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Take Roode last week for example.

Sure he could have easily thumbed his nose at Hogan and went straight for a steel chair to retain via DQ, but he hung tough and made Anderson tap clean. And now Anderson's presumably out of his hair.

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Well, with Aries already being given a shot (assuming he takes the deal), presumably Anderson wouldn't have gotten another shot anyway, but yeah. It's a decent enough example.

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Man I wonder what Hogan would have done in the case of Roode retaining via DQ.

Remember, the LOSER OF THE MATCH was supposed to enter the BFG Series, and BFG Series participants can't have title matches until the series is over.

Had Roode thought this out a little more he could have potentially loopholed his way into auto-retaining until October!

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Had Roode thought this out a little more he could have potentially loopholed his way into auto-retaining until October!

And if he wins the series, he gets BFG off!

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Man I wonder what Hogan would have done in the case of Roode retaining via DQ.

Remember, the LOSER OF THE MATCH was supposed to enter the BFG Series, and BFG Series participants can't have title matches until the series is over.

Had Roode thought this out a little more he could have potentially loopholed his way into auto-retaining until October!

If Russo were still in TNA this might have happened.

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Out of spite, Hogan forces Roode to wrestle himself in the main event of BFG?

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Then Roode subverts THAT by having the match go to a "double countout" thus preserving his own #1 Contendership.

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Man, I'm like Edward Norton in Red Dragon with Russo as Hannibal Lector.

I understand him because I am stricken with the same urges, the only difference being that I have the moral center to know why my thoughts are wrong!

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From: SmartMuffin | #449
Well, you gotta keep in mind, heels are ALSO overwhelmingly arrogant. I figure they usually actually think they can win through legit means, and then resort to DQ when it becomes they're about to lose, they resort to DQ tactics. But most of them also have some modicum of pride about being a better wrestler. "Title at all costs" is generally kept to a few specific people, not all heels in general.
That's fair, but I think there's way too many who'd instantly take a DQ.

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Forget that, I now wish Roode had backed into the BFG series. It would have been hilarious!

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Well, I think like Jak said, most of them are also smart enough to realize that if they do that, they will almost CERTAINLY have to face the same guy again in a no-DQ situation.

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I'd like to think the whole "they feel like they can win and only get DQ'd when it seems like they can't" thing is true if only for the fact that it makes it look a bit less implausible that heels are in the WWE in the first place, because why would they ever get into this business if they didn't at least have SOME desire to compete and think they might be able to succeed at it?

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I doubt certain heels think that far ahead tbh >_>

But sure, whatever. This is where kayfabe and real life gets too...blurry and I start to lose interest.

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Well, most people start as nondescript babyfaces and slowly get corrupted!

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Do they? It feels like in the WWE, debuts are heel as often as not, and they're usually treated like their current character is what they've always been in anything they've done in the past. Why does Alberto Del Rio come to the WWE if he doesn't want to compete, when in kayfabe he's by far rich enough to never have to put effort into anything?

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From: Panthera | #466
Do they? It feels like in the WWE, debuts are heel as often as not, and they're usually treated like their current character is what they've always been in anything they've done in the past. Why does Alberto Del Rio come to the WWE if he doesn't want to compete, when in kayfabe he's by far rich enough to never have to put effort into anything?
Well ADR genuinely does think he's one of the best, but he's not against using Ricardo to help.

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From: Panthera | #466
Do they? It feels like in the WWE, debuts are heel as often as not, and they're usually treated like their current character is what they've always been in anything they've done in the past. Why does Alberto Del Rio come to the WWE if he doesn't want to compete, when in kayfabe he's by far rich enough to never have to put effort into anything?
Yeah most of the heel BELIEVE they are the best period. They essentially believe that given a chance they will be reign of terror Jeff Jarrett or Triple H. They all TRY to compete legitimately, but cheat to win if they have to. Cheating from the outset however is something only someone who wouldve never had the skill to get into contention in the first place would be willing to do. After all most WWE heels are presented at great practicioners with a high level of skill for a normal person, while the main event WWE faces are presented as supermen, so good that even the highly talented have trouble.

Orton is actually a great example of this, when feuding with Cena he was essentially just "the best who isnt Cena" for sure, and it wasnt until he was turned face that his psychosis became a superpower.

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I meant more or less when they enter the business, not WWE. <_<

Most people start out as neutral jobbers!

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I feel like "ultimate opportunist edge" is a good example of someone who didn't really necessarily care about competing and being the best legitimately. He seemed to get off on outsmarting his opponents to take their titles away from them through nefarious means. Like, I feel like to him, a sneaky underhanded win was MORE satisfying than legitimately beating down his opponent.

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From: SmartMuffin | #471
I feel like "ultimate opportunist edge" is a good example of someone who didn't really necessarily care about competing and being the best legitimately. He seemed to get off on outsmarting his opponents to take their titles away from them through nefarious means. Like, I feel like to him, a sneaky underhanded win was MORE satisfying than legitimately beating down his opponent.
I would agree, but I would also say hes the exception that proves the rule, kind of like Eddie Guerrero being a face while cheating to win, proves faces who arent him shouldnt ever do it.

The arrogant heel and Edge are different characters.

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You know, this has been bothering me for a while. Has anyone seen that Expedia commercial where at the end the woman exclaims "YES!" three times?

It's relatively new, and since about the third time I saw it, I've been like "Is that...? Nah." But the thing is I haven't actually been watching the commercial so much as I have been listening to it while looking elsewhere. I just saw it for the first time, and I swear she raises her arms and does the "number one" gesture when she says "YES!" the second time (she's not on screen when she says it the third time).

So the sane man in me says there's no way anyone at Expedia actually wrote a throwaway reference to professional wrestling into their commercial, but the rest of me wants to believe it can't be a coincidence. I mean she says it three times and does the gesture.

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From: Jakyl25 | #470

I meant more or less when they enter the business, not WWE. <_<

Most people start out as neutral jobbers!

But that's what I mean about how they debut. In kayfabe (which is where the mindset we're discussing exists), Del Rio didn't start out as a neutral jobber, he did random stuff and then showed up in the WWE one day presumably because he was bored of being rich and wanted to wink at people. Wade Barrett has nothing in between fighting dudes across Europe and appearing in the WWE, he's been the same heel only out for money from the moment he got into the business. Punk and Bryan are some of the few exceptions to have it acknowledged that they have some pre-WWE wrestling history, but even then, their personalities from those days aren't really explicitly spoken of, just occasionally acknowledged as an inside reference.

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Yeah, the days of people slowly climbing their way up from jobber status seem to be largely behind us. Most debuts these days come in out of nowhere with huge backstories already intact (Sin Cara). Whos the last jobber turned regular we've even had? Zack Ryder?

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From: Haguile | Posted: 6/17/2012 10:56:58 PM | #320
Mick Foley is going to be the next GM, I'm sure. Not sure why but I'm sure.
Yesssss

Only the GM for this week!

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From: MartinFF7 | Posted: 6/18/2012 9:08:36 PM | #478
Only the GM for this week!
Never said it was forever!
...That's going to be Nash!

From: SmartMuffin | #476
Yeah, the days of people slowly climbing their way up from jobber status seem to be largely behind us. Most debuts these days come in out of nowhere with huge backstories already intact (Sin Cara). Whos the last jobber turned regular we've even had? Zack Ryder?
Yeah Ryder would be the most recent, but the other homegrowns, like Dolph Ziggler did much the same.

Nexus/NXT kind of throws a wrench in things for the most recent batch of homegrowns like Slater, but same difference really.

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From: Jakyl25 | #456
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jakyl is so smrt

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... i wonder if SmartMuffin is watching right now...

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AJ Lee.

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The most amazing thing about this is one of my friends called AJ doing this word for word during the ppv.

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This was the best thing

Someone on Twitter mentioned the whole AJ/Kane mask thing too several days ago!

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HHH burying ECW once again >_>

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ADR cleared already? He could have wrestled last night!

That was such an awesome promo by Heyman. Guy's a f****** wizard on the microphone.

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From: entropyx | #489
ADR cleared already? He could have wrestled last night!
He'll probably squash Santino in a minute, he'd have to have had a full, sustained match against Sheamus that was probably unclearable...

I also hope that it's somehow a fakeout and Huncio/Camacho are now in ADR's employ and its for the U.S. title and Hunico wins cleanly and... it's a good day.

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pretty meh RAW really lol

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So clearly whoever is gonna take over permanently is gonna take over on Raw 1000.

So that means 4 more "past authority figures" until then.

Regal, Adamle, AnonGM (PLEASE) and who else?

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Nice that Cole is back to taking otherwise good segments and single handedly crapping on them

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From: Jakyl25 | #496

So clearly whoever is gonna take over permanently is gonna take over on Raw 1000.

So that means 4 more "past authority figures" until then.

Regal, Adamle, AnonGM (PLEASE) and who else?

I'd say Regal, Austin, Teddy and AnonGM.

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