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benjamin3740
05/25/17 5:20:37 PM
#251:


VeryInsane posted...
Oh

That is a list alright

I'm basically summarizing my thoughts from the rest of the day and figuring out for myself who i want to lynch since I diont have a super strong "Lynch this guy this guy" scum read yet. Every person I listed as seeing town tells from, I did make a post about earlier in the game when i saw them.
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VeryInsane
05/25/17 5:22:05 PM
#252:


What are your thoughts on Chris/leaf or red or whatever people call him these days
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htaeD
05/25/17 5:22:47 PM
#253:


benjamin3740 posted...
htaeD posted...
I cant even recall why MK and Terra come into the mix
leaving aside calling those four confirmed

MK and Terra are strong town reads to me primarily from their posts. There's also Terra saying he's powerful role, which locks him into a non-backup claim and isnt a move I've seen from scum him. Also his response to me calling him town for it was excellent


I see, you're just misusing the word 'confirmed' then
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GranAures
05/25/17 5:23:49 PM
#254:


htaeD posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
htaeD posted...
I cant even recall why MK and Terra come into the mix
leaving aside calling those four confirmed

MK and Terra are strong town reads to me primarily from their posts. There's also Terra saying he's powerful role, which locks him into a non-backup claim and isnt a move I've seen from scum him. Also his response to me calling him town for it was excellent


I see, you're just misusing the word 'confirmed' then

Does anyone really use the word properly anymore?
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VeryInsane
05/25/17 5:24:03 PM
#255:


No
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benjamin3740
05/25/17 5:26:07 PM
#256:


My thoughts on Red are pretty decisive, since he's already labeled himself as having a weird role. His first post was that this game would be very interesting, and later he made a post saying he feels very sorry for the Town members that rolled normal roles, and that those claims would be brutal. So it's clear he has a weird role. Scum doesn't talk about this stuff out loud. Especially on the first post. If Scum had a weird role they would hide it.

So Leafeon is town unless his role claim ends up not being weird at all, which has been his persona this game
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htaeD
05/25/17 5:26:17 PM
#257:


and having checked all of Mzero
I can say he was one of the lesser actives, particularly on the first half where he just attacked Ulti a bit and argued a after his claim
he got a bit more active once he voted Terra, which seems less a countervote and more a response to his wall
but I cant rule the latter out
I did find Terra be the stronger of the two in that fight

but I dont find Mzero as egregiously nonpresent as say Eaed.. or even Chris
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htaeD
05/25/17 5:27:58 PM
#258:


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I almost wish I had the kind of trust Ben seems to have
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benjamin3740
05/25/17 5:28:26 PM
#259:


htaeD posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
htaeD posted...
I cant even recall why MK and Terra come into the mix
leaving aside calling those four confirmed

MK and Terra are strong town reads to me primarily from their posts. There's also Terra saying he's powerful role, which locks him into a non-backup claim and isnt a move I've seen from scum him. Also his response to me calling him town for it was excellent


I see, you're just misusing the word 'confirmed' then

But I'm literally using it right. Literally!

Jk. Yes I know I'm using it wrong, but I like being positive
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VeryInsane
05/25/17 5:29:58 PM
#260:


benjamin3740 posted...
My thoughts on Red are pretty decisive, since he's already labeled himself as having a weird role. His first post was that this game would be very interesting, and later he made a post saying he feels very sorry for the Town members that rolled normal roles, and that those claims would be brutal. So it's clear he has a weird role. Scum doesn't talk about this stuff out loud. Especially on the first post. If Scum had a weird role they would hide it.

So Leafeon is town unless his role claim ends up not being weird at all, which has been his persona this game


I disagree. I feel like it's extremely easy to hide a weird role if you can make it appear incredibly pro town

There was a game where some people could talk at night (a limited number) and as scum I could converse with people at night and let them share their thoughts to the town. It seemed pro Town, but I was actually scum with that ability.
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pjbasis
05/25/17 5:33:36 PM
#261:


##Vote:Mzero

Guess I'll put my 💰 where my mouth is then.

Why did you claim your role bro?
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MysticBrohan
05/25/17 5:37:58 PM
#262:


well this sucks
gotta go at like 6 and can't make deadline
think i'm comfortable with where my vote is tho, unless someone wows me with a convincing argument in the next 20 min
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Sceptilesolar
05/25/17 5:39:01 PM
#263:


Ben, you can't really expect so many people to be Town so easily. If this role meta of yours even has one weakness, almost your whole analysis falls apart.
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htaeD
05/25/17 5:39:35 PM
#264:


MZero [3] - Brohan, Terra, pjbasis
pjbasis [2] - (Nana), (Terra), Ulti, Ben
Ben [2] - (eaed), Sceptile, eaed
Sceptile [2] - Nana, Gran
death [1] - (Sceptile), (VI), Doom
Terra [1] - MZero
Nana [0] - (eaed), (Doom), (Doom), (eaed)
leafeon [0] - (Doom), (MetaKnight)
Ulti [0] - (VI), (Brohan), (MZero)
eaed [0] - (Terra)
MetaKnight [0] - (eaed), (Gran)
Brohan [0] - (Terra), (MZero), (MetaKnight)
VI [0] - (eaed)

I cant picture scumBen from CC being the way he is now
and I dont feel strongly about any of these directions
or at least not as much as say

##Vote: Eaed

what does everyone else think about Eaed?
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Sceptilesolar
05/25/17 5:42:47 PM
#265:


Eaed has done a decent job of sliding under the radar. I don't like that much. He might be the least central player in the game.
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Nanahara715
05/25/17 5:45:09 PM
#266:


I feel like I'm dying IRL.

I still want to lynch Sceptile. Every post since the beginning of the day towards me has been trying to [even preemptively] discredit my role. Some of the mental gymnastics are ridiculous.

I like Ben. Tbqh he's reminding me more of CHrystal Chronicles mafia Ben than previous game's Ben.

No one will convince me Gran wasn't softclaiming and I buy him as town 100%.

Don't like MZero's claim or game but it makes me feel not fuzzy lynching the same guy D1 back to back
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Sceptilesolar
05/25/17 5:45:11 PM
#267:


To clarify, by central I mean that he hasn't become a subject of or participant in a big argument, as I recall. That's a bad place to be.
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htaeD
05/25/17 5:49:41 PM
#268:


uhm.. are you okay, Nana?

Don't like MZero's claim or game but it makes me feel not fuzzy lynching the same guy D1 back to back

this shouldnt be a reason to do anything
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htaeD
05/25/17 5:51:29 PM
#269:


That said, I did momentarily forget Mzero was the one who got lynched for his claim in CC on day1, basically

which makes me unsure as to why he'd claim so soon here regardless of his alignment
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MysticBrohan
05/25/17 5:52:43 PM
#270:


Nanahara715 posted...
I feel like I'm dying IRL.

I still want to lynch Sceptile. Every post since the beginning of the day towards me has been trying to [even preemptively] discredit my role. Some of the mental gymnastics are ridiculous.

I like Ben. Tbqh he's reminding me more of CHrystal Chronicles mafia Ben than previous game's Ben.

No one will convince me Gran wasn't softclaiming and I buy him as town 100%.

Don't like MZero's claim or game but it makes me feel not fuzzy lynching the same guy D1 back to back


doesnt look like mental gymnastics to me, it all seems reasonable

what softclaiming are you referring to

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red13n
05/25/17 5:53:36 PM
#271:


Lets not lynch Mzero for claiming day 1 again guys.

I actually really want to lynch that Aures guy, hes been around, semi-active at a few points, but none of his posts have really amounted to anything.

Chris is probably scum at this point but looking at the player list I'm pretty sure I couldn't convince you guys to lynch him and it would just fuck the day hard.

I'm always up for the inactive PJ lynch as well of course.
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htaeD
05/25/17 5:54:16 PM
#272:


...Aures?
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MysticBrohan
05/25/17 5:55:06 PM
#273:


i hate this "again" bullshit
can we just look at games individually
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red13n
05/25/17 5:56:38 PM
#274:


htaeD posted...
...Aures?


full name GranAures.

The second part of the name is easier for me to remember.
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htaeD
05/25/17 5:57:28 PM
#275:


red isnt even the first to say that 'again' thing

I dont even want to lynch Mzero and I find it questionable play at best
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htaeD
05/25/17 5:57:45 PM
#276:


also huh
Gran is literally more memorable to me
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red13n
05/25/17 5:57:59 PM
#277:


MysticBrohan posted...
i hate this "again" bullshit
can we just look at games individually


oh brohan...
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Nanahara715
05/25/17 5:58:56 PM
#278:


htaeD posted...
uhm.. are you okay, Nana?

Don't like MZero's claim or game but it makes me feel not fuzzy lynching the same guy D1 back to back

this shouldnt be a reason to do anything


I've been working 15 hour days since last Monday including Saturday so I'm physically exhausted and mentally drained and not as up to date in the game as I would like to be. Finally finishing startup so will be back to normal after finishing tonight plus a long eeekend to recover. Gloria Gaynor.

I agree and if it comes down to it, I could lynch MZero. His thought that maybe town has backup scum roles and vice versa seems like it could be a town thought, especially because we [rather, I] know that's not true.
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Sceptilesolar
05/25/17 6:00:01 PM
#279:


Nanahara715 posted...
I feel like I'm dying IRL.

I still want to lynch Sceptile. Every post since the beginning of the day towards me has been trying to [even preemptively] discredit my role. Some of the mental gymnastics are ridiculous.

I like Ben. Tbqh he's reminding me more of CHrystal Chronicles mafia Ben than previous game's Ben.

No one will convince me Gran wasn't softclaiming and I buy him as town 100%.

Don't like MZero's claim or game but it makes me feel not fuzzy lynching the same guy D1 back to back


Your argument towards me is so weak. I don't trust anyone, no matter how they claim, and I worry that the more role meta gets thrown around, the more likely we are to trap ourselves with our own logic. I don't want to give scum a hole to hide in. I don't like it when you and Ben want to give them that hole.
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Nanahara715
05/25/17 6:03:00 PM
#280:


Sceptilesolar posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
I feel like I'm dying IRL.

I still want to lynch Sceptile. Every post since the beginning of the day towards me has been trying to [even preemptively] discredit my role. Some of the mental gymnastics are ridiculous.

I like Ben. Tbqh he's reminding me more of CHrystal Chronicles mafia Ben than previous game's Ben.

No one will convince me Gran wasn't softclaiming and I buy him as town 100%.

Don't like MZero's claim or game but it makes me feel not fuzzy lynching the same guy D1 back to back


Your argument towards me is so weak. I don't trust anyone, no matter how they claim, and I worry that the more role meta gets thrown around, the more likely we are to trap ourselves with our own logic. I don't want to give scum a hole to hide in. I don't like it when you and Ben want to give them that hole.


What hole?
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Sceptilesolar
05/25/17 6:03:22 PM
#281:


Nanahara715 posted...
htaeD posted...
uhm.. are you okay, Nana?

Don't like MZero's claim or game but it makes me feel not fuzzy lynching the same guy D1 back to back

this shouldnt be a reason to do anything


I've been working 15 hour days since last Monday including Saturday so I'm physically exhausted and mentally drained and not as up to date in the game as I would like to be. Finally finishing startup so will be back to normal after finishing tonight plus a long eeekend to recover. Gloria Gaynor.

I agree and if it comes down to it, I could lynch MZero. His thought that maybe town has backup scum roles and vice versa seems like it could be a town thought, especially because we [rather, I] know that's not true.


I think something is mixed up here... Do you mean that MZero's thought could be a scum thought? I don't agree with that, I think it is a neutral position to take. And otherwise not sure why you would want to lynch him for a town thought.
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benjamin3740
05/25/17 6:04:13 PM
#282:


VeryInsane posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
My thoughts on Red are pretty decisive, since he's already labeled himself as having a weird role. His first post was that this game would be very interesting, and later he made a post saying he feels very sorry for the Town members that rolled normal roles, and that those claims would be brutal. So it's clear he has a weird role. Scum doesn't talk about this stuff out loud. Especially on the first post. If Scum had a weird role they would hide it.

So Leafeon is town unless his role claim ends up not being weird at all, which has been his persona this game


I disagree. I feel like it's extremely easy to hide a weird role if you can make it appear incredibly pro town

There was a game where some people could talk at night (a limited number) and as scum I could converse with people at night and let them share their thoughts to the town. It seemed pro Town, but I was actually scum with that ability.

That's true, but Red hasnt even been trying to make it seem pro town. In fact I'm concerned it's not entirely pro-town, due to his interesting comment. All he has said is that it was a weird role, not attempting to trick anyone into thinking he;s town. That;s why i feel it's honest
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Sceptilesolar
05/25/17 6:04:20 PM
#283:


Nanahara715 posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
I feel like I'm dying IRL.

I still want to lynch Sceptile. Every post since the beginning of the day towards me has been trying to [even preemptively] discredit my role. Some of the mental gymnastics are ridiculous.

I like Ben. Tbqh he's reminding me more of CHrystal Chronicles mafia Ben than previous game's Ben.

No one will convince me Gran wasn't softclaiming and I buy him as town 100%.

Don't like MZero's claim or game but it makes me feel not fuzzy lynching the same guy D1 back to back


Your argument towards me is so weak. I don't trust anyone, no matter how they claim, and I worry that the more role meta gets thrown around, the more likely we are to trap ourselves with our own logic. I don't want to give scum a hole to hide in. I don't like it when you and Ben want to give them that hole.


What hole?


That scum knew that backups were what to claim and someone was bringing it up early on deliberately.
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DoomTheGyarados
05/25/17 6:04:36 PM
#284:


Has anyone even cared about my death observation. I try to be a gentler, nicer Chris and this is what happens. People wonder why I am such a dick in mafia sometimes.
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Nanahara715
05/25/17 6:05:53 PM
#285:


Sceptilesolar posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
htaeD posted...
uhm.. are you okay, Nana?

Don't like MZero's claim or game but it makes me feel not fuzzy lynching the same guy D1 back to back

this shouldnt be a reason to do anything


I've been working 15 hour days since last Monday including Saturday so I'm physically exhausted and mentally drained and not as up to date in the game as I would like to be. Finally finishing startup so will be back to normal after finishing tonight plus a long eeekend to recover. Gloria Gaynor.

I agree and if it comes down to it, I could lynch MZero. His thought that maybe town has backup scum roles and vice versa seems like it could be a town thought, especially because we [rather, I] know that's not true.


I think something is mixed up here... Do you mean that MZero's thought could be a scum thought? I don't agree with that, I think it is a neutral position to take. And otherwise not sure why you would want to lynch him for a town thought.


"Town though" autocorrected to "a town thought."
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benjamin3740
05/25/17 6:07:01 PM
#286:


What do people think about Mzero besides his claim? Which could go either way imo, and is NOT worth lynching him over

Still dunno if I wanna go for Pj or death. Prolly death
##Unvote

##Vote: Death

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Nanahara715
05/25/17 6:07:36 PM
#287:


Sceptilesolar posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
I feel like I'm dying IRL.

I still want to lynch Sceptile. Every post since the beginning of the day towards me has been trying to [even preemptively] discredit my role. Some of the mental gymnastics are ridiculous.

I like Ben. Tbqh he's reminding me more of CHrystal Chronicles mafia Ben than previous game's Ben.

No one will convince me Gran wasn't softclaiming and I buy him as town 100%.

Don't like MZero's claim or game but it makes me feel not fuzzy lynching the same guy D1 back to back


Your argument towards me is so weak. I don't trust anyone, no matter how they claim, and I worry that the more role meta gets thrown around, the more likely we are to trap ourselves with our own logic. I don't want to give scum a hole to hide in. I don't like it when you and Ben want to give them that hole.


What hole?


That scum knew that backups were what to claim and someone was bringing it up early on deliberately.


So your argument is that Ben and I knew that backups were town vanillas because we are scum and brought it up early to appear town?
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benjamin3740
05/25/17 6:07:59 PM
#288:


Sceptilesolar posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
I feel like I'm dying IRL.

I still want to lynch Sceptile. Every post since the beginning of the day towards me has been trying to [even preemptively] discredit my role. Some of the mental gymnastics are ridiculous.

I like Ben. Tbqh he's reminding me more of CHrystal Chronicles mafia Ben than previous game's Ben.

No one will convince me Gran wasn't softclaiming and I buy him as town 100%.

Don't like MZero's claim or game but it makes me feel not fuzzy lynching the same guy D1 back to back


Your argument towards me is so weak. I don't trust anyone, no matter how they claim, and I worry that the more role meta gets thrown around, the more likely we are to trap ourselves with our own logic. I don't want to give scum a hole to hide in. I don't like it when you and Ben want to give them that hole.


What hole?


That scum knew that backups were what to claim and someone was bringing it up early on deliberately.

I thought that's the idea you proposed to explain why Nana is scum??
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htaeD
05/25/17 6:08:48 PM
#289:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Has anyone even cared about my death observation. I try to be a gentler, nicer Chris and this is what happens. People wonder why I am such a dick in mafia sometimes.


you didnt even care to respond to me

allthough I will grant you that everyone seems to be ignoring you
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htaeD
05/25/17 6:09:46 PM
#290:


Nanahara715 posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
I feel like I'm dying IRL.

I still want to lynch Sceptile. Every post since the beginning of the day towards me has been trying to [even preemptively] discredit my role. Some of the mental gymnastics are ridiculous.

I like Ben. Tbqh he's reminding me more of CHrystal Chronicles mafia Ben than previous game's Ben.

No one will convince me Gran wasn't softclaiming and I buy him as town 100%.

Don't like MZero's claim or game but it makes me feel not fuzzy lynching the same guy D1 back to back


Your argument towards me is so weak. I don't trust anyone, no matter how they claim, and I worry that the more role meta gets thrown around, the more likely we are to trap ourselves with our own logic. I don't want to give scum a hole to hide in. I don't like it when you and Ben want to give them that hole.


What hole?


That scum knew that backups were what to claim and someone was bringing it up early on deliberately.


So your argument is that Ben and I knew that backups were town vanillas because we are scum and brought it up early to appear town?


playing devils advocate here
in Bens case it clearly is something he believes accrues townpoints
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htaeD
05/25/17 6:10:27 PM
#291:


also not sure what to make of Ben waiting til Chris shows up to make his move against me
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benjamin3740
05/25/17 6:11:46 PM
#292:


htaeD posted...
also not sure what to make of Ben waiting til Chris shows up to make his move against me

I made my vote on you before I saw his post
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htaeD
05/25/17 6:12:58 PM
#293:


you didnt look at the topic for 2+ minutes?

okay, plausible

but why wait til now to change?
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DoomTheGyarados
05/25/17 6:13:00 PM
#294:


Ben is a peach. Also requote death. I am on mobile.
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Leafeon13N
05/25/17 6:14:13 PM
#295:


Chris is half-heartedly trying to murder you, death.
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htaeD
05/25/17 6:14:51 PM
#296:


htaeD posted...
So anyway why this is a scum post. Death is, and I know I've said this before, a sneaky good player. He has a good mind and when he is trying to problem solve he asks some good questions to try to figure out the game.

VI was close when he said this was a filler question as it is PRETTY OBVIOUS why anyone would say Red and I are strong mafia players, so it is already a bit silly how a town death would roll up and think to ask that question. But then he goes one scum step further by making the question even more pointless. Like I think he realized how silly the question was so he tried to defend himself in advance 'oh yeah I could GUESS, but I want to read your response anyway." I can almost see Death shying away from the impact in advance. He got defensive over his question before he even hit post message.

Can we kill death now that'd be appreciated.


I explained this before, there was just something that immediately bugged me about PJ's post and that question was the first thing that popped up in my head
I just wanted a response out of him
in hindsight, I realized I should have asked him instead something to the effect of why it mattered that Red and Chris were strong players

either way it sounded like an excuse for PJ to dodge doing some actual work/give insight

and I am surprised people still dont realize how often I secondguess myself

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benjamin3740
05/25/17 6:15:45 PM
#297:


htaeD posted...
you didnt look at the topic for 2+ minutes?

okay, plausible

but why wait til now to change?

Yeah I was reading people's posts about Mzero, which led into making that post.

Because PJ wont claim, so maybe you will. I think it's very possible you're both scum too.
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GranAures
05/25/17 6:15:49 PM
#298:


htaeD posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
I feel like I'm dying IRL.

I still want to lynch Sceptile. Every post since the beginning of the day towards me has been trying to [even preemptively] discredit my role. Some of the mental gymnastics are ridiculous.

I like Ben. Tbqh he's reminding me more of CHrystal Chronicles mafia Ben than previous game's Ben.

No one will convince me Gran wasn't softclaiming and I buy him as town 100%.

Don't like MZero's claim or game but it makes me feel not fuzzy lynching the same guy D1 back to back


Your argument towards me is so weak. I don't trust anyone, no matter how they claim, and I worry that the more role meta gets thrown around, the more likely we are to trap ourselves with our own logic. I don't want to give scum a hole to hide in. I don't like it when you and Ben want to give them that hole.


What hole?


That scum knew that backups were what to claim and someone was bringing it up early on deliberately.


So your argument is that Ben and I knew that backups were town vanillas because we are scum and brought it up early to appear town?


playing devils advocate here
in Bens case it clearly is something he believes accrues townpoints

It would also directly imply that scum was given info about the setup for free that town would not be immediately privy to.
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htaeD
05/25/17 6:16:13 PM
#299:


Leafeon13N posted...
Chris is half-heartedly trying to murder you, death.


I can tell

Chris let me also ask you if you have any other reads
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htaeD
05/25/17 6:17:54 PM
#300:


benjamin3740 posted...
htaeD posted...
you didnt look at the topic for 2+ minutes?

okay, plausible

but why wait til now to change?

Yeah I was reading people's posts about Mzero, which led into making that post.

Because PJ wont claim, so maybe you will. I think it's very possible you're both scum too.


Mzero led to this?
I need more details

also you will be disappointed then, I dont plan on claiming
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