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SBell0105
05/12/12 7:58:00 AM
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a majority of the board seems to think its amazing.

I fail to understand why.

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Whiskey_Nick
05/12/12 8:00:00 AM
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YES

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SBell0105
05/12/12 8:01:00 AM
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From: NioraptH | #003
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so then Wrestling fans are in support of Gay Marriage?

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Pram_the_Oracle
05/12/12 8:07:00 AM
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I think I read somebody's post who likens it to Soap Operas. But for men.

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05/12/12 8:08:00 AM
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DpObliVion
05/12/12 8:24:00 AM
#8:


Athletic competition mixed with drama and comedy, although scripted.

I recently got back into it, a little over a year ago, but I've lost interest again.


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JaKyL25
05/12/12 8:31:00 AM
#9:


It's like comics, but with better action and worse writing.

It's also the ultimate in performance art, improv, and good old fashioned carny huckstering.

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Tom Bombadil
05/12/12 8:36:00 AM
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The "soap opera for men" concept is a quick way to summarize it.

For me, I think the draws are:

-It's scripted competition. It's a never-ending ongoing story with lots of twists and turns and a defined structure and lots of characters interacting and developing. All of those appeal to me.
-The pageantry. It's not something I think about much, but there's just something special about your favorite guy's theme blasting through the arena as he enters and poses to a cascade of pyrotechnics, ready to give that other guy his comeuppance.
-Analyzing and debating with other wrestling fans, and coming up with your own ideas. It gets neckbeard-y really quickly, but I think a lot of the fun is in taking a critical eye and discussing what you would do differently if you were in charge or what you did or didn't like about the way things play out or what you think will/should happen next. Heck, two games on the shortlist for my favorite of all time are wrestling booking sims, where you can take charge of WWE or whoever you want and run them YOUR way. I don't think I'd be as into wrasslin' as I am without that to hold my interest. For whatever reason, it's a medium that lends itself really well to that kind of thing. I think that's part of what I'm trying to say with "defined structure."
-The action can be hokey, sure, but when it's done well it's really awesome. Same for the storylines, really. And the athleticism and skill required to pull it off is really impressive when you stop and think about it and learn a bit about the industry.
-It's just plain ol' veg material (unless you get really super into it). If nothing else, it's a guilty pleasure that you can flip on and zone out and enjoy.

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Tom Bombadil
05/12/12 8:36:00 AM
#11:


jakyl'd

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Whiskey_Nick
05/12/12 8:40:00 AM
#12:


HBK in the ring is the best form of art known to humanity

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XIII_rocks
05/12/12 8:42:00 AM
#13:


There are two answers to this question

The Rock
CM Punk

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XIII_rocks
05/12/12 8:44:00 AM
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Bonus third option: Mason Ryan

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Tornadoman78
05/12/12 9:20:00 AM
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i rather see hot women wrestle each other insted

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SBell0105
05/12/12 9:35:00 AM
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Ertyu that's called porn

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Haguile
05/12/12 9:37:00 AM
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It's extremely cheesy and the writing is so bad that it's actually endearing. Plus the action can be pretty cool.
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Metal_DK
05/12/12 9:37:00 AM
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the acting is so horribly bad that i dont understand it's appeal either.

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voltch
05/12/12 9:38:00 AM
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Same level of soap opera as basketball, just as scripted.

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Tornadoman78
05/12/12 9:40:00 AM
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so what if it is i rather watch the women wrestle more then men anyway

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voltch
05/12/12 9:40:00 AM
#21:


Also WWF PPV cards are somehow more unpredictable than UFC PPV cards.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
05/12/12 9:40:00 AM
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Pretty much what Tom Said.

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Haguile
05/12/12 9:46:00 AM
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From: Metal_DK | #018
the acting is so horribly bad that i dont understand it's appeal either.


Honestly if the acting was good I don't think I'd enjoy it as much. It's the over the top cheesy "they are really saying this with a straight face" part of wrestling that appeals to me.
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Shoenin_Kakashi
05/12/12 10:22:00 AM
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postin some botchamania


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Tornadoman78
05/12/12 10:30:00 AM
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how about also we have the Men wrestle the women that be good too

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ninkendo
05/12/12 10:46:00 AM
#26:


I do believe if it wasn't something you were into when you were a kid you probably won't be into it later in life

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GTMplusCATS
05/12/12 10:59:00 AM
#27:


Random things not mentioned yet i think

Atmosphere. Rowdy crowds really get me into it.

Community. People like Haguile and Biscuit and awesome users and their presence gives me a reason to come back to the topics and stay engaged

Habit. Raw and SD have been around me for so long its hard to imagine me just dropping it.

Sheamus.

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XIII_rocks
05/12/12 11:02:00 AM
#28:


Oh yeah the community is a huge reason. If it wasn't for the Raw chat every week I wouldn't watch with the religious regularity that I do.

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DanielBryan
05/12/12 11:05:00 AM
#29:




YES! YES! YES! YES! YESSSSS!

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__Smurf__
05/12/12 11:15:00 AM
#30:


Used to obsess over it as a kid. Drama, violence and over the top shenanigans is every little boys perfect show.

Why grown men are into it I've no idea, once you tweak at how scripted everything is its difficult to enjoy it to the same degree. Its still easy watching, I can think of a lot of worse things to watch.

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Rad Link 5
05/12/12 11:17:00 AM
#31:


We're not watching it in spite of it being scripted. We're watching it because it's scripted.

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Tom Bombadil
05/12/12 11:18:00 AM
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I don't get the "it's scripted" criticism

so are lots of things

I mean yes I get that wrestling tries harder to keep up the illusion (or at least it used to) but nobody goes into Avengers saying "man this is so fake"

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TagTeamTeddy
05/12/12 11:18:00 AM
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I like tag team matches, playa.

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Panthera
05/12/12 11:19:00 AM
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From: __Smurf__ | #030
Why grown men are into it I've no idea, once you tweak at how scripted everything is its difficult to enjoy it to the same degree.


This is seriously one of the most incomprehensible reasons to dislike something. Damn near everything in the entertainment industry is completely scripted and we're going to criticize one of the *less* scripted things (in that the action is generally mostly improvised, as opposed to being 100% choreographed like in, say, an action movie, and some guys do improvise their promos at least in part and often have to cover for mistakes and so forth) for being too scripted?

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iiicon
05/12/12 11:19:00 AM
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how can you not see the appeal of two old japanese men beating the hell out of each other


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05/12/12 11:20:00 AM
#36:


Well no one thinks avengers is real in the first place

People I talk to are like "omg hes punching him is this real, hes going to die" and then when he finds out its scripted they move into "omg its fake why watch this"

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Rad Link 5
05/12/12 11:24:00 AM
#37:


People who are watching wrestling for real combat-based competition are idiots, though.

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Tom Bombadil
05/12/12 11:24:00 AM
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I forget that there are still people over the age of ten that think it's real >_>

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GTM
05/12/12 11:27:00 AM
#39:


I am one of them sometimes!

Damn reality era

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TVontheRadio
05/12/12 11:30:00 AM
#40:


it's like theatre but with a lot more violence

if you like theatre you'll probably like wrestling!

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__Smurf__
05/12/12 11:35:00 AM
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From: Panthera | #034
This is seriously one of the most incomprehensible reasons to dislike something. Damn near everything in the entertainment industry is completely scripted and we're going to criticize one of the *less* scripted things (in that the action is generally mostly improvised, as opposed to being 100% choreographed like in, say, an action movie, and some guys do improvise their promos at least in part and often have to cover for mistakes and so forth) for being too scripted?


It's not that difficult to understand The thrill in sport is in the fair contest and the unpredictable nature of that, if you believe that everything is as it seems (which a child would) then wrestling appears a very exciting sport. When you start viewing it in the context of a scripted play its dull and tedious in comparison to TV and Movies. Figuring out wrestling isn't real doesn't ruin it because its scripted, it ruins it because you no longer view it as a fair sport which previously bridged the entertainment gap to scripted tvs/movies.

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Rad Link 5
05/12/12 11:36:00 AM
#42:


From: __Smurf__ | #041
The thrill in sport


But it's not sport.

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Panthera
05/12/12 11:43:00 AM
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From: __Smurf__ | #041
It's not that difficult to understand The thrill in sport is in the fair contest and the unpredictable nature of that, if you believe that everything is as it seems (which a child would) then wrestling appears a very exciting sport. When you start viewing it in the context of a scripted play its dull and tedious in comparison to TV and Movies. Figuring out wrestling isn't real doesn't ruin it because its scripted, it ruins it because you no longer view it as a fair sport which previously bridged the entertainment gap to scripted tvs/movies.


Except it's not a sport, next to no one is unaware that it's scripted, and the people being discussed in this topic (ie board 8 wrestling fans) definitely don't think it's real and would probably hate it if it were (what with the legally getting away with all manner of ridiculous crap and trying to cripple people on a daily basis). There is no "comparison to TV", that doesn't even make sense, it's the same as any other TV show, except ironically less scripted than the vast majority due to the need for improvisation.

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XIII_rocks
05/12/12 11:43:00 AM
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From: Tom Bombadil | #032
I don't get the "it's scripted" criticism

so are lots of things

I mean yes I get that wrestling tries harder to keep up the illusion (or at least it used to) but nobody goes into Avengers saying "man this is so fake"


Yeah I think basically the "it's scripted" criticism is an evolution of the "you know it's fake, right?" crowd.

People used to - and still do, though to a lesser extent - talk down to wrestling fans and criticise them for actually believing it is "real", though very few people actually do at this point.

But now more and more people are realizing that isn't a tenable position anymore so the new criticism is "how can you enjoy this if you know it's fake?" It's like trackable progress.

On top of all that, you are responding to Smurf, and if ever there was a user who has literally not made a single good post in about a decade of posting on board 8...

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XIII_rocks
05/12/12 11:44:00 AM
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Yeah I actually read that post in full and holy christ it's just absolutely atrocious and appalling logic.

Leave, literally forever.

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edwardsdv
05/12/12 11:53:00 AM
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Its fun to watch and play along. Its like along why go to see a play.

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Mr Lasastryke
05/12/12 11:54:00 AM
#47:


Countering "wrestling sucks because it's scripted" with "so is The Avengers" is stupid because wrestling is... not a movie. Smurf's criticism isn't that nothing that's scripted can possibly be good, it's that if wrestling is scripted, it loses all its appeal, which isn't the case with movies.

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Panthera
05/12/12 11:57:00 AM
#48:


From: Mr Lasastryke | #047
Countering "wrestling sucks because it's scripted" with "so is The Avengers" is stupid because wrestling is... not a movie. Smurf's criticism isn't that nothing that's scripted can possibly be good, it's that if wrestling is scripted, it loses all its appeal, which isn't the case with movies.

I don't agree with this criticism, but at least counter it with valid arguments.


That is a valid response because his entire argument is nonsense. If "wrestling sucks because its scripted" is valid, then "The Avengers sucks because its scripted" is also valid, because the only point you're making is that being scripted is bad. Wrestling being scripted doesn't detract from its appeal at all because absolutely no one of relevance thinks its real and it being real would not improve the product in any way (would actually make it way worse).

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Rad Link 5
05/12/12 12:00:00 PM
#49:


From: Mr Lasastryke | #047
it's that if wrestling is scripted, it loses all its appeal


Professional wrestling is always scripted.

So saying "if wrestling is scripted, it loses all its appeal" is just saying "wrestling has no appeal because it's scripted" which goes right back to Tom's point, which is "why does something being scripted have anything to do with whether or not it can be entertaining?"

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XIII_rocks
05/12/12 12:04:00 PM
#50:


From: Mr Lasastryke | #047
Countering "wrestling sucks because it's scripted" with "so is The Avengers" is stupid because wrestling is... not a movie. Smurf's criticism isn't that nothing that's scripted can possibly be good, it's that if wrestling is scripted, it loses all its appeal, which isn't the case with movies.

I don't agree with this criticism, but at least counter it with valid arguments.


No, it doesn't deserve valid arguments. It's literally not even an argument worth considering or debating. Honestly, the fact that people have given it anything above "pffftt hahahaha" is a testament to the patience of certain people.

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