Board 8 > transience's video game topic 49: look over the horizon, a lot of games are nier

(+) Yeah! (+)

there are a riduculous amount of games coming out soon. many of them are huge. let's get down to business

Next Week!

Night in the Woods: your favourite antifa adventure game is finally coming out! Would a cat punch a nazi? I think so.
Hollow Knight: so there's this indie Metroidvania game with lush art, and... wait, wait, come back! I know this isn't exactly an exciting concept, because there's about a dozen of these a year, but the polish behind this one is impressive. The character movement, 2D art, and mechanics remind me a lot of Ori. That's good company to be in.

This month!

Horizon: Zero Dawn: the next big Sony exclusive is almost here. Guerrilla Games always produce incredible visuals, but their games tend to be shallow. Hopefully there's enough interesting content in this open world to explore, otherwise it might be overshadowed by a similar game out shortly after...
Torment: Tides of Numenera: the spiritual successor to the greatest cRPG ever. Unfortunately it's made by modern inXile, so the jury is still out on this one.
River City Ransom: Underground: hi theo

Next month!

The Nintendo Switch + Zelda: Breath of the Wild: it's the Zelda game people have been asking for since the fandom grew tired of the OoT formula. It takes as much from modern game design as it does from Zelda 1. Nintendo are so confident in it that they feel comfortable launching a system months in advance to hit their annual financial targets won't come back to haunt them. This is the biggest, most-hyped Zelda game in a decade. Let's hope it's good. Oh right, and there are like a million games in 1-2 Switch that make it look like you're masturbating.
NieR: Automata: it's hard to process this, even still. The original Nier was a special game with a story that leveraged the medium it was told in to tell a uniquely engaging tale. It was progressive and risky and soulful. That's not something you typically see out of Square these days. It also bombed, so it's surprising - to say the least - that not only are we getting a follow-up with all the critical components from the first game working together again, but also that the main criticism of the first game, its gameplay, has been addressed by bringing Platinum Games on board. How does this happen? So bizarre.
Mass Effect: Andromeda: both Sony and Nintendo are releasing much-hyped open-world RPGs in the weeks before this, so it kinda feels like EA are releasing this in a climate that, if it's not hostile, might be apathetic. Which might be for the best after the hype cycle between Mass Effect 2 and 3. Come in with low expectations and blow everybody away, if Bioware are still capable of that.

The Future!

hi you have like 6 weeks to finish all this before Persona 5, good luck.
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Games from the next two months I would like to play:

Horizon
Zelda
Nier
Mass Effect
Kingdom Hearts 1.5/2.5 collection thing
Persona
Yooka-Laylee

obviously this is not all happening
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The Mana Sword posted...

Games from the next two months I would like to play:

Horizon
Zelda
Nier

all three of these come out in the span of a week. it's crazy.
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Yeah, I suspect Zelda, Mass Effect and Persona are the three that will make it out of that alive and in my collection.

Feel bad about most likely skipping Nier, but that should be a cheap pickup a few months down the line.
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For Honor and Ghost Recon: Wildlands are two games I'll be getting for sure not on your list. I'm way more excited for Horizon, though.

I beat Nioh yesterday. It's probably the best Souls game imo.

There's also Hacknet DLC in March and that Kingdom Hearts collection. I fell in love with Nier when I played it last month and am hoping somehow the Black Box Edition of the new one comes back in stock.
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Zelda and ME and Persona can't come soon enough.

Can't wait to get do deep in that ME multiplayer.
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right! there's dlc in march. Hacknet and Dark Souls 3. ahhhh.

Shaduln posted...

Can't wait to get do deep in that ME multiplayer.

yeah what's going on here

a mass effect mp beta should be an easy buzz creator
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iiicon posted...

FF14 PS3 is approaching end of life, and will be dropped by the time the next expansion is out.

Lame. After the way they kept console XI going what felt like forever I was hoping they'd do the same with its successor.
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That one video made Horizon looks so bad
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I remember reading there would be one. I mean, they have over a month still.
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Nioh. Nioh, you guys. Have you played Nioh? You're stupid if you haven't. Play Nioh. It's GOTY material.

GANON1025 posted...

That one video made Horizon looks so bad

??
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GANON1025 posted...

That one video made Horizon looks so bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUpPYvELLB8

this one?
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if people are up in arms about the animation in a sidequest cutscene, then i think i'll be fine. mafia iii had some of the jankiest sidequest cutscenes and i enjoyed that game a lot.
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but anyway: nioh. why the f*** is this board not crazy for nioh?
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most hyped Zelda in a decade isn't that big of a claim since there's only been like one console Zelda since 2006

it's like saying the same about FF15
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transcience posted...

most hyped Zelda in a decade isn't that big of a claim since there's only been like one console Zelda since 2006

yeah. that's the point. that it's the biggest zelda in 10 years.
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nioh
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biggest zelda in 3.5 years imo

ALBW was pretty hype
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can't wait for the biggest shadow hearts in 15 years!
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and re: nioh - ???

my guess is that it's not a sequel and was sandwiched in between a bunch of games people here care more about. the two reasons I haven't bought it are that I don't have the time and I'm still not sure if the things I'll love about it will outweigh the things I'll hate about it.
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you guys i got killed by an evil umbrella while i was trying to murder a gold-stealing kappa not long after hanzo hattori surprised me by using a cat as a pocket watch

please play nioh
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iiicon posted...

and re: nioh - ???

my guess is that it's not a sequel and was sandwiched in between a bunch of games people here care more about. the two reasons I haven't bought it are that I don't have the time and I'm still not sure if the things I'll love about it will outweigh the things I'll hate about it.

what would you hate about it? i'm legit struggling to find a major flaw with it
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transcience posted...

can't wait for the biggest shadow hearts in 15 years!

i am going to buy you the oxford dictionary of literary terms and rip out every page but the one with allusion.
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wow, Nier out so soon huh.

Square doin' it again.
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Games from the next two months I would like to play:

Horizon
Zelda
Mass Effect
Persona

Games from the next two months I will have time to play:
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iiicon posted...

transcience posted...

can't wait for the biggest shadow hearts in 15 years!

i am going to buy you the oxford dictionary of literary terms and rip out every page but the one with allusion.

sorry friend, I'm going all in here!
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iiicon posted...

GANON1025 posted...

That one video made Horizon looks so bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUpPYvELLB8

this one?

Yes
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also when i said i want for honor, what i meant was my brother bought for honor so i get it for free so i guess i will see how for honor is
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bore honor
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by the way, for all that mafia 3 goes from being incredibly interesting with its tight documentary intro to a formulaic open world game ... when you get around to the ending, it gets pretty damn awesome

the post-credits stinger is also incredible, one of the best cutscenes i've ever seen in a game. i was laughing, pumped, excited, and shaking my head the whole time
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For Honor looks cool, but between Nioh and Yakuza 0 (and FE H and FFBE and DBZDB of course never forget those) I think I have enough
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NieR: Automata: ...It also bombed,

Quick thing: Nier sold overall poorly in the states, but it had decent legs thanks to word-of-mouth and it actually sold pretty well in Japan. The game was made on a shoestring budget (all of Yoko Taro's games before Automata were) so it didn't need much to succeed.


Way too much stuff coming out that I want. For Honor just came out and it's fun too, damnit.
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I am currently trying to beat Long War 2 before Persona 5... We will see if it happens
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working on nothing but DLCs until Switch and Zelda

2nd RE7 DLC came out today

I finished the Chocobo festival in FFXV the other night

currently working on Nuka World in Fallout 4

still gotta do Dark Souls 3 DLC and NUNS4 Boruto DLC
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Trying to beat The Witcher 3 before P5. It's looking unlikely to happen so far with how huge The Witcher 3 is

i think loot, as opposed to authored drops, is antithetical to encounter design in these type of games. it gives up a degree of control over balance and builds. what i want most out of these games is the belief that they're fair. i want to know that going into an area or a boss that i have been given all the tools to succeed, and it's up to me to put them to use. i don't want to be subject to bad rolls. i don't want to re-enter areas and grind for a katana or glove with just the right stats or skills. i understand that nioh mitigates this to a certain degree with the limited number of weapons (with stances representing big changes in how weapons feel) and how loot feeds into the upgrade system, but then i'm just left wondering why these systems are even in there. authored drops also give other advantages like telegraphing certain challenges or providing environmental storytelling, but if nioh doesn't want to engage with that i'm okay.

i also think bosses have way too much health. the from games suffered from this in the ds2 dlc and parts of ds3 as well, although it was mostly with big, bulky enemies. there's a line between a sense of accomplishment and exhaustion, and from what i played and have watched, nioh crosses it. i think this is a frustrating way to increase difficulty.

keep in mind that a lot of what i see about this game is really exciting, and reminds me a lot of what i love about ngb and demon's souls, and i almost bought it over the weekend, only to be stopped by stupid things like 'store not having stock'

transcience posted...

sorry friend, I'm going all in here!

okay, so when I am talking about "the biggest, most-hyped Zelda game in a decade," the comparison I want to make is to Twilight Princess. I want that game in your mind. why? because that game was huge. it was a game built on hype. it was long in development and straddled two generations. when it released it crushed the internet. i am not sidestepping the comparison. the entire point of alluding to it and contextualizing BotW's release within a similar framework is to say, "hey, remember that? this is like that." you can't see the forest for the trees, which is another rhetorical phrase.

KamikazePotato posted...

Quick thing: Nier sold overall poorly in the states, but it had decent legs thanks to word-of-mouth and it actually sold pretty well in Japan.

the game was outsold by Lord of Arcana and The 3rd Birthday. i think you are being very generous.
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iiicon posted...

i think loot, as opposed to authored drops, is antithetical to encounter design in these type of games. it gives up a degree of control over balance and builds. what i want most out of these games is the belief that they're fair. i want to know that going into an area or a boss that i have been given all the tools to succeed, and it's up to me to put them to use. i don't want to be subject to bad rolls. i don't want to re-enter areas and grind for a katana or glove with just the right stats or skills. i understand that nioh mitigates this to a certain degree with the limited number of weapons (with stances representing big changes in how weapons feel) and how loot feeds into the upgrade system, but then i'm just left wondering why these systems are even in there. authored drops also give other advantages like telegraphing certain challenges or providing environmental storytelling, but if nioh doesn't want to engage with that i'm okay.

i also think bosses have way too much health. the from games suffered from this in the ds2 dlc and parts of ds3 as well, although it was mostly with big, bulky enemies. there's a line between a sense of accomplishment and exhaustion, and from what i played and have watched, nioh crosses it. i think this is a frustrating way to increase difficulty.

keep in mind that a lot of what i see about this game is really exciting, and reminds me a lot of what i love about ngb and demon's souls, and i almost bought it over the weekend, only to be stopped by stupid things like 'store not having stock'

i'ma respond to this but because i'm known for being particularly argumentative i wanna make it clear right now that i'm not and am super interested in this conversation, so yeah no negativity in my tone here

yeah but the loot doesn't actually matter that much. it makes you feel good because you got a new, better thing, but you'll never, ever feel like you got a "bad drop." Loot is a thing you worry about in the menu between missions. It doesn't have a major impact on your fight with the boss. Bad rolls are absolutely not a thing at all. Grinding for a better drop is not a thing at all. And the blacksmith can create basically anything you want at any time for limited resources.

I accidentally lost my helmet and was bummed about it because it had plus life and plus luck and looked neat. But instead I just went to my inventory, found the best helmet I got from my last run, went to the blacksmith and refashioned it to look like my other one and rerolled twice (i had resources at this point to reroll like a thousand times) to get the two stats i wanted, stats that i never noticed making a real difference anyway.

like i can see where the loot looks like it might make a big difference. obviously you want the good thing. but there definitely is nothing like what you're describing. it looks a lot like diablo and destiny on its face from that front but it's absolutely not that at all.

Bosses have a lot of health but a lot of that is based on the fact that you should be using items, magic or ninjitsu to mitigate them with type advantages -- like fire for x element, etc. But it is a complaint I have as well. Bosses have way too much health.
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swordz9 posted...

Trying to beat The Witcher 3 before P5. It's looking unlikely to happen so far with how huge The Witcher 3 is

Persona 5 is actually a good deal longer, apparently. >_>

Unless you're going for 100% in which case TW3 edges it out by about 10 hours.
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digiiiiiiiii posted...

like i can see where the loot looks like it might make a big difference. obviously you want the good thing. but there definitely is nothing like what you're describing. it looks a lot like diablo and destiny on its face from that front but it's absolutely not that at all.

then why have it at all! systems for systems sake.

i ask you, the developer of nioh
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because it IS fun to engage with and mess with. but the blacksmith stuff is there to make it so you can make any thing the exact thing you want. it's like ... it's got depth, but there's none of that oh god i got a bad roll whyyyyyyyyy stuff
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yeah i get it's a drive for some people, and believe me, i have spent more than my fair share playing diablo-ass games, but i see a loot explosion after killing a boss in nioh and groan a bit. it's a turn-off.
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there is one sidequest that's more of an easter egg that gives you a unique helmet that requires grinding

the grinding, in this case, is collecting poop for a crazy man who needs all the poop

so i was OK with it
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also i heard co-op kinda sucks? what's up there

digiiiiiiiii posted...

the grinding, in this case, is collecting poop for a crazy man who needs all the poop

oh so it's like the feather quest in witcher 2
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iiicon posted...

also i heard co-op kinda sucks? what's up there

so i think right now you can only launch a mission from the hub in co-op if you've beaten the mission. you can still summon people at shrines regardless but i think that's what people are talking about. AKA you cannot play the game in full from start to finish in co-op like some people thought

but they might change that? i dunno it's weird. i summoned a few people for boss fights because i always feel like that's fun and that worked well

iiicon posted...

oh so it's like the feather quest in witcher 2

i never did that but this man was very happy to have 20 poops and gave me a helmet
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Nioh is like Dark Souls + Destiny , two great games combined
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rjI1zjaSUE
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GANON1025 posted...

Nioh is like Dark Souls + Destiny , two great games combined

i'm trying to sell people on Nioh here stop ruining it
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Xiahou Shake posted...

swordz9 posted...

Trying to beat The Witcher 3 before P5. It's looking unlikely to happen so far with how huge The Witcher 3 is

Persona 5 is actually a good deal longer, apparently. >_>

Unless you're going for 100% in which case TW3 edges it out by about 10 hours.

Oh wow really? I think I'm still pretty early in The Witcher 3 because the world is so gigantic and there are zillions of quests. I've been playing it for like a month now I think and I'm only in Novigrad having just finished the Get Junior quest.

swordz9 posted...

I've been playing it for like a month now I think and I'm only in Novigrad having just finished the Get Junior quest.

you're like a third of the way into the game.
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Nier will probably be my main March game while I wait for Persona

cancelled Breath of the Wild preorder since I won't have time to play it
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