Current Events > Mike Rowe savages lazy, entitled millennials with S.W.E.A.T. Pledge

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wonder if he hurt his hand jerking himself off so much
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ZMythos posted...

krazychao5 posted...

Quick! Deflect deflect deflect!

Let's bury our heads in the sand and blame others! Let's also demonize others that have a good work ethic!

How am I deflecting? I literally responded to your "think for yourself" comment by pointing out its hypocrisy

I'm not demonizing those who work hard. I'm calling bullshit on people who think you should work hard for no reward like a proverbial cog in the machine of capitalism. Get that Jeremiah Fink bullshit out of here.

You deleted the rest of my post in the quote, so I had to look up why I said that.

And it is because you were wrong to assume that his line about debt is to not take any debt and you ran with that talking about "underprivileged" people cannot live without debt or some bullshit. Which is why I said think for yourself -- gotta know what is good and bad debt to take out. Debt is neither good nor bad. It's dependent on the situation and context.
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voldothegr8 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Amazing that preaching the values of hard work, personal responsibility, and a good attitude are one of the quickest ways to trigger this board.

Even if you disagree with Mike Rowe's philosophy, your life would certainly be better off if you adopted most of these principles.

LOL, came in to post something similar. Dude slops around in literal shit... "he's never worked a day in his life, he's just a TV host"

Hahahahaha millennials are funny.

No one has said he never worked a day in his life
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"Work hard and you can achieve success"

"I agree. Can we also discuss the socioeconomic and race issues that make it harder for poor people and particularly poor people of color to advance up the ladder and how we can fix them?"

"YOU HATE WORK AND SUCCESS STOP COMPLAINING"
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krazychao5 posted...

And it is because you were wrong to assume that his line about debt is to not take any debt and you ran with that talking about "underprivileged" people cannot live without debt or some bullshit. Which is why I said think for yourself -- gotta know what is good and bad debt to take out. Debt is neither good nor bad. It's dependent on the situation and context.

He literally said "avoid debt at all cost"
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FrisbeeDude posted...

"Work hard and you can achieve success"

"I agree. Can we also discuss the socioeconomic and race issues that make it harder for poor people and particularly poor people of color to advance up the ladder and how we can fix them?"

"YOU HATE WORK AND SUCCESS STOP COMPLAINING"

Its just a coincidence that people born into money are more likely to be successful!
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FrisbeeDude posted...

"I agree. Can we also discuss the socioeconomic and race issues that make it harder for poor people and particularly poor people of color to advance up the ladder and how we can fix them?"

No, because that's irrelevant. Those folks are still undoubtedly better off adopting these points than having a victim mentality where they're waiting for historical injustices to be fixed for them before applying themselves.
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ZMythos posted...

krazychao5 posted...

And it is because you were wrong to assume that his line about debt is to not take any debt and you ran with that talking about "underprivileged" people cannot live without debt or some bullshit. Which is why I said think for yourself -- gotta know what is good and bad debt to take out. Debt is neither good nor bad. It's dependent on the situation and context.

He literally said "avoid debt at all cost"

It actually says "I deplore debt and do all I can to avoid it"

Which does not translate to "avoid debt at all costs"
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Millionaire celebrity tells people to be happy at shitty jobs.
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It's not even the work ethic part, it's ignoring that working hard is not enough in many cases
Like, half of it is about being responsible and living in dignity which is fine. The other half is a cry to accept mediocrity and get over it

It has nothing to do with entitlement. People don't just give you money because you work hard. People compensate you because they need you to do the work. You leverage your ability to do the work to get more money.
That is the way the world actually works.

Putting in extra time for free, doing shitty jobs that no one wants to do (for nothing!), letting yourself be mistreated, etc. do not increase your value. In fact, they work strongly against you and all of your coworkers. These things will all become what is expected of you, and they will know that you'll do it all without getting paid extra.

Really now, it's all a bunch of BS
"Sure you can pursue happiness, but don't be surprised f you aren't actually happy... you are not actually entitled to being happy"
"There is no such things as a bad job. Be happy you get to do the shitty work you do"
"Don't follow your passions and dreams. Just channel that passion into the work you don't like."
"Do a bunch of extra work without regard for extra compensation".
"Don't complain about perceived injustices, just shut up and take it up the ass".
"Instead of trying to make the world more fair, just accept your shitty existence"


Some jobs are dead ends, and a lot of jobs suck. Jobs that you won't list on a resume are not opportunities. Debt is sometimes necessary, and establishing good credit is crucial in this day and age. Its unavoidable, its useful, and sometimes its even profitable when you leverage it properly. You don't move up the ranks by becoming the office slave. So many people fall into this trap. If you do the crap no one wants to do, you stand the chance of not getting promoted for that VERY REASON. You move up the ranks by showing that you make better decisions than your peers and by showing that you are capable of doing what your BOSS does, not necessarily what your peers do.


For a long time I really appreciated that he was giving a moment in the sun to a lot of professions that people might not know about or might look down on. That was awesome, and I'm glad that he helped destigmatize the idea of the "American working man" but it seems like lately he's swung a little bit too far into the "screw entitled millenials" spectrum, which automatically makes someone lose respect in my book.
It's all well and good to promote the idea of working hard and earning a living, but when most of the things you say start sounding like thinly-veiled digs at people, it starts to get old.
He doesn't seem to understand that you can appreciate and celebrate someone's line of work and still acknowledge that they are mercilessly exploited by the system of capitalism. According to him, anybody who wants better than what they have should just shut up and do their job or quit.

krazychao5 posted...

It actually says "I deplore debt and do all I can to avoid it"

Which does not translate to "avoid debt at all costs"

I mean he suggests he'd rather live in a tent than have debt.

That certainly implies you shouldn't get a home loan, for instance, although I assumed he was being facetious. You know. Joking.
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@Error1355 PLEASE I beg you come lock this topic for me. Mod me for trolling or whatever. This was suppose to be a silly topic to mock kids and the people who mock millennials. If I knew this topic was gonna be a horseshit topic where people over exaggerate extreme views towards each other than I wouldn't have made it. I'm such a fool to think this topic would be something we could simply laugh at.
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Balrog0 posted...

I mean he suggests he'd rather live in a tent than have debt.

That certainly implies you shouldn't get a home loan, for instance, although I assumed he was being facetious. You know. Joking.

I was under the impression that his debt statement was about living within your means, or at least not far outside of them. You can live just as comfortably in a $100k house and a used car, rather than financing a brand new vehicle and a $300k house. Stuff like that.
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well yeah thats what Im saying

the statement is purposefully hyperbolic

it's almost certainly not feasible for people to buy a house without a loan in the vast majority of circumstances, which would mean we should live in tents until we save up enough to buy a house in cash

of course he doesn't actually mean that, he is saying to be wise with your money more generally
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Lmao @ anyone who isn't aware that Mike Rowe is just an actor.
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TommyG663513 posted...

Antifar posted...

There are definitely bad jobs; Mike Rowe, former TV host, just hasn't worked them.

Smashingpmkns posted...

I like Mike Rowe, but this whole "working man" image he puts up is bull shit. He's a communications graduate that hasn't worked an actual "dirty job" in his life.

These. Hard to take him all that seriously tbh. Working some dirty jobs for a TV crew doesn't exactly make him an authority on employment.

This is one of the biggest problems with the world today. This dude is trying to do something to make a difference and all anyone wants to do is tear him down. Don't shoot the messenger, LOOK AT THE MESSAGE.
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Iodine posted...

Millennials.

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KarmaMuffin posted...

People don't just give you money because you work hard.

Working hard is almost entirely up to you as a person. There are jobs that you can slack and still get paid the same, but why waste your time like that. Hardwork builds CHARACTER and that's something sorely lacking in our society imho. When I go to work I ask myself the question 'how can I make this company better?' and its always lead to success for me.

we've become a society of selfish, entitled weaklings and its just sad to see.
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Veggeta_EDGE posted...

@Error1355 PLEASE I beg you come lock this topic for me. Mod me for trolling or whatever. This was suppose to be a silly topic to mock kids and the people who mock millennials. If I knew this topic was gonna be a horseshit topic where people over exaggerate extreme views towards each other than I wouldn't have made it. I'm such a fool to think this topic would be something we could simply laugh at.

Next time don't share any old ass bullshit from Mike Rowe if you don't want a shitshow.
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ShotOJameson posted...

This is one of the biggest problems with the world today. This dude is trying to do something to make a difference and all anyone wants to do is tear him down. Don't shoot the messenger, LOOK AT THE MESSAGE.

but it's HIS message.
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ShotOJameson posted...

This is one of the biggest problems with the world today. This dude is trying to do something to make a difference and all anyone wants to do is tear him down. Don't shoot the messenger, LOOK AT THE MESSAGE.

The message is "Gosh, guys, I got rich filming TV shows for decades, why can't you guys just do the same?"

There, read it. I have a good amount of respect for Mike Rowe, he's done a lot of good to help out blue-caller workers and small businesses. Here, however, he is way off base. He's basically telling people to suck it the fuck up and play with the hand you're dealt. Leave your quality of life up to luck of the draw to decide.
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ShotOJameson posted...

TommyG663513 posted...

Antifar posted...

There are definitely bad jobs; Mike Rowe, former TV host, just hasn't worked them.

Smashingpmkns posted...

I like Mike Rowe, but this whole "working man" image he puts up is bull shit. He's a communications graduate that hasn't worked an actual "dirty job" in his life.

These. Hard to take him all that seriously tbh. Working some dirty jobs for a TV crew doesn't exactly make him an authority on employment.

This is one of the biggest problems with the world today. This dude is trying to do something to make a difference and all anyone wants to do is tear him down. Don't shoot the messenger, LOOK AT THE MESSAGE.

I read the message and it wasn't very good. I also made an observation about the messenger.

You sound abnormally upset about this. Sorry my words offended you so deeply.
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MACisBack posted...

I like it, and Mike Rowe is an awesome guy!

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If everyone actually went about their lives doing what this pledge says, the world would be a better place.
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Capitalist propaganda
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The Admiral posted...

Waiting for liberals to turn on Mike Rowe and minimize his perfectly useful and legitimate comments to "bootstraps."

You're too late, the whining, bitching, and trolling have already started.
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KarmaMuffin posted...

It's not even the work ethic part, it's ignoring that working hard is not enough in many cases
Like, half of it is about being responsible and living in dignity which is fine. The other half is a cry to accept mediocrity and get over it

It's a shame you had to include that second part because it pretty much invalidates everything else in your post. Accepting mediocrity is the opposite of what he's telling you. If you'd turn off that victim mentality for half a second, you'd understand that it is up to you to use these "crappy" jobs as stepping stones to better paths to success. If the minimum wage isn't enough to live on, then live with someone else. You see all these millennials who work wage jobs and live with their parents but don't do anything with it. I worked a $10 an hour job for over 2 years while living with my dad and I had enough money to pay for my first car in cash, get my own place, and even earmark some money for when I would eventually go to college and get a degree for a career that pays six figures plus. Not once was I "trapped" at my old job, I was free to leave somewhere else any time I wanted.

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Millionaire celebrity tells people to be happy at shitty jobs.

Someone sensible amidst all the idiots.
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Annihilated posted...

polopili posted...

Sounds like a manual on how to be happy with a terrible life.

No, that's the liberal version. This one is telling you how to better your own life by committing to responsibility and self improvement.

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ShotOJameson posted...

KarmaMuffin posted...

People don't just give you money because you work hard.

Working hard is almost entirely up to you as a person. There are jobs that you can slack and still get paid the same, but why waste your time like that. Hardwork builds CHARACTER and that's something sorely lacking in our society imho. When I go to work I ask myself the question 'how can I make this company better?' and its always lead to success for me.

This is even more true at the shitty, low-end jobs that the apologists in this topic are using as their excuse.

I remember seeing this first hand the summer I worked at Burger King. I was 18, and I was the only employee who would consistently show up on time, wear the uniform properly, not jerk around when the store was full, not bitch about the job, not half ass it, not steal, and generally have a good attitude. I was also the youngest person on the team, but their attitude was mostly terrible. They felt like this was a shit job, and they treated it as such.

I remember one day, after the lunch rush, I was bored and decided to straighten all the tables (align them, and put the fake flowers/salt/pepper shakers in the same spots). The manager came in at that point, saw me doing this without being asked, and acted like this was some amazing feat of initiative. That's how low the bar was.

At the end of the summer, I told the manager I was planning to leave, and he offered me a promotion to assistant manager if I stayed on. I thankfully declined, but I was amazed at how little was actually required at a job like that to get promoted. Although, being older now and seeing how terrible most fast food workers are at their jobs, I can understand. Had any of those people applied Mike Rowe's advice, they could have advanced, made more money, and had more productive employment. But they didn't -- they just made excuses like this board is and watched as some 18-year-old achieved more carer success in three months than they had in a decade.
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Annihilated posted...

I worked a $10 an hour job for over 2 years while living with my dad and I had enough money to pay for my first car in cash, get my own place, and even earmark some money for when I would eventually go to college and get a degree for a career that pays six figures plus.

So you basically leeched off your dad, and the government, for helping to provide low-cost education.
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What's ironic is that despite all the pussy whining by the millennial users ITT, they themselves would not be able to handle the dirty jobs that Mike Rowe has done.

Request this topic be Sticky posted.
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kurdt032 posted...

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Millionaire celebrity tells people to be happy at shitty jobs.

Someone sensible amidst all the idiots.

So if it was somebody not in the public eye that came from nothing and turned themselves into a successful and happy person would you listen then?

Listen and don't take it so personal.
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

Annihilated posted...

I worked a $10 an hour job for over 2 years while living with my dad and I had enough money to pay for my first car in cash, get my own place, and even earmark some money for when I would eventually go to college and get a degree for a career that pays six figures plus.

So you basically leeched off your dad, and the government, for helping to provide low-cost education.

And here, ladies and gentlemen, is the tried and failed leftist strategy of taking stories of personal success and mocking them because they're whiny insecure little brats who couldn't spot opportunity if it humped them in the leg.

The Admiral posted...

This is even more true at the shitty, low-end jobs that the apologists in this topic are using as their excuse.

I remember seeing this first hand the summer I worked at Burger King. I was 18, and I was the only employee who would consistently show up on time, wear the uniform properly, not jerk around when the store was full, not bitch about the job, not half ass it, not steal, and generally have a good attitude. I was also the youngest person on the team, but their attitude was mostly terrible. They felt like this was a shit job, and they treated it as such.

I remember one day, after the lunch rush, I was bored and decided to straighten all the tables (align them, and put the fake flowers/salt/pepper shakers in the same spots). The manager came in at that point, saw me doing this without being asked, and acted like this was some amazing feat of initiative. That's how low the bar was.

At the end of the summer, I told the manager I was planning to leave, and he offered me a promotion to assistant manager if I stayed on. I thankfully declined, but I was amazed at how little was actually required at a job like that to get promoted. Although, being older now and seeing how terrible most fast food workers are at their jobs, I can understand. Had any of those people applied Mike Rowe's advice, they could have advanced, made more money, and had more productive employment. But they didn't -- they just made excuses like this board is and watched as some 18-year-old achieved more carer success in three months than they had in a decade.

Or maybe your anecdotal evidence is just that?

for instance, I put forth much more effort than that in my mcdonalds job and I got the minimum raise possible. so I quit and worked some where else, although it took an unpaid internship to get my foot in the door beforehand

some of my coworkers had multiple dependents and couldn't afford to make that transition, though. many of them were harder workers than I
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well I dont want to overstate that

most people were just awful but there were a few standout employees. lots of them mainly spoke spanish and were held back by that I feel
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Annihilated posted...

Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

Annihilated posted...

I worked a $10 an hour job for over 2 years while living with my dad and I had enough money to pay for my first car in cash, get my own place, and even earmark some money for when I would eventually go to college and get a degree for a career that pays six figures plus.

So you basically leeched off your dad, and the government, for helping to provide low-cost education.

And here, ladies and gentlemen, is the tried and failed leftist strategy of taking stories of personal success and mocking them because they're whiny insecure little brats who couldn't spot opportunity if it humped them in the leg.

BBT had all those same opportunities -- he went to NYU at least partly on his parents' dime -- and he's a complete failure who works in retail in his 30s. Of course he's trying to find reasons to tear you down. You had fewer advantages than him and achieved more.
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Annihilated posted...

And here, ladies and gentlemen, is the tried and failed leftist strategy of taking stories of personal success and mocking them because they're whiny insecure little brats who couldn't spot opportunity if it humped them in the leg.

Those opportunities were handed to you, by society - that same society that is trying to help everyone else with similar opportunities, but people like you, are trying to deny them those same opportunities.
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Vindris_SNH posted...

If everyone actually went about their lives doing what this pledge says, the world would be a better place.

"If nobody tried to make their lives better and just stuck with their shitty jobs, the world for the upper classes of society would be a better place"

fixed that for you champ-o
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Bluster posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

If everyone actually went about their lives doing what this pledge says, the world would be a better place.

"If nobody tried to make their lives better and just stuck with their shitty jobs, the world for the upper classes of society would be a better place"

fixed that for you champ-o

You'd be better served fixing your reading comprehension, since it says nothing like that. Read point 8 again if you're still confused.
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The Admiral posted...

You'd be better served fixing your reading comprehension, since it says nothing like that. Read point 8 again if you're still confused.

Point 8 does not negate the fact that points 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 9, 10, 11, and 12 all amount to "sit down, shut up, know your place, and don't ever ever ever try to make your life better because you're not entitled to any happiness whatsoever."

I guess I just read more of the image than you did. So much for your 'stellar work ethic' eh sport?
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Bluster posted...

The Admiral posted...

You'd be better served fixing your reading comprehension, since it says nothing like that. Read point 8 again if you're still confused.

Point 8 does not negate the fact that points 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 9, 10, 11, and 12 all amount to "sit down, shut up, know your place, and don't ever ever ever try to make your life better because you're not entitled to any happiness whatsoever."

The Admiral posted...

You'd be better served fixing your reading comprehension, since it says nothing like that.

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Addy dont act like we Liberals didnt already turn on Mike Rowe when he supported Mitt Romney.
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The Admiral posted...

I remember one day, after the lunch rush, I was bored and decided to straighten all the tables (align them, and put the fake flowers/salt/pepper shakers in the same spots). The manager came in at that point, saw me doing this without being asked, and acted like this was some amazing feat of initiative. That's how low the bar was.
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Similar story: I worked at a recycling plant one time, literally a job sorting other people's garbage. You gotta do what you gotta do to pay bills, right? Anyway, I showed up on time every day, only missed work like twice all summer, did whatever the boss asked me to do no matter how dirty or shitty, and never bitched. When I went to quit so I could start college, my boss was dumbfounded. Not because I was quitting, he understood that, but because not only did I TELL him I was quitting AND I came back on my day off to turn in my safety gear (hard hat, safety glasses, etc). He was so used to people just walking off the job in the middle of the shift because they couldn't hash it that even the simple fact of me letting him know without notice was extraordinary.
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IllegalAlien posted...

What I don't understand is why demanding a better world is seen in such a contemptuous light by so many people. Well, I do understand it. It's just sad.

Most leftist's definition of a better world is "gimme more stuff for less effort". Hardly a better world for the people that now have to work harder to supply to the people that think working hard is a waste of time and luxuries are actually necessities of life. I actually find his view better for the world overall as it promotes finding joy and purpose in what you do, not in how well you keep up with the Joneses and using that purpose to give to the world, not just take from it.

Yes, there are legitimate issues with modern employment like cronyism and perceptual bias making some work wrongly more valued than others,but as someone that has a disability, and lived and worked with others with disabilities, I find far too many people without disabilities say "can't" when they mean"won't because it's too hard". Bets are on I know people that did more with less than most people complaining because they didn't wallow in self pity.

Edit: also noting the humor in using his financial status to invalidate his advice. Yes, let's ignore a millionaire on how to become a millionaire. Maybe he's never really worked in sewage, but unless his efforts on the Dirty Jobs show are totally phoned in, they're work ethics that still apply.
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The Admiral posted...

Bluster posted...

The Admiral posted...

You'd be better served fixing your reading comprehension, since it says nothing like that. Read point 8 again if you're still confused.

Point 8 does not negate the fact that points 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 9, 10, 11, and 12 all amount to "sit down, shut up, know your place, and don't ever ever ever try to make your life better because you're not entitled to any happiness whatsoever."

The Admiral posted...

You'd be better served fixing your reading comprehension, since it says nothing like that.

1. Be grateful you don't live in a third world shithole
2. You're not entitled to happiness
3. No job is bad, no matter how degrading and fucking awful the working conditions are and how underpaid you are and how terribly you're treated and no matter how much the job makes you want to kill yourself.
4. Have you tried not hating your terrible job?
5. Don't try to take loans to rise out of your shitty position, just sell the assets you have and enter the wonderful world of subsistence living.
9. You're not entitled to upper education, just go to the library, you can definitely get school credentials at a library. And if you can't, well, fuck it, go shovel coal in the mines because lol I have nothing else to offer you. Are you happy with your job, by the way?
10. Starving African children just aren't working hard enough. They're a product of their choices, not their circumstances
11. I understand the world is unfair, and I'm okay with that, because I'm a direct beneficiary of it being unfair.
12. Starving African children just need to learn how to make bootstraps out of animal leather, and pull themselves up by their freshly made bootstraps.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to work. Don't you have to work at 3PM on a Tuesday, Addy? Where's that work ethic of yours?
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Bluster posted...

1. Be grateful you don't live in a third world shithole
2. You're not entitled to happiness
3. No job is bad, no matter how degrading and fucking awful the working conditions are and how underpaid you are and how terribly you're treated and no matter how much the job makes you want to kill yourself.
4. Have you tried not hating your terrible job?
5. Don't try to take loans to rise out of your shitty position, just sell the assets you have and enter the wonderful world of subsistence living.
9. You're not entitled to upper education, just go to the library, you can definitely get school credentials at a library. And if you can't, well, fuck it, go shovel coal in the mines because lol I have nothing else to offer you. Are you happy with your job, by the way?
10. Starving African children just aren't working hard enough. They're a product of their choices, not their circumstances
11. I understand the world is unfair, and I'm okay with that, because I'm a direct beneficiary of it being unfair.
12. Starving African children just need to learn how to make bootstraps out of animal leather, and pull themselves up by their freshly made bootstraps.

I hope, for your sake and anyone you come in contact with, that you're joking.
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Bluster posted...

The Admiral posted...

Bluster posted...

The Admiral posted...

You'd be better served fixing your reading comprehension, since it says nothing like that. Read point 8 again if you're still confused.

Point 8 does not negate the fact that points 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 9, 10, 11, and 12 all amount to "sit down, shut up, know your place, and don't ever ever ever try to make your life better because you're not entitled to any happiness whatsoever."

The Admiral posted...

You'd be better served fixing your reading comprehension, since it says nothing like that.

1. Be grateful you don't live in a third world shithole
2. You're not entitled to happiness
3. No job is bad, no matter how degrading and fucking awful the working conditions are and how underpaid you are and how terribly you're treated and no matter how much the job makes you want to kill yourself.
4. Have you tried not hating your terrible job?
5. Don't try to take loans to rise out of your shitty position, just sell the assets you have and enter the wonderful world of subsistence living.
9. You're not entitled to upper education, just go to the library, you can definitely get school credentials at a library. And if you can't, well, fuck it, go shovel coal in the mines because lol I have nothing else to offer you. Are you happy with your job, by the way?
10. Starving African children just aren't working hard enough. They're a product of their choices, not their circumstances
11. I understand the world is unfair, and I'm okay with that, because I'm a direct beneficiary of it being unfair.
12. Starving African children just need to learn how to make bootstraps out of animal leather, and pull themselves up by their freshly made bootstraps.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to work. Don't you have to work at 3PM on a Tuesday, Addy? Where's that work ethic of yours?

LOL. Seriously dude

You'd be better served fixing your reading comprehension, since it says nothing like that.

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Why am I even responding to The Absolute Donkey in any serious manner

Go back to work Admiral. Oh wait, you're a fucking drain on society NEET.
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ShotOJameson posted...

kurdt032 posted...

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Millionaire celebrity tells people to be happy at shitty jobs.

Someone sensible amidst all the idiots.

So if it was somebody not in the public eye that came from nothing and turned themselves into a successful and happy person would you listen then?

Listen and don't take it so personal.

I disagree with most of the points on the board but the fact it was put together by a multi millionaire did make it particularly galling, yes.

Some of the points are just outright lies ffs.
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