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FFaddict1313 01/17/12 11:28:00 AM #1:	http://www.giantbomb.com/news/on-games-reviews-and-criticism-part-1/3912/ http://www.giantbomb.com/news/on-games-reviews-and-criticism-part-2/3915/ Anyone else read these? What do you guys think? As far as I can tell very few people are actually satisfied with the majority of gaming sites, so I'd imagine that there plenty of opinions out there. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] im here to you dark soul with my LIGHT -ertyu <cite>FFaddict1313 posted [p:679228] in On Games, ... [t:61681387]...</cite> <quote> http://www.giantbomb.com/news/on-games-reviews-and-criticism-part-1/3912/http://www.giantbomb.com/news/on-games-reviews-and-criticism-part-2/3915/Anyone else read these? What do you guys think? As far as I can tell very few people are actually satisfied with the majority of gaming sites, so I'd imagine that there plenty of opinions out there. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE]im here to you dark soul with my LIGHT -ertyu </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 01/17/12 11:47:00 AM #2:	Game review sites are awful, yes. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:679229] in On Games, ... [t:61681387]...</cite> <quote> Game review sites are awful, yes. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 01/17/12 11:49:00 AM #3:	I'd like game review sites more if all the big, AAA releases weren't like guaranteed 9.5s/10s from most of them, or at least that's how it seems. It's getting annoyingly predictable. Get harsher, get better, raise your standards. -- XIII_rocks, the cream of XIII fanboyism. The guru champ isn't such a SuperNiceDog, he made me change my sig! <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:679230] in On Games, ... [t:61681387]...</cite> <quote> I'd like game review sites more if all the big, AAA releases weren't like guaranteed 9.5s/10s from most of them, or at least that's how it seems. It's getting annoyingly predictable. Get harsher, get better, raise your standards. -- XIII_rocks, the cream of XIII fanboyism.The guru champ isn't such a SuperNiceDog, he made me change my sig! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 01/17/12 11:51:00 AM #4:	I don't mind big name games getting high scores as much because big name games are usually actually good. The chances of a high-release game being good are a lot better than the chances of a high-budget movie being good, I think. Of course, anything that isn't a high-budget hyped release is basically guaranteed lesser scores, which is I think a bigger issue. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:679231] in On Games, ... [t:61681387]...</cite> <quote> I don't mind big name games getting high scores as much because big name games are usually actually good. The chances of a high-release game being good are a lot better than the chances of a high-budget movie being good, I think.Of course, anything that isn't a high-budget hyped release is basically guaranteed lesser scores, which is I think a bigger issue. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
baron von toast 01/17/12 12:06:00 PM #5:	Unless I'm seeking out the opinions of a specific author, I'm not interested in reading a dozen glowing reviews of The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. I want to read the review from the one guy that **ing hated it, the guy who wants to make the argument about why it's actually terrible. Maybe I don't end up agreeing with this hypothetical guy, but I don't need my opinions validated, I need my opinions challenged. This. High profile big budget games getting great reviews zzzzzzzzzzzz. I'm more interested in dissenting views on the blockbuster games and more opinions on smaller profile games. -- . <cite>baron von toast posted [p:679232] in On Games, ... [t:61681387]...</cite> <quote> Unless I'm seeking out the opinions of a specific author, I'm not interested in reading a dozen glowing reviews of The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. I want to read the review from the one guy that **ing hated it, the guy who wants to make the argument about why it's actually terrible. Maybe I don't end up agreeing with this hypothetical guy, but I don't need my opinions validated, I need my opinions challenged.This.High profile big budget games getting great reviews zzzzzzzzzzzz. I'm more interested in dissenting views on the blockbuster games and more opinions on smaller profile games. -- . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroicGammaRay 01/17/12 12:07:00 PM #6:	this manveer dude is a clown <cite>HeroicGammaRay posted [p:679233] in On Games, ... [t:61681387]...</cite> <quote> this manveer dude is a clown </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kotetsu534 01/17/12 12:36:00 PM #7:	Three biggest problems I have with "professional" game reviews: - Terrible writing/argument standard. Doesn't apply to every "professional" reviewer, of course, but some of the reviews I've seen on big gaming websites are laughably badly written. You could find better reviewers by just grabbing some prolific writers from GameFAQs. - Hugely hyped game receives fairly positive review with one or two minor negatives. Gets 9.5/10. Lesser hyped game receives glowing review with one or two minor negatives. Gets 8.5/10. - Games reviewed by someone who is terrible at that type of game. You don't understand how to play Fire Emblem? Fine. Don't review the latest Fire Emblem. -- Who knew the Rivalry Rumble would be so predictable? SuperNiceDog, that's who. <cite>Kotetsu534 posted [p:679234] in On Games, ... [t:61681387]...</cite> <quote> Three biggest problems I have with "professional" game reviews:- Terrible writing/argument standard. Doesn't apply to every "professional" reviewer, of course, but some of the reviews I've seen on big gaming websites are laughably badly written. You could find better reviewers by just grabbing some prolific writers from GameFAQs.- Hugely hyped game receives fairly positive review with one or two minor negatives. Gets 9.5/10. Lesser hyped game receives glowing review with one or two minor negatives. Gets 8.5/10.- Games reviewed by someone who is terrible at that type of game. You don't understand how to play Fire Emblem? Fine. Don't review the latest Fire Emblem. -- Who knew the Rivalry Rumble would be so predictable? SuperNiceDog, that's who. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 01/17/12 12:36:00 PM #8:	biggest problem with reviews is they don't account for mii support enough -- I'm no longer a Nadal supporter. Andy Murray is my new favorite player/person. -Princess Anri <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:679235] in On Games, ... [t:61681387]...</cite> <quote> biggest problem with reviews is they don't account for mii support enough -- I'm no longer a Nadal supporter. Andy Murray is my new favorite player/person. -Princess Anri </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Emporer_Kazbar 01/17/12 12:38:00 PM #9:	From: baron von toast \| #005 Unless I'm seeking out the opinions of a specific author, I'm not interested in reading a dozen glowing reviews of The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. I want to read the review from the one guy that **ing hated it, the guy who wants to make the argument about why it's actually terrible. Maybe I don't end up agreeing with this hypothetical guy, but I don't need my opinions validated, I need my opinions challenged. This. High profile big budget games getting great reviews zzzzzzzzzzzz. I'm more interested in dissenting views on the blockbuster games and more opinions on smaller profile games. But what if a reviewer legitimately loved Skyrim and gives it 10/10? Do you want him to lie and make up problems (or overblow tiny problems, same difference) so that the review is more "interesting"? Because it does seem like some reviewers do this, and to me at least, I find it really annoying. -- Will not remove this line of my signature until the Seahawks, Jazz or Rockies win a title (Started 5-16-09) SuperNiceDog: Guru winner <cite>Emporer_Kazbar posted [p:679236] in On Games, ... [t:61681387]...</cite> <quote> From: baron von toast \| #005Unless I'm seeking out the opinions of a specific author, I'm not interested in reading a dozen glowing reviews of The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. I want to read the review from the one guy that **ing hated it, the guy who wants to make the argument about why it's actually terrible. Maybe I don't end up agreeing with this hypothetical guy, but I don't need my opinions validated, I need my opinions challenged.This.High profile big budget games getting great reviews zzzzzzzzzzzz. I'm more interested in dissenting views on the blockbuster games and more opinions on smaller profile games.But what if a reviewer legitimately loved Skyrim and gives it 10/10? Do you want him to lie and make up problems (or overblow tiny problems, same difference) so that the review is more "interesting"? Because it does seem like some reviewers do this, and to me at least, I find it really annoying. -- Will not remove this line of my signature until the Seahawks, Jazz or Rockies win a title (Started 5-16-09)SuperNiceDog: Guru winner </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
swirIdude 01/17/12 12:41:00 PM #10:	If you go to sites like IGN and Gamespot, you will be disappointed in reviewer quality. Other sites produce better reviews. Eurogamer and gamrReview are my personal favorites. -- "The people who play Final Fantasy 7 actually have lives and dont NEED polls" ~MajinUltima SuperNiceDog: Bracket: Good, Taste: Bad <cite>swirIdude posted [p:679237] in On Games, ... [t:61681387]...</cite> <quote> If you go to sites like IGN and Gamespot, you will be disappointed in reviewer quality. Other sites produce better reviews. Eurogamer and gamrReview are my personal favorites. -- "The people who play Final Fantasy 7 actually have lives and dont NEED polls" ~MajinUltimaSuperNiceDog: Bracket: Good, Taste: Bad </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
baron von toast 01/17/12 2:06:00 PM #11:	From: Emporer_Kazbar \| #009 But what if a reviewer legitimately loved Skyrim and gives it 10/10? Do you want him to lie and make up problems (or overblow tiny problems, same difference) so that the review is more "interesting"? Because it does seem like some reviewers do this, and to me at least, I find it really annoying. Good for that reviewer. I'm just not going to read his review. I don't care about why the game is great. If I want to know that I can go to the developer's or the publisher's site. They'll probably have no shortage of praise for it. I want to why the game sucks. Even if it's just some petty little detail, maybe it's a petty little detail that would make or break the game for me. Or maybe it's not a big deal for me and I can dismiss it as such. Whether the reviewer has an honest beef or is grasping for maor hitz doesn't matter. The same applies to any sort of review, really. When I'm looking at Amazon reviews for whatever sort of product I go straight to the 1 and 2 star reviews because I want to know what went wrong. I don't need hundreds of thousand word essays telling me that it works exactly as advertised. -- . <cite>baron von toast posted [p:679238] in On Games, ... [t:61681387]...</cite> <quote> From: Emporer_Kazbar \| #009But what if a reviewer legitimately loved Skyrim and gives it 10/10? Do you want him to lie and make up problems (or overblow tiny problems, same difference) so that the review is more "interesting"? Because it does seem like some reviewers do this, and to me at least, I find it really annoying.Good for that reviewer. I'm just not going to read his review. I don't care about why the game is great. If I want to know that I can go to the developer's or the publisher's site. They'll probably have no shortage of praise for it. I want to why the game sucks. Even if it's just some petty little detail, maybe it's a petty little detail that would make or break the game for me. Or maybe it's not a big deal for me and I can dismiss it as such. Whether the reviewer has an honest beef or is grasping for maor hitz doesn't matter.The same applies to any sort of review, really. When I'm looking at Amazon reviews for whatever sort of product I go straight to the 1 and 2 star reviews because I want to know what went wrong. I don't need hundreds of thousand word essays telling me that it works exactly as advertised. -- . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFaddict1313 01/18/12 7:46:00 AM #12:	http://www.giantbomb.com/news/on-games-reviews-and-criticism-part-3/3918/ -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] im here to you dark soul with my LIGHT -ertyu <cite>FFaddict1313 posted [p:679239] in On Games, ... [t:61681387]...</cite> <quote> http://www.giantbomb.com/news/on-games-reviews-and-criticism-part-3/3918/ -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE]im here to you dark soul with my LIGHT -ertyu </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
expaniol 01/18/12 7:58:00 AM #13:	Yeah, negative reviews are the best for determining if a product is worth it or not. I usually read the 1 and 2 star reviews on amazon before buying stuff and I read the negative reviews on Gamefaqs before buying games if I'm unsure if I should get it or not. Then I can determine if the negative stuff is something that will bother me or if I can handle it and buy it anyway. -- Do you think cats are clever? They don't hold a candle to dogs and SuperNiceDog is the cream of the crop since he won the Guru contest without breaking a sweat. <cite>expaniol posted [p:679240] in On Games, ... [t:61681387]...</cite> <quote> Yeah, negative reviews are the best for determining if a product is worth it or not. I usually read the 1 and 2 star reviews on amazon before buying stuff and I read the negative reviews on Gamefaqs before buying games if I'm unsure if I should get it or not. Then I can determine if the negative stuff is something that will bother me or if I can handle it and buy it anyway. -- Do you think cats are clever? They don't hold a candle to dogs and SuperNiceDog is the cream of the crop since he won the Guru contest without breaking a sweat. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 01/18/12 8:29:00 AM #14:	Everything they're talking about, I've already figured out and believed for a while now. Scores mean nothing, they are promotional tools. It's been like that ever since movie ratings come out. But I don't think it's bad, because the way most game review sites work is that they type a whole bunch of text that explains what the game does and what it doesn't, and then they attach some arbitrary score at the end. If you just ignore the score, you have this great description of the game from which to make a decision. Of course, some places coughgamespotcough suck at doing these objective descriptions, but other places are great at it. If I'm reading a review of Dynasty Warriors 7, all I need to read is "it's better than DW5". I don't care if DW5 is a 5/10 and DW7 is a 6/10. -- _foolmo_ 'he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance' - ertyu quoting Tidus <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:679241] in On Games, ... [t:61681387]...</cite> <quote> Everything they're talking about, I've already figured out and believed for a while now. Scores mean nothing, they are promotional tools. It's been like that ever since movie ratings come out.But I don't think it's bad, because the way most game review sites work is that they type a whole bunch of text that explains what the game does and what it doesn't, and then they attach some arbitrary score at the end. If you just ignore the score, you have this great description of the game from which to make a decision. Of course, some places coughgamespotcough suck at doing these objective descriptions, but other places are great at it.If I'm reading a review of Dynasty Warriors 7, all I need to read is "it's better than DW5". I don't care if DW5 is a 5/10 and DW7 is a 6/10. -- _foolmo_'he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance' - ertyu quoting Tidus </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 01/18/12 8:31:00 AM #15:	From: baron von toast \| #011 The same applies to any sort of review, really. When I'm looking at Amazon reviews for whatever sort of product I go straight to the 1 and 2 star reviews because I want to know what went wrong. I don't need hundreds of thousand word essays telling me that it works exactly as advertised. Talking about Amazon, they do it really well. They highlight the most popular high rating and the most popular low rating for each product, which usually provides 2 good reviews on either side so you can make your own decision. -- _foolmo_ 'he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance' - ertyu quoting Tidus <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:679242] in On Games, ... [t:61681387]...</cite> <quote> From: baron von toast \| #011The same applies to any sort of review, really. When I'm looking at Amazon reviews for whatever sort of product I go straight to the 1 and 2 star reviews because I want to know what went wrong. I don't need hundreds of thousand word essays telling me that it works exactly as advertised.Talking about Amazon, they do it really well. They highlight the most popular high rating and the most popular low rating for each product, which usually provides 2 good reviews on either side so you can make your own decision. -- _foolmo_'he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance' - ertyu quoting Tidus </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Biolizard28 01/18/12 8:50:00 AM #16:	I don't see how negative reviews are more valid than positive reviews. Negativity is not an immediate sign of honesty. But this is B8, so erring towards negativity shouldn't come as a big surprise. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>Biolizard28 posted [p:679243] in On Games, ... [t:61681387]...</cite> <quote> I don't see how negative reviews are more valid than positive reviews. Negativity is not an immediate sign of honesty.But this is B8, so erring towards negativity shouldn't come as a big surprise. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo[NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 01/18/12 8:55:00 AM #17:	From: Biolizard28 \| #016 Negativity is not an immediate sign of honesty. It's not, but the point is that if you can see negative criticism about a game and validly disagree with it, then you know the game is good. If you agree with positive reviews, you don't necessarily know if the game is good. -- _foolmo_ 'Most people at least try to say something funny. See foolmo's post as an example.' - The Real Truth <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:679244] in On Games, ... [t:61681387]...</cite> <quote> From: Biolizard28 \| #016Negativity is not an immediate sign of honesty.It's not, but the point is that if you can see negative criticism about a game and validly disagree with it, then you know the game is good.If you agree with positive reviews, you don't necessarily know if the game is good. -- _foolmo_'Most people at least try to say something funny. See foolmo's post as an example.' - The Real Truth </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Biolizard28 01/18/12 8:57:00 AM #18:	From: foolm0ron \| #017 It's not, but the point is that if you can see negative criticism about a game and validly disagree with it, then you know the game is good. How can I argue against the criticisms of a game I have never played? Unless you read reviews in your spare time, in which case, I might want to recommend more productive hobbies. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>Biolizard28 posted [p:679245] in On Games, ... [t:61681387]...</cite> <quote> From: foolm0ron \| #017It's not, but the point is that if you can see negative criticism about a game and validly disagree with it, then you know the game is good.How can I argue against the criticisms of a game I have never played?Unless you read reviews in your spare time, in which case, I might want to recommend more productive hobbies. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo[NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 01/18/12 2:01:00 PM #19:	From: Biolizard28 \| #018 How can I argue against the criticisms of a game I have never played? Unless you read reviews in your spare time, in which case, I might want to recommend more productive hobbies. Well yeah in that part of the letter he was talking about how most of the time, reviews are read by people who have already made a decision to buy or not buy the game. A good review for those people should challenge their already-established opinions to make sure they really believe what they think they believe. -- _foolmo_ 'It's easy to get yourself in trouble if you start quoting people who don't like you in your signature' - Mods <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:679246] in On Games, ... [t:61681387]...</cite> <quote> From: Biolizard28 \| #018How can I argue against the criticisms of a game I have never played?Unless you read reviews in your spare time, in which case, I might want to recommend more productive hobbies.Well yeah in that part of the letter he was talking about how most of the time, reviews are read by people who have already made a decision to buy or not buy the game. A good review for those people should challenge their already-established opinions to make sure they really believe what they think they believe. -- _foolmo_'It's easy to get yourself in trouble if you start quoting people who don't like you in your signature' - Mods </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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