Board 8 > turbopuns mafia topic 2: these are energy puns

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Terra-enforcer posted...

And yet again you ignore the fact that's only HALF of my reasoning.

Okay, well, what is the other half? Just that he hasn't done as much as you'd like? That doesn't feel like the real motivation behind the vote, which is why I paid more attention to your comments regarding the votes on Ulti.

Terra-enforcer posted...

Not getting defensive, just explaining myself. Funny enough, getting defensive is just what Scare and pj said last game to try to get me lynched last game when I wasn't being defensive there either (just explaining my reasoning).

The "getting defensive" reasoning works even less here than in that game. Here you're the only one who's pushing for me. So I sure as hell have no reason to get "defensive" in order to convince one person (the same person who I already said is doing some pretty dumb things and doesn't even look all that town himself) that I'm town.

When I say you're getting defensive, what I really mean is that you're feeling the need to denigrate my comments in order to make them appear weaker. That suggests insecurity in your own position.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

When I say you're getting defensive, what I really mean is that you're feeling the need to denigrate my comments in order to make them appear weaker. That suggests insecurity in your own position.

I didn't make them appear weaker. They were pretty weak in general. Just as your reasoning for prematurely calling Nana and ben scum when they didn't even say much at all. As I've said before, it reads as you reading way too much into something that's not even there. Felt like you had to force more reasons to justify your already flimsy argument. And once more, getting defensive is still a pretty weak indicator in this case.
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Terra-enforcer posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

When I say you're getting defensive, what I really mean is that you're feeling the need to denigrate my comments in order to make them appear weaker. That suggests insecurity in your own position.

I didn't make them appear weaker. They were pretty weak in general. Just as your reasoning for prematurely calling Nana and ben scum when they didn't even say much at all. As I've said before, it reads as you reading way too much into something that's not even there. Felt like you had to force more reasons to justify your already flimsy argument. And once more, getting defensive is still a pretty weak indicator in this case.

I don't think I ever said Nana and Ben were scum, though, other than a post I disliked but was unable to support.
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But 'didn't say much at all'??? Nana and Ben have been two of the most prolific players.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

But 'didn't say much at all'??? Nana and Ben have been two of the most prolific players.

I mean they didn't say much at all that was worth incriminating them over. Not that distinction means much anyway.
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Terra-enforcer posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

But 'didn't say much at all'??? Nana and Ben have been two of the most prolific players.

I mean they didn't say much at all that was worth incriminating them over. Not that distinction means much anyway.

Oh, okay. That makes more sense. I wasn't incriminating them so that interpretation didn't occur to me.
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Good, the game slowed down for a bit. I wanted to get back into playing Season 1 of the Telltale Walking Dead game.
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Woah, the votes are reaaallly spread out.

The previous argument between Terra, Scept, and Mzero reaaallllly bores me. No offense to them, i just do not see a single morsel of juiciness in there. Making joke votes could be town, could be scum. Getting on trains could be towwwn, could be scuum. Seeing contradictions that arent there could be townnnn, could be scummmm. It's all just stuff I've gotten nothing substantial out of.

I really want PJ and Eaed to claim or something. I want the people who think Nana is scum to rethink their lives.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

MZero, I thought you were agreeing with my point.

Basically, I asked Brohan to explain himself. He goes "just read my posts", which I think is a ridiculous way to play mafia. I asked VI's opinion on Brohan's asking me to do that.

If someone asks a direct question, they should answer it intuitively instead of pulling the "just go read" defense. Do you think it's appropriate for someone to just tell people to read the game instead of explaining their thoughts? After all, Brohan has a vote on you.

Idk, Brohan explained his reason pretty well, and I think it's important to pay attention... so I think it's fine for him to say "go read my posts" because if you're not reading that's not good.

What was worse than that was asking VI what he thought of it seemingly out of nowhere. Why VI?
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Terra-enforcer posted...

VI's vote, sure. But MZero clearly tried to explain himself for jumping on the bandwagon, which is something I've literally seen scum do before. Not saying that alone incriminates him, but it adds to the reasons while he has nothing going for him really.

am I just not supposed to explain my vote? >_>

really not sure what you're going for with this. I mean at some point people are going to have to "bandwagon on a train" or no one would get lynched ever
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Brohan is kind of just there. His vote on you was good, vote on me was bad but I'm biased. I think he has been fine when he's around but it hasn't been a lot.

I like Sceptile just from last page, don't remember much from before. I thought it was interesting how he brought up the article he read about, because I do think that one of the easiest ways to create fake suspicion as scum is to say "oh he jumped on a train" because at some point someone is going to get votes because that's the game goes.
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Alright my turn! Ulti, what do you think of Terra and Nana?
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Are we really going to try to lynch Mzero day 1 again.

Also going to note the clock is ticking on pj.

Leafeon13N posted...

Are we really going to try to lynch Mzero day 1 again.

it's cause I was scum MVP two games ago in Mercs 4

the miz fear is real
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The Ben and Nana duo here is weirding me out a little. So Nana's first comment towards Ben was calling him likely scum:

Nanahara715 posted...

Man, I hate this line. I'm getting pulled away a lot and need to reread, but I'd be willing to gamble on Ben as scum

Which Ben lightly acknowledged later:
Nanahara715 posted...

I was just trying to ask why you think Gran is town. Because I hadnt seen town in his posts. It's not meant to insinuate he even has a town tell. I worded it cutsey for some reason

And Nana basically drops it immediately, saying later that he liked Ben's response. Meanwhile, Ben has been following Nana's lead pretty closely, to the point now of defending Nana in advance. Their behavior towards the role discussion was also odd, though I have already discussed that at length.

I think at least one of these two is probably scum. And my inclination is that it is most likely to be
##Unvote
##Vote: Ben

Ben, is there anyone at all who you have called scummy throughout the entire game? Because I've been digging through your posts and you've done nothing but say people are town or that you can't come to any firm conclusions. Are the ones you're not commenting on your scumbuddies? It's a little transparent if so, but it really looks like it to me.
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Also, your most recent post saying that you got literally nothing out of the argument with me, Terra, and MZero. How is that possible? We were making some fairly strong claims, I don't know how you can say that no one came out of it badly.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Terra

He made one of the classic scum style posts on the last page, which some people post as town but it's usually scum. His vote on me was pretty weak (basically repeating what Brohan said, a little hypocritical there) and I don't really understand why he voted me over pj. His attack on Sceptile in that post was also flimsy. He basically did the "throw 4 suspicions out there and vote one" thing scum does all the time.

When pressed about it, he said he wasn't making a big deal about it and could easily unvoted (backpedalling) and saying it was only half the reason he voted me, but originally made it sound more important than that.

Also I didn't like how he said he had town/scum death figured out and when pressed on it refused to explain why he thought death was town. Seemed pointless and probably buddying up to Death who I guess would be town in this scenario.

Feeling a little better about Ulti because he's participating now
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@Scept: Nope, no one has really stood out in doing anything i perceived as inherently scummy yet. But it's not exactly indicative of me as scum if I dont start calling people scum - for example I did plenty of that early last game by going after Mzero and others. The truth of the matter is that I only feel there is substantial logic behind the cases where I've said certain people are towny. A few of the people I feel worst about arent even around posting that much.

The person whose posts I've liked the least though is PJ, who reminds me of his scum play last game. He even said something along the lines of "I hate to go after Eaed, but he looks bad for blah blah", which was the exact same thing he said about IGCD last game. But it's still very weak reasons to kill him. I've been supporting him claiming though.

Defending Nana is imperative to winning the game to me. I think strongly he is town, so i will defend him to the end and continue to do so.

And as for the Terra, Mzero, Sceptile convo, I just didnt think anyone had arguments that were convincing, so I dont really agree with anyone's side in there. I acknowledge that sides are forming, and I guess that means something, but didnt seem worht mentioning since it's fairly apparent
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MZero11 posted...

##Unvote
##Vote: Terra

He made one of the classic scum style posts on the last page, which some people post as town but it's usually scum. His vote on me was pretty weak (basically repeating what Brohan said, a little hypocritical there) and I don't really understand why he voted me over pj. His attack on Sceptile in that post was also flimsy. He basically did the "throw 4 suspicions out there and vote one" thing scum does all the time.

When pressed about it, he said he wasn't making a big deal about it and could easily unvoted (backpedalling) and saying it was only half the reason he voted me, but originally made it sound more important than that.

Also I didn't like how he said he had town/scum death figured out and when pressed on it refused to explain why he thought death was town. Seemed pointless and probably buddying up to Death who I guess would be town in this scenario.

Feeling a little better about Ulti because he's participating now

Actually, I've gotta ask, what is a scum style post? One that goes on too long and covers a wide range of topics?
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MZero11 posted...

Also I didn't like how he said he had town/scum death figured out and when pressed on it refused to explain why he thought death was town.

And also he said "Not going to explain it right now". 100% of the time someone has ever said that, they do end up explaining later as promised. At least in my experience.
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##Vote: PJ

Vote towards PJ claiming
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benjamin3740 posted...

Actually, I've gotta ask, what is a scum style post? One that goes on too long and covers a wide range of topics?

No it's where they post like 4 weak suspicions and then vote one of them at the end, without really explaining what made that player scummier than the others. I don't know why but scum makes this kind of catch up post all the time. Kanz had a great one in Mercs 4 mafia
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Alright let's go.

I beat a strong player and then lost to a weak player. Fuck ryu
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MZero11 posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

VI's vote, sure. But MZero clearly tried to explain himself for jumping on the bandwagon, which is something I've literally seen scum do before. Not saying that alone incriminates him, but it adds to the reasons while he has nothing going for him really.

am I just not supposed to explain my vote? >_>

really not sure what you're going for with this. I mean at some point people are going to have to "bandwagon on a train" or no one would get lynched ever

Yeah, that's why if you're voting for pressure you do something about it. You don't just sit back and let everyone else do the work, or call it quits and say you bagged scum early on so your job is finished.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Terra is one of those people I literally always think is town because of how likeable he is.

Daawwww <3
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Current votals

pjbasis [2] - (Nana), (Terra), Ulti, Ben
MZero [2] - Brohan, Terra
Nana [1] - (eaed), (Doom), Doom
Sceptile [1] - Nana
leafeon [1] - (Doom), MetaKnight
Ben [1] - (eaed), Sceptile
Terra [1] - MZero
Ulti [0] - (VI), (Brohan), (MZero)
death [0] - (Sceptile), (VI)
eaed [0] - (Terra)
MetaKnight [0] - (eaed), (Gran)
Brohan [0] - (Terra), (MZero)
VI [0] - (eaed)

day ends in about 20 hours

goodnight!
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wait what the fuck was that mzero claim

that just came out of NOWHERE
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And people are voting him!

WOW! but it unfortunately looks like I'm setting up to vote my lynch rival!

This is amazing!
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oh btw VI I didn't get much of anything from Chris/red.

It was an awkward exchange I suppose.
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htaeD posted...

okay sleeping now, few last notes
Nana's logic doesnt seem like such a giant leap when you factor in that we already had one claimed backup

I dont like how Ben is so willing to back Nana up on this though
Nana should form his own explanations

if PJ doesnt show up tonight, burn him

feels weird
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MZero11 posted...

He made one of the classic scum style posts on the last page, which some people post as town but it's usually scum

Wanna elaborate on that instead of leaving the rest of the class hanging?

MZero11 posted...

His vote on me was pretty weak (basically repeating what Brohan said, a little hypocritical there) and I don't really understand why he voted me over pj.

I've explained this point a myriad of times already. Your vote felt weak, low effort. Felt as if you made a vote on what was hot without even looking at it much. Then you sat back and let everyone else do their business. You didn't do anything remarkable sense, except now you're finally talking once people point you out and you made a boring counter vote.

And Pj hasn't done enough for me to get a read on him. I already spoke about my thoughts on him so don't act as if I just ignored him outright.


MZero11 posted...

His attack on Sceptile in that post was also flimsy. He basically did the "throw 4 suspicions out there and vote one" thing scum does all the time.

Throw four suspicions? What? It's like you don't even have a good case against me so you're just making up shit. You are the only one I explicitly called out. And don't belittle my posts. I made multiple paragraphs of stating my reads on people. I didn't "throw" out anything. Stop acting like I just put a few names on the screen and called it a day. That would be something to call out. This isn't even close.

MZero11 posted...

but originally made it sound more important than that.

No I didn't. Just because you read something a certain way, that does not mean that's how it was intended to be read. I stated my two points against you without putting some ranking system to prove which takes priority over the other or anything like that.

MZero11 posted...

Also I didn't like how he said he had town/scum death figured out and when pressed on it refused to explain why he thought death was town. Seemed pointless and probably buddying up to Death who I guess would be town in this scenario.

Yeah no. That doesn't make much sense at all. And do you hear yourself? It would literally be fruitless for me to say what he did that made me think he were town that early. It'd be like trying to trap someone and telling them you know exactly where they're going to go. I wanted to wait and see before confirming my suspicions.

That's such a poor point to attempt to use against me and proves you're just grasping for straws. So me saying someone might be town makes me scum now? It's like you're not even trying.
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MZero11 posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

Hence why I said it looked like a bandwagon. Ulti barely had time to even do anything increminating and yet you jumped on him with some rather flimsy reasoning.

you mean the same reasoning everyone crucified pj for last game? >_>

Didn't get lynched actually! In fact I would say I rather successfully deflected that alleged crucifixion.
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MZero11 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Actually, I've gotta ask, what is a scum style post? One that goes on too long and covers a wide range of topics?

No it's where they post like 4 weak suspicions and then vote one of them at the end, without really explaining what made that player scummier than the others. I don't know why but scum makes this kind of catch up post all the time. Kanz had a great one in Mercs 4 mafia

Again, read the above. For one, you're once again trying to damn hard to grasp for something to support your flimsy argument if you're saying I didn't explain myself. Not even close to what you're referring to in the slightest.
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So no one thinks that MZero claim was weird?

Or did I miss that he already claimed it by that point
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It was.

But I think turbopuns designed this game to be unmetable so oh well.
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No such thing as unmetaable

I do feel bad for the inevitable 1 or 2 or so players that probably have normal roles just to fuck with us. Those will be rough claims

Thanks for not being up late at night(Not really that late, is everyone here EST but me?), guys.
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est boys represent

can someone remind me wha mzero claimed i really don't wanna go back

let me answer this before I catch up
VeryInsane posted...

Death what do you think of super power player Brohan

its been a while since I last saw him, he seems to be Brohan-y
he was never the most active I recall, but he's giving some token involvement
would like to see more from him, but I like him more than.. say.. PJ
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MysticBrohan posted...

can someone remind me wha mzero claimed i really don't wanna go back

Why don't you go back and read?

It was Backup Ninja, with or without a prior active ability
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Terra-enforcer posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

I don't see anything at all unusual about Goon or Mafia Vanilla on this board, except that there shouldn't be any in this game.

What makes you think that?

Well, I mean, being a game with no true Vanilla.
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Ben, is there anyone at all who you have called scummy throughout the entire game? Because I've been digging through your posts and you've done nothing but say people are town or that you can't come to any firm conclusions. Are the ones you're not commenting on your scumbuddies? It's a little transparent if so, but it really looks like it to me.

actually this could be a strike against Ben being scum
lord knows all he did in CC was bus his own teammates

feels weird

you know people used to give me shit for saying stuff like 'weird' and I can see why
so let me return the honor
PJ, what is weird?
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not saying Terra's won me over by buddying up to me or anything (I did get his reasons for not wanting to reveal the towntell)
but I find myself siding more with him than with Mzero in that big argument of them
at the very least Terra explains himself well

also if that was all PJ felt like commenting on in the end, those 3 posts, then I am more than disappointed
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I also find it funny that sceptile is using his own secret scumtells against Terra
feels like a petty quarrel between two bitter rivals
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