Board 8 > ~BOXING MATCH!~ Mega Man vs. Zero!

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Mega Man has challenged Zero to a fight! Location of the fight: WVBA boxing ring - The standard ring for fights in the Punch-Out series.. Which side will win?


Guidelines

- The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment.
- No armor or weaponry allowed, and all attacks are limited to punches
- "Broken" refers to a lot of things, including insta-death, auto-effects, a variety of status effects (e.g., Imp, Silence, Stop, *not* Poison), and revival. Unless stated otherwise, nobody has them, though do use your own discretion.
- There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from.

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Mega Man is as seen in Mega Man Series. He has access to his Mega Buster, his Magnet Beam, all of his weapons from the mainline Mega Man series (1-10) aside from the Time Stopper, Flash Stopper, Gravity Hold, Centaur Flash and Astro Crush and his moveset from Marvel vs Capcom 2, but may only use his hypers if he has enough meter and the necessary robots are present. He also has a variety of weapons based on his defeated foes, allowing him to use a Star Uppercut if the opening presents itself, as well as Blade Beam. He is accompanied by Eddie.

Eddie is as he appears in the mainline Mega Man series. He is carrying one E-Tank, and will attempt to remain hidden until Mega Man is low on health, at which point he will attempt to give him the E-Tank.

~VS~

Zero is as he appears in the Mega Man Zero series, in his Active Form as seen in Zero 2. He has his Saber, Buster, Shield Boomerang, and Chain Rod, as well as the EX skills from Mega Man Zero 2. He has the elemental chips and the only effects from Cyber Elves he has are those from Grandie, Atti, Jettah, and Fubuffa, (double life, running speed, climbing speed, no backlash recoil).

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An undersized underdog nobody trusts to win vs. the greatest of all time...where have I heard this one before? FIGHT!
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Zero is canonically far superior to Mega Man in every category (by extension of him being on par with X, who was BUILT to be far superior to the original Mega Man). He also has double footwork speed due to Active form.

Also, Zero excels at melee combat. He's much more in his element here than Rock, AND Zero can punch really damn hard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cKu-ySLK9s&t=5m22s (if X is around 5 feet tall, Zero just punched through like 10 feet of whatever that future warbase is made of)

He also had a fist weapon in Mega Man X8 that lets him do street fighter moves, so he has hand-to-hand skills.

@Eddv
@Skyridge87

The floor is yours. GO GET 'EM BABY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQurUl4Snio
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI76tlJsL-E
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greengravy294 posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI76tlJsL-E

Blue Robot seems to be the consistent winner here

hmmmmm
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Mega Man is channrling the spirit of perpetual underdog Little Mac Today borrowing his boxing prowess including his secret move, the Star Uppercut.

He also has some ranged rocket arm punching via the pharoash man power he has on him.


Plus in his corner he has the best cut man in the business Eddie with an E Tank to take down Zero who is not channeling any boxing skill
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Eddv posted...

Mega Man is channrling the spirit of perpetual underdog Little Mac Today borrowing his boxing prowess including his secret move, the Star Uppercut.

He also has some ranged rocket arm punching via the pharoash man power he has on him.


Plus in his corner he has the best cut man in the business Eddie with an E Tank to take down Zero who is not channeling any boxing skill

Skyridge87 posted...

Also, Zero excels at melee combat. He's much more in his element here than Rock, AND Zero can punch really damn hard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cKu-ySLK9s&t=5m22s (if X is around 5 feet tall, Zero just punched through like 10 feet of whatever that future warbase is made of)

He also had a fist weapon in Mega Man X8 that lets him do street fighter moves, so he has hand-to-hand skills.

He also had a fist weapon in Mega Man X8 that lets him do street fighter moves, so he has hand-to-hand skills.

Not valid due to different body. Rest is legit though.
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Like sure Zero can Melee BUT CAN HE BOX?

And can he shoot his rocket fists?

And Mega Man has the unfair advantage of Eddie too.
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So let's see what Mega Man has

1. Star uppercuts
2. The freakin HARD PUNCH
3. Eddie to be his "press select" if he gets low on energy

Easy win for Mega Man imo
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Johnbobb posted...

greengravy294 posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI76tlJsL-E

Blue Robot seems to be the consistent winner here

hmmmmm

Everyone likes the Blue Robot.
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I don't know how many times I need to say this, but Zero's new body is stated to be equal to if not greater than his old body in the Mega Man Zero Complete Works.

Eddv posted...

He also has some ranged rocket arm punching via the pharoash man power he has on him.

HARD MAN, dammit.
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Skyridge87 posted...

I don't know how many times I need to say this, but Zero's new body is stated to be equal to if not greater than his old body in the Mega Man Zero Complete Works.

Which doesn't matter if installed stuff didn't transfer over. Like, the Black Zero benefits ain't there in the new body, so it doesn't matter what he could do with them, if that makes any sense?
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1. Star uppercuts

Writeup says the opportunity has to present itself. In the Punchout Games, the Star Uppercut is basically the finisher move, meaning Mega Man has to have gotten himself a huge advantage to use it

2. The freakin HARD PUNCH

Hard Knuckle is stupid slow. It stalls in midair for like half a second before slowly speeding up. Even in MM4, it's only really good against stationary enemies. Not to mention that the tech gap between Mega Man Classic and Mega Man Zero is incredibly vast.

3. Eddie to be his "press select" if he gets low on energy

For this to even matter, Mega Man will to be able to do more at least "half health" or whatever the win condition is to Zero before using it. Mega Man has never been particularly fast. Zero, on the other hand, has much more impressive maneuverability. Just look at the gameplay differences between classic MM and MMZ.

So yeah lots of tools here.

HARD MAN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfAEbpxtjec


And then of course the star uppervut a move GUARANTEED to knock an opponent down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YypaieysZ-A
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Lopen posted...

Eddv posted...

He also has some ranged rocket arm punching via the pharoash man power he has on him.

HARD MAN, dammit.

https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/megaman/images/5/5d/MM3-HardKnuckle-Art.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20100506170053
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Mega Man notably DOES NOT have that language like Mac does.

Dude can just use it.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

He also has a variety of weapons based on his defeated foes, allowing him to use a Star Uppercut if the opening presents itself

An opening is just like getting a clean hit
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I still feel like Hard Knuckle is a solid advantage here. Lets Mega Man play the outboxing game whilst Zero can only infight. Better yet, if Zero has to dodge a Hard Knuckle, Mega Man knows what direction he has to dodge in, making landing the Mega Upper superior. Adding in that Super Arm gives him a realistic chance to use holds if Zero gets in too tight, and I think Mega's got the whole 'boxing' element of this down pat, even if Zero would be far superior in, say, a street fight.
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My take is that Megaman can use Star Punch whenever. He's ammo based already, it's not like he needs to gain stars or whatever to use it. Limited ammunition covers that. That said, this match is still tricky - Zero has parameters that far exceed Rock's, but Rock has THE TECH. Fun to think about.
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Mega Man from SSB4.

I suggest you mute your sound cause the maker of this video sounds like an idiot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXSf2zdQPls#t=01m35s
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zero

megaman doesnt get star uppercut since it functions from his buster and is pretty explicitly a weapon. wins either way,
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Oh my god you werent kidding about that guy
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greengravy294 posted...

zero

megaman doesnt get star uppercut since it functions from his buster and is pretty explicitly a weapon. wins either way,

Its his fist dude.
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Kamekguy posted...

if Zero has to dodge a Hard Knuckle, Mega Man knows what direction he has to dodge in,

Zero can dodge left, right, or jump over it? Or just take it on the chin. Again, the tech gap is horrendously in Zero's favor.

Kamekguy posted...

Adding in that Super Arm gives him a realistic chance to use holds if Zero gets in too tight

Again, Zero is canonically stronger. A single one of those punches from the video I posted would probably knock Mega Man's head clean off, unless you think Mega Man is more durable than 10 feet of solid warbase with a century or more of tech on him.

Kamekguy posted...

I think Mega's got the whole 'boxing' element of this down pat

How? Mega Man isn't Kirby. He doesn't emulate fighting styles, he just copies weapons.

Hes stronger blah blah blah parameters.

Mega Man has the tools here and Zero doesn't unless you adhere to the lolgravy argument.
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What is that argument gravy

seriously what the hell is it
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What tools? An uppercut? A slow rocket fist that, according to the official art, leaves him without one of his two hands? He still has to actually HIT Zero. And even if he does, one of Zero's powerups in his writeup prevents knockback.

And I'm pretty sure the way Super Arm functions in any of its appearances would be an illegal move in boxing.

I have no vote here but gut says having to melee Zero in any fashion is bad news
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Zero will forget it's a boxing match

Use his Z-Saber
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Have you ever seen someone try to run away in a boxing ring?

Like its not like boxing dodging is just generic speed its a specific skill based on being able to move specific parts of your body.

And frankly yeah he has a move that allows him to knock downan opponent who is giving him an opening and neither of them is professional boxers so those opportunities are going to exist
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Lol
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Mega Man

I don't think Zero has ever not used a weapon.
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Side steps are a thing. And the MMX and MMZ series have a specific ability/gameplay mechanic used to traverse short distances extremely quickly that you can attack directly out of.

And if Mega Man lands a punch, what's stopping Zero from landing one right back? Even if you think he leads with a Star Uppercut and successfully lands it, it's not going to finish the fight and Zero will know what to look for it in the future. Mega Man games are about pattern recognition and dodging, and Zero is just plain better at lore wise and mechanics wise than Mega Man is.

I... just explained how boxing works in Mega Man's favor and frankly, if you aim a shot to a guy's right, they're gonna dodge left. It's very basic boxing psychology insofar as feints go.

I'm not saying Mega Man is a better boxer because he scanned a boxer - I know how Mega Man games work. I'm saying his toolset allows him to play by the rules of boxing far more adeptly than Zero's.
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Well theyre both really durable and since he has better boxing moves and an E tank like AT WORST dude wins on points.
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The Star Punch doesn't matter, honestly - Megaman has his own Mega Upper which is way more impressive anyway. Dude knows his punching techniques.
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@eaedwards6400

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlpXQ2WQtrQ&t=2m10s

Zero PUNCHES Sigma's arm clean off

Mega Man explicitly has his Marvel vs Capcom 2 moveset

Which includes hella more punches than Zero's Marvel vs Capcom 3 moveset

Should really be enough

but HARD PUNCH
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HARD PUNCH

its the hardest punch there is!

Plus my dude has a corner team - and if boxing movies and Punch Out have taught me anything a good corner man is key to winning at boxing.

Mick from Rocky
Clint Eastwood in Million Dollar Baby
Joe Pesci in Raging Bull
Doc Louis in Punch Out

Eddie joins their ranks.

Who does Zero have? No one.
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Also

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/megaman/images/7/72/Megaupper_vs_superjumppunch.png/revision/latest?cb=20131230180432

Way cooler than star punch tbqh

Little Mac would get DUNKED by megaman at boxing
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Unquestionably Zero.
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Questionably Mega Man.
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Another thing in Zero's favor: in the boss fight against him in MMX2, Zero can just straight up block charged X-buster shots. Completely no sells them with nothing but his arms, like how you guard in boxing. If he can negate a superior version of Mega Man's strongest attack, how can original Mega Man even hurt him?

Some proof for the "mega man takes a licking and just keeps ticking" argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-7xneX9ZyY

Wilys Castle collapses on him which not only doesnt crush him like a tin can but he also HOLDS IT UP long enough to save Dr Light and have Proto Man help him escape.
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Skyridge87 posted...

Another thing in Zero's favor: in the boss fight against him in MMX2, Zero can just straight up block charged X-buster shots. Completely no sells them with nothing but his arms, like how you guard in boxing. If he can negate a superior version of Mega Man's strongest attack, how can original Mega Man even hurt him?

Because hes not a good boxer?

like if he wants to sit there and do nothing but block mega man is going to eventually get him.
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Eddv posted...

Some proof for the "mega man takes a licking and just keeps ticking" argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-7xneX9ZyY

Wilys Castle collapses on him which not only doesnt crush him like a tin can but he also HOLDS IT UP long enough to save Dr Light and have Proto Man help him escape.

And X is canonically superior to Mega Man. And Zero is on par with X, as their last fight in X5 shows them pretty much go to a draw (pretty sure canonically Zero narrowly wins, but they're both flat on their faces at the end).

That feat means nothing here.

Mega isnt X and thats a battle using their full arsenals not a boxing match


Mega also survives falling from wilys exploding fortress that is super high in the sky in one piece.

and while he doesnt explicitly get GB feats he does FALL FROM ORBIT in GB MMV and is just fine.

Dude is durable. Theyre going to trade blows but mega has what it takes to go the distance and as the defending champ win on points!
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