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Kenri
05/31/17 5:46:24 PM
#201:


Also if you seriously think police take threats against non-famous/rich people seriously, I don't know what rock you're living under. Police barely take actual assault seriously, threats are just handwaved en masse.
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charmander6000
05/31/17 5:46:38 PM
#202:


It's no different than treating any utterance of the word bomb in an airport as a serious threat.

They have a job to make sure.
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TheRock1525
05/31/17 5:47:11 PM
#203:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Replace "Trump's head" with an ex's head and you posted it on your facebook for everyone to see, and see how much authorities should treat that like a joke.


me posting that on my facebook != a comedian making a joke as part of a routine.


I don't see the difference. The threat of violence against a specific person whether part of an act or posted on your facebook absolutely should be investigated.
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Mr Lasastryke
05/31/17 5:49:41 PM
#204:


StealThisSheen posted...
So if a student posts on Facebook that they're going to shoot up their school, it shouldn't be looked into if they're known for telling bizarre jokes?


a student posting a threat on facebook != a comedian making a joke as part of a routine.

do i have to keep repeating the same point?
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TheRock1525
05/31/17 5:49:43 PM
#205:


Kenri posted...
Also if you seriously think police take threats against non-famous/rich people seriously, I don't know what rock you're living under. Police barely take actual assault seriously, threats are just handwaved en masse.


I can't speak for others, but when my dad posted "I wish that bitch would just die" on his facebook about my mom some time after the divorce, we had cops at our house the next day.
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Jakyl25
05/31/17 5:50:35 PM
#206:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Replace "Trump's head" with an ex's head and you posted it on your facebook for everyone to see, and see how much authorities should treat that like a joke.


me posting that on my facebook != a comedian making a joke as part of a routine.


You are really resting a lot of your argument on the idea that we should just always give comedians the benefit of the doubt because they are comedians.
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TheRock1525
05/31/17 5:50:39 PM
#207:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
So if a student posts on Facebook that they're going to shoot up their school, it shouldn't be looked into if they're known for telling bizarre jokes?


a student posting a threat on facebook != a comedian making a joke as part of a routine.

do i have to keep repeating the same point?


I don't see the difference, both imply violence against a specific (or a specific group) of people, and it shouldn't be able to hold up the "it's a joke!" defense without proper investigation.
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FFDragon
05/31/17 5:51:22 PM
#208:


I don't see why adding "lol" to the end of "I'm going to kill you" enables you to handwave things.
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StealThisSheen
05/31/17 5:52:03 PM
#209:


Lasa, I have to assume you're getting up in arms over it because you're confusing that "investigation" means

It literally just means "Determine if there's any actual threat here whatsoever." It's literally their job to make sure she's actually joking and not disguising a threat as a joke. It doesn't mean anything more.
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charmander6000
05/31/17 5:52:09 PM
#210:


Are comedians incapable of murder? or joking about murder and then actually doing it?

Sure it was a 0.0000001% chance of happening, but that's their job to find out.
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Mr Lasastryke
05/31/17 5:53:37 PM
#211:


TheRock1525 posted...
I don't see the difference.


uh yeah, if you don't see the difference between an artistic expression that's obviously meant to be seen in a certain context and a sincere statement i don't know what to tell you.

you see no difference at all between mel brooks' springtime for hitler and neo-nazis sincerely praising hitler?
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Mr Lasastryke
05/31/17 5:54:54 PM
#212:


StealThisSheen posted...
Lasa, I have to assume you're getting up in arms over it because you're confusing that "investigation" means

It literally just means "Determine if there's any actual threat here whatsoever." It's literally their job to make sure she's actually joking and not disguising a threat as a joke. It doesn't mean anything more.


fair enough.

like, it's so super obviously a joke that this just seems redundant to me but you can't be too careful, i guess.
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CaptainOfCrush
05/31/17 5:55:23 PM
#213:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
an artistic expression that's obviously meant to be seen in a certain context

The Secret Service are lawfully obligated to ensure that it is indeed this. We all know that it is, they know that it is, but they need to investigate just to make sure and close the book on it.
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FFDragon
05/31/17 5:55:33 PM
#214:


it's

literally

their

job
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TheRock1525
05/31/17 5:56:33 PM
#215:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
I don't see the difference.


uh yeah, if you don't see the difference between an artistic expression that's obviously meant to be seen in a certain context and a sincere statement i don't know what to tell you.

you see no difference at all between mel brooks' springtime for hitler and neo-nazis sincerely praising hitler?


Praising Hitler isn't a crime.

Killing the President is.
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Mr Lasastryke
05/31/17 5:57:29 PM
#216:


Jakyl25 posted...
You are really resting a lot of your argument on the idea that we should just always give comedians the benefit of the doubt because they are comedians.


not always. if griffin had a long history of making jokes about violently killing trump and made sincere statements about this as well (like nugent did) the situation would obviously be different.
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Mr Lasastryke
05/31/17 5:59:00 PM
#217:


TheRock1525 posted...
Praising Hitler isn't a crime.

Killing the President is.


i know. this is irrelevant to the point i was making.
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BowserCuffs
05/31/17 6:00:21 PM
#218:


A reminder that people thought Dylan Roof was joking before he actually committed the crime he was "joking" about.

(Also a reminder that the police were warned about the concert bomber 5 separate times by different people within the Muslim community and didn't act on it at all)
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TheRock1525
05/31/17 6:04:21 PM
#219:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Praising Hitler isn't a crime.

Killing the President is.


i know. this is irrelevant to the point i was making.


Right, and your point is irrelevant to the discussion cause we're talking about violence against a person, either in jest or not.
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TheRock1525
05/31/17 6:06:22 PM
#220:


I mean, I'm pretty sure if anyone bothered to investigate Cosby's act after he started talking about using date rape drugs, we might have stopped him sooner. >_>
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StealThisSheen
05/31/17 6:06:25 PM
#221:


It's kinda like if you work at a factory that makes childrens toys, and your job is to make sure the toys don't explode.

And, well, the pink elephant has been defective a few times, and so has the green monkey. The yellow rhino has had one or two defective, too. But in all your time working there, the blue hippo has never been defective. Ever.

Is it acceptable to just stop checking the blue hippo toys because, well, they're blue hippos?
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Mega Mana
05/31/17 6:10:40 PM
#222:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Completely disagree. The Korean peninsula is very easy to spot. If borders are shown clearly, the glorious DPRK stands out like a double rainbow...

(I'm actually only being half-sarcastic here... but maybe I'm just good at geography).


Japan's relative location always throws me off somehow.
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Mr Lasastryke
05/31/17 6:10:45 PM
#223:


TheRock1525 posted...
Right, and your point is irrelevant to the discussion cause we're talking about violence against a person, either in jest or not.


it is relevant because you were saying "there is no difference between a student posting a threat on facebook and a comedian making a threat as a joke." i was using an analogy to point out that there is a difference.
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StealThisSheen
05/31/17 6:12:10 PM
#224:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Right, and your point is irrelevant to the discussion cause we're talking about violence against a person, either in jest or not.


it is relevant because you were saying "there is no difference between a student posting a threat on facebook and a comedian making a threat as a joke." i was using an analogy to point out that there is a difference.


But he's right that your analogy doesn't work because your analogy isn't even remotely comparable to threats of violence, so obviously there are different circumstances surrounding them.
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LordoftheMorons
05/31/17 6:13:25 PM
#225:


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/335834-romney-tweets-support-for-paris-climate-deal

Good on Mitt
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Kenri
05/31/17 6:13:45 PM
#226:


StealThisSheen posted...
Is it acceptable to just stop checking the blue hippo toys because, well, they're blue hippos?

according to capitalism, it depends how much you pay the inspector and the predicted cost of a lawsuit if a hippo explodes


TheRock1525 posted...
Kenri posted...
Also if you seriously think police take threats against non-famous/rich people seriously, I don't know what rock you're living under. Police barely take actual assault seriously, threats are just handwaved en masse.


I can't speak for others, but when my dad posted "I wish that bitch would just die" on his facebook about my mom some time after the divorce, we had cops at our house the next day.

Not to make light of your situation but I feel like this is just because you and your dad have the worst luck imaginable. Threats, especially online, are almost never treated with any amount of gravity.

I could be wrong though, I'm really just going off anecdotal knowledge and some high profile examples. *shrug*
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FFDragon
05/31/17 6:15:17 PM
#227:


when even north korea signs on to something and we're all herp derp

there is no way we come out of this okay
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Jakyl25
05/31/17 6:15:49 PM
#228:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
you see no difference at all between mel brooks' springtime for hitler and neo-nazis sincerely praising hitler?


That's not a strong analogy

Griffin's thing wasn't meant to lampoon people who want Trump dead
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MrGreenonion
05/31/17 6:15:51 PM
#229:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
You were reasonably good for a while

Fake news!
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Mr Lasastryke
05/31/17 6:17:31 PM
#230:


Jakyl25 posted...
That's not a strong analogy

Griffin's thing wasn't meant to lampoon people who want Trump dead


yeah ok, that analogy didn't really work.
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TheRock1525
05/31/17 6:18:07 PM
#231:


Kenri posted...
Not to make light of your situation but I feel like this is just because you and your dad have the worst luck imaginable. Threats, especially online, are almost never treated with any amount of gravity.


I think in the context of my story, it's probably due to a highly-contested and ugly divorce and a woman who was ready to report almost anything. So it's possible you're either right with exceptions or that maybe it's a geographical thing.
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Jakyl25
05/31/17 6:19:59 PM
#232:


I want to add as an addendum to this discussion, it would be SUPER awesome if the more right-leaning users in these topics attempted to police their own as much as we are here.
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Peace___Frog
05/31/17 6:26:05 PM
#233:


Jakyl25 posted...
I want to add as an addendum to this discussion, it would be SUPER awesome if the more right-leaning users in these topics attempted to police their own as much as we are here.

This is almost as funny as covfefe
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Kenri
05/31/17 6:27:00 PM
#234:


Jakyl25 posted...
I want to add as an addendum to this discussion, it would be SUPER awesome if the more right-leaning users in these topics attempted to police their own as much as we are here.

lmao

i'd sooner expect them to mock how "the left eats its own" again
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LordoftheMorons
05/31/17 6:32:03 PM
#235:


https://mobile.twitter.com/petridishes/status/869925041852612608
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05/31/17 6:42:18 PM
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FFDragon
05/31/17 6:43:55 PM
#237:


what the covfefe
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XIII_rocks
05/31/17 6:54:16 PM
#238:


So in UK news, Corbyn is closing the gap a bit and the Tories might - might - not have an overall majority. Would be cool.
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Forceful_Dragon
05/31/17 7:36:30 PM
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Not_an_Owl
05/31/17 7:37:20 PM
#240:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
Lasa, I have to assume you're getting up in arms over it because you're confusing that "investigation" means

It literally just means "Determine if there's any actual threat here whatsoever." It's literally their job to make sure she's actually joking and not disguising a threat as a joke. It doesn't mean anything more.


fair enough.

like, it's so super obviously a joke that this just seems redundant to me but you can't be too careful, i guess.

Multiple presidents have been assassinated. Multiple presidents have been targets of unsuccessful assassination attempts. The Secret Service has no desire to see either number increase.
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LapisLazuli
05/31/17 7:40:46 PM
#241:


An increase in unsuccessful assassination attempts, eh.
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Not_an_Owl
05/31/17 7:42:11 PM
#242:


LapisLazuli posted...
An increase in unsuccessful assassination attempts, eh.

Maybe I phrased that weirdly. The goal is to decrease the attempts, not increase the success rate.
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GuessMyUserName
05/31/17 8:00:27 PM
#243:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/04/quote-of-the-day-ted-nugent-threatens-barack-obama/256025/

required reading for people who were using the "man just IMAGINE if a conservative artist did anything remotely similar with obama being the subject" argument (i.e. sephy and ulti).

gee, it's almost as if ted nugent is still performing after threatening to kill obama.

edit: lol, i posted this before reading rock's post.

Mr Lasastryke posted...
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/04/quote-of-the-day-ted-nugent-threatens-barack-obama/256025/

required reading for people who were using the "man just IMAGINE if a conservative artist did anything remotely similar with obama being the subject" argument (i.e. sephy and ulti).

gee, it's almost as if ted nugent is still performing after threatening to kill obama.

edit: lol, i posted this before reading rock's post.


Why stop at "he's still performing"? He is idolized by the right for standing up to Obummer and Trump himself honours him with a White House visit with his other vocal nutcases.

http://i.aerispies.com/nugent.jpg

And yet we get people like Corrik who don't have an ounce of reflective capability whining about the left not condemning Kathy Griffin enough. A woman who's entire gimmick is being an unlikable and crass individual.
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Corrik
05/31/17 8:08:50 PM
#244:


GuessMyUserName posted...
Mr Lasastryke posted...
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/04/quote-of-the-day-ted-nugent-threatens-barack-obama/256025/

required reading for people who were using the "man just IMAGINE if a conservative artist did anything remotely similar with obama being the subject" argument (i.e. sephy and ulti).

gee, it's almost as if ted nugent is still performing after threatening to kill obama.

edit: lol, i posted this before reading rock's post.

Mr Lasastryke posted...
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/04/quote-of-the-day-ted-nugent-threatens-barack-obama/256025/

required reading for people who were using the "man just IMAGINE if a conservative artist did anything remotely similar with obama being the subject" argument (i.e. sephy and ulti).

gee, it's almost as if ted nugent is still performing after threatening to kill obama.

edit: lol, i posted this before reading rock's post.


Why stop at "he's still performing"? He is idolized by the right for standing up to Obummer and Trump himself honours him with a White House visit with his other vocal nutcases.

http://i.aerispies.com/nugent.jpg

And yet we get people like Corrik who don't have an ounce of reflective capability whining about the left not condemning Kathy Griffin enough. A woman who's entire gimmick is being an unlikable and crass individual.

What are you talking about
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LapisLazuli
05/31/17 8:13:59 PM
#245:


I don't see why you're confused, seems pretty clear.
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Corrik
05/31/17 8:17:30 PM
#246:


LapisLazuli posted...
I don't see why you're confused, seems pretty clear.

I guess!
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GuessMyUserName
05/31/17 8:17:48 PM
#247:


I'm taking about you deepthroating the president at any and every opportunity.

B8 conservatives are nothing but White Knights for Trump and it's just sad.
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Lightning Strikes
05/31/17 8:44:14 PM
#248:


XIII_rocks posted...
So in UK news, Corbyn is closing the gap a bit and the Tories might - might - not have an overall majority. Would be cool.


I hope so. It's actually interesting as there's been a lot of variability in the polls, with the polls using 2015 turnout data still suggesting a 10% victory for the Tories (although this is a damn sight better than the 24% from a month ago). Ultimately it is the young who will decide this election. They need to turn out and vote, only 43% did in 2015. It seems they will, and even a 60% turnout would be a big blow to the Tories. So let's hope they do.

For those on the other side of the pond and interested but not following, the reason for the dramatic tightening in polls is a combination of a great Labour campaign and manifesto and a Tory campaign so bad even their supporters are calling it one of the worst ever. It is loaded with unpopular policies like Fox hunting, the dementia tax, scrapping free school meals, and Theresa May is hiding from the public.

This all culminated in tonight's debate, in which Theresa May refused to appear, instead sending Home Secretary Amber Rudd (only days after her father died, no less). The result was the Tories getting the tar beaten out of them by the other parties. Then during closing statements, this happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SACmlP3Cz9E


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SupremeZero
05/31/17 8:46:55 PM
#249:


Lightning Strikes posted...
XIII_rocks posted...
So in UK news, Corbyn is closing the gap a bit and the Tories might - might - not have an overall majority. Would be cool.


I hope so. It's actually interesting as there's been a lot of variability in the polls, with the polls using 2015 turnout data still suggesting a 10% victory for the Tories (although this is a damn sight better than the 24% from a month ago). Ultimately it is the young who will decide this election. They need to turn out and vote, only 43% did in 2015. It seems they will, and even a 60% turnout would be a big blow to the Tories. So let's hope they do.

For those on the other side of the pond and interested but not following, the reason for the dramatic tightening in polls is a combination of a great Labour campaign and manifesto and a Tory campaign so bad even their supporters are calling it one of the worst ever. It is loaded with unpopular policies like Fox hunting, the dementia tax, scrapping free school meals, and Theresa May is hiding from the public.

This all culminated in tonight's debate, in which Theresa May refused to appear, instead sending Home Secretary Amber Rudd (only days after her father died, no less). The result was the Tories getting the tar beaten out of them by the other parties. Then during closing statements, this happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SACmlP3Cz9E


Savage.

I seem to recall a time where it was like "I'm Theresa May, and I can tell you we're going to fuck up the internet, we're so ahead it doesn't even matter."

Is it now like "Er, maybe I shouldn't have done that...?"
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BowserCuffs
05/31/17 9:22:37 PM
#250:


Lightning Strikes posted...
It is loaded with unpopular policies like Fox hunting,


...Why!?

I mean, I understand defending your farm/property from predators that could harm you and yours.

But making a sport out of hunting animals* is a level of barbarism that I was happy to see going underground, with the hope that it would eventually be wiped out together.

*Deer hunting is not an exception, even though I actually support it. Hunting for sport is barbaric. Hunting for meat is not and is a useful way to keep the herds in check so that they don't starve to death. Fox hunting has never been anything but a sport.
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