Board 8 > turbopuns mafia topic 2: these are energy puns

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Sceptilesolar posted...

Nana's post doesn't resolve my doubts about him. We also have to consider the possibility that the host just told scum that they could clarify backup X and my whole attempt to hide info was pointless anyway. That's why I'm really skeptical of attempts to call people confirmed because they said the backup thing first.

Having a big trap in possible claims seems like it would be awful game design anyway.

So you want us to consider that puns gave scum team information about roles town will not have therefore severely hinder town's ability to bluff?

Because that is what I just read.
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well someone suggested that scum would have backups of their own, which seems like a possible way to inform scum

since they'd need 'bluffs' more than town
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Nana is like for sure town
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htaeD posted...

well someone suggested that scum would have backups of their own, which seems like a possible way to inform scum

since they'd need 'bluffs' more than town

That was Mzero. And that makes more sense than "Just claim Backup X as a "vanilla" claim"
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htaeD posted...

well someone suggested that scum would have backups of their own, which seems like a possible way to inform scum

since they'd need 'bluffs' more than town

I suggested this.
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I was mafia two games in a row. I won the first game and then forced red's hand to kill me at night because I deflected a lynch at the last second.
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GranAures posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

Nana's post doesn't resolve my doubts about him. We also have to consider the possibility that the host just told scum that they could clarify backup X and my whole attempt to hide info was pointless anyway. That's why I'm really skeptical of attempts to call people confirmed because they said the backup thing first.

Having a big trap in possible claims seems like it would be awful game design anyway.

So you want us to consider that puns gave scum team information about roles town will not have therefore severely hinder town's ability to bluff?

Because that is what I just read.

Town's ability to bluff means less than nothing to me so not seeing a problem here.
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Oh that was to Chris, for why everyone wants to kill me so much.
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GranAures posted...

htaeD posted...

well someone suggested that scum would have backups of their own, which seems like a possible way to inform scum

since they'd need 'bluffs' more than town

That was Mzero. And that makes more sense than "Just claim Backup X as a "vanilla" claim"

I mean just giving scum "town roles" covers the need to fake claim. It is there for more likely that Nana would be Mafia Backup EGG than Mafia ________ that was told to claim Backup EGG for "vanilla"
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Hm maybe I'm looking at the game the wrong way

What do people think of

Sceptile
Terra
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I'm wondering if you asked about other people this much tbh
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Sceptilesolar posted...

GranAures posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

Nana's post doesn't resolve my doubts about him. We also have to consider the possibility that the host just told scum that they could clarify backup X and my whole attempt to hide info was pointless anyway. That's why I'm really skeptical of attempts to call people confirmed because they said the backup thing first.

Having a big trap in possible claims seems like it would be awful game design anyway.

So you want us to consider that puns gave scum team information about roles town will not have therefore severely hinder town's ability to bluff?

Because that is what I just read.

Town's ability to bluff means less than nothing to me so not seeing a problem here.

Cool, so you default to convoluted reasoning yo def3nd your stance.

From personal experience, I've only seen such plays from scum.
##Vote: Sceptile
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It's how I get a feel for the game

Like I noticed they post but know nothing about the content. Warning signs? Maybe.

Actually I remember saying the same thing about Terra last game but Sceptile is mildly concerning
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I literally do not understand what you just said, so I must conclude you have gone temporarily insane.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Guys is Ben the new me. (Not that I can claim to be great) but this is the third game I have seen him in and the last time I played with him he was scum too. I just read all of topic one and the little bit of topic two and I have more notes on him than anyone else in here.

-He opens the game asking for a mass claim because there are no vanillas. I can understand that this is probably a joke (and he will probably say that he was joking) but this is fishing just as much as anyone else.
-Metagames on Red saying "interesting" in his first post. Feels like such a weird thing to consider someone town.
-"banking a bit on Meta Kane" this feels blah.
-Says I jumped off of him too fast for restating things he already said. I don't recall him saying any of those feelings he was having.
-Defends Nana about the backup stuff and I say NO. Nana seems to have too much info about the backup scenario. In fact, his die hard defending of Nana makes me irked some more.
-He just feels too much like he was in Chrono Cross. Active but not really doing that much

With all of that being said I am going back to Nana because I don't feel like anyone is going after Ben today.

##Vote: Nana

I feel like he has too much information especially with this backup nonsense. I am do not want to meta anymore than this though. Also, he said something that rubbed me the wrong way because he accused Sceptile of fishing and if Sceptile was fishing (which I didn't see) then what was Ben doing when he said we should Mass Claim.

Other things that I want to talk about. I feel TOWN about Ulti despite all the shit that is surrounding him. He is just such a toxic personality sometimes that it takes away from the fact that he can be a good Mafia player, or at least I used to think he was good back when everyone played. I don't like how MZero jumped on that train. Brohan on the other hand I remember liking his original logic and I love his statement about not focusing on past game bullshit.

I really like Meta_Knight, I cannot remember a first time player that I liked this much.

One other thing that was weird to me was the way Chris kind of overreacted to Red talking about him. It felt like a countervote without Red actually voting for Chris.

I hate PJ lol. The "I'm not backup" statement just drives me up a wall.

Town
Ulti
VI
Meta Knight

Scum
Ben
Nana
Mzero

Everyone else is kind of in the middle for me. I gotta take lunch. I'll be back later.

-Wasnt joking about the mass claim. Since there's no vanillas it would have been nice to do before any information was out there. Maybe super reckless, but that;s how I like doing things. Once Nana came out, the mass claim is pointless, so I dont care anymore
-It was essentially a roleclaim, so I find it pretty important to focus on.
- The things I restated were that I liked Leafeon, Meta Knight, Nana and Doom as Town, which I had stated in earlier posts, and gave much extensive reasons for in earlier posts
- Everyone says he has too much info, but what does that mean? Keep in mind that I followed Nana's logic (eventually), which required an extra step of assuming Nana's intentions, so do i have inside info too? I'm defending Nana because I think he's as close to confirmed town as we have.
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VeryInsane posted...

Hm maybe I'm looking at the game the wrong way

What do people think of

Sceptile
Terra

coming around to sceptile. since his interactions come off as carefree to me
and I already like Terra well enough,hes put up decent defenses against Mzero and the like
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Sceptilesolar posted...

I literally do not understand what you just said, so I must conclude you have gone temporarily insane.

Nobody does

(Oh you may be talking about someone else)
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Death are there players you don't like

I feel like you've called everyone Town to some degree
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MZero11 posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

I will add that I'm not sure I buy Backup Tracker. Depending on the absolute quantity of scanning, tracker is innoculous enough that you could reasonably have a tracker and a backup tracker in a game this size.

It is NOT reasonable for there to be an actual ______ and for me to simultaneously be a backup _______.

I will certainly say that "Tracker", "Backup Tracker", "________", and "Backup _______" certainly cannot coexist.

I wonder if the backups and regulars are opposite alignments. I'm backup Ninja which is almost always a scum role, so my theory is that Ulti is actually scum backup tracker and there is a town tracker. I think they have to have some kind of tracker/watcher if I can become ninja, so it would make sense if they also inherit it. I also want this to be true because I think it's a neat idea!

Was this MZero's first time claiming this?
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VI: Do you guys think I can push for a mislynch on Sceptile while seeming reasonable?
Death: Yes I am also scum

Suddenly getting that impression.
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VeryInsane posted...

Death are there players you don't like

I feel like you've called everyone Town to some degree

Ive been noticing that myself actually
heck I even thought PJ had to be town for his gutsiness, but that feeling has largely been replaced with distrust now, so he could be scum
I dont really like Eaed either, for aforementioned reasons and the general fact that he's been skating by

I dont remember much from Chris either, need to look into that
(he seemed largely unmotivated to get people to look at me his supposed suspect)
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pjbasis posted...

Was this MZero's first time claiming this?

yes
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Current votals

pjbasis [2] - (Nana), (Terra), Ulti, Ben
MZero [2] - Brohan, Terra
Nana [1] - (eaed), (Doom), (Doom), eaed
Sceptile [1] - Nana
leafeon [0] - (Doom), (MetaKnight)
Ben [1] - (eaed), Sceptile
Terra [1] - MZero
Ulti [0] - (VI), (Brohan), (MZero)
death [1] - (Sceptile), (VI), Doom
eaed [0] - (Terra)
MetaKnight [0] - (eaed), (Gran)
Brohan [0] - (Terra), (MZero), MetaKnight
VI [0] - (eaed)

day ends in about 6.7 hours

PS: don't expect me to reorder votals on phone.
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It's not about the concept of Nana being backup that makes him town, it's how he played it off. Even if he is Scum Backup ___, there was a clear progression of thought that I could follow and see in his posts. He thought Gran was town because he thought Gran was backup like him. Makes perfect sense to me and seems more like a Town's behavior than scum behavior. Plus you have to take extra leaps in game meta to call him scum.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

VI: Do you guys think I can push for a mislynch on Sceptile while seeming reasonable?
Death: Yes I am also scum

Suddenly getting that impression.

eh what?
oh you misread me
carefree is supposed to be a good thing
as in you dont care how your posts look.. and (if you dont mind me saying), you seemingly acted petty towards Terra, which looked like genuine town frustration
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Lolo_Guru posted...

Current votals

pjbasis [2] - (Nana), (Terra), Ulti, Ben
MZero [2] - Brohan, Terra
Nana [1] - (eaed), (Doom), (Doom), eaed
Sceptile [1] - Nana
leafeon [0] - (Doom), (MetaKnight)
Ben [1] - (eaed), Sceptile
Terra [1] - MZero
Ulti [0] - (VI), (Brohan), (MZero)
death [1] - (Sceptile), (VI), Doom
eaed [0] - (Terra)
MetaKnight [0] - (eaed), (Gran)
Brohan [0] - (Terra), (MZero), MetaKnight
VI [0] - (eaed)

day ends in about 6.7 hours

PS: don't expect me to reorder votals on phone.

I,m voting Sceptile @Lolo_Guru
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benjamin3740 posted...

It's not about the concept of Nana being backup that makes him town, it's how he played it off. Even if he is Scum Backup ___, there was a clear progression of thought that I could follow and see in his posts. He thought Gran was town because he thought Gran was backup like him. Makes perfect sense to me and seems more like a Town's behavior than scum behavior. Plus you have to take extra leaps in game meta to call him scum.

You do know this is contradictory, right? You're using the role meta to call him town, I used role meta to call him scum. It's the exact same.
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VeryInsane posted...

Ben currently has more votes than Nana!

Though I'm not sold on either being scum (I think Nana looks slightly worse and I expect way better from him than a silly amount of role meta but whatever)

At the time, Nana was higher in the votals than Ben and considering that Nana was also a person I thought was scum I am okay with it.

VeryInsane posted...

Also eaed why do you think I am town (or Ulti)

I believe Ulti's claim plus. Even though he rampaged a little bit here, as scum he is going to be much more intense.
VI the more I think about it you're probably a lean but the way that you were kind directing town, despite the over confidence on Ulti, made me feel like you were town.

htaeD posted...

Eead, you of all people should know Ben would never stick his neck out for a fellow scummate

This is a good point, doesn't make me like Ben anymore though.

##Unvote
##Vote: Ben

I don't know if I buy Nana's claim but I'll switch to Ben because he is my number one target.
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Also I am more than willing to move to Death. Death, Eaed, and PJ seem to be getting mentioned a lotttt as scum. Actually the one in there I want to lynch the least now is Eaed, because everyone states the same reason - "He jumped around with his votes a lot". Which is imo a null tell unless you know his playstyle, and no one seems to be giving much insight on it
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Lolo_Guru posted...

Current votals

pjbasis [2] - (Nana), (Terra), Ulti, Ben
MZero [2] - Brohan, Terra
Nana [0] - (eaed), (Doom), (Doom), (eaed)
Sceptile [2] - Nana, Gran
leafeon [0] - (Doom), (MetaKnight)
Ben [2] - (eaed), Sceptile, eaed
Terra [1] - MZero
Ulti [0] - (VI), (Brohan), (MZero)
death [1] - (Sceptile), (VI), Doom
eaed [0] - (Terra)
MetaKnight [0] - (eaed), (Gran)
Brohan [0] - (Terra), (MZero), MetaKnight
VI [0] - (eaed)

day ends in about 6.7 hours

PS: don't expect me to reorder votals on phone.

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Sceptilesolar posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

It's not about the concept of Nana being backup that makes him town, it's how he played it off. Even if he is Scum Backup ___, there was a clear progression of thought that I could follow and see in his posts. He thought Gran was town because he thought Gran was backup like him. Makes perfect sense to me and seems more like a Town's behavior than scum behavior. Plus you have to take extra leaps in game meta to call him scum.

You do know this is contradictory, right? You're using the role meta to call him town, I used role meta to call him scum. It's the exact same.

I'm not using role meta, i'm using his behavior and how it lines up with his claim. At least that;s how I see it
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htaeD posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

VI: Do you guys think I can push for a mislynch on Sceptile while seeming reasonable?
Death: Yes I am also scum

Suddenly getting that impression.

eh what?
oh you misread me
carefree is supposed to be a good thing
as in you dont care how your posts look.. and (if you dont mind me saying), you seemingly acted petty towards Terra, which looked like genuine town frustration

Oh. I don't tend to consider carefree as a positive quality so that did not jump out of me.

Just so everyone is aware, I consider VI an excellent scum player who I have never been able to read, and thus would remain wary of him even though his points are good.
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that said, Eaed really does jump around with his votes a lot >.>

I've also heard like 3 instances of "This is a good reason Ben might be town, but still" from Eaed
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Sceptilesolar posted...

I literally do not understand what you just said, so I must conclude you have gone temporarily insane.

Which is more likely:
Nana can be Mafia ________ fake claiming Backup EBG because puns said EBG wasn't in the game

Or

Nana can be Mafia Backup EBG
?

If it is statement 2, why do you default to statement 1?
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I..
wha..

that was the opposite of what I was thinking about Ben

so what does that mean for your stance against Nana? Eaed?
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benjamin3740 posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

It's not about the concept of Nana being backup that makes him town, it's how he played it off. Even if he is Scum Backup ___, there was a clear progression of thought that I could follow and see in his posts. He thought Gran was town because he thought Gran was backup like him. Makes perfect sense to me and seems more like a Town's behavior than scum behavior. Plus you have to take extra leaps in game meta to call him scum.

You do know this is contradictory, right? You're using the role meta to call him town, I used role meta to call him scum. It's the exact same.

I'm not using role meta, i'm using his behavior and how it lines up with his claim. At least that;s how I see it

Either way I feel like some assumptions about the setup has to be made, which can be dangerous with no proof of anything yet.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Also I am more than willing to move to Death. Death, Eaed, and PJ seem to be getting mentioned a lotttt as scum. Actually the one in there I want to lynch the least now is Eaed, because everyone states the same reason - "He jumped around with his votes a lot". Which is imo a null tell unless you know his playstyle, and no one seems to be giving much insight on it

*twitch*

okay now this I dont like
instead of forming his own opinions (which in CC largely amounted to bussing teammates), he's lazily falling back on whose name gets mentioned the most?
suspicious, very much so
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I am glad that I wasn't the only one who thought that, Death.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

htaeD posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

VI: Do you guys think I can push for a mislynch on Sceptile while seeming reasonable?
Death: Yes I am also scum

Suddenly getting that impression.

eh what?
oh you misread me
carefree is supposed to be a good thing
as in you dont care how your posts look.. and (if you dont mind me saying), you seemingly acted petty towards Terra, which looked like genuine town frustration

Oh. I don't tend to consider carefree as a positive quality so that did not jump out of me.

Just so everyone is aware, I consider VI an excellent scum player who I have never been able to read, and thus would remain wary of him even though his points are good.

I agree, but I cant help but feel this goes without saying
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GranAures posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

I literally do not understand what you just said, so I must conclude you have gone temporarily insane.

Which is more likely:
Nana can be Mafia ________ fake claiming Backup EBG because puns said EBG wasn't in the game

Or

Nana can be Mafia Backup EBG
?

If it is statement 2, why do you default to statement 1?

I don't think Puns gave them a list of role fakeclaim. I just meant that they had some form of knowledge that Backup X would be a good fakeclaim. It could be as easy as straight-up telling them that it is the Vanilla substitute for this game. Your second option just feels a little unlikely to me anyway. It doesn't match with how I would do it.
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htaeD posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Also I am more than willing to move to Death. Death, Eaed, and PJ seem to be getting mentioned a lotttt as scum. Actually the one in there I want to lynch the least now is Eaed, because everyone states the same reason - "He jumped around with his votes a lot". Which is imo a null tell unless you know his playstyle, and no one seems to be giving much insight on it

*twitch*

okay now this I dont like
instead of forming his own opinions (which in CC largely amounted to bussing teammates), he's lazily falling back on whose name gets mentioned the most?
suspicious, very much so

No, that;s not what I meant.

Read my posts earlier in the game and I've been making it known that I dont like Pj and Eaed, and then a page or so ago I said I am not getting anything positive from your posts, and that they also remind me of last game. You're really the only 3 I've ever felt like lynching today. That feeling remains. My point by saying you're mentioned a lot as scum is just to reaffirm that i feel good about the direction. But it is not steering my votes
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if my and Nana's theory about useless/notuseless backups is correct
than scum could claim whatever backup they want
they'd run the risk of running into that role actually existing already, somewhat
but thats always the case with mafia
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benjamin3740 posted...

htaeD posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Also I am more than willing to move to Death. Death, Eaed, and PJ seem to be getting mentioned a lotttt as scum. Actually the one in there I want to lynch the least now is Eaed, because everyone states the same reason - "He jumped around with his votes a lot". Which is imo a null tell unless you know his playstyle, and no one seems to be giving much insight on it

*twitch*

okay now this I dont like
instead of forming his own opinions (which in CC largely amounted to bussing teammates), he's lazily falling back on whose name gets mentioned the most?
suspicious, very much so

No, that;s not what I meant.

Read my posts earlier in the game and I've been making it known that I dont like Pj and Eaed, and then a page or so ago I said I am not getting anything positive from your posts, and that they also remind me of last game. You're really the only 3 I've ever felt like lynching today. That feeling remains. My point by saying you're mentioned a lot as scum is just to reaffirm that i feel good about the direction. But it is not steering my votes

my next question was going to be why you hadnt voted yet, but I checked and saw you were already on PJ
still that was awful wording for what you were trying to say
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Really, Ben? I can't say I have gotten a strong feeling towards you that you don't like pj or eaed. At least, by the point I voted you, I know for a fact you had not expressed such an opinion in the least.
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So as time gets closer and closer to EOD, its interesting to see things are swinging in a different directio, you have people coming off of NaNa and going onto ben and you also have another train forming on Scept. I think youre gonna have an intresting overlap on the people who tried to formal nana, saw that it wasnt gaining traction and the slam it on the person who was hard defending NaNa.
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Just the comment from Ben like he has been on eaed/pj/death all day strikes me as clearly false, and possibly an attempt to retroactively justify recent suspicions.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

Really, Ben? I can't say I have gotten a strong feeling towards you that you don't like pj or eaed. At least, by the point I voted you, I know for a fact you had not expressed such an opinion in the least.

The heck? I even told them both to claim in the same post >.>
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Meta_Knight123 posted...

So as time gets closer and closer to EOD, its interesting to see things are swinging in a different directio, you have people coming off of NaNa and going onto ben and you also have another train forming on Scept. I think youre gonna have an intresting overlap on the people who tried to formal nana, saw that it wasnt gaining traction and the slam it on the person who was hard defending NaNa.

okay but where do you stand?
we dont need a commentary, we need players
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Sceptilesolar posted...

GranAures posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

I literally do not understand what you just said, so I must conclude you have gone temporarily insane.

Which is more likely:
Nana can be Mafia ________ fake claiming Backup EBG because puns said EBG wasn't in the game

Or

Nana can be Mafia Backup EBG
?

If it is statement 2, why do you default to statement 1?

I don't think Puns gave them a list of role fakeclaim. I just meant that they had some form of knowledge that Backup X would be a good fakeclaim. It could be as easy as straight-up telling them that it is the Vanilla substitute for this game. Your second option just feels a little unlikely to me anyway. It doesn't match with how I would do it.

And puns giving mafia direct setup info feels unlikely to me because it doesn't match with how I would do it.
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Inb4 I've been posting in the wrong topic this whole time.

But really, people voting me COUGH Eaed COUGH should know what my stances are, and should not have thought the same thing as Death when reading that
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