Poll of the Day > If Qui-Gon lived would Anakin have turned to the dark side?

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Muscles
05/22/17 11:39:32 PM
#1:


Palpatine was the one that always supported him, and that's why he such an influence on him that led him to the dark side, but you can see in TPM that Qui-Gon supports him just as much as Palpatine
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TheCyborgNinja
05/22/17 11:41:29 PM
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Anakin was always going dark.
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Mead
05/22/17 11:42:06 PM
#3:


Probably he still would have been a little emo shit

Obi-Wan taught him well after all
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Zeus
05/22/17 11:42:11 PM
#4:


Well, Obi-Wan acknowledges he was nowhere near as great a teacher, but half the problem with Anakin was that he was too old which practically every jedi literally kept pointing out. The system largely worked because you could keep them from forming outside ties while building a strong in-group loyalty. Without those standards, you just have a guy with powers.
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05/22/17 11:44:00 PM
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Blighboy
05/22/17 11:45:20 PM
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Anakin never fit into the Jedi Order, which lead to him feeling isolated and developing his close relationship with Palpatine. Obi-Wan sort of just straddled a middle ground between Anakin's rule breaking and the Jedi Order's rules, just sort of overlooking anything Anakin did while ostensibly supporting the Jedi Order's way of doing things.

Qui-Gon was different in that he actively opposed many of the Jedi Order's policies. It's possible under him Anakin would have left the Jedi Order, or fallen to the dark side even faster. Or it may have helped drive him away from Palpatine.
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wolfy42
05/22/17 11:52:38 PM
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It's possible Qui-Gon might have become a grey jedi, and eventually led Anakin to make the same choice (Giving him a different option basically).

Honestly the whole set up for Anakin going dark was kinda stupid. It was a self fulfilling that led to Amadala croaking, although perhaps Palapatine planted those images in his head?Anyway there where tons of ways for him to prevent her death, and if he had a real Master (Obi really was dropping the ball by that point), he probably would have seen that.

Obi basically thought Ani was ready to be on the council and be a full Jedi etc (maybe because he had saved his bacon a bunch of times), but he was VERY wrong. I basically consider Obi to be mostly to blame for Anikin turning, not Palapatine.
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WhiskeyDisk
05/22/17 11:56:12 PM
#9:


Imagine if Mace Windu had been Anakin's master instead.
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Muscles
05/23/17 12:00:01 AM
#10:


WhiskeyDisk posted...
Imagine if Mace Windu had been Anakin's master instead.

No one thought he should even be trained and Obi-Wan only trained him because Qui-Gon wanted him to. Obi-Wan wasnt a great teacher though seeing as he was still a padawan himself when he started training Anakin
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Mead
05/23/17 12:00:45 AM
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WhiskeyDisk posted...
Imagine if Mace Windu had been Anakin's master instead.


You mean the only council member who openly uses the dark side of the force?
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aHappySacka
05/23/17 12:00:54 AM
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Probably not unless it would lead Anakin's mother being saved since that's the catalyst for his fall to the dark side.

On a side-note there is a Starwars channel on Youtube who discusses various Star Wars related things and he makes reasonable and interesting what-ifs (serious or not) with the one on Qui-Gon being alive ending up being probably the worst.
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WhiskeyDisk
05/23/17 12:04:12 AM
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Mead posted...
WhiskeyDisk posted...
Imagine if Mace Windu had been Anakin's master instead.


You mean the only council member who openly uses the dark side of the force?


Compared to Palpatine luring Anakin with the tragedy of Darth Plagueis? Are you serious? Mace died fighting for the Jedi cause. Can you even imply the same of Palpatine?
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Cruddy_horse
05/23/17 12:24:51 AM
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Mead posted...
WhiskeyDisk posted...
Imagine if Mace Windu had been Anakin's master instead.


You mean the only council member who openly uses the dark side of the force?


What are you talking about? Unless you're referring to when he reflects Palpatine's lightning back at him? that's not really using the Dark Side.
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MICHALECOLE
05/23/17 12:26:58 AM
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Cruddy_horse posted...
Mead posted...
WhiskeyDisk posted...
Imagine if Mace Windu had been Anakin's master instead.


You mean the only council member who openly uses the dark side of the force?


What are you talking about? Unless you're referring to when he reflects Palpatine's lightning back at him? that's not really using the Dark Side.

He's the only Jedi who uses the force choke
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SusanGreenEyes
05/23/17 12:28:10 AM
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Anakin killed the Jedi children before Qui-Gon died.
He was already down the dark path.


What are your thoughts on the topic, @jedirood?
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MICHALECOLE
05/23/17 12:29:36 AM
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SusanGreenEyes posted...
Anakin killed the Jedi children before Qui-Gon died.
He was already down the dark path.


What are your thoughts on the topic, @jedirood?

Wha?
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SusanGreenEyes
05/23/17 12:34:57 AM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
SusanGreenEyes posted...
Anakin killed the Jedi children before Qui-Gon died.
He was already down the dark path.


What are your thoughts on the topic, @jedirood?

Wha?

Oops he died in episode 1.
Sorry bout that.
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Cruddy_horse
05/23/17 12:35:01 AM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
Cruddy_horse posted...
Mead posted...
WhiskeyDisk posted...
Imagine if Mace Windu had been Anakin's master instead.


You mean the only council member who openly uses the dark side of the force?


What are you talking about? Unless you're referring to when he reflects Palpatine's lightning back at him? that's not really using the Dark Side.

He's the only Jedi who uses the force choke


When? Also I believe Luke used it once too.
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Mead
05/23/17 12:36:04 AM
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Cruddy_horse posted...
MICHALECOLE posted...
Cruddy_horse posted...
Mead posted...
WhiskeyDisk posted...
Imagine if Mace Windu had been Anakin's master instead.


You mean the only council member who openly uses the dark side of the force?


What are you talking about? Unless you're referring to when he reflects Palpatine's lightning back at him? that's not really using the Dark Side.

He's the only Jedi who uses the force choke


When? Also I believe Luke used it once too.


He also uses a lightsaber form directly attributed to dark side users of the force, only he is able to resist it's corrupting influence.
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MICHALECOLE
05/23/17 12:38:16 AM
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Cruddy_horse posted...
MICHALECOLE posted...
Cruddy_horse posted...
Mead posted...
WhiskeyDisk posted...
Imagine if Mace Windu had been Anakin's master instead.


You mean the only council member who openly uses the dark side of the force?


What are you talking about? Unless you're referring to when he reflects Palpatine's lightning back at him? that's not really using the Dark Side.

He's the only Jedi who uses the force choke


When? Also I believe Luke used it once too.

He uses it on general grievous

And yeah Luke uses it too
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WhiskeyDisk
05/23/17 12:42:19 AM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
Cruddy_horse posted...
MICHALECOLE posted...
Cruddy_horse posted...
Mead posted...
WhiskeyDisk posted...
Imagine if Mace Windu had been Anakin's master instead.


You mean the only council member who openly uses the dark side of the force?


What are you talking about? Unless you're referring to when he reflects Palpatine's lightning back at him? that's not really using the Dark Side.

He's the only Jedi who uses the force choke


When? Also I believe Luke used it once too.

He uses it on general grievous

And yeah Luke uses it too



To be fair, Grievous is rocking 4 lightsabers. Pretty sure no holds are barred at that point.
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Mead
05/23/17 12:52:28 AM
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Luke used it once but that was in RotJ where Lucas wanted to portray that he was getting closer to the dark side as he gained power, same reason why he wears all black in that one
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jedirood
05/23/17 1:07:03 AM
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1. Mace Windu practices Form VII, of which he is the last known user by the end of the Clone Wars. It incorporated both the light and the dark. Mace Windu managed to keep balance.

2. Anakin fell due to a number of factors. He had a strong tie with his mother Shmi, and her death, and his slaughter of the Sand People pushed him further in. His love for Padme gave Palpatine the fuel he needed, and gave him a self fullfilling vision, that he only realized far too late. Palpatine led him to think that he killed Padme in his anger. Even with Qui-Jon, I don't see much changing. Without Padme, he might not have ever fallen as that was the catalyst.
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Mead
05/23/17 1:13:52 AM
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Basically anakin was a huge bitch
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MICHALECOLE
05/23/17 1:31:21 AM
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Well why the fuck did they never go try and see his mom? Like ever? Like just space ship there and be like hey mom I'm training to be a Jedi alright love you call me if anybody tries to kidnap you bye
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jedirood
05/23/17 2:20:28 AM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
Well why the fuck did they never go try and see his mom? Like ever? Like just space ship there and be like hey mom I'm training to be a Jedi alright love you call me if anybody tries to kidnap you bye


Attachment can breed fear of loss. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate...leads to suffering.

If Yoda was his master, it might be different. Anakin greatly respected, and trusted, Jedi Grand Master Yoda. He told him things that he never told Obi-Wan
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Mead
05/23/17 2:25:57 AM
#29:


jedirood posted...
Attachment can breed fear of loss. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate...leads to suffering.


Pain is what actually leads to anger. So of course the absence and then loss of his mother hurt him and fueled his rage. Yoda was dumb.
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WhiskeyDisk
05/23/17 2:31:48 AM
#30:


Mead posted...
Yoda was dumb.


Sick have I become, old and weak... When nine hundred years old *you* reach, look as good *you* will not, hmm?
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jedirood
05/23/17 2:58:20 AM
#31:


Mead posted...
jedirood posted...
Attachment can breed fear of loss. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate...leads to suffering.


Pain is what actually leads to anger. So of course the absence and then loss of his mother hurt him and fueled his rage. Yoda was dumb.


Very wise, he was. Much respected.

Anakin trusted Yoda more than anything. More than his Master.
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Blighboy
05/23/17 6:53:36 AM
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Vaapad is not to my knowledge explicitly dark side at all, but it requires Mace to completely immerse himself in combat which risks dark side influence should he start to enjoy himself. It's dangerous but on its own not explicitly bad.

However Shatterpoint isn't canon anymore so I'm not sure Vaapad is either.
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