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Pirateking2000 posted...

I'm wondering what is up with the part of the preview where Amon is doing a weird "force choke" hand motion thing

Looks like he's bloodbending tbqh.

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- But I think I've spotted a (minor) plothole. Yakone was a huge deal, and would've surely been one of the biggest news stories across the world when he did what he did in the Republic City courtroom. So why didn't Korra know about bloodbending on days other than a full moon? Surely Katara would have told her? Even if she didn't, the knowledge that it had happened would've been freely available. Oh well.

Korra lives in the South Pole, so it's not terribly unlikely that she simply didn't know about Yakone.

On the other hand, it's a well kept secret among elders of the Water Tribes because they don't want to open the door for other, potentially power hungry, waterbenders to attempt to learn Yakone's secrets.

Sort of like how Germany hates having to talk about the Third Reich.

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Amon is Mako and Bolin's Father.

That explains why Mako wasn't shooting at Amon in the preview. Also both had their families killed by a fire bender so it seems like a match to me. Now who is that fire bender if they are even important.

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UberPyro64 posted...

Amon is Mako and Bolin's Father.

That explains why Mako wasn't shooting at Amon in the preview. Also both had their families killed by a fire bender so it seems like a match to me. Now who is that fire bender if they are even important.

inb4 "Mako I AM YOUR FATHER"

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Kotetsu534 posted...

- But I think I've spotted a (minor) plothole. Yakone was a huge deal, and would've surely been one of the biggest news stories across the world when he did what he did in the Republic City courtroom. So why didn't Korra know about bloodbending on days other than a full moon? Surely Katara would have told her? Even if she didn't, the knowledge that it had happened would've been freely available. Oh well.

They made it pretty clear that this seemed to be a special ability only Yakone was able to do, and he had it taken away, so there's no reason for it to be common knowledge 40 years later in the South Pole.

Oh man, finally caught up.

Why is this show so good.

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GenesisSaga posted...

Pirateking2000 posted...

I'm wondering what is up with the part of the preview where Amon is doing a weird "force choke" hand motion thing

Looks like he's bloodbending tbqh.

hmm

so if Amon happens to be Yakone

deals with Tarrlok then secretly has him sent away so he is somewhat helping Tarrlok out?

dealt with bloodbending etc

meh random theory although Amon might just be someone we haven't seen

also it seemed there was bad blood between Yakone and Tarrlok

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I think it's neat that Amon the Villain took away Tarrlok's super blood bending just like Aang the Hero took away Yakone's super blood bending. And for the exact same reason.

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Amon is very Magneto-like, which is an amazing template and requires effort to botch. I dig the direction they continue to have him and the equalists go. Chaotic neutral ftw.

I think he's just Amon, and probably doesn't have any ties to anyone we know of, but is instead working basically on behalf of some spirit that has issues with bending and the Avatar. There has to be some sort of clue that'll be obvious later with his reaction to Tarlokk trying to bloodbend him. Yeah he terminatored it, but it had an effect initially.

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There are definitely some parallels between Amon and Aang. There are a lot of ways they can go from here, and they would all be pretty cool. I can't wait to see what happens.

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Up to this point has Amon taken away bending from a non-criminal?

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Lin's soldiers (though Amon, to be fair, did tell Republic City that any bender who opposed him would have their bending taken away beforehand, and the soldiers opposed him).

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Tahno as well. He was a dick, but not a criminal. Unless you count cheating.

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From: CoolCly | #225
Oh man he ended up having an equalist glove I guess Genny was ri - Oh wait no, she was still completely wrong. Man that's so embarrassing acting that smug about this victory when it's actually a complete defeat.


If you really want to get into the details of it, he never did the set up until after Korra was gone in the truck. He didn't have the glove when he put her in the truck, so he must have gotten it after.

SOMEHOW you misinterpreted his dark skin as an equalist glove... and coincidentally he brought one out in the next episode.

But lets go back to the scene you saw the glove.

EXHIBIT A.


Soooo point to where on the picture you see an Equalist glove. I'll wait!

Since you are so good at differentiating skin tone from black gloves with big green power sources I'm sure it won't take long.
I would like to point out that I posted the exact same picture except my quality sucked >_>

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From: Viviff | #259
Amon is very Magneto-like, which is an amazing template and requires effort to botch. I dig the direction they continue to have him and the equalists go. Chaotic neutral ftw.

I think he's just Amon, and probably doesn't have any ties to anyone we know of, but is instead working basically on behalf of some spirit that has issues with bending and the Avatar. There has to be some sort of clue that'll be obvious later with his reaction to Tarlokk trying to bloodbend him. Yeah he terminatored it, but it had an effect initially.


My Koh the Face Stealer theory still has a chance!

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I just began watching. I'm on episode three.

Do people tend to like this as much as the original?

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I like it as much as the original, but not more. It's doing a lot of things better than Last Airbender but a few things not as well. You'll see for yourself I guess.

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I guess I liked the original more, but then, the original was complete when I watched it. No waiting.

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I'd say I like the original slightly more, but it's hard because the formats are totally different. Airbender was kind of an epic, with lots of filler and side stuff. Korra is more like one single story being told from start to finish with not too much interruption. It's kind of like if one of the side quest episodes of Airbender was fleshed out and made into it's own series or something. Not quite like that, but that's the only way I can really explain it.

But I like them both. Quite a bit. Korra is about a zillion times better than Aang, but the supporting cast is nowhere near as good as the likes of Toph, Iroh, or Sokka. Lin is still pretty bad ass though.

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To me Korra and Amon beat both of their counterparts in Airbender, and the supporting cast in Airbender beat their counterparts in Korra.

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tee316 posted...

To me Korra and Amon beat both of their counterparts in Airbender, and the supporting cast in Airbender beat their counterparts in Korra.

Anyone would beat Ozai.

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From: Anagram | #267

I just began watching. I'm on episode three.

Do people tend to like this as much as the original?

Well, I'm not gonna say that I like these 9 episodes more than the entirety of the original series, but it is an excellent sequel series so far. I doubt it will be able to surpass the genius of the first series, though, even after all 26 episodes.

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I was kind of disappointed by the Tarlok resolution. Thought he was going to be a big character for at least the next few eps. On the other hand this makes me extremely curious how the season is going to end. I'm kind of thinking that Republic City is going to fall and Korra will come close to death but get saved by someone at the last second. Pretty much Crossroads of Destiny from ATLA.

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Yeah, can see Tenzin having his bending removed trying to protect Korra and she going into the Avatar state because of it, or at least escaping after.

I don't think it can be directly compared to the original yet. I'd definitely take the nine episodes we've seen so far over any series of nine in the original... but that's not a fair comparison, because the original's 61 eps long. When all 26 are done, better comparisons can be made...

That said, Korra is noticeable different in structure. TLA was a sprawling adventure, with far more time devoted to character development than to the over-arching story. Some of the notional "villains" - Zuko, Iroh - are some of the most interesting characters in the show, and get significant time in the limelight. If you were to turn the original into a (representative) video game, it'd be a gigantic 100 hour JRPG with great character interaction, lots of towns, lots of small events, a few large memorable flash points, and a fairly sparse story. Korra (season one, anyway) would work much better as a tough third person adventure game, with the main character the player's avatar, lots of interaction with the villain, a grittier tone, and one central setting.

What I think also shouldn't be forgotten is that the standard of animation is extremely high in every episode during Korra, when it wasn't always so great (especially in season 1) in the original.

I think I enjoy watching Korra one ep. a week much more than TLA, but if I was going to binge on a DVD of episodes, I'd rather be with Aang and co.

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From: Kotetsu534 | #276

I'd definitely take the nine episodes we've seen so far over any series of nine in the original...

The Drill up to the S2 finale

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I know I would take And the Winner Is... over any episode in either series, but that episode is the peak. When Extremes Meet is also pretty spectacular, but these two were above standard from what I've seen.

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From: foolm0ron | #277
From: Kotetsu534 | #276

I'd definitely take the nine episodes we've seen so far over any series of nine in the original...

The Drill up to the S2 finale
That is truly an amazing set of episodes.

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I would like it more if Korra's dialogue didn't consist of gasps and cheesy cliches

"YOU WONT GET AWAY WITH THIS" is getting a bit old.

Amon is clearly the stand out so far. There are no characters as good as Azula/Zuko but it's only Season 1 so I'm not too upset.

What I like most is the theme they're setting with the equalists. I said at the premiere that the biggest weakness of Last Airbender was that Fire Lord lacked purpose; he was simply bad for the sake of a show needing a Big Villian. Zuko And Azula dwarfed him in character.

Amon isn't really a bad guy. Yeah, he might take vigilantism too far but on the other hand he brings up a valid point: Bending really is negative on the world at large. This isn't superiority like one person being Faster/Stronger/Smarter, this is superiority like:

I can shoot F'ING FIRE OUT OF MY HANDS OR CONTROL YOUR BLOOD.

I'm interested in seeing where this show goes philosophically.

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But you wouldn't say that Mutants in X-Men are bad for the world at large.

Only EVIL mutants.



Same thing applies to benders.

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Yeah but how can you tell who is an evil mutant/bender? Every mutant/bender has the potential to be evil, even if they are "good" right now. That's enough to fuel an anti-bending campaign, especially with the gangsters and such. It's a case of a few bad apples ruining the bunch.

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Scott Summers can lose his glasses And kill lots of people. Any mutant can have a really bad day and turn evil. Yes, normal humans can turn evil and cause damage, but it's not as easy for them to be destructive.

It's the same reason cocaine is banned but cigarettes are legal kind of an issue. They both can kill but one has the potential to kill you alot easier.

Good mutants and benders sole purpose is protecting you from bad mutants and benders. See the redundancy here. We have enough bad people that we don't need super versions of it.

Now, if EVERYONE was a mutant or bender then things would be different. Funny enough, that's how each world would end up through Darwinism. Woman would gravitate towards superiority and eventually a war would break out with the superiority winning.

But since that's a bit to macabre for children's tv, a simpler solution is making no one have powers. This is why Amon's strategy isn't really that bad.

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Not to get into a philosophical discussion about the ethics of superpowers in a cartoon, but bending has been shown to have legitimate uses outside of battle: healing, sports, welding, architecture, and the entire lifestyle of the Water Tribes would be impossible without it.

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Also Republic City's electricity comes from lightning bending

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Bending is really central to the Avatar universe. In a technological sense as people have mentioned, but also in the spiritual and religious sense. The fact that there even exists a group such as the Equalists is an indication of how much the mindset of the world has changed since the war was over and there was "world peace". It's kind of a commentary on how there can never be peace because there will always be something to fight over.

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OhGod I don't wanna use the R word and ruin this topic so I'll just go back with the drugs. Getting drunk provides me with momentary bliss but the downside is that eventually that bliss fades and I'm left with a bad liver and a hangover.

Yes, bending does provide other things but do those things offset all the problems they cause. Would we need water bensers if the fire lord wasn't burning everything. Also, it stunts human ingenuity when you have a magic genie answering your prayers.

They invented cars without bending. They invented lightning hand gear Without bending. Non benders seem to heal themselves without it. So again I ask, what are the upsides of bending compared to it's downsides.

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The drunk thing is a godawful analogy. Bending isn't some "temporary" thing you choose to have the ability to do. It's just an ability people have. Using bending for positive purposes doesn't intrinsically have a negative side effect like drinking does either. They have to choose to use it for evil.

Is the fire lord burning everything because he's a bender, or because he's a madman? Amon seems to be pretty capable of terrorism without bending. Get rid of bending and people will still commit evil.

Also, "magic genie"? Do you mean the Avatar or just the ability to bend? Either way I don't see how that can even apply.

maybe you should just use the religion analogy you first wanted to. Or maybe not since you've given two terrible one already

TheConductorSix posted...

OhGod I don't wanna use the R word and ruin this topic so I'll just go back with the drugs. Getting drunk provides me with momentary bliss but the downside is that eventually that bliss fades and I'm left with a bad liver and a hangover.

Yes, bending does provide other things but do those things offset all the problems they cause. Would we need water bensers if the fire lord wasn't burning everything. Also, it stunts human ingenuity when you have a magic genie answering your prayers.

Yes, you would need water benders still. The Northern water city requires benders for its architecture to function, and then there's the healing, and there's also the electrical griid powered by lightningbenders. Ingenuity isn't stunted, and in fact, it's widened by allowing a whole extra thing to take advantage of in technology - whether it's lightningbenders powering a city or whatever.

They invented cars without bending. They invented lightning hand gear Without bending. Non benders seem to heal themselves without it. So again I ask, what are the upsides of bending compared to it's downsides.

While things can function without bending, bending does not in any way harm non-bending technology just by existing. This is like saying we should ban gasoline cars because their existence slows down electric car technology. Also, non-benders would still be perfectly capable of murdering each other without bending - they'd just use swords or someththing.

And this is to say nothing of the things bending allows to happen that non-bending just can't replicate, like metalbending.

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Eh, you don't need benders--remember that there was a time before the Avatar when people did not bend the elements.

And they were likely cave men, given how they originally learned bending from wild animals (... or the moon).

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From: TheConductorSix | #281
Bending really is negative on the world at large.
Seems like that was the beginning of the conversation.


And I still don't understand the attitude that bending is negative to the world somehow.

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I think it could be viewed as "negative" only in that it is "different" to our own world and as such creates a new set of rules. Sure, some innovation we have might not make it there for a while because of there being bending, but at the same time, there are some things they have that we will not be able to innovate for awhile because we lack bending. It isn't better or worse, just different.

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So maybe in OUR world some people randomly getting the ability to bend elements would create problems.

But in their world it was the established norm and had been for thousands of years (judging by how many different Avatar statues their were in the Air Temple).

I do have a question about the genetics behind bending though. Will a bender always have a bender child? Because neither of korra's parents SEEM like benders. And Katara/Sokka's parents definitely were not benders but they had one child of each.

But then what about the old air nomads? It would be pretty difficult or impossible to reach some of those locations without air bending.

I definitely have questions about how all of that works, but it doesn't change the fact that the existence of benders has simply been the way of things for thousands of years. It is possible however that once the various benders ran out of reasons to fight each other (fire nation conquered by aang/etc) they decided to lord their superiority over everyone else which created the strife we now see, but then it begs the question of how benders and non benders interacted BEFORE the fire nation tried to take over the world.

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Obviously, if a bender and a non-bender marry, they don't always have bender children. I don't know about two bender parents - though I do know that the Air Nomads were all benders, with no exceptions... or so the Avatar Wiki claims.

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Aang and Katara's kid Bumi is a non bender

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