Seriously. They undermined everything that they're trying to fight against before their video even started and they could even undermine it further.

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TheRock1525
12/29/11 1:43:00 AM
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foolm0ron posted...


I dunno if it's the same guy, sounds similar


I remember this one. Laughed at my ass off when he said "Drawerings."

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NeoElfboy
12/29/11 2:00:00 AM
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Eh, if you don't realise the video says things that need saying, you've clearly never seen how women get treated in online multiplayer. I had no real trouble taking it seriously, as such.

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YetAnothrShadow
12/29/11 2:19:00 AM
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From: NeoElfboy | #022
Eh, if you don't realise the video says things that need saying, you've clearly never seen how women get treated in online multiplayer. I had no real trouble taking it seriously, as such.


" I play iphone "

Needs to be said.

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foolm0ron
12/29/11 2:23:00 AM
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From: NeoElfboy | #022
Eh, if you don't realise the video says things that need saying, you've clearly never seen how women get treated in online multiplayer. I had no real trouble taking it seriously, as such.


The intent is definitely fine and deserved, but what is actually said, the way it's delivered, it just fails really hard.

Most gamer girls realize that if they just don't give a ****, no one will make a big deal about it either, which is how 99% of the internet works. But in the same way, if you highlight your femaleness at all, you can get mounds of attention, and some girls just can't resist (this video's author included).

I mean sure you might say that the problem is that girls attract attention by default, but that comes from the fact that like 5-10% of online gamers are female at most, that makes them sort of celebrities. Couple this with the fact that online gamers are awkward as **** when it comes to celebrities, and that's what you get.

It's like if Robin Walker or even someone semi-famous like STAR shows up on a TF2 server, people get weird as hell. It's because they are rare and interesting, not because they are female.

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GuessMyUserName
12/29/11 2:34:00 AM
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From: foolm0ron | Posted: 12/29/2011 5:23:13 AM | #024
Couple this with the fact that online gamers are awkward as **** when it comes to celebrities


more like couple this with gamers being awkward with women!

I mean look at me

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VintageGin
12/29/11 2:41:00 AM
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foolm0ron posted...


I dunno if it's the same guy, sounds similar


I don't think it's the same guy, but that guy is really good at what he does:



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Shadowwolf1015
12/29/11 2:53:00 AM
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Why do I even come to this board anymore?

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Azp2k32
12/29/11 3:00:00 AM
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foolm0ron posted...
Most gamer girls realize that if they just don't give a ****, no one will make a big deal about it either, which is how 99% of the internet works. But in the same way, if you highlight your femaleness at all, you can get mounds of attention, and some girls just can't resist (this video's author included).

I mean sure you might say that the problem is that girls attract attention by default, but that comes from the fact that like 5-10% of online gamers are female at most, that makes them sort of celebrities. Couple this with the fact that online gamers are awkward as **** when it comes to celebrities, and that's what you get.


The perception of them attracting attention by default is largely because of the overwhelming tendency among the people known to be female to whore out their gender for attention. While you will attract some unwanted attention inevitably by being a female if people know, it's all about the manner with which girls address it. The problem is that it seems like girls always get these disproportionate amounts of attention thanks to these select few, while there are plenty more "gamer girls" out there who just don't feel the need to make sure everyone knows they're female for the sake of attention and thusly don't really get seen. Which, isn't a problem in one way-there's no need to label gamers by gender like that, though unfortunately due to all the societal assumptions that "oh everyone's a guy and MMO players just pretend to be girls," the "gamer females" end up represented by a incredibly small but vocal and obnoxious section of their people, some of which apparently decided that they wanted to get more attention by complaining that after whoring out the fact that they're female for attention that they got attention.

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__Smurf__
12/29/11 3:14:00 AM
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I got as far as "pwn", too difficult to continue.

Would like to think the gaming industry got past all this 10 years ago. The whole "girl gamer" tag is getting a bit old at this stage in truth, most girls game these days. You aren't so special.

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__Smurf__
12/29/11 4:22:00 AM
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"Don't treat me differently or sexualize me because of my gender!" said SexyNerdGirl, sexualizing herself and reminding everyone of her gender.

Also lol at this. I didn't realise the creators username, says it all. I guess this is the online equivalent of the women wearing skimpy clothes and complaining when people look. The only way they'll go away is if people ignore them altogether.

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Biolizard28
12/29/11 5:36:00 AM
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I don't think females are ever going to be fully accepted in an online gaming environment, mostly because we kind of shut ourselves out of it culturally. A substantial amount of male online gamers either go in to full ape mode around a female, and his only interest becomes obtaining nudes ASAP, or the last few hold outs of the boy's club mentality, where they believe that women just shouldn't be playing video games. While I don't think the video is necessarily wrong in the message it's trying to send out, it's definitely detrimental to the cause when your gender is your online gaming identity. If the comments are any indication (I know, lol youtube comments) fewer people care about gender than we think. Frankly, if they feel that they're not welcome in online environments because of beta males and misogynists, I have to wonder how they got through high school.



And this is pretty much my favorite video of all time. Not for the troll, but for the exposure of a legion of white knights that will jump at the chance to have an in with a girl they'll never meet. F***ers are holding us back.

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VincentLauw
12/29/11 6:11:00 AM
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From: foolm0ron | #006
And now for a video that is FAR more beneficial to the perception of female gamers everywhere (and probably the best Mega64 video):


that's a perfect parody if I've ever seen one

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__Smurf__
12/29/11 6:35:00 AM
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From: Biolizard28 | #031
A substantial amount of male online gamers either go in to full ape mode around a female, and his only interest becomes obtaining nudes ASAP, or the last few hold outs of the boy's club mentality, where they believe that women just shouldn't be playing video game


What you're describing is basically the FPS online community and nowhere else.

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Red Shifter
12/29/11 7:07:00 AM
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i once watched a "girl gamer" try to play a fake tribes game on a stream

i knew i would see something "special", but i didn't realize how "special"

she literally walked up to a base turret 3 times in a row and got destroyed each time, then complained

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saveus_Maria
12/29/11 7:27:00 AM
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From: RappinHobo9292 | #017


oh god what the

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Biolizard28
12/29/11 8:07:00 AM
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From: __Smurf__ | #033
What you're describing is basically the FPS online community and nowhere else.


How does B8 treat its women?

Specifically, its attractive women.

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FateStayAlbion
12/29/11 8:11:00 AM
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Is it just me or does BJ kinda not fit with those other icons of gaming

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PrivateBiscuit1
12/29/11 8:15:00 AM
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It was probably a joke and to say "Look! I'm a female and I know an obscure game character!"

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Metal_DK
12/29/11 8:18:00 AM
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i just thought it was funny because

1) if these girls had to go a week without getting any attention from men theyd hate their lives

2) the username of the girl who uploaded it is "sexynerdgamergirl" or whatever. Really hypocritical.

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metroid composite
12/29/11 8:21:00 AM
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Azp2k32 posted...
The perception of them attracting attention by default is largely because of the overwhelming tendency among the people known to be female to whore out their gender for attention. While you will attract some unwanted attention inevitably by being a female if people know, it's all about the manner with which girls address it. The problem is that it seems like girls always get these disproportionate amounts of attention thanks to these select few, while there are plenty more "gamer girls" out there who just don't feel the need to make sure everyone knows they're female for the sake of attention and thusly don't really get seen. Which, isn't a problem in one way-there's no need to label gamers by gender like that, though unfortunately due to all the societal assumptions that "oh everyone's a guy and MMO players just pretend to be girls," the "gamer females" end up represented by a incredibly small but vocal and obnoxious section of their people, some of which apparently decided that they wanted to get more attention by complaining that after whoring out the fact that they're female for attention that they got attention.

Oh please.

I've had people whom I didn't tell my gender, guess based on my avatar, and then proceed to send me messages like "I have a fat cock for u". These are people to whom I had no intention of divulging any information about my real life.

Hell, look at board 8. I refused to tell people on GameFAQs my gender for a long time (because one of my friends who had done so ended up with like...four different GameFAQs stalkers). But hey: I've been a game developer for years, told B8 about experiences at GDC and E3. You'd think would be a bigger deal than gender. And yet, a couple years ago my gender leaked on B8, and these days it seems like if you ask the average B8er what they know about me, the only thing they know is my gender.

So...all the people saying that male gamers don't even care anymore...BS. Board 8 is a living demonstration that gamers care more about gender than they do about being a game developer.

__Smurf__ posted...
What you're describing is basically the FPS online community and nowhere else.

I've literally been harassed and asked for sex while playing online puzzle games.

Admittedly there isn't a boy's club around puzzle games, but there are other boy's clubs out there. Magic the Gathering jumps to mind. Hell, there was an article about the boy's club mentality on SSG recently:

http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/misc/22786_To_My_Someday_Daughter.html

(Athough whether the magic scene is worse than the FPS scene is open for debate; I participated in a grand prix a year ago, and didn't feel harassed, so...dunno).

I can't really comment on fighting games having never played one online, but I imagine they're not much better than FPSs (certainly they seem to have a worse gender ratio at tournaments when I've watched streams). So...yeah, it's not purely FPSs.

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The Mana Sword
12/29/11 8:25:00 AM
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Not really sure what this video is trying to accomplish. Normal, well-adjusted people probably aren't going to care about the gender of someone online, and the creepers aren't going to be swayed by a video.

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metroid composite
12/29/11 8:29:00 AM
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Metal_DK posted...
1) if these girls had to go a week without getting any attention from men theyd hate their lives

BS

I think I've known one female gamer ever who fit that kind of description. (Coworker of mine...and we fired her pretty damn fast because god damn she was useless at life). 90% of female gamers I've known or seen interviewed spent a long time actively searching for servers/forums/etc where nobody cared or made a big deal about gender.

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__Smurf__
12/29/11 8:32:00 AM
#43:


From: Biolizard28 | #036
How does B8 treat its women?

Specifically, its attractive women.


I barely know who the women are in this place let alone if any of them could be classed as attractive. If those are the kind of details you're defining about people on a message board I think you might be part of the problem going on here.

(I don't know is the answer)

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Biolizard28
12/29/11 8:36:00 AM
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From: metroid composite | #040
I've been a game developer for years


Wait, seriously?

We really are bad at this.

(And I know this is irrelevant, but who do you work for?)

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Biolizard28
12/29/11 8:42:00 AM
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From: Metal_DK | #045
And id like to hear your response to the 2nd part of my statement instead of being one of those "pick and choose" posters.


It was addressed several times in this topic alone, including in my post.

Why are you going to make her beat a dead horse?

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Metal_DK
12/29/11 8:43:00 AM
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BS

I think I've known one female gamer ever who fit that kind of description. (Coworker of mine...and we fired her pretty damn fast because god damn she was useless at life). 90% of female gamers I've known or seen interviewed spent a long time actively searching for servers/forums/etc where nobody cared or made a big deal about gender.


if the girl is even somewhat hot, she will more likely than not want attention from men in her life. If you would ask a girl "would you never get attention from men, or always get attention from men?", which do you think theyd choose?

And id like to hear your response to the 2nd part of my statement instead of being one of those "pick and choose" posters.

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Metal_DK
12/29/11 8:44:00 AM
#47:


fair enough

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metroid composite
12/29/11 9:16:00 AM
#48:


Biolizard28 posted...
From: metroid composite | #040
I've been a game developer for years
Wait, seriously?

We really are bad at this.

(And I know this is irrelevant, but who do you work for?)


For five years I worked for Activision (Shaba in particular--worked on Gun, DJ Hero, Spiderman Web of Shadows, and a few others).

For the past year and a half I worked for CCP (working mostly on World of Darkness, and a small amount on EVE Online).

In January I'll start work with Naughty Dog; not sure what project I'll be on.

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metroid composite
12/29/11 9:42:00 AM
#49:


Metal_DK posted...
And id like to hear your response to the 2nd part of my statement instead of being one of those "pick and choose" posters.

Are you asking for my personal response? (Hint: I'm not heterosexual, and generally wear makeup only if I have an interview or are going to a gay bar. Take a guess).

If you're asking for a generalized response...I can certainly think of heterosexual girls who sought out gaming websites where they would not be harassed or given special attention for their gender...and then five years later ended up dating someone from that website. And I suppose you're arguing that this is hypocritical, but I'm not sure it is. The point is, girls generally don't come to gaming websites looking for love; girls come to gaming websites looking to do gaming stuff. And sure: if you spend a lot of time hanging around with people of the appropriate gender, sometimes romance will happen. This is how office romances get started, even though most people recognize that it's a bad idea to hook up with your coworkers. I certainly wouldn't automatically point a finger at the woman and say "aha, you were just seeking attention all this time!" Frankly, if you're female on a gaming message board, and want to hook up with a male from the board, and it takes you FIVE years to find a willing male? You're doing something wrong.

I suspect most hetersexual gamer girls would rather something like: not receive inappropriate attention on gaming message boards/voice chats...but do receive that kind of attention on dating websites. It's a compartmentalization thing. When you just want to screw around with a game, and are possibly already dating someone anyway, you're generally not interested in sexual advances.

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LamdaMax
12/29/11 10:02:00 AM
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I can honestly say I was aware metroid composite was a game developer but had no idea about gender until this topic.

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