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scarletspeed7
03/08/17 5:43:59 PM
#151:


You weren't busy at 11:30 central time.
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MoogleKupo141
03/08/17 5:47:22 PM
#152:


UItimaterializer posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
After being asked over 15 times from 4+ users, Ulti has still never once responded to the question of "what is a Trans bathroom", so I still don't know what the f*** he's talking about. Nobody is talking about "Trans bathrooms" but him.

It's almost like I was busy all day today instead of sitting around addicted to a computer screen. Imagine that!


he's referring to a pattern over multiple occasions, not just today
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PerfectChaosZ
03/08/17 5:50:22 PM
#153:


God ulti is so deliberately obtuse it makes me want to watch something beautiful be destroyed.
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Wanglicious
03/08/17 5:54:29 PM
#154:


for some update on vault 7:
Samsung already looking into their hardware looking for exploits that the CIA didn't tell them.
anti-virus companies got to ID certain viruses directly with the CIA, even.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-wikileaks-products-idUSKBN16F22M

on that specifically:
U.S. cyber security expert Robert Graham said WikiLeaks provided enough detail to recognize some known vulnerabilities.

"One anti-virus researcher has told me that a virus they once suspected came from the Russians or Chinese can now be attributed to the CIA, as it matches the description perfectly to something in the leak," Graham said in a blog post.

Some security experts said the CIA's possible use of tools from other spy agencies raised the risk of false attribution for targeted cyber attacks by the U.S. intelligence agency.

He said CIA cyber spying efforts could be set back years.



reuters article gets into others, like apple saying they've patched most of those exploits as of January 23rd. ...key word, most. and that's this year. google and microsoft aware.

so wikileaks continues to maintain full credibility on their information being accurate. the spin that's seen with it is the fact that it's possible for the CIA to mask their attacks and that it appears that among the things they they stole, russian malware is included. so if that got stolen and the CIA has lost control of it, you've got two situations that can add up to "it wasn't the russians who hacked anyone, just someone using the CIA's tools that were stolen by the russians." that part's spin and seems to be a legit answer.

but for now, the contents inside? yeah, 100% true, as usual.
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Mershaaay
03/08/17 6:01:02 PM
#155:


I think you know what he meant by "trans bathrooms." Don't be obtuse.
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scarletspeed7
03/08/17 6:01:36 PM
#156:


I've never seen a bathroom transition. Does he mean unisex bathrooms?
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MoogleKupo141
03/08/17 6:02:23 PM
#157:


Mershaaay posted...
I think you know what he meant by "trans bathrooms." Don't be obtuse.


he consistently talks about it like they want a third bathroom specifically for trans people
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Mershaaay
03/08/17 6:03:47 PM
#158:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
Mershaaay posted...
I think you know what he meant by "trans bathrooms." Don't be obtuse.


he consistently talks about it like they want a third bathroom specifically for trans people

No he doesn't. He's using the term in place of "the issue of transgendered people using the bathroom of their newly identified gender" because it's an unnecessary mouthful.
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Kenri
03/08/17 6:04:23 PM
#159:


Mershaaay posted...
I think you know what he meant by "trans bathrooms." Don't be obtuse.

Admittedly I don't read the guy's posts but just based off the phrase, I'm not sure what it means. I'm sure it's some stupid reactionary talking point but I'm not at all sure which one.
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MoogleKupo141
03/08/17 6:06:57 PM
#160:


Mershaaay posted...
MoogleKupo141 posted...
Mershaaay posted...
I think you know what he meant by "trans bathrooms." Don't be obtuse.


he consistently talks about it like they want a third bathroom specifically for trans people

No he doesn't. He's using the term in place of "the issue of transgendered people using the bathroom of their newly identified gender" because it's an unnecessary mouthful.


no seriously, he has definitely referenced it being unreasonable to do construction on schools just for trans people or whatever as if he thinks they need a new, third place
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Mershaaay
03/08/17 6:07:17 PM
#161:


When someone says "trans bathrooms" it's obviously about the current events involving trans people and bathrooms. Not a third f***ing bathroom. Those are called unisex bathrooms. It's not like cis people would be barred from using them. >_>
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Mershaaay
03/08/17 6:08:10 PM
#162:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
Mershaaay posted...
MoogleKupo141 posted...
Mershaaay posted...
I think you know what he meant by "trans bathrooms." Don't be obtuse.


he consistently talks about it like they want a third bathroom specifically for trans people

No he doesn't. He's using the term in place of "the issue of transgendered people using the bathroom of their newly identified gender" because it's an unnecessary mouthful.


no seriously, he has definitely referenced it being unreasonable to do construction on schools just for trans people or whatever as if he thinks they need a new, third place

Wouldn't that be a unisex bathroom?
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LapisLazuli
03/08/17 6:08:21 PM
#163:



No he doesn't. He's using the term in place of "the issue of transgendered people using the bathroom of their newly identified gender" because it's an unnecessary mouthful.


He has on multiple occasions brought up "the wasted expenses building thousands of Trans bathrooms".
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Inviso
03/08/17 6:08:35 PM
#164:


Mershaaay posted...
When someone says "trans bathrooms" it's obviously about the current events involving trans people and bathrooms. Not a third f***ing bathroom. Those are called unisex bathrooms. It's not like cis people would be barred from using them. >_>


To be fair, Ulti badmouths the bathroom issue as though liberals were the one who brought it up, rather than conservative SJW lawmakers. So who can say what the hell he thinks he's talking about.
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Kenri
03/08/17 6:09:26 PM
#165:


Mershaaay posted...
When someone says "trans bathrooms" it's obviously about the current events involving trans people and bathrooms. Not a third f***ing bathroom. Those are called unisex bathrooms. It's not like cis people would be barred from using them. >_>

The construction doesn't at all make this obvious but I'll take your word for it. Saying "bathroom bills" seems like a much less confusing and more common way of talking about the current legal issues.
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LapisLazuli
03/08/17 6:10:05 PM
#166:


Mershaaay posted...
When someone says "trans bathrooms" it's obviously about the current events involving trans people and bathrooms. Not a third f***ing bathroom. Those are called unisex bathrooms. It's not like cis people would be barred from using them. >_>


You are talking about other people, we are talking about Ulti. Ulti beleives they want to construct new bathrooms for trans people.
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Jakyl25
03/08/17 6:10:21 PM
#167:


I can back this up. Ulti very very specifically has talked about building new bathrooms for trans people.
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MoogleKupo141
03/08/17 6:11:50 PM
#168:


Mershaaay posted...
MoogleKupo141 posted...
Mershaaay posted...
MoogleKupo141 posted...
Mershaaay posted...
I think you know what he meant by "trans bathrooms." Don't be obtuse.


he consistently talks about it like they want a third bathroom specifically for trans people

No he doesn't. He's using the term in place of "the issue of transgendered people using the bathroom of their newly identified gender" because it's an unnecessary mouthful.


no seriously, he has definitely referenced it being unreasonable to do construction on schools just for trans people or whatever as if he thinks they need a new, third place

Wouldn't that be a unisex bathroom?


I guess it would have to be if it's for both kinds of trans people.
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Mershaaay
03/08/17 6:14:10 PM
#169:


Are we sure he isn't suggesting that the only way to appease everyone would be to construct unisex bathrooms? That conclusion actually is spot on.

"Trans bathrooms" would be misleading since, as I mentioned, cisgendered people wouldn't be forbidden.

Note: please congratulate me for using "cis" instead of "normal" out of respect for Inviso. It was very big of me.
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TheRock1525
03/08/17 6:14:37 PM
#170:


You mean very bigly.
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MoogleKupo141
03/08/17 6:15:39 PM
#171:


Mershaaay posted...
Are we sure he isn't suggesting that the only way to appease everyone would be to construct unisex bathrooms?


I'm not sure about anything anymore.
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Kenri
03/08/17 6:15:47 PM
#172:


Mershaaay posted...
Note: please congratulate me for using "cis" instead of "normal" out of respect for Inviso. It was very big of me.

lmfao as if cis people are normal
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Jakyl25
03/08/17 6:17:30 PM
#173:


You are very determined to give Ulti the benefit of the doubt that he has never shown any interest in earning.

Very reminiscent of people who came to accept Trump in the end try very hard to explain "what he really means" because he "can't be that stupid,"
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MalcolmMasher
03/08/17 7:03:30 PM
#174:


I am pleasantly surprised that Jon Huntsman may once more achieve relevance, although appointing someone who doesn't speak Russian as the Russian ambassador is a bit odd. Possibly Trump's team had to veto a few more Russia-savvy picks because they're worried appointing someone with (say) Russian business connections would give Trump's critics an easy opening?
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psaltery
03/08/17 7:12:17 PM
#175:


MalcolmMasher posted...
I am pleasantly surprised that Jon Huntsman may once more achieve relevance, although appointing someone who doesn't speak Russian as the Russian ambassador is a bit odd. Possibly Trump's team had to veto a few more Russia-savvy picks because they're worried appointing someone with (say) Russian business connections would give Trump's critics an easy opening?


It might be ok if Huntsman takes the time to learn Russian and I'm expecting he will at least study the basics. It's a bit insulting but whatever. Hopefully he does a good job.
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scarletspeed7
03/08/17 7:32:29 PM
#178:


UltimaterializerX posted...

You guys are better with law than me. Does this mean it just goes back to a lower court and their decision is what sticks?

Yeah, this is a pretty common practice.
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scarletspeed7
03/08/17 8:15:36 PM
#180:


They wouldn't need to be if there was a decent weapons ban.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
03/08/17 8:26:53 PM
#182:


UltimaterializerX posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcDrE5YvqTs

These arguments are bulletproof.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLNdMY1JlR0
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Jakyl25
03/08/17 8:34:57 PM
#184:


https://twitter.com/acosta/status/839665918754099200

I swear Republicans are like a dog who finally caught the car and now has no idea what to do.
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LapisLazuli
03/08/17 8:53:43 PM
#185:


Cut him a break, he's bored! Can't be a president if it's no fun.
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dowolf
03/08/17 9:00:31 PM
#186:


UltimaterializerX posted...
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/08/day-without-woman-supporters-got-246m-from-soros.html


...

The article itself says...
Of the march's 544 partners, 100 groups received funding from Soros that totaled $246 million, according to the conservative Media Research Center. Such groups included Planned Parenthood,


oh no george soros gave money to planned parenthood.

whatever shall we do.
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lordloki12
03/08/17 9:03:01 PM
#187:


dowolf posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/08/day-without-woman-supporters-got-246m-from-soros.html


...

The article itself says...
Of the march's 544 partners, 100 groups received funding from Soros that totaled $246 million, according to the conservative Media Research Center. Such groups included Planned Parenthood,


oh no george soros gave money to planned parenthood.

whatever shall we do.


Wait does he think Soros is out their cutting checks to individual protesters?
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dowolf
03/08/17 9:04:08 PM
#188:


lordloki12 posted...

Wait does he think Soros is out their cutting checks to individual protesters?

Apparently!
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LapisLazuli
03/08/17 9:07:29 PM
#189:


Of course he does, he doesn't read any of the articles he links to.
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Jakyl25
03/08/17 9:08:45 PM
#190:


dowolf posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/08/day-without-woman-supporters-got-246m-from-soros.html


...

The article itself says...
Of the march's 544 partners, 100 groups received funding from Soros that totaled $246 million, according to the conservative Media Research Center. Such groups included Planned Parenthood,


oh no george soros gave money to planned parenthood.

whatever shall we do.


Let's all go get free late-term abortions to celebrate
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dowolf
03/08/17 9:20:48 PM
#192:


It's trivially apparent that this is a case of correlation not proving causation.

Like, seriously.
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hockeydude15
03/08/17 9:26:30 PM
#193:


All that money was dumped into those charities over 15 years as well, it's not like Soros just suddenly threw $200+ million at them over the last week cause lol why not. The fact that he is such a huge boogieman to the right is hilarious.
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lordloki12
03/08/17 9:30:38 PM
#194:


Well he is a pretty wealthy man so I guess he could donate to 100 organizations in a day and demand they use it to fund a nationwide protest. Maybe he was also nice enough to send foxnews a list so they would have the data they needed to write that article on it as well.
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banananor
03/08/17 9:57:53 PM
#195:


The right is supposed to be all about privately funding causes like charity, roads, etc, too

Small government and individuals pick up the slack

(Or is that just libertarians?)
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LordoftheMorons
03/09/17 2:17:52 AM
#196:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/acosta/status/839665918754099200

I swear Republicans are like a dog who finally caught the car and now has no idea what to do.

This is extremely disgusting and I am not surprised at all. We already saw the trump WH pull the adds for the end of the ACA enrollment period even though they were already paid for; people are literally going to die for nothing because of this spiteful sack of s***.
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psaltery
03/09/17 5:10:58 AM
#197:


ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION DOWN 40% ON US SOUTHERN BORDER, REPORTS DHS
Secretary Kelly credits enforcement and Trump's 'tough talk'

March 8, 2017

Today, U.S. Customs and Border Protection is releasing illegal border crossing data through the month of February and the numbers show an unprecedented decline in traffic. From January to February, the flow of illegal border crossings as measured by apprehensions and the prevention of inadmissible persons at our southern border dropped by 40 percent.

The drop in apprehensions shows a marked change in trends. Since the Administration’s implementation of Executive Orders to enforce immigration laws, apprehensions and inadmissible activity is trending toward the lowest monthly total in at least the last five years. This change in the trend line is especially significant because CBP historically sees a 10-20 percent increase in apprehensions of illegal immigrants from January to February. Instead, this year we saw a drop from 31,578 to 18,762 persons - a 40 percent decline.

This is encouraging news as in the period from Oct 1, 2016 to the Presidential inauguration, U.S. Customs and Border Protection reported 157,000 apprehensions of illegal immigrants – a 35 percent increase over the previous fiscal year, with family units increasing by more than 100 percent. However, since President Trump took office on January 20, we have seen a dramatic drop in numbers.

The decrease is also encouraging news because it means many fewer people are putting themselves and their families at risk of exploitation, assault and injury by human traffickers and the physical dangers of the treacherous journey north.

Additionally, we are seeing an increase in the fees charged by human smugglers along the U.S. southwest border. Since Nov. 2016, “coyotes” have hiked their fees in some areas by roughly 130 percent - from $3,500 to $8,000 in certain mountainous regions. Changes in U.S. policy, including the detention of apprehended aliens, drive up the smuggling fees.

As directed in my memoranda implementing the President’s executive orders, we remain committed to carrying out fair, impartial and humane enforcement of the nation’s immigration laws. We will remain vigilant to respond to any changes in these trends, as numbers of illegal crossings typically increase between March and May. However, the early results show that enforcement matters, deterrence matters, and that comprehensive immigration enforcement can make an impact.

John F. Kelly
Secretary of Homeland Security


https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
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Jakyl25
03/09/17 6:36:00 AM
#198:


Can't be measured. Impossible to quantify. Corrik told us so.
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VeryInsane
03/09/17 8:21:41 AM
#199:


Corrik most reliable source on board 8 behind Ulti IMO
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banananor
03/09/17 8:57:47 AM
#200:


why did trump and his team deny changing the gop's stance on russia/crimea? it's either that or JD Gordon is falling on his sword to deflect blame from the GOP

tl;dr is that Donald Trump & Paul Manafort vehemently denied having anything to do with changing the GOP's stance at the republican national convention, and it turns out Trump was the origin, lining up with that "liberal pizzagate" Christopher Steele document in various ways

am extremely resistant to buy into what is a conspiracy theory. but damn, this is getting difficult. i'll readily admit i would get a sick joy out of it ending up being true
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