Board 8 > Welp, worst night of the year

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vcharon
01/14/12 2:09:00 AM
#1:


Woooooo

The year is young though, I'm sure I will top this low by March.




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XIII_rocks
01/14/12 2:42:00 AM
#2:


What happened

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vcharon
01/14/12 2:56:00 AM
#3:


Started off with a loss in hours for at least the next week to two guys who are totally incompetent. No big deal, completely typical and only a minor annoyance. Came home and realize that my site admin had decided we should "reshuffle" and "try something else" so instead of Webmaster I get to be some guy's underling who was rehired. Guy walked out, abandoned the website and community because he couldn't get his way. He has no people skills and just yells at everyone, wants to run the site alone and now I basically get to be his secretary. I got the guy the position on the site in the first place and he folded in six months; I've been part of the site for eight years and have devoted almost a decade of my life to it. The realization that eight years of my time are not equal to some goon's six months of whining and bickering really stings.

Then to top it all off, my writing partner wants to change an extremely important part of the story so her character can live happily ever after with a deceased ex. This one is a long story, so that's about all the explanation I can give. The original plotline has her finding happiness in the future and with someone who shared the burden of loss with her for several years (vague description of the fiction). It's just completely horrendous that she wants to go with that path, and since she's a girl I can't tell her I profusely disagree.

tl;dr: It was a pretty nice night, I think. Cast out by two of the few places I really felt like I belonged to.

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vcharon
01/14/12 3:02:00 AM
#4:


I appreciate the asking, by the way. Strange I picked the place I am so reviled at to vent. Desperate times.

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nintendogirl1
01/14/12 6:02:00 AM
#5:


From: vcharon | #003
since she's a girl I can't tell her I profusely disagree.

... yes you can.

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Ayuyu
01/14/12 6:04:00 AM
#6:


From: vcharon | #003
and since she's a girl I can't tell her I profusely disagree.


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CrimsonOcean
01/14/12 6:05:00 AM
#7:


What are you saying ngirl? Ladies are magical creatures that must be coddled for survival.

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metroid composite
01/14/12 6:08:00 AM
#8:


nintendogirl1 posted...
From: vcharon | #003
since she's a girl I can't tell her I profusely disagree.

... yes you can.


This.

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SuorGenoveffa
01/14/12 7:31:00 AM
#9:


nintendogirl1 posted...
From: vcharon | #003
since she's a girl I can't tell her I profusely disagree.

... yes you can.


You can and you should.

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special_sauce
01/14/12 7:53:00 AM
#11:


From: vcharon | #003
since she's a girl I can't tell her I profusely disagree.


wat?

More like you CAN be like "I'm the man and thus I'm right, you're stupid"

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metroid composite
01/14/12 8:06:00 AM
#12:


special_sauce posted...
More like you CAN be like "I'm the man and thus I'm right, you're stupid"

Ok, to be fair, in all likelihood saying it like that would backfire unless you traveled back in time to 1950. >_>

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ChichiriMuyo
01/14/12 8:41:00 AM
#13:


An ending like the one she is proposing undermines the value of the story that comes before it. Not only can you tell her you disagree, you should. And you should be very clear in explaining the fact that such an ending doesn't fit with the rest of the story.

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GenesisSaga
01/14/12 8:43:00 AM
#14:


nintendogirl1 posted...
From: vcharon | #003
since she's a girl I can't tell her I profusely disagree.

... yes you can.


Gotta agree with ngirl here.

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GenesisSaga
01/14/12 8:45:00 AM
#15:


It's not like every girl will burst into tears or unleash hell's fury if you provide a legitimate reason as to why an idea of hers isn't perfect.

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vcharon
01/14/12 11:41:00 AM
#16:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Wait, did something happen at the MK forum?

That really sucks


Yes.


And I'm pretty sure I know this particular one will react badly. It's also kind of pointless to mention it because if she already wants something like that to happen it kind of paints a picture that the idea will always be present, which is about just as bad as it actually existing.

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Not_Wylvane
01/14/12 11:49:00 AM
#17:


Yeah, f*** other people's opinions. Co-writing shouldn't have anything to do with compromising the ideas of both authors.

Maybe you should feel it out and see why she feels so passionately about this decision. Who knows, maybe you'll pick up some insight and find a way to fit it in into a logical end. It's not like depressing ending = great story or happy ending = horrible story. Work together with your partner to make the idea work, unless her input is meaningless to you or something.

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Wanglicious
01/14/12 11:50:00 AM
#18:


forum one really sucks. no chance to talk to the site admin either i take it.
second one yeah, you need to bite the bullet and tell her straight that doing so would worsen the story.

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banananor
01/14/12 11:50:00 AM
#19:


this topic kind of makes me mad

edit: in that you won't voice your logical opinions because you're afraid someone (specifically because they are a girl) will get mad

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banananor
01/14/12 11:54:00 AM
#20:


also uh

i might be the only person in the dark here, but what forum/story/business are you talking about here?

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foolm0ron
01/14/12 11:58:00 AM
#21:


From: GenesisSaga | #015
legitimate reason


If you've ever interacted with a girl, you would know this rarely works

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vcharon
01/14/12 12:06:00 PM
#22:


Not_Wylvane posted...
Yeah, f*** other people's opinions. Co-writing shouldn't have anything to do with compromising the ideas of both authors.

Maybe you should feel it out and see why she feels so passionately about this decision. Who knows, maybe you'll pick up some insight and find a way to fit it in into a logical end. It's not like depressing ending = great story or happy ending = horrible story. Work together with your partner to make the idea work, unless her input is meaningless to you or something.


Well, I won't bother to explain the whole story in its entirety, but this completely undermines and ruins it. There is no feasible way that it doesn't, at least in my opinion. I just had no impression that this thought was ever in her head, and now that I know it is, well like I said that opinion will now always be present. I've had people tell me I've had bad ideas before, but most of those ideas I personally keep believing are good ones.

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transcience
01/14/12 12:10:00 PM
#23:


hey, it could be worse. a joke character could have won a board 8 contest.

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vcharon
01/14/12 12:15:00 PM
#24:


I'm really not sure how this is even a thing after this length of time.

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Not_Wylvane
01/14/12 12:38:00 PM
#25:


From: vcharon | #022
Well, I won't bother to explain the whole story in its entirety, but this completely undermines and ruins it. There is no feasible way that it doesn't, at least in my opinion. I just had no impression that this thought was ever in her head, and now that I know it is, well like I said that opinion will now always be present. I've had people tell me I've had bad ideas before, but most of those ideas I personally keep believing are good ones.


I just don't see how you're so confident that your ideas will be better than hers. You could be right, but then again so could she.

That's why you should tell her why you disagree with her idea. Hopefully she'll explain why she feels her idea works with the story, and together either one of you will enlighten the other enough to change their mind, or both of you will work out a reasonable compromise that maintains the integrity of the story to both your satisfaction.

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XIII_rocks
01/14/12 12:44:00 PM
#26:


From: vcharon | #004
I appreciate the asking, by the way. Strange I picked the place I am so reviled at to vent. Desperate times.


Top tip

Stop talking about how hated you are here. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy and only leads you to being reviled any more.

Stop being so defeatist I guess.

Also your problems are pretty sucky, though you'll likely look back at them in 5 or 10 years and think they were completely insignificant.

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vcharon
01/14/12 1:35:00 PM
#27:


I realize that, but I'm only admitting the obvious. I have tried a few months of "ignore it and it'll go away", but people still talk about Marche, L-Block and all that good overblown stuff.

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TimJab
01/14/12 1:39:00 PM
#28:


From: vcharon | #003
Started off with a loss in hours for at least the next week to two guys who are totally incompetent. No big deal, completely typical and only a minor annoyance. Came home and realize that my site admin had decided we should "reshuffle" and "try something else" so instead of Webmaster I get to be some guy's underling who was rehired. Guy walked out, abandoned the website and community because he couldn't get his way. He has no people skills and just yells at everyone, wants to run the site alone and now I basically get to be his secretary. I got the guy the position on the site in the first place and he folded in six months; I've been part of the site for eight years and have devoted almost a decade of my life to it. The realization that eight years of my time are not equal to some goon's six months of whining and bickering really stings.

Then to top it all off, my writing partner wants to change an extremely important part of the story so her character can live happily ever after with a deceased ex. This one is a long story, so that's about all the explanation I can give. The original plotline has her finding happiness in the future and with someone who shared the burden of loss with her for several years (vague description of the fiction). It's just completely horrendous that she wants to go with that path, and since she's a girl I can't tell her I profusely disagree.

tl;dr: It was a pretty nice night, I think. Cast out by two of the few places I really felt like I belonged to.


XFD

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TimJab
01/14/12 1:41:00 PM
#29:


From: transcience | #023
hey, it could be worse. a joke character could have won a board 8 contest.


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LeonhartFour
01/14/12 1:44:00 PM
#30:


From: vcharon | #027
I realize that, but I'm only admitting the obvious. I have tried a few months of "ignore it and it'll go away", but people still talk about Marche, L-Block and all that good overblown stuff.


Because you still overreact to that kind of stuff.

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vcharon
01/14/12 1:47:00 PM
#31:


I really don't though. If you can quote something I've overreacted on and explain to me how I have, then I'll concede defeat on that point.

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LeonhartFour
01/14/12 1:48:00 PM
#32:


I don't save quotes.

But there was a match result in NCAA Games II recently where I told swirl on AIM, "I bet vcharon's going to whine about this result."

And sure enough, you did.

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vcharon
01/14/12 1:49:00 PM
#33:


You see, I don't get that. l3fty complains a lot more than I do about results in there and he doesn't have the reputation as a whiner. If I say I dislike a result, then I'm not really certain how that qualifies as "overreacting", I'm simply stating I don't like something the same as anyone else might.

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LeonhartFour
01/14/12 1:57:00 PM
#34:


It's more the disposition than the act itself.

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XIII_rocks
01/14/12 2:00:00 PM
#35:


From: LeonhartFour | #034
It's more the disposition than the act itself.


This.

The way you whine kind of demands a response. You know?

On the other hand, l3fty is just pathetic in more or less every way

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vcharon
01/14/12 2:04:00 PM
#36:


I'm just not sure I understand it, but I'll just have to take your word for it. I'm responding as I feel anyone else would, and this is the only place where I've ever heard these things about myself. People just take my comments on certain things too seriously, generally well against what my intentions are.

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foolm0ron
01/14/12 2:46:00 PM
#37:


From: vcharon | #036
anyone else would


nope

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vcharon
01/14/12 2:49:00 PM
#38:


Again, point something out specific to me. It can't be done because this whole thing with me and this board is based on a reputation I have and not something I actually do. People say I do it, therefore I must, according to your logic at least.

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XIII_rocks
01/14/12 2:54:00 PM
#39:


No smoke without fire broseph

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vcharon
01/14/12 3:00:00 PM
#40:


Well obviously no one is perfect, but with people's reaction to me you'd think I was either intentionally trolling this place or just the worst person on the face of the planet. I don't believe either to be the case, but I can rarely even have a proper conversation here because eventually someone will appear to talk about L-Block or make some other random insult, and I'd have done nothing to provoke such.

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XIII_rocks
01/14/12 3:10:00 PM
#41:


ask yourself why that is the case

There were plenty who didn't appreciate L-Block winning. Plenty of people who have whined about contest results. Plenty of people who have done similar things to you. Now, the board did not have a meeting and do a random draw or raffle-type thing over which user they would victimize. This is not an anti-vcharon crusade (well it may have become one at some point, but it was never originally - like I said you're so "boohoo everybody hates me" it's practically self-fulfilling).

Why would you ask the board to provide evidence? The board's ability or inability to bring up solid past examples of you being a moron doesn't change the fact that the abuse is happening regardless. If this topic passes and nobody can find specific examples, nothing will change. People will still talk to you like you are something they stepped in, rightly or wrongly.

So instead, think about why this is happening to you. What are you doing on your end to cause the board to "revile" you so? Do you honestly think it's the fault of the hundreds of b8ers and not the individual?

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GenesisSaga
01/14/12 3:14:00 PM
#42:


XIII_rocks posted...
From: vcharon | #004
I appreciate the asking, by the way. Strange I picked the place I am so reviled at to vent. Desperate times.
Top tip

Stop talking about how hated you are here. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy and only leads you to being reviled any more.

Stop being so defeatist I guess.

Also your problems are pretty sucky, though you'll likely look back at them in 5 or 10 years and think they were completely insignificant.


Yeah this. It's kind of a huge buzzkill.

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vcharon
01/14/12 3:32:00 PM
#43:


Like I said, I can't imagine simply ignoring it and saying nothing about my status here will magically make everything better. I've thought about why people feel this way about me, and I cannot say why they do, beyond that many people here place their enjoyment on the misery of others. Realizing that am I a good target and will defend myself, they will prob as a way to have fun out of it. I'm fully away most people make comments towards me to invoke a rise out of me. I'm not oblivious to it.

Still, I don't see where simply not acknowledging it will lead to any happy place. I'm just not sure I can picture it. Like I said it's hard to have conversations here with people without someone that already has made their decisions about me showing up, and that kind of thing tends to spread by word of mouth rather than me actually coming into contact with people. I think the majority of people who give me a hard time wouldn't feel the same way if I could start over here without the reputation I've been given.

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foolm0ron
01/14/12 3:36:00 PM
#44:


From: vcharon | #038
Again, point something out specific to me.


k

It can't be done because this whole thing with me and this board is based on a reputation I have and not something I actually do. People say I do it, therefore I must, according to your logic at least.



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vcharon
01/14/12 3:37:00 PM
#45:


Okay, man. Okay.

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XIII_rocks
01/14/12 3:42:00 PM
#46:


you can change things by making good posts and contributions and not being a defeatist about the whole thing, you know.

This board is more than prepared to give you slack. I mean, welching on the sigbet was just silly and childish and lowered people's opinion of you. Be a good sport about that kind of thing and the board will be "alright, fair play" and move on. Instead it turned into a colossal brouhaha and you got warned, which then provoked more (justified, to be fair) whining from you which just made people get even more "ugh". Downward spiral, no?

You do know that I spent like two years trolling this board with anti-America hate, right? And now I'm sort of semi-respected. Not Mr. Popularity but people don't shun me in topics. It's not difficult to turn around, you just shouldn't expect it to happen while you're still moaning about how hated you are. Fix it yourself.

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GenesisSaga
01/14/12 3:45:00 PM
#47:


Someone, I think it was Forceful Dragon was mentioning how much darkx has improved. Mind you, I wasn't around when darkx used to be a "crap user" so he's always been fine by me, but he apparently was once widely acknowledged as a "crap user", got over it, improved, and received recognition for it.

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SockoDeus
01/14/12 4:32:00 PM
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TimJab
01/14/12 5:34:00 PM
#49:


From: GenesisSaga | #047
Someone, I think it was Forceful Dragon was mentioning how much darkx has improved. Mind you, I wasn't around when darkx used to be a "crap user" so he's always been fine by me, but he apparently was once widely acknowledged as a "crap user", got over it, improved, and received recognition for it.


what the **** i leave for a week and the board lets darkx become a respectable user?

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LeonhartFour
01/14/12 5:35:00 PM
#50:


darkx isn't really "respectable," per se.

He just doesn't really do anything anymore.

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