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Vlado 03/27/12 2:19:00 AM #155:	Oh, I'm not saying the rule is fair. Just that applying it in this case was. The rule should definitely be up to debate. And Ulti, you should really chill out. We agree 90% of the time, we disagree once and immediately you're claiming I'm the lowest scum on Earth and what not. That's not how interpersonal interaction works. -- If you like Blitzball, try Captain Tsubasa II (in English) for NES! Top games: http://unikgamer.com/users/vlado-309.html <cite>Vlado posted [p:955120] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> Oh, I'm not saying the rule is fair. Just that applying it in this case was. The rule should definitely be up to debate.And Ulti, you should really chill out. We agree 90% of the time, we disagree once and immediately you're claiming I'm the lowest scum on Earth and what not. That's not how interpersonal interaction works. -- If you like Blitzball, try Captain Tsubasa II (in English) for NES!Top games: http://unikgamer.com/users/vlado-309.html </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Achromatic 03/27/12 2:21:00 AM #156:	Vlado has a great love for women. If you have ever seen him in topics discussing women he can't talk enough about them at times. I think Vlado just, at times, presents his arguments with a slant that seems more harmful than it actually is intended to be. <cite>Achromatic posted [p:955121] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> Vlado has a great love for women. If you have ever seen him in topics discussing women he can't talk enough about them at times. I think Vlado just, at times, presents his arguments with a slant that seems more harmful than it actually is intended to be. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jdizzy156 03/27/12 2:23:00 AM #157:	That's horrifying, you cant even tell now a days... Edit: dont see what the big deal is If the contest is for people born a certain gender then she doesn't fit the criteria. -- http://img.imgcake.com/dizzyjgifyr.gif http://youtu.be/Sbb94GkbXKQ <cite>jdizzy156 posted [p:955122] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> That's horrifying, you cant even tell now a days...Edit: dont see what the big deal is If the contest is for people born a certain gender then she doesn't fit the criteria. -- http://img.imgcake.com/dizzyjgifyr.gifhttp://youtu.be/Sbb94GkbXKQ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Achromatic 03/27/12 2:27:00 AM #161:	We are going to be there to do ONE THING. Killing Nazis. <cite>Achromatic posted [p:955126] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> We are going to be there to do ONE THING.Killing Nazis. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westbrick 03/27/12 2:28:00 AM #162:	I can't believe I actually read through this mess. The bottom line here is that discrimination isn't always a bad thing. We don't let women play in the NFL; we don't let non-Americans run for president; directors are allowed to single out specific races for specific roles; and the list goes on and on and on. Joyrock's getting a moral trip off of calling this "discriminatory," but I really doubt he'd advocate this principle consistently. Accordingly, the question becomes "Why is this particular instance of discrimination wrong?" Newsflash: it's a contest based around genetics. If they can discriminate against ugly people, why not against transgendered folk? The fact that she was apparently unclear about this fact makes it worse. People are seriously complaining about superficiality in a contest which revolves around superficiality. -- Tebow to Jests? http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png <cite>Westbrick posted [p:955127] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> I can't believe I actually read through this mess.The bottom line here is that discrimination isn't always a bad thing. We don't let women play in the NFL; we don't let non-Americans run for president; directors are allowed to single out specific races for specific roles; and the list goes on and on and on.Joyrock's getting a moral trip off of calling this "discriminatory," but I really doubt he'd advocate this principle consistently. Accordingly, the question becomes "Why is this particular instance of discrimination wrong?" Newsflash: it's a contest based around genetics. If they can discriminate against ugly people, why not against transgendered folk? The fact that she was apparently unclear about this fact makes it worse. People are seriously complaining about superficiality in a contest which revolves around superficiality. -- Tebow to Jests?http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vlado 03/27/12 2:28:00 AM #163:	Sorry. Good night. Nobody is defeated, when two great minds clash, everybody wins. One little argument will not change that assessment, and Chris' input has only made this thread all the greater. -- If you like Blitzball, try Captain Tsubasa II (in English) for NES! Top games: http://unikgamer.com/users/vlado-309.html <cite>Vlado posted [p:955128] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> Sorry. Good night. Nobody is defeated, when two great minds clash, everybody wins. One little argument will not change that assessment, and Chris' input has only made this thread all the greater. -- If you like Blitzball, try Captain Tsubasa II (in English) for NES!Top games: http://unikgamer.com/users/vlado-309.html </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Achromatic 03/27/12 2:30:00 AM #164:	From: Westbrick \| #162 I can't believe I actually read through this mess. The bottom line here is that discrimination isn't always a bad thing. We don't let women play in the NFL; we don't let non-Americans run for president; directors are allowed to single out specific races for specific roles; and the list goes on and on and on. Joyrock's getting a moral trip off of calling this "discriminatory," but I really doubt he'd advocate this principle consistently. Accordingly, the question becomes "Why is this particular instance of discrimination wrong?" Newsflash: it's a contest based around genetics. If they can discriminate against ugly people, why not against transgendered folk? The fact that she was apparently unclear about this fact makes it worse. People are seriously complaining about superficiality in a contest which revolves around superficiality. In instances like this the actual case of discrimination is not wholly the point. Let's face it, we have a lot of minorities in this world who are not treated fairly. Perhaps in this one very specific case the alleged victim was not perfect and shiny and in needing of defense, but I think that there are still a lot of issues and in a time and place this is going to be one of those issues because it raises awareness of a more common and dangerous problem. <cite>Achromatic posted [p:955129] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> From: Westbrick \| #162I can't believe I actually read through this mess.The bottom line here is that discrimination isn't always a bad thing. We don't let women play in the NFL; we don't let non-Americans run for president; directors are allowed to single out specific races for specific roles; and the list goes on and on and on.Joyrock's getting a moral trip off of calling this "discriminatory," but I really doubt he'd advocate this principle consistently. Accordingly, the question becomes "Why is this particular instance of discrimination wrong?" Newsflash: it's a contest based around genetics. If they can discriminate against ugly people, why not against transgendered folk? The fact that she was apparently unclear about this fact makes it worse. People are seriously complaining about superficiality in a contest which revolves around superficiality.In instances like this the actual case of discrimination is not wholly the point. Let's face it, we have a lot of minorities in this world who are not treated fairly. Perhaps in this one very specific case the alleged victim was not perfect and shiny and in needing of defense, but I think that there are still a lot of issues and in a time and place this is going to be one of those issues because it raises awareness of a more common and dangerous problem. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Huff n puff 20 03/27/12 2:32:00 AM #165:	Fair DQ. -- http://i42.tinypic.com/2nm2jdg.jpg No it's THIS good. - shadowgamer_x <cite>Huff n puff 20 posted [p:955130] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> Fair DQ. -- http://i42.tinypic.com/2nm2jdg.jpgNo it's THIS good. - shadowgamer_x </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westbrick 03/27/12 2:50:00 AM #166:	In instances like this the actual case of discrimination is not wholly the point. Except that it's 100%, completely, utterly, entirely the point. Have you not read the posts of joyrock/Vlado/etc.? Let's face it, we have a lot of minorities in this world who are not treated fairly. Perhaps in this one very specific case the alleged victim was not perfect and shiny and in needing of defense, but I think that there are still a lot of issues and in a time and place this is going to be one of those issues because it raises awareness of a more common and dangerous problem. So you want to jump from "discrimination here = bad" (which is what most people are saying) to "discrimination generally = bad"? I can get on board with that. As I said in my previous post, I don't believe that this is necessarily the case, but there are certainly some issues with discriminatory practices that ought to be ironed out. That's an entirely different position from the one we're talking about: namely, that discriminating against a transvestite in a beauty (i.e. superficiality) contest is some supreme moral offense. -- Tebow to Jests? http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png <cite>Westbrick posted [p:955131] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> In instances like this the actual case of discrimination is not wholly the point.Except that it's 100%, completely, utterly, entirely the point. Have you not read the posts of joyrock/Vlado/etc.?Let's face it, we have a lot of minorities in this world who are not treated fairly. Perhaps in this one very specific case the alleged victim was not perfect and shiny and in needing of defense, but I think that there are still a lot of issues and in a time and place this is going to be one of those issues because it raises awareness of a more common and dangerous problem.So you want to jump from "discrimination here = bad" (which is what most people are saying) to "discrimination generally = bad"? I can get on board with that. As I said in my previous post, I don't believe that this is necessarily the case, but there are certainly some issues with discriminatory practices that ought to be ironed out.That's an entirely different position from the one we're talking about: namely, that discriminating against a transvestite in a beauty (i.e. superficiality) contest is some supreme moral offense. -- Tebow to Jests?http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Senjougaharaism 03/27/12 2:57:00 AM #167:	lol canada -- DON~! <cite>Senjougaharaism posted [p:955132] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> lol canada -- DON~! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 03/27/12 2:57:00 AM #168:	That's an entirely different position from the one we're talking about: namely, that discriminating against a transvestite in a beauty (i.e. superficiality) contest is some supreme moral offense. She is not a transvestite; she is a transgender. Those words have different meanings and in the future it will be increasingly advantageous to you to understand the difference. -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch <cite>redrocket posted [p:955133] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> That's an entirely different position from the one we're talking about: namely, that discriminating against a transvestite in a beauty (i.e. superficiality) contest is some supreme moral offense.She is not a transvestite; she is a transgender. Those words have different meanings and in the future it will be increasingly advantageous to you to understand the difference. -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Achromatic 03/27/12 3:00:00 AM #169:	Well I don't usually let opinions that just so happened to be presented before mine to be the basis of any opinion I form on the situation as a whole. I don't care what others have said when I am trying to form my own opinion here. By the way, if you feel that discrimination in general is bad I would think that discrimination here is bad because before you read the exact details the chance of "general discrimination" from this is pretty high. Basically what is the point of this rule, in theory? If there is something about not being naturally born a woman then surely they wouldn't get picked to start with. I think we agree that this isn't the place to make the stand for more rights as this is pretty silly, but on the other hand I have no problem if someone doesn't think it is right because the only way we end discrimination in general is to make our voice be heard abut the issue even if the exact situation at hand doesn't mesh perfectly with our viewpoint. <cite>Achromatic posted [p:955134] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> Well I don't usually let opinions that just so happened to be presented before mine to be the basis of any opinion I form on the situation as a whole. I don't care what others have said when I am trying to form my own opinion here.By the way, if you feel that discrimination in general is bad I would think that discrimination here is bad because before you read the exact details the chance of "general discrimination" from this is pretty high. Basically what is the point of this rule, in theory? If there is something about not being naturally born a woman then surely they wouldn't get picked to start with. I think we agree that this isn't the place to make the stand for more rights as this is pretty silly, but on the other hand I have no problem if someone doesn't think it is right because the only way we end discrimination in general is to make our voice be heard abut the issue even if the exact situation at hand doesn't mesh perfectly with our viewpoint. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westbrick 03/27/12 3:15:00 AM #170:	She is not a transvestite; she is a transgender. Those words have different meanings and in the future it will be increasingly advantageous to you to understand the difference. Holy unwarranted condescension, Batman! It's around six in the morning my time, so forgive me for misusing "transvestite" when I obviously meant "transgender." People make mistakes, and in the future it will be increasingly advantageous to you to not be a complete ass. By the way, if you feel that discrimination in general is bad I would think that discrimination here is bad because before you read the exact details the chance of "general discrimination" from this is pretty high. Basically what is the point of this rule, in theory? If there is something about not being naturally born a woman then surely they wouldn't get picked to start with. I'm not sure anyone really believes that all discrimination is bad. As for your second point, was that ever cleared up? Because if it was known by the higher-ups that she was originally a man, then that's a definite boo-boo on their part, but I'm not sure it makes their decision any less warranted. -- Tebow to Jests? http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png <cite>Westbrick posted [p:955135] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> She is not a transvestite; she is a transgender. Those words have different meanings and in the future it will be increasingly advantageous to you to understand the difference.Holy unwarranted condescension, Batman! It's around six in the morning my time, so forgive me for misusing "transvestite" when I obviously meant "transgender." People make mistakes, and in the future it will be increasingly advantageous to you to not be a complete ass. By the way, if you feel that discrimination in general is bad I would think that discrimination here is bad because before you read the exact details the chance of "general discrimination" from this is pretty high. Basically what is the point of this rule, in theory? If there is something about not being naturally born a woman then surely they wouldn't get picked to start with.I'm not sure anyone really believes that all discrimination is bad. As for your second point, was that ever cleared up? Because if it was known by the higher-ups that she was originally a man, then that's a definite boo-boo on their part, but I'm not sure it makes their decision any less warranted. -- Tebow to Jests?http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Achromatic 03/27/12 3:19:00 AM #171:	Well your use of the word discrimination is a bit silly. Generally speaking in its popular use when you say discrimination it means bad. The English language as other words to describe what discrimination is that do not have nearly as bad a negative connotation as it does. Also why was this warranted at all? I legitimately do not understand. <cite>Achromatic posted [p:955136] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> Well your use of the word discrimination is a bit silly. Generally speaking in its popular use when you say discrimination it means bad. The English language as other words to describe what discrimination is that do not have nearly as bad a negative connotation as it does. Also why was this warranted at all? I legitimately do not understand. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vlado 03/27/12 4:08:00 AM #172:	*Westbrick posted...* Holy unwarranted condescension, Batman! It's around six in the morning my time, so forgive me for misusing "transvestite" when I obviously meant "transgender." People make mistakes, and in the future it will be increasingly advantageous to you to not be a complete ass. WTF. You made a mistake, own up to it. Don't make "six in the morning" excuses, don't get all defensive because somebody pointed it out. We all make mistakes sometimes, no shame in that. But it's not the fault of the person who pointed it out. He's most definitely not "a complete ass." -- If you like Blitzball, try Captain Tsubasa II (in English) for NES! Top games: http://unikgamer.com/users/vlado-309.html <cite>Vlado posted [p:955137] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> Westbrick posted...Holy unwarranted condescension, Batman! It's around six in the morning my time, so forgive me for misusing "transvestite" when I obviously meant "transgender." People make mistakes, and in the future it will be increasingly advantageous to you to not be a complete ass.WTF. You made a mistake, own up to it. Don't make "six in the morning" excuses, don't get all defensive because somebody pointed it out. We all make mistakes sometimes, no shame in that. But it's not the fault of the person who pointed it out. He's most definitely not "a complete ass." -- If you like Blitzball, try Captain Tsubasa II (in English) for NES!Top games: http://unikgamer.com/users/vlado-309.html </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westbrick 03/27/12 4:09:00 AM #173:	Well your use of the word discrimination is a bit silly. Generally speaking in its popular use when you say discrimination it means bad. Except that despite its connotation, discrimination isn't always bad. There are times when it's deemed acceptable in the public eye, eg. the NFL and other professional sports. Also why was this warranted at all? I legitimately do not understand. The aim of the contest was to find a woman that met a list of arbitrary criteria. One of these criteria is "not being transgendered." You can complain that it's unfair, but a) the entire process is unfair and arbitrary to begin with, and b) there's already a contest for transgendered folk. -- Tebow to Jests? http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png <cite>Westbrick posted [p:955138] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> Well your use of the word discrimination is a bit silly. Generally speaking in its popular use when you say discrimination it means bad.Except that despite its connotation, discrimination isn't always bad. There are times when it's deemed acceptable in the public eye, eg. the NFL and other professional sports. Also why was this warranted at all? I legitimately do not understand.The aim of the contest was to find a woman that met a list of arbitrary criteria. One of these criteria is "not being transgendered." You can complain that it's unfair, but a) the entire process is unfair and arbitrary to begin with, and b) there's already a contest for transgendered folk. -- Tebow to Jests?http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westbrick 03/27/12 4:11:00 AM #174:	WTF. You made a mistake, own up to it. Except that I did own up to it: "so forgive me for misusing 'transvestite' when I obviously meant 'transgender.'" It was just a very silly thing to point out. He's most definitely not "a complete ass." He most definitely was "unbearably condescending" with that post. -- Tebow to Jests? http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png <cite>Westbrick posted [p:955139] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> WTF. You made a mistake, own up to it.Except that I did own up to it: "so forgive me for misusing 'transvestite' when I obviously meant 'transgender.'"It was just a very silly thing to point out. He's most definitely not "a complete ass."He most definitely was "unbearably condescending" with that post. -- Tebow to Jests?http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Achromatic 03/27/12 4:13:00 AM #175:	From: Westbrick \| #173 Well your use of the word discrimination is a bit silly. Generally speaking in its popular use when you say discrimination it means bad. Except that despite its connotation, discrimination isn't always bad. There are times when it's deemed acceptable in the public eye, eg. the NFL and other professional sports. Also why was this warranted at all? I legitimately do not understand. The aim of the contest was to find a woman that met a list of arbitrary criteria. One of these criteria is "not being transgendered." You can complain that it's unfair, but a) the entire process is unfair and arbitrary to begin with, and b) there's already a contest for transgendered folk. What do you mean by the NFL and other professional sports? Explain the example if you don't mind. Also I find it silly to compare the "unfairness" of a beauty contest being about beauty to the fact that a clearly beautiful woman was denied the right to compete because she was transgendered. I hope you see the flaw in your logic here. <cite>Achromatic posted [p:955140] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> From: Westbrick \| #173Well your use of the word discrimination is a bit silly. Generally speaking in its popular use when you say discrimination it means bad.Except that despite its connotation, discrimination isn't always bad. There are times when it's deemed acceptable in the public eye, eg. the NFL and other professional sports. Also why was this warranted at all? I legitimately do not understand.The aim of the contest was to find a woman that met a list of arbitrary criteria. One of these criteria is "not being transgendered." You can complain that it's unfair, but a) the entire process is unfair and arbitrary to begin with, and b) there's already a contest for transgendered folk.What do you mean by the NFL and other professional sports? Explain the example if you don't mind.Also I find it silly to compare the "unfairness" of a beauty contest being about beauty to the fact that a clearly beautiful woman was denied the right to compete because she was transgendered. I hope you see the flaw in your logic here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vlado 03/27/12 4:19:00 AM #176:	*Westbrick posted...* WTF. You made a mistake, own up to it. Except that I did own up to it: "so forgive me for misusing 'transvestite' when I obviously meant 'transgender.'" It was just a very silly thing to point out. He's most definitely not "a complete ass." He most definitely was "unbearably condescending" with that post. No, he wasn't. If the post wasn't directed at you, you wouldn't have even noticed it. If your skin is so thin, I don't know if posting on message boards on the internet is an activity I would recommend to you. -- If you like Blitzball, try Captain Tsubasa II (in English) for NES! Top games: http://unikgamer.com/users/vlado-309.html <cite>Vlado posted [p:955141] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> Westbrick posted...WTF. You made a mistake, own up to it.Except that I did own up to it: "so forgive me for misusing 'transvestite' when I obviously meant 'transgender.'"It was just a very silly thing to point out. He's most definitely not "a complete ass."He most definitely was "unbearably condescending" with that post.No, he wasn't. If the post wasn't directed at you, you wouldn't have even noticed it. If your skin is so thin, I don't know if posting on message boards on the internet is an activity I would recommend to you. -- If you like Blitzball, try Captain Tsubasa II (in English) for NES!Top games: http://unikgamer.com/users/vlado-309.html </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westbrick 03/27/12 4:25:00 AM #177:	What do you mean by the NFL and other professional sports? Explain the example if you don't mind. Women aren't allowed to play in the NFL. Most people are okay with this, for a variety of reasons. This is one example of many where discrimination does not have a negative public connotation. Also I find it silly to compare the "unfairness" of a beauty contest being about beauty to the fact that a clearly beautiful woman was denied the right to compete because she was transgendered. I hope you see the flaw in your logic here. Except that what defines beauty isn't "clear." And I don't know if you've watched beauty contests before, but all of the women are beautiful; deciding between them boils down to stuff like asking questions about silly **. One of these arbitrary factors is not being transgendered, which is a secret to exactly no one (including the transgendered contestant). -- Tebow to Jests? http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png <cite>Westbrick posted [p:955142] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> What do you mean by the NFL and other professional sports? Explain the example if you don't mind.Women aren't allowed to play in the NFL. Most people are okay with this, for a variety of reasons. This is one example of many where discrimination does not have a negative public connotation. Also I find it silly to compare the "unfairness" of a beauty contest being about beauty to the fact that a clearly beautiful woman was denied the right to compete because she was transgendered. I hope you see the flaw in your logic here.Except that what defines beauty isn't "clear." And I don't know if you've watched beauty contests before, but all of the women are beautiful; deciding between them boils down to stuff like asking questions about silly **. One of these arbitrary factors is not being transgendered, which is a secret to exactly no one (including the transgendered contestant). -- Tebow to Jests?http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westbrick 03/27/12 4:28:00 AM #178:	No, he wasn't. If the post wasn't directed at you, you wouldn't have even noticed it. If your skin is so thin, I don't know if posting on message boards on the internet is an activity I would recommend to you. He was implying that a) I didn't know the difference between transgendered and transvestite, and b) that such information, which was clearly new to me, would be "increasingly advantageous." I'd consider this very condescending, so I responded in the way I did (half mocking and half joking). No big. Speaking of thin skin, something tells me that redrocket can handle himself. Maybe you're the one who should grow a thicker skin and not get bothered by discussions that do not involve you in any way, shape, or form. -- Tebow to Jests? http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png <cite>Westbrick posted [p:955143] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> No, he wasn't. If the post wasn't directed at you, you wouldn't have even noticed it. If your skin is so thin, I don't know if posting on message boards on the internet is an activity I would recommend to you.He was implying that a) I didn't know the difference between transgendered and transvestite, and b) that such information, which was clearly new to me, would be "increasingly advantageous." I'd consider this very condescending, so I responded in the way I did (half mocking and half joking). No big. Speaking of thin skin, something tells me that redrocket can handle himself. Maybe you're the one who should grow a thicker skin and not get bothered by discussions that do not involve you in any way, shape, or form. -- Tebow to Jests?http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Achromatic 03/27/12 4:30:00 AM #179:	Okay I am just going to go ahead and say you just really aren't using discrimination like everyone else is in the topic and you should probably stop using it that way for the purpose of this conversation. Why aren't women allowed to play in the NFL? Insert a lot of very logical reasons here including ability, concerns about injury, and other such things. I would like to think that if she made the finals that her beauty wasn't the problem here. Maybe Canada doesn't have a lot of hot women though I don't know. So in regards to it not being clear that's true, but the judges seemed to think it was clear in this case and so I said 'clearly beautiful" for a reason. As I already mentioned I don't have a problem with them exercising their rules as they were in place but you are seemingly missing my point about the fairness of the rule. More so when you compare it to things like the NFL. It makes me believe you are either confused about word meanings or something else. <cite>Achromatic posted [p:955144] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> Okay I am just going to go ahead and say you just really aren't using discrimination like everyone else is in the topic and you should probably stop using it that way for the purpose of this conversation. Why aren't women allowed to play in the NFL? Insert a lot of very logical reasons here including ability, concerns about injury, and other such things. I would like to think that if she made the finals that her beauty wasn't the problem here. Maybe Canada doesn't have a lot of hot women though I don't know. So in regards to it not being clear that's true, but the judges seemed to think it was clear in this case and so I said 'clearly beautiful" for a reason.As I already mentioned I don't have a problem with them exercising their rules as they were in place but you are seemingly missing my point about the fairness of the rule. More so when you compare it to things like the NFL. It makes me believe you are either confused about word meanings or something else. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vlado 03/27/12 4:31:00 AM #180:	There is no evidence either way if you knew the difference between transvestite and transgender before this thread. Redrocket was not implicitly wrong to assume that. Also, when I see someone doing something lame, I speak out. If I ever feel a need to change that, I will. Thanks for your concern, though. -- If you like Blitzball, try Captain Tsubasa II (in English) for NES! Top games: http://unikgamer.com/users/vlado-309.html <cite>Vlado posted [p:955145] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> There is no evidence either way if you knew the difference between transvestite and transgender before this thread. Redrocket was not implicitly wrong to assume that.Also, when I see someone doing something lame, I speak out. If I ever feel a need to change that, I will. Thanks for your concern, though. -- If you like Blitzball, try Captain Tsubasa II (in English) for NES!Top games: http://unikgamer.com/users/vlado-309.html </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westbrick 03/27/12 4:36:00 AM #181:	Okay I am just going to go ahead and say you just really aren't using discrimination like everyone else is in the topic and you should probably stop using it that way for the purpose of this conversation. From Wikipedia: "Discrimination is the prejudicial treatment of an individual based on their membership - or perceived membership - in a certain group or category." That's how I'm using it. Why aren't women allowed to play in the NFL? Insert a lot of very logical reasons here including ability, concerns about injury, and other such things. Google it yourself. There are plenty of articles that explain the issue better than I probably could. I'm just using it as an example of discrimination without a publicly negative connotation. I would like to think that if she made the finals that her beauty wasn't the problem here. Maybe Canada doesn't have a lot of hot women though I don't know. So in regards to it not being clear that's true, but the judges seemed to think it was clear in this case and so I said 'clearly beautiful" for a reason. What you said was that she deserved to stay because she was "clearly beautiful." Trouble is, they're all clearly beautiful. Which doesn't address the problem in the slightest. There is no evidence either way if you knew the difference between transvestite and transgender before this thread. Redrocket was not implicitly wrong to assume that. "Evidence"? It's about basic respect. Accusing someone of not knowing the difference between something as simple as transgendered and transvestite is insulting and condescending. Again, I have nothing personal against redrocket, and my comments didn't mean to offend him in any serious way (much less posters it was entirely undirected to, such as yourself). Also, when I see someone doing something lame, I speak out. If I ever feel a need to change that, I will. Thanks for your concern, though. So you're accusing me of having thin skin, but will gladly comment on any post that riles you up in the slightest way? Hypocrisy at its finest. Ulti's right: you probably need to lay off the computer so much. -- Tebow to Jests? http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png <cite>Westbrick posted [p:955146] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> Okay I am just going to go ahead and say you just really aren't using discrimination like everyone else is in the topic and you should probably stop using it that way for the purpose of this conversation. From Wikipedia:"Discrimination is the prejudicial treatment of an individual based on their membership - or perceived membership - in a certain group or category."That's how I'm using it. Why aren't women allowed to play in the NFL? Insert a lot of very logical reasons here including ability, concerns about injury, and other such things. Google it yourself. There are plenty of articles that explain the issue better than I probably could. I'm just using it as an example of discrimination without a publicly negative connotation.I would like to think that if she made the finals that her beauty wasn't the problem here. Maybe Canada doesn't have a lot of hot women though I don't know. So in regards to it not being clear that's true, but the judges seemed to think it was clear in this case and so I said 'clearly beautiful" for a reason.What you said was that she deserved to stay because she was "clearly beautiful." Trouble is, they're all clearly beautiful. Which doesn't address the problem in the slightest. There is no evidence either way if you knew the difference between transvestite and transgender before this thread. Redrocket was not implicitly wrong to assume that."Evidence"? It's about basic respect. Accusing someone of not knowing the difference between something as simple as transgendered and transvestite is insulting and condescending. Again, I have nothing personal against redrocket, and my comments didn't mean to offend him in any serious way (much less posters it was entirely undirected to, such as yourself). Also, when I see someone doing something lame, I speak out. If I ever feel a need to change that, I will. Thanks for your concern, though.So you're accusing me of having thin skin, but will gladly comment on any post that riles you up in the slightest way? Hypocrisy at its finest. Ulti's right: you probably need to lay off the computer so much. -- Tebow to Jests?http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Achromatic 03/27/12 4:39:00 AM #182:	Websters: Prejudicial: : tending to injure or impair : detrimental <a transfer prejudicial to other creditors> 2 : leading to premature judgment or unwarranted opinion So no, that isn't the definition you are using. I don't need to google it. I just told you that you are, in fact, using the word discrimination wrong. It happens. What I said is that since they are all clearly beautiful what is the problem with her being entered? There is none. You are confusing the case with my broader argument. <cite>Achromatic posted [p:955147] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> Websters:Prejudicial: : tending to injure or impair : detrimental <a transfer prejudicial to other creditors>2: leading to premature judgment or unwarranted opinion So no, that isn't the definition you are using.I don't need to google it. I just told you that you are, in fact, using the word discrimination wrong. It happens.What I said is that since they are all clearly beautiful what is the problem with her being entered? There is none. You are confusing the case with my broader argument. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vlado 03/27/12 4:43:00 AM #183:	*Westbrick posted...* "Evidence"? It's about basic respect. Accusing someone of not knowing the difference between something as simple as transgendered and transvestite is insulting and condescending. Again, I have nothing personal against redrocket, and my comments didn't mean to offend him in any serious way (much less posters it was entirely undirected to, such as yourself). He didn't accuse you of anything, you accused yourself by posting what you did. His post only reflected yours. How hard can that be to understand??? So you're accusing me of having thin skin, but will gladly comment on any post that riles you up in the slightest way? Hypocrisy at its finest. Ulti's right: you probably need to lay off the computer so much. Rest assured, your argument with Redrocket didn't rile me up, hell, even my exchange with Ulti didn't. Thanks for your concern, though. By pointing out things you should not do, I'm doing you a favour. Not that I expect you to acknowledge it, so far you've shown you're in defensive mode and completely incapable of taking any criticism at face value. -- If you like Blitzball, try Captain Tsubasa II (in English) for NES! Top games: http://unikgamer.com/users/vlado-309.html <cite>Vlado posted [p:955148] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> Westbrick posted..."Evidence"? It's about basic respect. Accusing someone of not knowing the difference between something as simple as transgendered and transvestite is insulting and condescending. Again, I have nothing personal against redrocket, and my comments didn't mean to offend him in any serious way (much less posters it was entirely undirected to, such as yourself).He didn't accuse you of anything, you accused yourself by posting what you did. His post only reflected yours. How hard can that be to understand???So you're accusing me of having thin skin, but will gladly comment on any post that riles you up in the slightest way? Hypocrisy at its finest. Ulti's right: you probably need to lay off the computer so much.Rest assured, your argument with Redrocket didn't rile me up, hell, even my exchange with Ulti didn't. Thanks for your concern, though.By pointing out things you should not do, I'm doing you a favour. Not that I expect you to acknowledge it, so far you've shown you're in defensive mode and completely incapable of taking any criticism at face value. -- If you like Blitzball, try Captain Tsubasa II (in English) for NES!Top games: http://unikgamer.com/users/vlado-309.html </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westbrick 03/27/12 4:47:00 AM #184:	Websters: Prejudicial: : tending to injure or impair : detrimental <a transfer prejudicial to other creditors> [...] So no, that isn't the definition you are using. Except that it is. Banning girls from playing professional male sports fits this definition of prejudicial. So does looking for a specific race to play a specific role in a movie. You seem confused about what's going on here, so let me recap. One of my original points was that joyrock was making all discrimination out to be bad, when in fact people certain types of discrimination are considered perfectly acceptable. You're arguing that the word "discrimination" implies that it cannot be considered acceptable (which is supported be neither definition you provided). Even if your incorrect opinion were correct, it wouldn't impact the conversation in any substantial way. I suggest you stop focusing on semantics. What I said is that since they are all clearly beautiful what is the problem with her being entered? There is none.* You are confusing the case with my broader argument.* The rules state that transgendered applicants should not be accepted. -- Tebow to Jests? http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png <cite>Westbrick posted [p:955149] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> Websters:Prejudicial: : tending to injure or impair : detrimental <a transfer prejudicial to other creditors>[...]So no, that isn't the definition you are using.Except that it is. Banning girls from playing professional male sports fits this definition of prejudicial. So does looking for a specific race to play a specific role in a movie. You seem confused about what's going on here, so let me recap. One of my original points was that joyrock was making all discrimination out to be bad, when in fact people certain types of discrimination are considered perfectly acceptable. You're arguing that the word "discrimination" implies that it cannot be considered acceptable (which is supported be neither definition you provided). Even if your incorrect opinion were correct, it wouldn't impact the conversation in any substantial way. I suggest you stop focusing on semantics. What I said is that since they are all clearly beautiful what is the problem with her being entered? There is none. You are confusing the case with my broader argument.The rules state that transgendered applicants should not be accepted. -- Tebow to Jests?http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Achromatic 03/27/12 4:49:00 AM #185:	Okay well I know when I am being trolled. Later then. <cite>Achromatic posted [p:955150] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> Okay well I know when I am being trolled.Later then. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westbrick 03/27/12 4:50:00 AM #186:	He didn't accuse you of anything, you accused yourself by posting what you did. His post only reflected yours. How hard can that be to understand??? This isn't complicated. redrocket could have approached my post in a number of ways: 1) Said nothing. 2) Said something substantive, assuming that I had made a small mistake. 3) Said something substantive while asking about whether I really meant "transgendered." Instead, he made a post dedicated to nothing but correcting my word usage, and did so in a condescending fashion. That's it. Rest assured, your argument with Redrocket didn't rile me up, hell, even my exchange with Ulti didn't. Thanks for your concern, though. I'm not concerned about you. And if you aren't bothered by the argument, then why don't you stop posting? What do you seek to gain by speaking on redrocket's behalf? -- Tebow to Jests? http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png <cite>Westbrick posted [p:955151] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> He didn't accuse you of anything, you accused yourself by posting what you did. His post only reflected yours. How hard can that be to understand???This isn't complicated. redrocket could have approached my post in a number of ways:1) Said nothing.2) Said something substantive, assuming that I had made a small mistake.3) Said something substantive while asking about whether I really meant "transgendered."Instead, he made a post dedicated to nothing but correcting my word usage, and did so in a condescending fashion. That's it. Rest assured, your argument with Redrocket didn't rile me up, hell, even my exchange with Ulti didn't. Thanks for your concern, though.I'm not concerned about you. And if you aren't bothered by the argument, then why don't you stop posting? What do you seek to gain by speaking on redrocket's behalf? -- Tebow to Jests?http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westbrick 03/27/12 4:53:00 AM #187:	I really wish I had a damn edit function so I didn't have to clog the topic with a hundred posts. But I can't help myself with this one: Okay well I know when I am being trolled. Later then. I seriously hate the anonymity of the internet sometimes. Dude comes on, makes a bunch of inane posts which ask questions without offering up a unique position, doesn't understand what's going on, and then has the sheer audacity to declare he's "being trolled" when his weak arguments get called out. See, this is why I'm looking forward to law school: no running away, no hiding behind your computer monitor, and not everyone's a huge baby who can't take criticism or lighthearted insults. -- Tebow to Jests? http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png <cite>Westbrick posted [p:955152] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> I really wish I had a damn edit function so I didn't have to clog the topic with a hundred posts. But I can't help myself with this one:Okay well I know when I am being trolled.Later then.I seriously hate the anonymity of the internet sometimes. Dude comes on, makes a bunch of inane posts which ask questions without offering up a unique position, doesn't understand what's going on, and then has the sheer audacity to declare he's "being trolled" when his weak arguments get called out. See, this is why I'm looking forward to law school: no running away, no hiding behind your computer monitor, and not everyone's a huge baby who can't take criticism or lighthearted insults. -- Tebow to Jests?http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Achromatic 03/27/12 4:56:00 AM #188:	Complains about semantics. Is going to law school. Oh dear this could be an issue. Oh, and as for the rest of that stupid post: Bwhahaha. <cite>Achromatic posted [p:955153] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> Complains about semantics.Is going to law school.Oh dear this could be an issue.Oh, and as for the rest of that stupid post: Bwhahaha. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westbrick 03/27/12 5:04:00 AM #189:	Complains about semantics. Is going to law school. Oh dear this could be an issue. It's very clear that you have no idea what the legal profession involves. Definitional clarity is a part, not the whole. Oh, and as for the rest of that stupid post: Bwhahaha. Stunning rejoinder. Please either post something substantive or stop posting. -- Tebow to Jests? http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png <cite>Westbrick posted [p:955154] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> Complains about semantics.Is going to law school.Oh dear this could be an issue.It's very clear that you have no idea what the legal profession involves. Definitional clarity is a part, not the whole. Oh, and as for the rest of that stupid post: Bwhahaha.Stunning rejoinder. Please either post something substantive or stop posting. -- Tebow to Jests?http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Achromatic 03/27/12 5:07:00 AM #190:	I think I'd rather make fun of you, Bricky. You seem very uptight and not all that smart. I like people who think they are smarter than they are and when rebuffed go on rants about inanity, positions needing to be unique, and how the websters definition of prejudicial is either wrong or they don't know how to read words. <cite>Achromatic posted [p:955155] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> I think I'd rather make fun of you, Bricky. You seem very uptight and not all that smart. I like people who think they are smarter than they are and when rebuffed go on rants about inanity, positions needing to be unique, and how the websters definition of prejudicial is either wrong or they don't know how to read words. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Achromatic 03/27/12 5:08:00 AM #191:	As the home audience can tell I don't really mind being trolled as long as I realize I am being trolled. Once I have that frame of mind in my head it is all gravy. Anyway continue to lead the courtroom please. <cite>Achromatic posted [p:955156] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> As the home audience can tell I don't really mind being trolled as long as I realize I am being trolled. Once I have that frame of mind in my head it is all gravy.Anyway continue to lead the courtroom please. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 03/27/12 5:13:00 AM #192:	*VitalVI posted...* the ruling was bs. anyone who agree's with it should be killed, in the slowest and most painful way possible. why hello there MWE -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npHDxSvwCE0 <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:955157] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> VitalVI posted...the ruling was bs.anyone who agree's with it should be killed, in the slowest and most painful way possible.why hello there MWE -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npHDxSvwCE0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westbrick 03/27/12 5:17:00 AM #193:	I think I'd rather make fun of you, Bricky. You seem very uptight and not all that smart. I like people who think they are smarter than they are and when rebuffed go on rants about inanity, positions needing to be unique, and how the websters definition of prejudicial is either wrong or they don't know how to read words. We have this in common: undeserved arrogance is my great pet peeve. Speaking frankly, I don't want to be a part of the conversation that derails the topic, so why don't we try and get things back on track? You've yet to respond to my earlier point, so I invite you to do so now. To reiterate, I'm arguing that discrimination (understood here as the selection of certain people over others for a certain purpose based on race/gender/etc.) is not always considered a bad thing. If it makes you feel better, you can consider my definition of discrimination a "rogue" definition or whatever. Operating within this definitional context, what would your response be? -- Tebow to Jests? http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png <cite>Westbrick posted [p:955158] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> I think I'd rather make fun of you, Bricky. You seem very uptight and not all that smart. I like people who think they are smarter than they are and when rebuffed go on rants about inanity, positions needing to be unique, and how the websters definition of prejudicial is either wrong or they don't know how to read words.We have this in common: undeserved arrogance is my great pet peeve. Speaking frankly, I don't want to be a part of the conversation that derails the topic, so why don't we try and get things back on track? You've yet to respond to my earlier point, so I invite you to do so now. To reiterate, I'm arguing that discrimination (understood here as the selection of certain people over others for a certain purpose based on race/gender/etc.) is not always considered a bad thing. If it makes you feel better, you can consider my definition of discrimination a "rogue" definition or whatever. Operating within this definitional context, what would your response be? -- Tebow to Jests?http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Achromatic 03/27/12 5:21:00 AM #194:	Oh if Vlado and Ulti can't derail the topic I don't know what harm we could do. But... Okay well if you were to use that rogue definition then I would of course agree, as there is no logic to not agree that discerning between two people based off of certain factors that is not meant to be harmful is not always bad. The root of this argument from the start had to do with other people using the word to mean one thing and you having this rogue definition so when you read previous posts you misrepresented what the people were actually attempting to say. <cite>Achromatic posted [p:955159] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> Oh if Vlado and Ulti can't derail the topic I don't know what harm we could do. But...Okay well if you were to use that rogue definition then I would of course agree, as there is no logic to not agree that discerning between two people based off of certain factors that is not meant to be harmful is not always bad. The root of this argument from the start had to do with other people using the word to mean one thing and you having this rogue definition so when you read previous posts you misrepresented what the people were actually attempting to say. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ayuyu 03/27/12 5:31:00 AM #195:	This woman's hot, I think that's all that should ever matter for a contest like this one. If she was pre-op maybe, I mean she wouldn't have chances anyway but now she's a full-fledged woman so I don't see what's the problem at all. So yeah, stupid ruling. -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic <cite>Ayuyu posted [p:955160] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> This woman's hot, I think that's all that should ever matter for a contest like this one.If she was pre-op maybe, I mean she wouldn't have chances anyway but now she's a full-fledged woman so I don't see what's the problem at all.So yeah, stupid ruling. -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gifhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westbrick 03/27/12 5:33:00 AM #196:	The root of this argument from the start had to do with other people using the word to mean one thing and you having this rogue definition so when you read previous posts you misrepresented what the people were actually attempting to say. The root of the argument, from how I saw things, was that people felt it was "unfair" that the lady in question would be disqualified based on her status as transgendered. Some users, such as joyrock, made it seem as though discrimination (understood in my sense) generally is considered a bad thing. In reality, such discriminations are commonplace, and can actually be beneficial; I would personally argue, for example, that relegating women out of men's professional sports betters the activity. The crux of the issue, then, is not simply that she's being discriminated against (again, in my sense), but whether or not this specific instance of discrimination is particularly unfair. In response to this new point, I've argued that the entire process of a beauty contest is based on superficial, biologically-determined (and thus definitionally "unfair") factors, making one's disqualification for being transgendered not unusual or a particularly big deal. That the rules state this explicitly only adds to the argument. All that out of the way, I guess my question to you is as follows: what's your take on all this? Was your involvement only to clarify my use of the word "discrimination," or do you have a view of your own? And if so, how does it mesh with the one I've just laid out above? -- Tebow to Jests? http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png <cite>Westbrick posted [p:955161] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> The root of this argument from the start had to do with other people using the word to mean one thing and you having this rogue definition so when you read previous posts you misrepresented what the people were actually attempting to say.The root of the argument, from how I saw things, was that people felt it was "unfair" that the lady in question would be disqualified based on her status as transgendered. Some users, such as joyrock, made it seem as though discrimination (understood in my sense) generally is considered a bad thing. In reality, such discriminations are commonplace, and can actually be beneficial; I would personally argue, for example, that relegating women out of men's professional sports betters the activity.The crux of the issue, then, is not simply that she's being discriminated against (again, in my sense), but whether or not this specific instance of discrimination is particularly unfair. In response to this new point, I've argued that the entire process of a beauty contest is based on superficial, biologically-determined (and thus definitionally "unfair") factors, making one's disqualification for being transgendered not unusual or a particularly big deal. That the rules state this explicitly only adds to the argument.All that out of the way, I guess my question to you is as follows: what's your take on all this? Was your involvement only to clarify my use of the word "discrimination," or do you have a view of your own? And if so, how does it mesh with the one I've just laid out above? -- Tebow to Jests?http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Achromatic 03/27/12 5:34:00 AM #197:	Westbrick, I posted before you did about discrimination stating my opinion. Here is my original statement: From: Achromatic \| #153 Okay well first off the people who made the person into a woman did a pretty bang up job. Secondly I don't have a big problem with the ruling although I think as times change and as we as a people try to accept people for who they are it is okay to do away with such rules. The rules are the rules: It is a competition, it is not a natural right of anyone to compete in this competition, and whatever preset rules are therefore completely within their rights to make. What society's job is to do is to judge these rules. If you think it is unfair and unjust then you say so with the hammer that is social media and enough bad press is going to make anyone tap out and change. The rules are how they are, I am guessing, because a vast majority of people would agree with them. It is pretty hard to change stuff when there is fairly little public out cry over such instances. Now mind you this doesn't say it is right or anything, because she looks good and if people want to vote for her then I don't see the problem. On the other hand if we are going to be ripping to shreds discrimination then I would really like to start at places much more important and much more to do with decency, humanity, and all around love for our fellow people than if someone who looks smoking is allowed to become Miss Universe. It sucks for her sure, but the world has a lot bigger, more basic, and more pressing issues than this one and so I am of the opinion we have a long way to go as a global society before we can even begin to tackle this particular issue. When it comes to the rights of transgendered people we are in first grade right now and this issue is a high school problem. I don't really care to get involved in the argument between Vlado and Ulti because you guys could have saved the Titanic with the heat you two are giving off. I will say this though: Since when does a rule being in place, Vlado, make it "fair." Rules have very little to do with fairness and more about the politics of what most people will be pleased with. Did you read this yet? <cite>Achromatic posted [p:955162] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> Westbrick, I posted before you did about discrimination stating my opinion. Here is my original statement: From: Achromatic \| #153Okay well first off the people who made the person into a woman did a pretty bang up job. Secondly I don't have a big problem with the ruling although I think as times change and as we as a people try to accept people for who they are it is okay to do away with such rules.The rules are the rules: It is a competition, it is not a natural right of anyone to compete in this competition, and whatever preset rules are therefore completely within their rights to make. What society's job is to do is to judge these rules. If you think it is unfair and unjust then you say so with the hammer that is social media and enough bad press is going to make anyone tap out and change. The rules are how they are, I am guessing, because a vast majority of people would agree with them. It is pretty hard to change stuff when there is fairly little public out cry over such instances.Now mind you this doesn't say it is right or anything, because she looks good and if people want to vote for her then I don't see the problem. On the other hand if we are going to be ripping to shreds discrimination then I would really like to start at places much more important and much more to do with decency, humanity, and all around love for our fellow people than if someone who looks smoking is allowed to become Miss Universe. It sucks for her sure, but the world has a lot bigger, more basic, and more pressing issues than this one and so I am of the opinion we have a long way to go as a global society before we can even begin to tackle this particular issue. When it comes to the rights of transgendered people we are in first grade right now and this issue is a high school problem.I don't really care to get involved in the argument between Vlado and Ulti because you guys could have saved the Titanic with the heat you two are giving off. I will say this though: Since when does a rule being in place, Vlado, make it "fair." Rules have very little to do with fairness and more about the politics of what most people will be pleased with.Did you read this yet? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westbrick 03/27/12 5:43:00 AM #198:	I didn't attribute that post to you, no. And what do you know, we basically agree! Questions about the "proper" definition of discrimination aside (it's subtle either way; you want to make it out to always be harmful, while I maintain the opposite), we seem to be well in line with one another's views on this issue, and I don't disagree with much in that post. That said, I wonder how you feel about all those nasty things you said earlier. -- Tebow to Jests? http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png <cite>Westbrick posted [p:955163] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> I didn't attribute that post to you, no. And what do you know, we basically agree! Questions about the "proper" definition of discrimination aside (it's subtle either way; you want to make it out to always be harmful, while I maintain the opposite), we seem to be well in line with one another's views on this issue, and I don't disagree with much in that post.That said, I wonder how you feel about all those nasty things you said earlier. -- Tebow to Jests?http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Achromatic 03/27/12 5:54:00 AM #199:	Well I said what I said under the thought you had read that post and thus were kind of screwing with me. I am sorry that we had a mutual misunderstanding, but I know it happens and it isn't something to really feel too bad about. I've said much worse! <cite>Achromatic posted [p:955164] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> Well I said what I said under the thought you had read that post and thus were kind of screwing with me. I am sorry that we had a mutual misunderstanding, but I know it happens and it isn't something to really feel too bad about. I've said much worse! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westbrick 03/27/12 6:07:00 AM #200:	I am sorry that we had a mutual misunderstanding, but I know it happens and it isn't something to really feel too bad about. I've said much worse! I can be quite a dick myself. No worries. -- Tebow to Jests? http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png <cite>Westbrick posted [p:955165] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> I am sorry that we had a mutual misunderstanding, but I know it happens and it isn't something to really feel too bad about. I've said much worse!I can be quite a dick myself. No worries. -- Tebow to Jests?http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Achromatic 03/27/12 6:09:00 AM #201:	An internet argument that ended civilly. What is the world coming to. <cite>Achromatic posted [p:955166] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> An internet argument that ended civilly.What is the world coming to. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VintageGin 03/27/12 6:23:00 AM #202:	This entire topic is way more civil than I expected. It keeps looking like it's going to explode, but all the arguments just kinda fizzle out. It's quite impressive, though a little disappointing as well. -- Ginhyun http://img.imgcake.com/Ginhyun/dog198jpgry.jpg <cite>VintageGin posted [p:955167] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> This entire topic is way more civil than I expected. It keeps looking like it's going to explode, but all the arguments just kinda fizzle out.It's quite impressive, though a little disappointing as well. -- Ginhyunhttp://img.imgcake.com/Ginhyun/dog198jpgry.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Biolizard28 03/27/12 6:30:00 AM #203:	Discrimination is fine as long as you're doing it for real reasons that are relevant to the position. This situation is messy, though, since it involves several different definitions of "woman." -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo Now this is entertainment! <cite>Biolizard28 posted [p:955168] in Canadian M... [t:62368428]...</cite> <quote> Discrimination is fine as long as you're doing it for real reasons that are relevant to the position.This situation is messy, though, since it involves several different definitions of "woman." -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmoNow this is entertainment! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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