Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Tidus, Frog, Link, Tails and Kaos vs. Bowser

(+) Yeah! (+)

What is commonly known as "Mercs 4" is actually the 5th mercs.
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did... did I miss an entire mercs?

I mean, it's entirely possible. But I feel like I was here.
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Mercenaries 1 - The original
Mercenaries 2 - The Test Run
Mercenaries 3 - Test Run 2
Mercenaries 4 - This one was a self-insert fanfiction made during the events of Mercs 3, probably the one you don't remember
Mercenaries 5 - "Mercenaries 4"
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oooooooh

This sounds vaguely familiar.
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There are some people who want to sweep the real Mercenaries 4 under the rug because it's not a """"""real"""""" mercs. but i wont let it happen
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It was by Ed Bellis and Chris IIRC, for more reference
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greengravy294 posted...

I personally think a few of them are hit actually

So we give tails a pass because he is already flying.

That leaves 4 of them to be possibly(very likely due to speed and distance,) we should try and figure out how likely it be to hit them based on where they start. The two most likely scenarios would be in a line or semi-grouped either squared or diamond shaped grouping.

Now, it is much more likely that all four get hit if grouped and a better chance that two get missed if they are in a line. If heroic tropes have taught us anything heros like to group shot heroically. I think this leads to an increased chance they start this fight grouped.

Look how confident skyridge is in this fight, you know he would have completely undersold how bad this match could be for them. This is a group of guys that come in under prepared and start the match with this giant debilitating spkie tank coming at them faster than any of them can move.

I know that with as many times its been said that one or two of them might try to deflect or destroy the shell instead of getting out of the way. This means you are actually decreasing the chances that all 4 of them get out of the way.

So in the interest of fairness we can say that this fight becomes tails and 1 other vs. Bowser. I can explain how Bowser wins anyone of these 2v1's.
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By all means do so

I feel like that argument is much more reasonable than 'shell SOLOS'
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(Match is already over tho - they last 24 hours so Skyridge won. But refining arguments is good practice.)
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

(Match is already over tho - they last 24 hours so Skyridge won. But refining arguments is good practice.)

I know that. I just care about the truth.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

All of those places use stupid as fuck calculations so I mean, I wouldn't respect their opinions. Classic example is 'FF character dodged a Thundaga, THEY ARE MASSIVELY FASTER THAN LIGHTSPEED' which has a billion holes on it.

Now that you mention it, Tidus does dodge lightning bolts in the Thunder Plains so he can probably dodge a shell
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On most foes having the sky is an advantage. With the evidence presented so far we know Bowser's shell is indestructible and nullifies any attack that hits it. So what is usually an advantage is becomes pretty null and void.

Also for every character I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they cleanly got a way from the Bowser shell so they kept all their items.
Link and Tails: So Bowser can summon Boo's and Mecha Koopas in this fight. Bowser can also earth bend as also seen in Super Mario RPG.
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GANON1025 posted...

There are some people who want to sweep the real Mercenaries 4 under the rug because it's not a """"""real"""""" mercs. but i wont let it happen

But even you describe it as a "self-insert fanfiction!"
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Kaos is already flying. You can call it "hovering," but he's not on the ground, is the point. The shell is not that tall. Kaos is not getting hit. He'd barely have to move to make it so.

Kaos can beat Bowser 1 on 1 pretty easily. And if somebody else happens to survive, well... lol

There is no "truth" that makes this not a thing. Even in your absolute best case scenario where the shell takes out everybody else, you still lose.

There are certainly fights Bowser can win. This is not one of them.
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MZero11 posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

All of those places use stupid as fuck calculations so I mean, I wouldn't respect their opinions. Classic example is 'FF character dodged a Thundaga, THEY ARE MASSIVELY FASTER THAN LIGHTSPEED' which has a billion holes on it.

Now that you mention it, Tidus does dodge lightning bolts in the Thunder Plains so he can probably dodge a shell

Seems very gameplay minigame oriented than legit to me. Plus, some people never dodge a lightning bolt anyways.
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Tidus literally plays Blitzball.

If you can dodge a ball you can dodge a shell.
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greengravy294 posted...

I tgink it was kanz he is a NEFARIOUS truth stretcher after all

Some version of this is in the drak journal
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

(Match is already over tho - they last 24 hours so Skyridge won. But refining arguments is good practice.)

I know that. I just care about the truth.

Woo boy are you playing the wrong game.

The entire game is hypothetical. "The Truth" is an arrogant assertion of knowing all the "facts" in completely abstract circumstances. It's not only silly and ineffective, it makes you look like an asshole. Nobody wants to vote for an asshole unless they're overwhelmingly going to win.
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Can vouch no one likes voting for the """"bad guy""""
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trdl23 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

(Match is already over tho - they last 24 hours so Skyridge won. But refining arguments is good practice.)

I know that. I just care about the truth.

Woo boy are you playing the wrong game.

The entire game is hypothetical. "The Truth" is an arrogant assertion of knowing all the "facts" in completely abstract circumstances. It's not only silly and ineffective, it makes you look like an asshole. Nobody wants to vote for an asshole unless they're overwhelmingly going to win.

Welcome to 3rding that this game is a popularity contest and has nothing to do with the purpose of the game.
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I don't think he's saying that at all. He's just saying that it's human nature to have difficulty voting for somebody that goes "You're all stupid and wrong"

If this was based on popularity, I'd have probably never voted for you at all. But I did like, 90% of the time.
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redrocket_pub posted...

Tidus literally plays Blitzball.

If you can dodge a ball you can dodge a shell.

Lolol. Blitzball is not dodgeball tho haha
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StealThisSheen posted...

I don't think he's saying that at all. He's just saying that it's human nature to have difficulty voting for somebody that goes "You're all stupid and wrong"

If this was based on popularity, I'd have probably never voted for you at all. But I did like, 90% of the time.

He is saying he personally cannot set aside bias and vote for people he does not like unless it is a stomp. Which means he tacitly just said he has given ample reasoning that his vote should never be counted any time he votes in a match against someone he does not like and it should be removed.
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Corrik posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

I don't think he's saying that at all. He's just saying that it's human nature to have difficulty voting for somebody that goes "You're all stupid and wrong"

If this was based on popularity, I'd have probably never voted for you at all. But I did like, 90% of the time.

He is saying he personally cannot set aside bias and vote for people he does not like unless it is a stomp. Which means he tacitly just said he has given ample reasoning that his vote should never be counted any time he votes in a match against someone he does not like and it should be removed.

Don't bother, man, seriously. Corrik is genuinely a good guy but has the communication skills of a rock, both incoming and outgoing.
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trdl23 posted...

Corrik posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

I don't think he's saying that at all. He's just saying that it's human nature to have difficulty voting for somebody that goes "You're all stupid and wrong"

If this was based on popularity, I'd have probably never voted for you at all. But I did like, 90% of the time.

He is saying he personally cannot set aside bias and vote for people he does not like unless it is a stomp. Which means he tacitly just said he has given ample reasoning that his vote should never be counted any time he votes in a match against someone he does not like and it should be removed.

Don't bother, man, seriously. Corrik is genuinely a good guy but has the communication skills of a rock, both incoming and outgoing.

Thanks, Trdl. Always mean to someone always nice to you. = (
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trdl23 posted...

Corrik is genuinely a good guy

This is objectively false. Just pay attention to him in the politics topic to see why

Skyridge87 posted...

trdl23 posted...

Corrik is genuinely a good guy

This is objectively false. Just pay attention to him in the politics topic to see why

No, that's the thing, I have. You can have obnoxious politics and still be a fine person (aka half my family). It's just that he's more abrasive than razor-sharp sandpaper.
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Skyridge87 posted...

trdl23 posted...

Corrik is genuinely a good guy

This is objectively false. Just pay attention to him in the politics topic to see why

Oh shit are ppl no shit inserting politics into mercs now? That is awesome. Is there a reason a certain few of you cannot ever separate politics from shit in your life. Same certain few who try to insult people and judge them because they hace diffrrent opinions than them tho. Go figure.
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I'm sorry, I have difficulty thinking anyone who justifies slavery being moral by comparing it to animals raised for slaughter is "a genuinely a good guy".

Skyridge87 posted...

I'm sorry, I have difficulty thinking anyone who justifies slavery being moral by comparing it to animals raised for slaughter is "a genuinely a good guy".

I think you just can't read and say shit that never was said.
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Here we go
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greengravy294 posted...

Here we go

Mercs! Mercs! Mercs!
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Corrik posted...
Yes because there could be countless things you are doing immorally now that you don't even realize it.

Lopen posted...
Well, it's not as if societal changes are something that come literally out of nowhere. You're trying to say that "people who owned slaves back then didn't realize it was immoral because society didn't tell them it was" but clearly some people did know as much otherwise slavery wouldn't ever have stopped.

An inherent sense of morality isn't really a thing that depends on society. Society merely enforces. People can still think certain things are wrong even in a society that widely accepts such things.

That is to say I think you're drastically overestimating how many things we're doing that are "immoral"

Corrik posted...
Let's use a completely whatever hypothetical.

800 years from now... whatever animal's brain develops more. Achieve higher intelligence whatever.

Wants to know why we used their species as sport, good, entertainment, etc.

Now are we all so immoral because we bred chickens just to slaughter them for food?

I mean...?

That does not say anything you just said I said. Thank you for verifying you cannot read at all. I will gift you hooked on Phonics for xmas my dear gaming pal.
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Enough, make a separate topic if you want to debate Corrik's intrinsic morality.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Kaos is already flying. You can call it "hovering," but he's not on the ground, is the point. The shell is not that tall. Kaos is not getting hit. He'd barely have to move to make it so.

Kaos can beat Bowser 1 on 1 pretty easily. And if somebody else happens to survive, well... lol

There is no "truth" that makes this not a thing. Even in your absolute best case scenario where the shell takes out everybody else, you still lose.

There are certainly fights Bowser can win. This is not one of them.

There is no evidence that he can get much higher than he already is, so it's not "flying."

The Shell is at least 3 times as tall as Bowser according to the picture earlier. There is no reason to believe that he is hovering THAT high. Now even if he is currently hovering a little bit off of the ground, he is right in the fucking danger zone for spikes. He is not fast enough to move out of the way from being impaled. With the the shells debilitating properties and getting snagged on a spike he is definitely being dragged down to where ever this shell goes.
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StealThisSheen posted...

I don't think he's saying that at all. He's just saying that it's human nature to have difficulty voting for somebody that goes "You're all stupid and wrong"

If this was based on popularity, I'd have probably never voted for you at all. But I did like, 90% of the time.

I have never said any one was stupid and that everyone was wrong. I have diligently refuted any point brought up with facts and observations.
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"facts"
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FFDragon posted...

"facts"

Are you saying specific things quoted from game source or canonical sources are not regarded as fact?
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

There is no evidence that he can get much higher than he already is, so it's not "flying."

He literally flies up off the stage to attack with lasers and swords and shit, so... Yes, he can fly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcdR4WWHuRE&t=8m00s

This was posted literally on page one. In fact, he flies quite fast. Look how fast he zips up. Also, the only part that is at any height to get touched by the shell is the crystal part of his body, which is certainly not getting "snagged"

Try again
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

FFDragon posted...

"facts"

Are you saying specific things quoted from game source or canonical sources are not regarded as fact?

You ignored a video representation of a character in your opponent's very first argument then stated a "fact" that was directly disproved by the video in question

I would say your "facts" are questionable, yes.
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