Poll of the Day > Should Trump be impeached?

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Northern_Star
05/24/17 12:30:06 PM
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yes or no
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jamieyello3
05/24/17 12:36:19 PM
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Yes

I'm gonna be honest, the Comey Russia scandel is a much bigger deal than gay Muslim Obama being born in Kenya during a Satanist ritual, and frankly I'll take Pence, he's probably much more intelligent. Trump might the dumbest president we've ever had. Pretty sure he was a plant by the Clintons that went catastrophically wrong. He's like Wheatley from Portal 2.

Trump outright came out and stated he fired Comey for looking into him when his administration was pushing another story that was supposed to be a cover-up.

Not that it will happen with the Republican senate.
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BlackScythe0
05/24/17 12:44:35 PM
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Yes, I expect impeachment will begin by the end of the year.
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Muffinz0rz
05/24/17 2:59:00 PM
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Hard to take a foot fetishist topic seriously
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papercup
05/24/17 3:00:58 PM
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No! Long live the emperor! Long may he reign!
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Person106
05/24/17 3:05:11 PM
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*grabs the leftover election popcorn*
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slacker03150
05/24/17 3:22:02 PM
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Even if there is nothing to the Russia scandal, the evidence shows that he has tried to intimidate witnesses, silence journalists, and stop an investigation against him, so even if we end up with mike pence, I think impeachment would be fair at this point.
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Muffinz0rz
05/24/17 3:30:32 PM
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Make sure to buy stock in electroshock homosexual conversion therapy camps if impeachment starts
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J_Dawg983
05/24/17 3:31:21 PM
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Yes, he doesn't even care about feelings.
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darkknight109
05/24/17 3:53:43 PM
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Thus far it hasn't been proven that he's done anything illegal - I'm content to wait until the various probes and investigations finish and report their findings before I make the call on whether impeachment is worthwhile.

Honestly, though, I'm conflicted. On the one hand, Trump is bad for the country - and bad for the world - which makes me root for impeachment; on the other hand, his potential replacements in Pence and Ryan (if Pence winds up impeached too) I suspect would be far more damaging in the long run, which makes me root for Trump to stay in office as the buffoonish fop who can't get anything done.
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Mead
05/24/17 3:54:25 PM
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Depends on what they find from the investigations.

Based on things he himself has said, it sure seems like it.
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JixHedgehog
05/24/17 4:21:11 PM
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As of right now, no

Until someone can come up with some credible evidence that he broke a law he's fine
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BlackScythe0
05/24/17 4:41:31 PM
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JixHedgehog posted...
As of right now, no

Until someone can come up with some credible evidence that he broke a law he's fine


Obstruction of justice.
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darkknight109
05/24/17 4:48:33 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
JixHedgehog posted...
As of right now, no

Until someone can come up with some credible evidence that he broke a law he's fine


Obstruction of justice.

Based on what's on the table right now, an Obstruction cause likely would not stick. There's some circumstantial evidence, and a whole lot of hearsay floating around, but the concrete evidence is still pretty thin.

Be patient and let investigators do their work.
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BlackScythe0
05/24/17 4:56:26 PM
#15:


darkknight109 posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
JixHedgehog posted...
As of right now, no

Until someone can come up with some credible evidence that he broke a law he's fine


Obstruction of justice.

Based on what's on the table right now, an Obstruction cause likely would not stick. There's some circumstantial evidence, and a whole lot of hearsay floating around, but the concrete evidence is still pretty thin.

Be patient and let investigators do their work.


Oh they are going to find worse, he was just saying there is no credible evidence of anything he could be impeached for.
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MrZAP17
05/24/17 5:02:29 PM
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I guess we're all just forgetting about emoluments now.

The guy has more than one problem.
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Mead
05/24/17 5:06:27 PM
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darkknight109 posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
JixHedgehog posted...
As of right now, no

Until someone can come up with some credible evidence that he broke a law he's fine


Obstruction of justice.

Based on what's on the table right now, an Obstruction cause likely would not stick. There's some circumstantial evidence, and a whole lot of hearsay floating around, but the concrete evidence is still pretty thin.

Be patient and let investigators do their work.


He literally admitted to obstruction of justice in a televised interview.
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OhhhJa
05/24/17 5:07:11 PM
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Yes, he should bc liberals should get what they want
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Person106
05/24/17 5:13:16 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Yes, he should bc liberals should get what they want


Seems to me they want Mike Pence for president. Who'd have thunk.
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Lightning Bolt
05/24/17 5:15:20 PM
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Person106 posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Yes, he should bc liberals should get what they want


Seems to me they want Mike Pence for president. Who'd have thunk.

Not ideal, but that'd probably be okay.

I'm fine with the president disagreeing with me. I'm not fine with the president actually being incompetent.
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MrZAP17
05/24/17 5:26:31 PM
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Lightning Bolt posted...
Person106 posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Yes, he should bc liberals should get what they want


Seems to me they want Mike Pence for president. Who'd have thunk.

Not ideal, but that'd probably be okay.

I'm fine with the president disagreeing with me. I'm not fine with the president actually being incompetent.

Some would link the two.

Not saying that there aren't also people who agree with me that are incompetent, but I would argue that those who do not want what I want are incompetent at getting what I want. Or in other words their disagreement with me is in itself disqualifying.
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Erik_P
05/24/17 5:27:18 PM
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darkknight109 posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
JixHedgehog posted...
As of right now, no

Until someone can come up with some credible evidence that he broke a law he's fine


Obstruction of justice.

Based on what's on the table right now, an Obstruction cause likely would not stick. There's some circumstantial evidence, and a whole lot of hearsay floating around, but the concrete evidence is still pretty thin.

Be patient and let investigators do their work.


He literally admitted to it in an interview.
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streamofthesky
05/24/17 6:01:54 PM
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Not until and if Democrats retake the House in 2018 and Pence is also impeached. After that, yes.

If either of those does not happen, NO. We'd end up w/ an even worse president, I'd rather tolerate a literal traitor to America that can't get anything done at that point. Bringing justice and doing the right thing are such lofty and noble aspirations, but if you have any sense of pragmatism, it's not worth destroying our country just to do the right thing. And that's what a President Pence or Ryan would mean.
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darkknight109
05/24/17 6:08:18 PM
#24:


Erik_P posted...
darkknight109 posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
JixHedgehog posted...
As of right now, no

Until someone can come up with some credible evidence that he broke a law he's fine


Obstruction of justice.

Based on what's on the table right now, an Obstruction cause likely would not stick. There's some circumstantial evidence, and a whole lot of hearsay floating around, but the concrete evidence is still pretty thin.

Be patient and let investigators do their work.


He literally admitted to it in an interview.

Not good enough.

If all you have to go on is his word in one interview, it will never stand up in court. All he would have to say is, "I was lying/exaggerating; the real reason I fired him is the one I laid out in the formal, signed letter of termination that was delivered to his office, not the off-the-cuff remark made in the middle of an interview."

Again, be patient. Trump usually provides ample rope with which to hang himself and the people running the intelligence agencies aren't stupid; if there's something here to find, it will be found.
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Zeus
05/24/17 6:10:55 PM
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He'd have had to have done something first. Right now, no evidence has been turned up.

jamieyello3 posted...
Yes

I'm gonna be honest, the Comey Russia scandel is a much bigger deal than gay Muslim Obama being born in Kenya during a Satanist ritual, and frankly I'll take Pence, he's probably much more intelligent. Trump might the dumbest president we've ever had. Pretty sure he was a plant by the Clintons that went catastrophically wrong. He's like Wheatley from Portal 2.

Trump outright came out and stated he fired Comey for looking into him when his administration was pushing another story that was supposed to be a cover-up.

Not that it will happen with the Republican senate.


Pretty much why I wonder if Yellow is an actual person.

BlackScythe0 posted...
Yes, I expect impeachment will begin by the end of the year.


Probably mean more if you hadn't been saying impeachment before he even took office.

darkknight109 posted...
Thus far it hasn't been proven that he's done anything illegal - I'm content to wait until the various probes and investigations finish and report their findings before I make the call on whether impeachment is worthwhile.


This, pretty much. I doubt there's anything to it since Occam's Razor suggests there's no collusion because none would be necessary.

darkknight109 posted...
Honestly, though, I'm conflicted. On the one hand, Trump is bad for the country - and bad for the world - which makes me root for impeachment; on the other hand, his potential replacements in Pence and Ryan (if Pence winds up impeached too) I suspect would be far more damaging in the long run, which makes me root for Trump to stay in office as the buffoonish fop who can't get anything done.


Honestly, he's no worse than anybody else and the hyperbolic claims about that are silly. The vocal allegations against him involve Trump rolling back shit that shouldn't have been done in the first place. While we can't bring back everybody killed by the Obama administrations's illegal war in the Middle East (whose victims included an entire fucking wedding procession), I'm happy to see as much else undone as possible.
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jamieyello3
05/24/17 6:14:55 PM
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Zues shut the hell up about me being a troll. You're the only one who thinks that because I'm one of the few posters who even bothers responding to you anymore.

You call me a troll because that's easier than defending Trump against his own words.
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James xeno
05/24/17 6:31:38 PM
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Yo.... or maybe nes.. i'm not sure yet.


J_Dawg983 posted...
Yes, he doesn't even care about feelings.


WHAT!?! He doesn't?? Why haven't we risen up against his intolerable tyranny of indifference over a very specific and select few's feelings! The goddamn monster!

Oh wait.....
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OhhhJa
05/24/17 6:33:05 PM
#29:


James xeno posted...
Yo.... or maybe nes.. i'm not sure yet.


J_Dawg983 posted...
Yes, he doesn't even care about feelings.


WHAT!?! He doesn't?? Why haven't we risen up against his intolerable tyranny of indifference over a very specific and select few's feelings! The goddamn monster!

Oh wait.....

Lol i figured he was joking but knowing potd probably not
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James xeno
05/24/17 6:39:49 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
James xeno posted...
Yo.... or maybe nes.. i'm not sure yet.


J_Dawg983 posted...
Yes, he doesn't even care about feelings.


WHAT!?! He doesn't?? Why haven't we risen up against his intolerable tyranny of indifference over a very specific and select few's feelings! The goddamn monster!

Oh wait.....

Lol i figured he was joking but knowing potd probably not

It kind of works either way so... lol
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darkknight109
05/24/17 6:42:22 PM
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Zeus posted...
Honestly, he's no worse than anybody else and the hyperbolic claims about that are silly.

Agreed. I mean, aside from the multitude of ways he is demonstrably worse and in way over his head, he`s totally the greatest.
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zebatov
05/24/17 6:44:37 PM
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Reading through this thread made me some kinda thirsty.

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DirtBasedSoap
05/24/17 6:45:31 PM
#33:


slacker03150 posted...
Even if there is nothing to the Russia scandal, the evidence shows that he has tried to intimidate witnesses, silence journalists, and stop an investigation against him, so even if we end up with mike pence, I think impeachment would be fair at this point.

So if it turns out he's innocent he should still be impeached? lolwut
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BlackScythe0
05/24/17 6:48:13 PM
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DirtBasedSoap posted...
slacker03150 posted...
Even if there is nothing to the Russia scandal, the evidence shows that he has tried to intimidate witnesses, silence journalists, and stop an investigation against him, so even if we end up with mike pence, I think impeachment would be fair at this point.

So if it turns out he's innocent he should still be impeached? lolwut


He would still be guilty of Obstruction of Justice.
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TheCyborgNinja
05/24/17 6:52:27 PM
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I think North America needs to redraw its borders. Just because something is or was a country doesn't mean it always has to be. Look at Yugoslavia. Great idea at the time, but eventually it just stopped working for everyone. Canada and the United States should just be carved up into a dozen new countries, averaging out various values and geographical factors.
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Kyuubi4269
05/24/17 7:09:04 PM
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DirtBasedSoap posted...
slacker03150 posted...
Even if there is nothing to the Russia scandal, the evidence shows that he has tried to intimidate witnesses, silence journalists, and stop an investigation against him, so even if we end up with mike pence, I think impeachment would be fair at this point.

So if it turns out he's innocent he should still be impeached? lolwut

Being innocent of murder wouldn't inherently make you innocent of battery, so why would it be different here?
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Conner4REAL
05/24/17 7:09:05 PM
#37:


slacker03150 posted...
Even if there is nothing to the Russia scandal, the evidence shows that he has tried to intimidate witnesses, silence journalists, and stop an investigation against him, so even if we end up with mike pence, I think impeachment would be fair at this point.


That's similar to Nixon and watergate.

It's unlikely Nixon had any knowledge of the break in prior to it, but rather than toss the actual people of his administration who were involved to be brought to justice he and the White House actively covered up and resisted attempts to investigate.

Even if trump had nothing to do with this or its frivolous the conduct after the fact is a disgrace that makes it a bigger issue.

Is it likely that Nixon and trump were directly inclvolved in something? Possibly- I would say the likely hood of trump more than Nixon because as much as a crook as Nixon was, he knew the political system and how to play the game. At that point trump seems like he micromanaged everything.

Which would be expected coming from someone who has always kept a tight hold on his business activities.
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Conner4REAL
05/24/17 7:13:10 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
DirtBasedSoap posted...
slacker03150 posted...
Even if there is nothing to the Russia scandal, the evidence shows that he has tried to intimidate witnesses, silence journalists, and stop an investigation against him, so even if we end up with mike pence, I think impeachment would be fair at this point.

So if it turns out he's innocent he should still be impeached? lolwut

Being innocent of murder wouldn't inherently make you innocent of battery, so why would it be different here?


You do realize that witness intimidation, hindering an investigation destroying evidence and any other list of crimes are actual crimes regardless of the underlying investigation right?

Like the dude who responded to you said- being innocent of murder doesn't make you innocent of battery. But I'll do one more- if you hinder a police investigation and intimidate witnesses (a very serious charge) and destroy potential evidence you can still be charged with that even if it turns out there is zero chance you commuted the underlying murder?

Even if the supposed murder victim Trina up alive you can and probably will be charged with the other serious offenses.
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JixHedgehog
05/25/17 2:08:11 AM
#39:


darkknight109 posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
JixHedgehog posted...
As of right now, no

Until someone can come up with some credible evidence that he broke a law he's fine


Obstruction of justice.

Based on what's on the table right now, an Obstruction cause likely would not stick. There's some circumstantial evidence, and a whole lot of hearsay floating around, but the concrete evidence is still pretty thin.

Be patient and let investigators do their work.


Yep, if there's something solid out there, they'll find it
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PimpMyRhydon
05/25/17 3:09:09 AM
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It'd be pretty hilarious if he was.
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Sensual_T_Rex
05/25/17 4:00:43 AM
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To all the people who are demonizing and belittling the president I have 1 question for you. What do you think his final boss form will be?
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slacker03150
05/25/17 4:42:51 AM
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Sensual_T_Rex posted...
To all the people who are demonizing and belittling the president I have 1 question for you. What do you think his final boss form will be?


Whoever is president next pardons them and he goes around doing rallies talking about how it was all a leftist conspiracy.
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Giant2005
05/25/17 4:52:15 AM
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No.
Even if it turned out that all of the rumors about Trump were true (which they almost certainly aren't), none of them are actually crimes - without a crime there can be no impeachment.
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Kyuubi4269
05/25/17 5:30:23 AM
#44:


Giant2005 posted...
No.
Even if it turned out that all of the rumors about Trump were true (which they almost certainly aren't), none of them are actually crimes - without a crime there can be no impeachment.

Ya, the FBI investigate petty rumors and silly tittle-tattle all the time, that's like their job.

Sensual_T_Rex posted...
To all the people who are demonizing and belittling the president I have 1 question for you. What do you think his final boss form will be?

Orange turns red, arms flail, finishing move is being dragged off stage by men in white coats.
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Mead
05/25/17 5:44:32 AM
#45:


Giant2005 posted...
No.
Even if it turned out that all of the rumors about Trump were true (which they almost certainly aren't), none of them are actually crimes - without a crime there can be no impeachment.


That actually isn't true. A president can be removed from office without committing any crime through impeachment.
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TheCyborgNinja
05/25/17 6:25:19 AM
#46:


Mead posted...
Giant2005 posted...
No.
Even if it turned out that all of the rumors about Trump were true (which they almost certainly aren't), none of them are actually crimes - without a crime there can be no impeachment.


That actually isn't true. A president can be removed from office without committing any crime through impeachment.

This. They can basically say "fuck it, he sucks" and off he goes...
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HornedLion
05/25/17 6:29:01 AM
#47:


Lol. Everyone is stuck on the Russian thing.

Don't get me wrong... I believe it holds water. And the obstruction charge is real and it all depends on who can debate it better.

BUT...

The real impeachable offense was 2 weeks ago and had nothing to do with obstruction, Comey, FBI, Russia, Tweets, none of that. It had to do when he ordered that attack. President CANNOT just attack countries WITHOUT the consent of Congress unless we have been attacked first. We're in peace time.

Now, we can argue that the republicans would've probably made it pass anyway but... that's not how it works. I can't assume that my swinger friend is probably gonna be fine with me banging his wife and do it before I ask him.
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MrZAP17
05/25/17 7:20:02 AM
#48:


HornedLion posted...
Lol. Everyone is stuck on the Russian thing.

Don't get me wrong... I believe it holds water. And the obstruction charge is real and it all depends on who can debate it better.

BUT...

The real impeachable offense was 2 weeks ago and had nothing to do with obstruction, Comey, FBI, Russia, Tweets, none of that. It had to do when he ordered that attack. President CANNOT just attack countries WITHOUT the consent of Congress unless we have been attacked first. We're in peace time.

Now, we can argue that the republicans would've probably made it pass anyway but... that's not how it works. I can't assume that my swinger friend is probably gonna be fine with me banging his wife and do it before I ask him.

This is also a good point.

So now we have
1. Emoluments violations
2. Illegal strike against a sovereign nation
3. Obstruction of justice

Also not impeachable under the circumstances, but he should probably be tried for sexual assault.

What else?
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Giant2005
05/25/17 8:01:14 AM
#49:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
Giant2005 posted...
No.
Even if it turned out that all of the rumors about Trump were true (which they almost certainly aren't), none of them are actually crimes - without a crime there can be no impeachment.

Ya, the FBI investigate petty rumors and silly tittle-tattle all the time, that's like their job.

It sounds like you are being sarcastic, but the sarcasm really is unnecessary considering your description of their actual job was flawless.
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gguirao
05/25/17 1:30:14 PM
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Yes, unfortunately, that will leave us with President Pence.
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BlackScythe0
05/25/17 5:42:41 PM
#51:


gguirao posted...
Yes, unfortunately, that will leave us with President Pence.


Depending on how things go he might get the boot too which would leave us with Ryan which is even more terrifying.
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