Board 8 > Comics TV Show Topic: 10 Steps Ahead

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I actually like the TV show and the comics, the problem comes from the fact that (and I'll be honest, I read a lot less comics than you, so you know more than me) it seems like they do back themselves into corners sometimes with the logic behind it.

I have watched too many Doctor Who not to roll my eyes with time travel I suppose and to just let it go. Mid episode I was like "why not stick Iris in here?" which is probably the most offensive it has been ever, admittedly.
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If it's any kind of defense, Mark Waid said at that panel that he absolutely loves The Flash show and watches it every week.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

3) Run to the future and recruited himself from a year from now. Then recruited himself from two years from now. Then recruited himself from three years from now. Etc.

This is literally how Savitar was created.
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MrGreenonion posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

3) Run to the future and recruited himself from a year from now. Then recruited himself from two years from now. Then recruited himself from three years from now. Etc.

This is literally how Savitar was created.

And when you point this out to all the other Barrys, you probably stop it from happening.
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I just watched last week's flash.

I just love how they specifically make clear that Barry should not hear about the plans team not-Barry makes because Savitar knows what he knows and then

"where's iris?"
"safe on earth-2!"
*dramatic reveal that it was actually evil Barry*

Like come on, whatever Barry that was, Savitar would have then known. There should have been zero information passed along! Or misinformation at worst!

That said, I am loving some of the theory stuff posted here, it just shouldn't have come to that given all the other better solutions also posted here.
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I mean, it was HR. Not unexpected from him.
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And he does beat himself up over it later, but that really doesn't excuse it given the situation and having been recently reminded about the Barry link.
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Wow, Charlotte Ark'd that dude's face.
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The Supergirl finale was...not great.

Having them repeatedly drive home the point that Kara is stronger than Clark physically and emotionally was pretty cringy. And the big fight scenes with him and Rhea were really strangely choreographed.

Oh well I'm pretty sure the Arrow finale tomorrow will make up for it.
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So, the third pod leaving Krypton at the end of Supergirl was Doomsday, right?
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BlackMageJawa posted...

So, the third pod leaving Krypton at the end of Supergirl was Doomsday, right?

I think it was Reign
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Goddamn that Lucifer
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Lucifer's been incredible, I can't believe we're at the season finale next week already :(
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Supergirl had a lot of good and a lot of bad.

Superman's conversation at the end was bad. I feel like all of the love beats that they tried to hit at the end were weak because it barely seems like Kara and Alex were in their relationships for a long time at all. And getting rid of Mon El seems like a terrible idea since he was one of the better parts of this season.

Making it ambiguous whether or not Kat Grant will be sticking around sucks too. James continues to have literally no purpose on this show and probably deserved to be shipped off to Metropolis before Mon El should have been shipped away.

The lead in the atmosphere idea was also incredibly awful. How is that a good idea at all that won't have lasting effects on the planet?

But I mean, with better execution I feel it would have been better. Here's to hoping Mon El lands on Arrowverse due to the worm hole though!
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On Supergirl:

I'm sure Mon-El will be back before long. Not sure why they didn't just send him through the portal to Earth 1, where he could hang out with Star Labs. At least then Kara could visit. But I'm guessing they wanted the portal storyline. Wherever that leads.

Clark giving that speech to Kara at the end... was a really bad way of trying to make Kara feel better. "You did a really good thing. Something I could never do. Now I'm going to go be with Lois, reminding you yet again that I have someone and you don't!""

Alex proposing to Maggie seems a little soon, but they've been together for like 7 months. So it's not too weird.

They seemed to forget that Kara has at least two friends who are without relationships--James and Lena. Really missed moment for Kara/Lena bonding. Especially since Lena would know that Mon-El had to leave the planet or die and that he was dating Kara. Would have been a nice moment to just have Lena come over to comfort Kara (and that's not just my Kara/Lena shipping talking)

James was useless, and guardian was pointless. Maybe next season he'll do more. But James just sort of seems to just be there.

Also Jeremiah just disappeared. Was Dean Cain just unavailable? Also kind of hope they get Tom Welling on there at some point. Probably not until much later down the line, since I don't think Dean Cain appeared on Smallville until like season 7.
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I've liked this season of Arrow more than The Flash. Flash drew things out way too long and Savitar is pretty lame.

yo Black Flash

what
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Flash finale was pretty great despite some weak build-up during the season.
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Was the Black Flash can't handle cold thing established before and I forgot it because that felt like it came out of nowhere.
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My Immortal posted...

Was the Black Flash can't handle cold thing established before and I forgot it because that felt like it came out of nowhere.

I feel like if Thawne knew, he would have tried to recruit Captain Cold to his crew sooner. I think Savitar knew because he was trapped in the Speed Force for so long. Still, I doubt that's the end of Black Flash.

Flash finale was fun though. Pretty interested in what they'll do with the next season.
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My Immortal posted...

Was the Black Flash can't handle cold thing established before and I forgot it because that felt like it came out of nowhere.

Speedster's have been weak to cold since the cold gun made its debut I'm pretty sure

Also I thought the Flash season finale was very 'meh'. It was okay, but was very unexciting and extremely predictable.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Pretty interested in what they'll do with the next season.

1 episode of something different and then back to the status quo.

God yes Oswald and Ed in this week's Gotham were too good.
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One little thing I caught on Flash:

At one point Cisco calls Savitar, "Two-Face". So does this mean:

A) Batman exists as a fictional character in the Arrowverse and Cisco was making one of his usual pop-culture references, or
B) Batman actually exists in the Arrowverse and Two-Face is a known villain?

They've hinted at a real Batman on Supergirl a few times now, so either way it would be interesting if someone from one Earth found out about whatever version of Batman exists on the other.

I'm hoping it was A, and Supergirl's Earth exists as comic books on Barry's Earth.
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Flash S3 finale was pretty not good. I'm not really sure what the point the point of the season was and the ending is just a tease
Because we all know it'll go back to the same thing after an episode or two. Was pretty disappointed how they handled things. Glad they're taking a break from speedster villains

I think there's a Batman, WayneTech is mention in Wells' future newspaper and Oracle has been taken, whether it was offhand joke or not.
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Merlyn. Worst death ever holy shit.
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Well.

...That ending was something.
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So for the Flash S3 finale why exactly did they bring back Jay? I mean in the context of the episode. He was just brought back because and didn't really do anything. Same for Wally's leg not being snapped he just kinda stood there.

Honestly it kinda felt like they put themselves into a corner with the writing and didn't know what to do with all these Speedsters. There were good episodes and moments through the season, but ultimately Savitar was the weakest major villain on the show.

Jay was a pretty mandatory inclusion, he was locked in the speedforce prison they were supposed to knock Savitar into to take his place.

Jay's role this season was basically to establish that somebody needs to be imprisoned.
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I got that, but couldn't they have just left Jay in there? Ultimately bringing him out did nothing than serve as PLOT for why Barry had to go in and even then why did the Speedforce say it had to be him and that Jay couldn't just go back in?

Arrow was awesome. Best finale in years if not ever.
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Nothing beats Arrow Season 1 finale. That one was just entirely too perfect. Season 2 was also extremely special.

I thought this one suffered from a few things. Bad cliffhanger. Good cliffhangers give you at least some hint of what to look forward to, this gave us nothing. Almost entirely because the writers have no idea what they'll do for it. It also had Merlyn's tremendously awful death (if it's his actual death, but it was ultimately really dumb). Talia being such a massive afterthought. It's obvious they wanted Talia to be Prometheus and changed their minds at the end, but they ended up with something better so I'll forgive it. But Talia is just utterly pointless. Lame end for Konstantin. Why bring him back if he's just going to die again? And why did he not get any of the madness from the Lazarus Pit? I was hoping that would be a part of something. Chase and Oliver had some repetitive dialogue. That all said, it still wrapped up extremely good in the end, and despite all of that it was easily the third best finale.
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In regards to if it is real or not, John Barrowman confirmed he's not signing on for the next season of Arrowverse shows.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

In regards to if it is real or not, John Barrowman confirmed he's not signing on for the next season of Arrowverse shows.

Barrowman also likes to tell lies sometimes about his status. Manu literally just did it too. But if you kill him off by the world's lamest sacrifice to kill FREAKING DCEU CAPTAIN BOOMERANG, that sucks.
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I wouldn't deny it's not possible, but he was saying this months ago completely unsolicited.
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swordz9 posted...

I got that, but couldn't they have just left Jay in there? Ultimately bringing him out did nothing than serve as PLOT for why Barry had to go in and even then why did the Speedforce say it had to be him and that Jay couldn't just go back in?

Yeah true enough, I get it that Jesse taking Jay's place on E3 was thought to be a temporary solution til he gets back... but I'm surprised they didn't really have Jay objecting to Barry just taking his place again >_>
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scarletspeed7 posted...

In regards to if it is real or not, John Barrowman confirmed he's not signing on for the next season of Arrowverse shows.

I think that just means he probably wont' be on next season. He could be back the season after that.
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Dancedreamer posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

In regards to if it is real or not, John Barrowman confirmed he's not signing on for the next season of Arrowverse shows.

I think that just means he probably wont' be on next season. He could be back the season after that.

Definitely a possibility; I feel like he's moving on to another project though.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Definitely a possibility; I feel like he's moving on to another project though.

13th Doctor confirmed!
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Oh god, if only. I'd also accept Catherine Tate.
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You know, actually... with both the Flash and Arrow finales, it makes sense for... Time skip! That way we get Wally being able to artificially put in time to be the one and only Flash before they start to try rescuing Barry. And then all of the flashbacks for Arrow can be replaced by what happened in the time between the explosion and to the present. And we have stories to tell for everyone in that time for every character to play catch up. I mean, they still want to smash Olicity together, and it seems like they barely scraped by to have a good season this year (since the writing is still super shitty with tons of problems and a lack of foresight). But I mean... I guess if they have stories set up for everyone to play flashback catch up, it forces them to have a plan instead of playing it by the seat of their pants.
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Honestly that is a contender for best Arrow finale. Incredible final showdown with Oliver and Chase, Slade being back just for one episode already makes the show 10x better again (the cold open really gave me the chills), the big fight sequence was well-shot and exciting, just all-around excellent.
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Oh my god that Arrow finale so good. Also I was extremely happy to see Slade again. I hope to see more of him. Cliffhanger was pretty lol because we all know nothing bad is coming of it. Nobody just dies off screen because that's lame

There are some things I would have loved to see to make the finale even better. I'll spoiler them just because the return of Roy, Thea fighting again and Katana coming back. Also Oliver should've broken Prometheus's leg to delay any plans lol

Supergirl finale was good, except for writing out Mon-El in a dumb way when they could've easily kept him on and came up with a suitable explanation to fix the atmosphere for him (stick him in a DEO cell why they fix it, do something to him to remove his lead weakness, go to Earth-1, etc...) But maybe this wormhole thing will lead to something and be good. Supergirl > Superman stuff is lol, but whatever.

Flash finale was also just okay. I dunno when I got so cynical about this show but I can't stop myself from constantly asking why people don't do things that seem obvious to me. Like why wouldn't Savitar just try to kill Iris again? Barry says it wouldn't matter if he killed her anymore, but hell if I know why. It'd still crush Barry and even if the circumstances weren't exactly the same you'd think Savitar would want to do it anyway just to be safe. Also that ending had no emotional impact because Barry's obviously coming back, lol. Non-Killer Frost meta Caitlin is cool though.

Arrow was easily the best of the three. I have no real complaints about it.
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Return of Barry Allen storyline is rumored to kick off next season.

If you don't know why that is awesome, read Return of Barry Allen.
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I bet he's back by like episode 2. I think the biggest problem the show has is not knowing what to do with the Speedsters. They had so many get Speedforce powers and like benched everybody...

swordz9 posted...

I bet he's back by like episode 2. I think the biggest problem the show has is not knowing what to do with the Speedsters. They had so many get Speedforce powers and like benched everybody...

I guarantee you he's back in episode 2.

Except he's not back until episode 8.

Read The Return of Barry Allen.
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I haven't read it, but I can't imagine they would get good ratings if they benched the main character for a while. As good as Cisco is he can't carry the show >_>

Wally and Jay can carry the show a little bit plus Barry wouldn't be totally benched.
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