Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Tidus, Frog, Link, Tails and Kaos vs. Bowser

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trdl23 05/14/17 12:01:49 PM #101:	Let me tell you right now that arguments very well do mean something. I won a few matches based entirely on my arguments in M4. You just have to impress, and, well, this wasn't too impressive. (Don't listen to Corrik; he's good at Mercs because he's good at planning abilities and synergies, not arguments) Arguments tend to be more impressive when you're revealing something new or unknown about the characters involved. Unfortunately, as others have said, Tidus, Frog, Link, and Bowser are all known quantities to voters. Considering you're flat-out ignoring most of the stuff your opponents can do and somehow relying on the Shell to auto-kill most people on the enemy team (when there's plenty of good healing and acrobatics to go around), it should be no surprise that nobody's buying what you're selling. Main advice is to can it about "biases." It's a crutch to use as an excuse for playing poorly and arguing mediocre-ly. Don't alienate your voters; this is a game of charisma in addition to strategy. You're new to Mercs, you made mistakes, it happened to all of us. Suck it up and learn from this. There's plenty more game to play in the next few weeks. --- E come vivo? Vivo! <cite>trdl23 posted [p:879082501] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>Let me tell you right now that arguments very well do mean something. I won a few matches based entirely on my arguments in M4. You just have to impress, and, well, this wasn't too impressive. (Don't listen to Corrik; he's good at Mercs because he's good at planning abilities and synergies, not arguments) Arguments tend to be more impressive when you're revealing something new or unknown about the characters involved. Unfortunately, as others have said, Tidus, Frog, Link, and Bowser are all known quantities to voters. Considering you're flat-out ignoring most of the stuff your opponents can do and somehow relying on the Shell to auto-kill most people on the enemy team (when there's plenty of good healing and acrobatics to go around), it should be no surprise that nobody's buying what you're selling. Main advice is to can it about "biases." It's a crutch to use as an excuse for playing poorly and arguing mediocre-ly. Don't alienate your voters; this is a game of charisma in addition to strategy. You're new to Mercs, you made mistakes, it happened to all of us. Suck it up and learn from this. There's plenty more game to play in the next few weeks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kamekguy 05/14/17 12:03:07 PM #102:	It's not inherent bias. If you'd like me to look up evidence of Tidus's dodging abilities, Frog's durability, Zelda 2 Link's durability, Tails going faster than 60 mph (which is not really a fair assessment, really the shell goes at about 50 at most when compared to the top speed of the Koopa King - the fastest kart in Double Dash. Trust me I played a LOT of Double Dash), or Kaos's durability and ESPECIALLY his flinch resistance, I am certain that examples could be brought up against you. However, most of the voter base finds these to be unnecessary, as they already have knowledge of at least one of those scenarios which would disprove the idea of 'Bowser shell solos'. It would be your job, then, to disprove that, either through evidence of the shell's actual speed, measuring the knockback that the shell does (which is "it causes you to be knocked down and flip over once" in my estimation and long, storied history of sucking at Double Dash), or finding the character's best feat, comparing it to the shell, and explaining why the shell wins. For instance, I don't take The Shell over Link's instantaneous Shield spell halving his knockback and the damage he takes, which is something I give Zelda 2 Link credit to do in time based on his reflexes demonstrated Vs Dark Link, and that keeps him from taking a lava bath. Arguments are anything but superficial. I bullshitted an argument where Knuckles and Captain Falcon ran in a circle for hours and killed a giant dragon through chip damage and Terra hiding in a corner casting at every pass, and people bought it even though I'd barely bought it myself. When alternatives were given, I shifted my focus to other aspects which would make things more difficult - Knuckles burrowing, the fact that Terra has a revive spell, coordination to keep Terra alive, the fact that Cut Man was on the other team and he's literally the worst at fighting ever. Looking back at that match, I wouldn't have voted for me, but I convinced people that the shit I was pedaling was reasonable. I think it's fair to say that everyone loves an underdog story - Hell that's why you weren't vote rushed at the very beginning because people wanted to hear what you had to say about Bowser. Arguments are more than possible, but if it looks 'obvious', you have to give the people something they don't expect. For instance, are there any interesting terrain features Bowser could use exclusive to the Superstar Saga castle? If he gets a free cast of Terrorize or Bowser Crush when they rush in, does that help matters? Would Bowser think to do that without help? Arguments are never useless. But they have to be different from expectation or give information that isn't already known or is requested in order to HAVE use. --- http://i.imgur.com/Ao8TMdc.jpg <cite>Kamekguy posted [p:879082563] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>It's not inherent bias. If you'd like me to look up evidence of Tidus's dodging abilities, Frog's durability, Zelda 2 Link's durability, Tails going faster than 60 mph (which is not really a fair assessment, really the shell goes at about 50 at most when compared to the top speed of the Koopa King - the fastest kart in Double Dash. Trust me I played a LOT of Double Dash), or Kaos's durability and ESPECIALLY his flinch resistance, I am certain that examples could be brought up against you. However, most of the voter base finds these to be unnecessary, as they already have knowledge of at least one of those scenarios which would disprove the idea of 'Bowser shell solos'. It would be your job, then, to disprove that, either through evidence of the shell's actual speed, measuring the knockback that the shell does (which is "it causes you to be knocked down and flip over once" in my estimation and long, storied history of sucking at Double Dash), or finding the character's best feat, comparing it to the shell, and explaining why the shell wins. For instance, I don't take The Shell over Link's instantaneous Shield spell halving his knockback and the damage he takes, which is something I give Zelda 2 Link credit to do in time based on his reflexes demonstrated Vs Dark Link, and that keeps him from taking a lava bath. Arguments are anything but superficial. I bullshitted an argument where Knuckles and Captain Falcon ran in a circle for hours and killed a giant dragon through chip damage and Terra hiding in a corner casting at every pass, and people bought it even though I'd barely bought it myself. When alternatives were given, I shifted my focus to other aspects which would make things more difficult - Knuckles burrowing, the fact that Terra has a revive spell, coordination to keep Terra alive, the fact that Cut Man was on the other team and he's literally the worst at fighting ever. Looking back at that match, I wouldn't have voted for me, but I convinced people that the shit I was pedaling was reasonable. I think it's fair to say that everyone loves an underdog story - Hell that's why you weren't vote rushed at the very beginning because people wanted to hear what you had to say about Bowser. Arguments are more than possible, but if it looks 'obvious', you have to give the people something they don't expect. For instance, are there any interesting terrain features Bowser could use exclusive to the Superstar Saga castle? If he gets a free cast of Terrorize or Bowser Crush when they rush in, does that help matters? Would Bowser think to do that without help? Arguments are never useless. But they have to be different from expectation or give information that isn't already known or is requested in order to HAVE use.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trdl23 05/14/17 12:04:34 PM #103:	That isn't to say that biases don't exist -- everyone knows I'm a Beatrix fanboy, for example. But in a blowout like this, it's very unlikely everyone has the exact same biases at the exact same time. --- E come vivo? Vivo! <cite>trdl23 posted [p:879082626] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>That isn't to say that biases don't exist -- everyone knows I'm a Beatrix fanboy, for example. But in a blowout like this, it's very unlikely everyone has the exact same biases at the exact same time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 05/14/17 12:19:45 PM #104:	Corrik posted... Actually wait. What is the starting distance? According to Kan 10 yards if being generous. But usually about 5. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:879083312] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>Actually wait. What is the starting distance?</quote> According to Kan 10 yards if being generous. But usually about 5.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 05/14/17 12:26:38 PM #105:	Drakeryn posted... what part of "Frog cuts the shell in half" do you not understand Probably the part where Bowsers moveset in SSB4 gives him invincibility when he retreats into his shell, which leads me to believe the shell is much more durable than you are giving credit for. Unless you're saying it is in fact Bowser that is invincible, which if that were the case I ask how would any of them stand a chance then? --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:879083612] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote><cite>Drakeryn posted...</cite> <quote>what part of "Frog cuts the shell in half" do you not understand</quote> Probably the part where Bowsers moveset in SSB4 gives him invincibility when he retreats into his shell, which leads me to believe the shell is much more durable than you are giving credit for. Unless you're saying it is in fact Bowser that is invincible, which if that were the case I ask how would any of them stand a chance then?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Drakeryn 05/14/17 12:27:30 PM #106:	invincibility frames sounds like game mechanics to me --- another place and time, without a great divide, and we could be flying deadly high <cite>Drakeryn posted [p:879083650] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>invincibility frames sounds like game mechanics to me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 05/14/17 12:55:08 PM #107:	IfGodCouldDie posted... Corrik posted... Actually wait. What is the starting distance? According to Kan 10 yards if being generous. But usually about 5. Yeah he doesn't have the speed to dodge that then. 30 feet at 60 mph. Not tidus. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:879084920] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>Actually wait. What is the starting distance?</quote> According to Kan 10 yards if being generous. But usually about 5.</quote> Yeah he doesn't have the speed to dodge that then. 30 feet at 60 mph. Not tidus.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greengravy294 05/14/17 12:55:52 PM #108:	Bowser shell is.....bowser's shell? Huh --- Heck, the wheelchair might even become an asset- Proto or Auron shuttles him around while he blasts away. - Tom, on crippled Ryu http://i.imgur.com/tosbd7k.png <cite>greengravy294 posted [p:879084943] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>Bowser shell is.....bowser's shell? Huh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 05/14/17 12:56:58 PM #109:	Kamekguy posted... which is not really a fair assessment, really the shell goes at about 50 at most when compared to the top speed of the Koopa King - the fastest kart in Double Dash. Trust me I played a LOT of Double Dash The Koopa King tops out at 58mph without speed bursts and you cannot out run it if it is coming up behind you. That tells me it is actually traveling faster than 60, I have just been generous. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:879085003] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kamekguy posted...</cite> <quote>which is not really a fair assessment, really the shell goes at about 50 at most when compared to the top speed of the Koopa King - the fastest kart in Double Dash. Trust me I played a LOT of Double Dash</quote> The Koopa King tops out at 58mph without speed bursts and you cannot out run it if it is coming up behind you. That tells me it is actually traveling faster than 60, I have just been generous.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 05/14/17 12:57:46 PM #110:	IfGodCouldDie posted... Drakeryn posted... what part of "Frog cuts the shell in half" do you not understand Probably the part where Bowsers moveset in SSB4 gives him invincibility when he retreats into his shell, which leads me to believe the shell is much more durable than you are giving credit for. Unless you're saying it is in fact Bowser that is invincible, which if that were the case I ask how would any of them stand a chance then? Invincibility frames do not exist in mercs. Unless it is a move that specfically gives you invincibility as the moves purpose. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:879085041] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Drakeryn posted...</cite> <quote>what part of "Frog cuts the shell in half" do you not understand</quote> Probably the part where Bowsers moveset in SSB4 gives him invincibility when he retreats into his shell, which leads me to believe the shell is much more durable than you are giving credit for. Unless you're saying it is in fact Bowser that is invincible, which if that were the case I ask how would any of them stand a chance then?</quote> Invincibility frames do not exist in mercs. Unless it is a move that specfically gives you invincibility as the moves purpose.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 05/14/17 12:59:12 PM #111:	Drakeryn posted... invincibility frames sounds like game mechanics to me The move seems to discribe it as making him invincible, as its also just not a few frames its the duration of the move. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:879085095] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote><cite>Drakeryn posted...</cite> <quote>invincibility frames sounds like game mechanics to me</quote> The move seems to discribe it as making him invincible, as its also just not a few frames its the duration of the move.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 05/14/17 1:01:28 PM #112:	Corrik posted... IfGodCouldDie posted... Drakeryn posted... what part of "Frog cuts the shell in half" do you not understand Probably the part where Bowsers moveset in SSB4 gives him invincibility when he retreats into his shell, which leads me to believe the shell is much more durable than you are giving credit for. Unless you're saying it is in fact Bowser that is invincible, which if that were the case I ask how would any of them stand a chance then? Invincibility frames do not exist in mercs. Unless it is a move that specfically gives you invincibility as the moves purpose. I'll reread it but the move itself seems to describe making him invincible due yo his shell. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:879085180] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Drakeryn posted...</cite> <quote>what part of "Frog cuts the shell in half" do you not understand</quote> Probably the part where Bowsers moveset in SSB4 gives him invincibility when he retreats into his shell, which leads me to believe the shell is much more durable than you are giving credit for. Unless you're saying it is in fact Bowser that is invincible, which if that were the case I ask how would any of them stand a chance then?</quote> Invincibility frames do not exist in mercs. Unless it is a move that specfically gives you invincibility as the moves purpose.</quote> I'll reread it but the move itself seems to describe making him invincible due yo his shell.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kamekguy 05/14/17 1:05:21 PM #113:	Pssst. Hey God. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFtd8WG-FVg#t=16m16s Bowser's shell survives his ENTIRE CASTLE crushing him. Lil' better feat for you~. --- http://i.imgur.com/Ao8TMdc.jpg <cite>Kamekguy posted [p:879085344] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>Pssst. Hey God. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFtd8WG-FVg#t=16m16s Bowser's shell survives his ENTIRE CASTLE crushing him. Lil' better feat for you~.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 05/14/17 1:09:00 PM #114:	Straight from the Wiki Bowser's shell is fully invincible, nullifying any move that happens to collide with it, making this move all but impossible to challenge from above. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:879085511] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>Straight from the Wiki <quote>Bowser's shell is fully invincible, nullifying any move that happens to collide with it, making this move all but impossible to challenge from above.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 05/14/17 1:13:25 PM #115:	So I fully believe this lends credence to the fact that most of this team would get wrecked because you guys are pretty adamant that they would try and attack it even though its invincible. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:879085694] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>So I fully believe this lends credence to the fact that most of this team would get wrecked because you guys are pretty adamant that they would try and attack it even though its invincible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greengravy294 05/14/17 1:20:33 PM #116:	I personally think a few of them are hit actually --- Heck, the wheelchair might even become an asset- Proto or Auron shuttles him around while he blasts away. - Tom, on crippled Ryu http://i.imgur.com/tosbd7k.png <cite>greengravy294 posted [p:879086018] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>I personally think a few of them are hit actually</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trdl23 05/14/17 1:25:56 PM #117:	Oh I absolutely think some of them are hit. But all of them being not just hit but one-shot from it? That's a tall order. --- E come vivo? Vivo! <cite>trdl23 posted [p:879086255] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>Oh I absolutely think some of them are hit. But all of them being not just hit but one-shot from it? That's a tall order.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 05/14/17 1:31:03 PM #118:	trdl23 posted... Oh I absolutely think some of them are hit. But all of them being not just hit but one-shot from it? That's a tall order. I'm not implying that the shell one hits any of them. If we look at this from a purely physics perspective. That shell is going to barrel straight in to the lava that is directly behind where all of them start. Anyone caught by that shell is going overboard with it. Anyone else that makes contact with that shell is losing all their items, likely in to the lava with everything else. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:879086495] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote><cite>trdl23 posted...</cite> <quote>Oh I absolutely think some of them are hit. But all of them being not just hit but one-shot from it? That's a tall order.</quote> I'm not implying that the shell one hits any of them. If we look at this from a purely physics perspective. That shell is going to barrel straight in to the lava that is directly behind where all of them start. Anyone caught by that shell is going overboard with it. Anyone else that makes contact with that shell is losing all their items, likely in to the lava with everything else.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trdl23 05/14/17 1:45:31 PM #119:	Okay, but even if I buy that (which I'm skeptical of), any of these guys except Tails I take to 1v1 Bowser pretty soundly. Dude gets beaten by an Italian plumber on the regular. --- E come vivo? Vivo! <cite>trdl23 posted [p:879087198] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>Okay, but even if I buy that (which I'm skeptical of), any of these guys except Tails I take to 1v1 Bowser pretty soundly. Dude gets beaten by an Italian plumber on the regular.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 05/14/17 1:52:15 PM #120:	bowser's shell on his body and bowser's shell he throws are two different things mostly because we do see the one he throws shatter --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:879087531] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>bowser's shell on his body and bowser's shell he throws are two different things mostly because we do see the one he throws shatter</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greengravy294 05/14/17 1:59:06 PM #121:	i for one actually think the double dash bowser shell is not actually made of a koopa's shell because thats kinda morbid so we are in concurrence here --- Heck, the wheelchair might even become an asset- Proto or Auron shuttles him around while he blasts away. - Tom, on crippled Ryu http://i.imgur.com/tosbd7k.png <cite>greengravy294 posted [p:879087845] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>i for one actually think the double dash bowser shell is not actually made of a koopa's shell because thats kinda morbid so we are in concurrence here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeezyMiyagi 05/14/17 2:02:03 PM #122:	it's the shell of bowser's father, one day bowser too shall die and his children will honor him by using his corpse as a weapon while go kart racing --- MonkClive0 [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>JeezyMiyagi posted [p:879087961] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>it's the shell of bowser's father, one day bowser too shall die and his children will honor him by using his corpse as a weapon while go kart racing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greengravy294 05/14/17 2:02:19 PM #123:	thats messed up jeezy --- Heck, the wheelchair might even become an asset- Proto or Auron shuttles him around while he blasts away. - Tom, on crippled Ryu http://i.imgur.com/tosbd7k.png <cite>greengravy294 posted [p:879087973] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>thats messed up jeezy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 05/14/17 2:06:10 PM #124:	FFDragon posted... bowser's shell on his body and bowser's shell he throws are two different things mostly because we do see the one he throws shatter But THAT is something that is easily chalked up to game mechanics as it would be OP/unfun to play against if it were allowed to run rampant the whole match, besides it seems pretty peculiar for them to pick "15 times" for it to hit walls before breaking apart. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:879088145] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote><cite>FFDragon posted...</cite> <quote>bowser's shell on his body and bowser's shell he throws are two different things mostly because we do see the one he throws shatter</quote> But THAT is something that is easily chalked up to game mechanics as it would be OP/unfun to play against if it were allowed to run rampant the whole match, besides it seems pretty peculiar for them to pick "15 times" for it to hit walls before breaking apart.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 05/14/17 2:07:02 PM #125:	greengravy294 posted... i for one actually think the double dash bowser shell is not actually made of a koopa's shell because thats kinda morbid so we are in concurrence here Just because you refuse to acknowledge the truth doesn't make it any less true. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:879088185] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote><cite>greengravy294 posted...</cite> <quote>i for one actually think the double dash bowser shell is not actually made of a koopa's shell because thats kinda morbid so we are in concurrence here</quote> Just because you refuse to acknowledge the truth doesn't make it any less true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 05/14/17 2:08:52 PM #126:	JeezyMiyagi posted... it's the shell of bowser's father, one day bowser too shall die and his children will honor him by using his corpse as a weapon while go kart racing Ha ha ha, but that does lend credence to the fact that it would also be invincible as I am sure that shell is hereditary. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:879088266] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote><cite>JeezyMiyagi posted...</cite> <quote>it's the shell of bowser's father, one day bowser too shall die and his children will honor him by using his corpse as a weapon while go kart racing</quote> Ha ha ha, but that does lend credence to the fact that it would also be invincible as I am sure that shell is hereditary.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeezyMiyagi 05/14/17 2:11:01 PM #127:	our funerary customs probably seem messed up to the koopas who can really say burying deceased loved ones is any better than chucking them around while playing games of leisure? --- MonkClive0 [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>JeezyMiyagi posted [p:879088382] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>our funerary customs probably seem messed up to the koopas who can really say burying deceased loved ones is any better than chucking them around while playing games of leisure?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greengravy294 05/14/17 2:11:51 PM #128:	i guess out of all of us here you are the most qualified to speak of mario karting --- Heck, the wheelchair might even become an asset- Proto or Auron shuttles him around while he blasts away. - Tom, on crippled Ryu http://i.imgur.com/tosbd7k.png <cite>greengravy294 posted [p:879088415] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>i guess out of all of us here you are the most qualified to speak of mario karting</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 05/14/17 2:25:53 PM #129:	IfGodCouldDie posted... Just because you refuse to acknowledge the truth doesn't make it any less true. Corrik posted... Just because you do not agree with something does not make you right or it a wrong argument FFDragon posted... I see you've gone to the Corrik School of Arguing™ heh --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:879089122] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote>Just because you refuse to acknowledge the truth doesn't make it any less true.</quote> <cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>Just because you do not agree with something does not make you right or it a wrong argument</quote> <cite>FFDragon posted...</cite> <quote>I see you've gone to the Corrik School of Arguing™ </quote> heh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 05/14/17 2:31:06 PM #130:	FFDragon posted... IfGodCouldDie posted... Just because you refuse to acknowledge the truth doesn't make it any less true. Corrik posted... Just because you do not agree with something does not make you right or it a wrong argument FFDragon posted... I see you've gone to the Corrik School of Arguing™ heh The funniest part about that is how you didn't include the fact that my response was toward something you are basically accusing me of doing. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:879089389] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote><cite>FFDragon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote>Just because you refuse to acknowledge the truth doesn't make it any less true.</quote> <cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>Just because you do not agree with something does not make you right or it a wrong argument</quote> <cite>FFDragon posted...</cite> <quote>I see you've gone to the Corrik School of Arguing™ </quote> heh</quote> The funniest part about that is how you didn't include the fact that my response was toward something you are basically accusing me of doing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 05/14/17 2:31:15 PM #131:	FFDragon posted... IfGodCouldDie posted... Just because you refuse to acknowledge the truth doesn't make it any less true. Corrik posted... Just because you do not agree with something does not make you right or it a wrong argument FFDragon posted... I see you've gone to the Corrik School of Arguing™ heh I mean, FFD is literally arguing that because someone says his argument could be wrong that they are wrong? Lol. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:879089395] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote><cite>FFDragon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote>Just because you refuse to acknowledge the truth doesn't make it any less true.</quote> <cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>Just because you do not agree with something does not make you right or it a wrong argument</quote> <cite>FFDragon posted...</cite> <quote>I see you've gone to the Corrik School of Arguing™ </quote> heh</quote> I mean, FFD is literally arguing that because someone says his argument could be wrong that they are wrong? Lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 05/14/17 2:32:41 PM #132:	I mean, yeah you were both wrong today but not because I said you were tbqh. --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:879089483] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>I mean, yeah you were both wrong today but not because I said you were tbqh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greengravy294 05/14/17 2:34:04 PM #133:	ffd is the best player to quit 4 straight editions of mercenaries I feel as if he has a good idea on what is a good practice to not do tbh --- Heck, the wheelchair might even become an asset- Proto or Auron shuttles him around while he blasts away. - Tom, on crippled Ryu http://i.imgur.com/tosbd7k.png <cite>greengravy294 posted [p:879089543] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>ffd is the best player to quit 4 straight editions of mercenaries I feel as if he has a good idea on what is a good practice to not do tbh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 05/14/17 2:34:30 PM #134:	FFDragon posted... I mean, yeah you were both wrong today but not because I said you were tbqh. So does that mean gravy is right just because he refuses to believe that it is a legit Koopa shell? --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:879089563] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote><cite>FFDragon posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, yeah you were both wrong today but not because I said you were tbqh.</quote> So does that mean gravy is right just because he refuses to believe that it is a legit Koopa shell?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 05/14/17 2:35:51 PM #135:	Surprisingly, I never actually quit any of them! Finished 3rd in M1. Skipped M2. M3 fell apart on its own, but I was there to the end. M4 I bowed out to Boko because of Chris quitting and that's the closest I came. --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:879089622] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>Surprisingly, I never actually quit any of them! Finished 3rd in M1. Skipped M2. M3 fell apart on its own, but I was there to the end. M4 I bowed out to Boko because of Chris quitting and that's the closest I came.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greengravy294 05/14/17 2:37:43 PM #136:	M4 is definitely quitting I don't know the rest but someone said you always do so I guess they LIED --- Heck, the wheelchair might even become an asset- Proto or Auron shuttles him around while he blasts away. - Tom, on crippled Ryu http://i.imgur.com/tosbd7k.png <cite>greengravy294 posted [p:879089723] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>M4 is definitely quitting I don't know the rest but someone said you always do so I guess they LIED</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 05/14/17 2:40:16 PM #137:	I'll definitely give you M4 then. But all the others aren't really arguable, I played those out with a passion (except M2, which I was never in). --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:879089837] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>I'll definitely give you M4 then. But all the others aren't really arguable, I played those out with a passion (except M2, which I was never in).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greengravy294 05/14/17 2:44:48 PM #138:	I tgink it was kanz he is a NEFARIOUS truth stretcher after all --- Heck, the wheelchair might even become an asset- Proto or Auron shuttles him around while he blasts away. - Tom, on crippled Ryu http://i.imgur.com/tosbd7k.png <cite>greengravy294 posted [p:879090070] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>I tgink it was kanz he is a NEFARIOUS truth stretcher after all</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MajinZidane 05/14/17 2:45:24 PM #139:	I dunno man, I wouldn't give him a quit for that. --- Virtue - "You don't need a reason to Boko United." <cite>MajinZidane posted [p:879090102] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>I dunno man, I wouldn't give him a quit for that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 05/14/17 2:46:42 PM #140:	greengravy294 posted... I tgink it was kanz he is a NEFARIOUS truth stretcher after all Naw, I have much respect for FFD and I would never call what he did in M1 quitting. I took a tactical dive in M3 to make things more even in the finals too, for ex. There's a difference between playing kingmaker (or trying to) and just throwing. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:879090162] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote><cite>greengravy294 posted...</cite> <quote>I tgink it was kanz he is a NEFARIOUS truth stretcher after all</quote> Naw, I have much respect for FFD and I would never call what he did in M1 quitting. I took a tactical dive in M3 to make things more even in the finals too, for ex. There's a difference between playing kingmaker (or trying to) and just throwing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greengravy294 05/14/17 2:47:32 PM #141:	Nothing wrong with the good old rage quit there's satisfaction in burning everything to the ground --- Heck, the wheelchair might even become an asset- Proto or Auron shuttles him around while he blasts away. - Tom, on crippled Ryu http://i.imgur.com/tosbd7k.png <cite>greengravy294 posted [p:879090208] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>Nothing wrong with the good old rage quit there's satisfaction in burning everything to the ground</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 05/14/17 2:50:12 PM #142:	FFDragon posted... I mean, yeah you were both wrong today but not because I said you were tbqh. This dude literally says that we are bad arguers because we always says we are right and everyone is wrong... WHILE saying we are wrong and he is right because he says so... WHILE my response being just because he makes an argument does not make it right or that it cannot be wrong. You cannot make this stuff up. Literally blatantly trolling or unable to see his clear contradiction. "What I say is right and what you say is wrong and if you say I could be wrong then it is because you are always right and everyone else is always wrong which shows you cannot argue." Holy fuck --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:879090353] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote><cite>FFDragon posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, yeah you were both wrong today but not because I said you were tbqh.</quote> This dude literally says that we are bad arguers because we always says we are right and everyone is wrong... WHILE saying we are wrong and he is right because he says so... WHILE my response being just because he makes an argument does not make it right or that it cannot be wrong. You cannot make this stuff up. Literally blatantly trolling or unable to see his clear contradiction. "What I say is right and what you say is wrong and if you say I could be wrong then it is because you are always right and everyone else is always wrong which shows you cannot argue." Holy fuck</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greengravy294 05/14/17 2:54:41 PM #143:	I can't wait for the Deadly Alliance of Corrik and IGCD in this edition of mercs --- Heck, the wheelchair might even become an asset- Proto or Auron shuttles him around while he blasts away. - Tom, on crippled Ryu http://i.imgur.com/tosbd7k.png <cite>greengravy294 posted [p:879090581] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>I can't wait for the Deadly Alliance of Corrik and IGCD in this edition of mercs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 05/14/17 2:58:39 PM #144:	An argument is wrong if it fails to resonate with the voters enough to make you win. It's right if it did its job. That's really all there is to it IMO. What the player making the argument thinks doesn't matter, because they don't vote. It's a skill worth learning to not think about whether you believe your team wins, but rather whether voters will believe you win. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:879090781] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>An argument is wrong if it fails to resonate with the voters enough to make you win. It's right if it did its job. That's really all there is to it IMO. What the player making the argument thinks doesn't matter, because they don't vote. It's a skill worth learning to not think about whether you believe your team wins, but rather whether voters will believe you win.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 05/14/17 3:00:33 PM #145:	KanzarisKelshen posted... An argument is wrong if it fails to resonate with the voters enough to make you win. It's right if it did its job. That's really all there is to it IMO. What the player making the argument thinks doesn't matter, because they don't vote. It's a skill worth learning to not think about whether you believe your team wins, but rather whether voters will believe you win. An argument is wrong if it can be proven wrong. Not if like 4 more random ppl on some obscure board vote so. I feel half these matches would have different outcomes on deathbattles or reddit or teamliquid foruns or so on. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:879090874] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>An argument is wrong if it fails to resonate with the voters enough to make you win. It's right if it did its job. That's really all there is to it IMO. What the player making the argument thinks doesn't matter, because they don't vote. It's a skill worth learning to not think about whether you believe your team wins, but rather whether voters will believe you win.</quote> An argument is wrong if it can be proven wrong. Not if like 4 more random ppl on some obscure board vote so. I feel half these matches would have different outcomes on deathbattles or reddit or teamliquid foruns or so on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GANON1025 05/14/17 3:01:50 PM #146:	I have to be honest, I forgot FFD played Mercs 4 --- http://i.imgur.com/gSaEoxZ.png <cite>GANON1025 posted [p:879090931] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>I have to be honest, I forgot FFD played Mercs 4</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GANON1025 05/14/17 3:02:01 PM #147:	Mercs 5 --- http://i.imgur.com/gSaEoxZ.png <cite>GANON1025 posted [p:879090938] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>Mercs 5</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 05/14/17 3:02:50 PM #148:	All of those places use stupid as fuck calculations so I mean, I wouldn't respect their opinions. Classic example is 'FF character dodged a Thundaga, THEY ARE MASSIVELY FASTER THAN LIGHTSPEED' which has a billion holes on it. Also, you have to remember the arguments are a means to an end here. The goal's to win the match. Swaying the voters is what matters. Think of it less like a scientific dissertation and more like a presidential campaign speech, because that's a lot closer to what you gotta do I think. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:879090985] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>All of those places use stupid as fuck calculations so I mean, I wouldn't respect their opinions. Classic example is 'FF character dodged a Thundaga, THEY ARE MASSIVELY FASTER THAN LIGHTSPEED' which has a billion holes on it. Also, you have to remember the arguments are a means to an end here. The goal's to win the match. Swaying the voters is what matters. Think of it less like a scientific dissertation and more like a presidential campaign speech, because that's a lot closer to what you gotta do I think.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 05/14/17 3:05:58 PM #149:	wait what mercs number are we on --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:879091125] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote>wait what mercs number are we on</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 05/14/17 3:06:15 PM #150:	KanzarisKelshen posted... All of those places use stupid as fuck calculations so I mean, I wouldn't respect their opinions. Classic example is 'FF character dodged a Thundaga, THEY ARE MASSIVELY FASTER THAN LIGHTSPEED' which has a billion holes on it. Also, you have to remember the arguments are a means to an end here. The goal's to win the match. Swaying the voters is what matters. Think of it less like a scientific dissertation and more like a presidential campaign speech, because that's a lot closer to what you gotta do I think. So you are saying it is a popularity match and not an actual who wins argument. Well, that explains a ton. Because the voter who told me that speed of mercs is generally not cared for when voting blew my mind since "speed kills" and is usually a good barometer of who wins a fight many times. So, I guess why literally someone having vastly more speed not mattering makes more sense now in this. It is just a popularity contest. Fuck my arguments for now on. Just giving away random free steam games away in future matches. Huzzah. Never losing again. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:879091141] in ~FIGHT!~ T... [t:75340159]...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>All of those places use stupid as fuck calculations so I mean, I wouldn't respect their opinions. Classic example is 'FF character dodged a Thundaga, THEY ARE MASSIVELY FASTER THAN LIGHTSPEED' which has a billion holes on it. Also, you have to remember the arguments are a means to an end here. The goal's to win the match. Swaying the voters is what matters. Think of it less like a scientific dissertation and more like a presidential campaign speech, because that's a lot closer to what you gotta do I think.</quote> So you are saying it is a popularity match and not an actual who wins argument. Well, that explains a ton. Because the voter who told me that speed of mercs is generally not cared for when voting blew my mind since "speed kills" and is usually a good barometer of who wins a fight many times. So, I guess why literally someone having vastly more speed not mattering makes more sense now in this. It is just a popularity contest. Fuck my arguments for now on. Just giving away random free steam games away in future matches. Huzzah. Never losing again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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