Poll of the Day > Vladimir Putin said it's his DUTY to STOP Gay People because GOD said so!!!

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Full Throttle
06/15/17 9:31:27 PM
#1:


Do you agree with Putin on Gay People?


Dictator Vladmir Puti said it was his "duty" to stop gay people from getting married as an atttempt to "reinforce families" because same sex couples "will not produce any children"!!

He was interviewed by Oliver Stone as he viewed his disdain for gay people and his belief to "uphold traditional conservative values" as God put him on this earth to do.

He said "And i can tell you this, that as head of state today, i believe it's my duty to uphold traditional values and family values. But why? Because same-sex marriages will not produce any children. God has decided, and we have to care about birth rates in our country. We have to reinforce families. But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be any persecutions against anyone"

Putin has rallied against same sex adoptions saying it's better for children to be raised in traditional households and said "i cannot say that gay adoption is welcomed by our public. I say this frankly. As in my view, children will have a freeher choice when they become adults if they grow up in a traditional family"

Putin also claims to be "rather liberal" because they don't persecute gay people like some Muslim countries where homosexuals face death and said Russia has no restrictions or harassment based on gender because even gay people in Russia get "state awards and orders for their achievements".

But his controversial law to ban dissemination to minors of "propaganda" in legitimizing homosexuality and widespread animosity towards gay people in Russia counters that argument. Authorities regularly deny gay rights activities permission to rally and gay people have been said to have been rounded up in the country as well.

When Stone asked him if he would shower with a gay submarine man, Putin said "i prefer not to go to the shower with him. Why provoke him? But you know, i'm a judo master and a SAMBO master as well"

Do you agree with Putin on Gays? let's see if people do

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VeeVees
06/15/17 9:32:45 PM
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what? not producing children is the best.
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06/15/17 9:40:41 PM
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Putin must have seen a duckbear topic or two in his day.
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Lokarin
06/15/17 9:41:21 PM
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He does know god not real, right?
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Aaantlion
06/15/17 9:45:33 PM
#5:


What Putin should do to fix it is force couples without children to adopt. Bam, solves two problems at once -- orphans find homes and the couples are contributing to the next generation of Russians. If only I could speak Russian to let him know about that idea. I'm sure his god would approve.
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The_Beta_Male
06/15/17 9:46:07 PM
#6:


Lokarin posted...
He does know god not real, right?


nobody knows that. nobody can know that. take your teenage edgy angst elsewhere kiddo
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Lokarin
06/15/17 9:48:04 PM
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The_Beta_Male posted...
Lokarin posted...
He does know god not real, right?


nobody knows that. nobody can know that. take your teenage edgy angst elsewhere kiddo


In terms of epistemology, yes - you can know for sure god not real. Even if definitely 100% exists, because unobservable - is not real.
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The_Beta_Male
06/15/17 9:50:16 PM
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Lokarin posted...
The_Beta_Male posted...
Lokarin posted...
He does know god not real, right?


nobody knows that. nobody can know that. take your teenage edgy angst elsewhere kiddo


In terms of epistemology, yes - you can know for sure god not real. Even if definitely 100% exists, because unobservable - is not real.


the forces of magnetism are not observable yet they are most definitely "real," as is gravity.

feigning ignorance by forcibly making your grammar awful doesn't benefit your argument at all--in fact, it does quite the opposite. but since i've countered your points with indisputable facts, it really doesn't matter how much you sabotage your own debate b/c you lose, regardless
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Lokarin
06/15/17 9:52:28 PM
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The effects of magnetism and gravity ARE observable tho
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TyVulpine
06/15/17 9:54:34 PM
#10:


The_Beta_Male posted...
Lokarin posted...
He does know god not real, right?


nobody knows that. nobody can know that. take your teenage edgy angst elsewhere kiddo

Zeus and the Greek gods are no longer accepted as real.
Jupiter and the Roman gods are no longer accepted as real.
Ra and the Egyptian gods are no longer accepted as real
*insert god/goddess of whatever religion you want* is no longer accepted as real
There have been numerous deities worshiped since the dawn of human civilization. (Hinduism alone has about 320,000,000 gods!)
Total number proven beyond a reasonable doubt to exist: 0.
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InfernalFive
06/15/17 10:08:24 PM
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TyVulpine posted...

Total number proven beyond a reasonable doubt to exist: 0.


Total number proven beyond a reasonable doubt not to exist: also 0.
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TyVulpine
06/15/17 10:10:27 PM
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InfernalFive posted...
TyVulpine posted...

Total number proven beyond a reasonable doubt to exist: 0.


Total number proven beyond a reasonable doubt not to exist: also 0.

Actually, a lot have been proven to not exist. The Greek gods which were worshiped clearly don't exist as there is no evidence on top of Mount Olympus. The Roman gods were disproven. Even the sun god Ra has been disproven as the sun has been proven to be a star and not a god.
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VeeVees
06/15/17 10:15:40 PM
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InfernalFive posted...
TyVulpine posted...

Total number proven beyond a reasonable doubt to exist: 0.


Total number proven beyond a reasonable doubt not to exist: also 0.


You don't have to prove something doesn't exist until someone else proved it exists.
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Ogurisama
06/15/17 10:16:07 PM
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TyVulpine posted...
InfernalFive posted...
TyVulpine posted...

Total number proven beyond a reasonable doubt to exist: 0.


Total number proven beyond a reasonable doubt not to exist: also 0.

Actually, a lot have been proven to not exist. The Greek gods which were worshiped clearly don't exist as there is no evidence on top of Mount Olympus. The Roman gods were disproven. Even the sun god Ra has been disproven as the sun has been proven to be a star and not a god.

Homer has proved there is no god
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The_Beta_Male
06/15/17 10:29:15 PM
#15:


Lokarin posted...
The effects of magnetism and gravity ARE observable tho


no you can't do that shit, you said something that couldn't be observed itself wasn't real and i easily and pathetically disputed your bs, nonsensical claim. you lost but your ego refuses to admit it so it came back with this weak garbage, so i'll counter with something equally stupid:

you can argue that the effects of God ARE observable as well, and in far greater detail and number than the effects of magnetism and gravity

i mean just look around you, bro. look at the world. that shit didn't just make itself
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TyVulpine
06/15/17 10:36:24 PM
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The_Beta_Male posted...
Lokarin posted...
The effects of magnetism and gravity ARE observable tho


no you can't do that shit, you said something that couldn't be observed itself wasn't real and i easily and pathetically disputed your bs, nonsensical claim. you lost but your ego refuses to admit it so it came back with this weak garbage, so i'll counter with something equally stupid:

you can argue that the effects of God ARE observable as well, and in far greater detail and number than the effects of magnetism and gravity

i mean just look around you, bro. look at the world. that shit didn't just make itself

Can you name one thing that has occurred that can irrefutably be attributed to any god? I'll wait.
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The_Beta_Male
06/15/17 10:58:18 PM
#17:


TyVulpine posted...
The_Beta_Male posted...
Lokarin posted...
The effects of magnetism and gravity ARE observable tho


no you can't do that shit, you said something that couldn't be observed itself wasn't real and i easily and pathetically disputed your bs, nonsensical claim. you lost but your ego refuses to admit it so it came back with this weak garbage, so i'll counter with something equally stupid:

you can argue that the effects of God ARE observable as well, and in far greater detail and number than the effects of magnetism and gravity

i mean just look around you, bro. look at the world. that shit didn't just make itself

Can you name one thing that has occurred that can irrefutably be attributed to any god? I'll wait.


were u not paying attention? of course you can't prove shit about a god's existence, but neither can you disprove them b/c they're probably way outside our level of understanding
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Aaantlion
06/15/17 11:01:05 PM
#18:


Lokarin posted...
The_Beta_Male posted...
Lokarin posted...
He does know god not real, right?


nobody knows that. nobody can know that. take your teenage edgy angst elsewhere kiddo


In terms of epistemology, yes - you can know for sure god not real. Even if definitely 100% exists, because unobservable - is not real.


That logic kinda doesn't fly given how many things we know exist that we can't necessarily observe.

TyVulpine posted...
The_Beta_Male posted...
Lokarin posted...
He does know god not real, right?


nobody knows that. nobody can know that. take your teenage edgy angst elsewhere kiddo

Zeus and the Greek gods are no longer accepted as real.
Jupiter and the Roman gods are no longer accepted as real.
Ra and the Egyptian gods are no longer accepted as real
*insert god/goddess of whatever religion you want* is no longer accepted as real
There have been numerous deities worshiped since the dawn of human civilization. (Hinduism alone has about 320,000,000 gods!)
Total number proven beyond a reasonable doubt to exist: 0.


I'm real, damnit! Nor is that proof that they don't exist. if a thing exists, it exists independent of belief.
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TyVulpine
06/15/17 11:02:46 PM
#19:


The_Beta_Male posted...
TyVulpine posted...
The_Beta_Male posted...
Lokarin posted...
The effects of magnetism and gravity ARE observable tho


no you can't do that shit, you said something that couldn't be observed itself wasn't real and i easily and pathetically disputed your bs, nonsensical claim. you lost but your ego refuses to admit it so it came back with this weak garbage, so i'll counter with something equally stupid:

you can argue that the effects of God ARE observable as well, and in far greater detail and number than the effects of magnetism and gravity

i mean just look around you, bro. look at the world. that shit didn't just make itself

Can you name one thing that has occurred that can irrefutably be attributed to any god? I'll wait.


were u not paying attention? of course you can't prove shit about a god's existence, but neither can you disprove them b/c they're probably way outside our level of understanding

Nice self-contradiction there. First you say "effects of god are observable" then turn around and say "you can't prove shit about a god's existence". So which is it? If the effect of a god are observable, then god is provable. But if god is "way outside our level of understanding", then the effects of god are not observable because we would not be able to comprehend the effects, and thus there's no way to prove god exists and therefore we must conclude he doesn't exist.
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deoxxys
06/15/17 11:03:06 PM
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id rather hear what you guys think of putin rather then religion
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helly
06/15/17 11:12:24 PM
#21:


The_Beta_Male posted...
Lokarin posted...
The effects of magnetism and gravity ARE observable tho


no you can't do that shit, you said something that couldn't be observed itself wasn't real and i easily and pathetically disputed your bs, nonsensical claim. you lost but your ego refuses to admit it so it came back with this weak garbage, so i'll counter with something equally stupid:

you can argue that the effects of God ARE observable as well, and in far greater detail and number than the effects of magnetism and gravity

i mean just look around you, bro. look at the world. that shit didn't just make itself

what?

no, you said magnetism and gravity weren't observable, and they factually are, therefore they exist.

the effects of a god are not observable.
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Syntheticon
06/15/17 11:43:15 PM
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Full Throttle posted...
Do you agree with Putin on Gays?

But then again, I don't really agree with anything he or his bottom boy Drumpf say anyway so it's hardly surprising
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The_Beta_Male
06/16/17 8:16:59 AM
#23:


TyVulpine posted...
Nice self-contradiction there. First you say "effects of god are observable" then turn around and say "you can't prove shit about a god's existence". So which is it? If the effect of a god are observable, then god is provable. But if god is "way outside our level of understanding", then the effects of god are not observable because we would not be able to comprehend the effects, and thus there's no way to prove god exists and therefore we must conclude he doesn't exist.


no kiddo, i said the effects were observable and that's true. there's nothing wrong with that. the existence of the god that made said effects, however, is observable only through said effects--as far as we know there is no other, solid proof of one existing but guess what? that doesn't mean they don't and there literally is no way to disprove their existence.

and it's so funny that u atheists are getting so uppity about this. i'm not even religious anymore. i believe in God, a higher power, a creator, but i gave up on all that religion bs a while ago. ur getting triggered by someone who doesn't even have a religious label like u kids do. labels are for inanimate objects bro

helly posted...
what?

no, you said magnetism and gravity weren't observable, and they factually are, therefore they exist.

the effects of a god are not observable.


yes that's exactly what i said and i stand by it. unlike oxygen molecules which are observable through a microscope, there is no visible force taking place with magnets or gravity. you can't just buy a super mondo powerful microscope and go "Hey holy shit I see the gravity and magnet molecules wow they're visible and I can observe them wow," so i dunno what the fuck ur on but if ur trying to get embarrassed again i will gladly oblige b/c it's easy
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Hejiru
06/16/17 8:29:06 AM
#24:


because same sex couples "will not produce any children"!!


Because if there's one thing this 7-billion planet needs, it's more humans.
What a stupid reason. We had this same argument in America, and I don't recall ever hearing a response to "well then, shouldn't we ban marriage of infertile people?"

Lokarin posted...
He does know god not real, right?


It doesn't matter if Putin believes in God or not. If he thinks saying "because God" will get him support then he'll say it. If the Russian population turned atheist tomorrow, he'd denounce God. Look at the US, I'm sure a huge chuck of Republican politicians don't believe in God either, but say they do because it gets them votes.
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TyVulpine
06/16/17 8:33:17 AM
#25:


There have been thousands of gods created by men. None have been proven to exist because they were nothing more than fairy tales created as an excuse for what people didn't understand about how the universe and specifically how the Earth works and/or as a tool to brainwash, frighten and control the populations.
And I'm still waiting for one example of an "effect of god" that proves he exists. I don't have all day for you to back your self-contradicting claim.
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The_Beta_Male
06/16/17 9:05:28 AM
#26:


TyVulpine posted...
There have been thousands of gods created by men. None have been proven to exist because they were nothing more than fairy tales created as an excuse for what people didn't understand about how the universe and specifically how the Earth works and/or as a tool to brainwash, frighten and control the populations.
And I'm still waiting for one example of an "effect of god" that proves he exists. I don't have all day for you to back your self-contradicting claim.


i already told you--the world itself is proof of a god. space, time, physics, all that shit. the greenery of the planet we live on that enables life to exist. the big bang didn't do that shit kid
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TyVulpine
06/16/17 10:18:33 AM
#27:


The_Beta_Male posted...
TyVulpine posted...
There have been thousands of gods created by men. None have been proven to exist because they were nothing more than fairy tales created as an excuse for what people didn't understand about how the universe and specifically how the Earth works and/or as a tool to brainwash, frighten and control the populations.
And I'm still waiting for one example of an "effect of god" that proves he exists. I don't have all day for you to back your self-contradicting claim.


i already told you--the world itself is proof of a god. space, time, physics, all that shit. the greenery of the planet we live on that enables life to exist. the big bang didn't do that shit kid

No it is not. Claim=/=proof. I could claim I created a purple unicorn with yellow spots but that doesn't make it true. Science can prove how the world was formed, and none of it involves Zeus, Jupiter, Ra, the Flying Spaghetti Monster or any other mythical man-made god.
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TyVulpine
06/16/17 10:46:05 AM
#28:


Well, @The_Beta_Male? Why is it so hard for you to offer irrefutable proof of "the effects of god"?
I do love it when people claim their god exists then run away when people stand up and challenge them to back their claim up with proof..... XD
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KStateKing17
06/16/17 11:23:55 AM
#29:


I didn't know Putin believed in God tbh.
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The_Beta_Male
06/16/17 11:35:50 AM
#30:


TyVulpine posted...
Well, @The_Beta_Male? Why is it so hard for you to offer irrefutable proof of "the effects of god"?
I do love it when people claim their god exists then run away when people stand up and challenge them to back their claim up with proof..... XD


i literally already did that. your post here is acknowledging that while also conceding the victory to me but doing so in a trollsy manner to hide your shame and bruised ego

better luck in your next internet argument, kiddo
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TyVulpine
06/16/17 11:43:29 AM
#31:


The_Beta_Male posted...
TyVulpine posted...
Well, @The_Beta_Male? Why is it so hard for you to offer irrefutable proof of "the effects of god"?
I do love it when people claim their god exists then run away when people stand up and challenge them to back their claim up with proof..... XD


i literally already did that. your post here is acknowledging that while also conceding the victory to me but doing so in a trollsy manner to hide your shame and bruised ego

better luck in your next internet argument, kiddo

No you haven't. "Look around you and you'll see the effects of god" is NOT proving your god did anything. You apparently do not understand the concept of "burden of proof".

Burden of proof: the obligation to assert one's claim. Telling people to "look around" is not asserting a claim.
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The_Beta_Male
06/16/17 12:32:31 PM
#32:


that's not an argument, ur just wasting time b/c u can't admit that u lost

also i just realized nobody even knows who u are. i've wasted so much time debating with a lurker, lol. i feel dirty; i should go shower
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TyVulpine
06/16/17 12:44:42 PM
#33:


I didn't lose anything. I'm not the one claiming some skydaddy created everything then runs away when someone asks them to prove such a ridiculous claim.
Again, where is YOUR evidence? Or are you too ducking stupid to understand such a simple concept as backing up your claim with irrefutable proof? If you cannot prove your skydaddy created everything, then you have lost.
And nice try with the "you're a lurker" bit, it made me laugh. (I've been around far longer than you, kid, and more active than you judging by your info tag)
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Questionmarktarius
06/16/17 12:58:20 PM
#34:


Marriage shouldn't be a function of government anyway.
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TyVulpine
06/16/17 12:59:25 PM
#35:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Marriage shouldn't be a function of government anyway.

Marriage is for legal reasons, Matrimony is for religion.
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InfernalFive
06/16/17 8:19:38 PM
#36:


TyVulpine posted...
I didn't lose anything. I'm not the one claiming some skydaddy created everything then runs away when someone asks them to prove such a ridiculous claim.
Again, where is YOUR evidence? Or are you too ducking stupid to understand such a simple concept as backing up your claim with irrefutable proof? If you cannot prove your skydaddy created everything, then you have lost.
And nice try with the "you're a lurker" bit, it made me laugh. (I've been around far longer than you, kid, and more active than you judging by your info tag)

Why are you arguing with Shenti? He's a self-admitted attention troll.
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Revelation34
06/17/17 3:37:03 PM
#37:


The_Beta_Male posted...
by someone who doesn't even have a religious label like u kids do.


Atheism is not a religion.
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The_Beta_Male
06/17/17 4:13:26 PM
#38:


Revelation34 posted...
The_Beta_Male posted...
by someone who doesn't even have a religious label like u kids do.


Atheism is not a religion.


it's a religious label, can u not read
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Funkdamental
06/17/17 4:16:58 PM
#39:


I wonder if Putin's religious principles are as sincere as his belief in Communist atheism when he was a KGB officer?
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Aggrobiscuit
06/17/17 4:23:21 PM
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I notice nobody ever talks about Allah when telling religious people how silly they are.

Or Islamic attitudes to gay people.

Or Islamic attitudes to how many children a family should have.
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Funkdamental
06/17/17 4:31:19 PM
#41:


Aggrobiscuit posted...
I notice nobody ever talks about Allah when telling religious people how silly they are.


If you're telling them that belief in a mythological being is irrational, it doesn't really matter how they translate his name in other languages.
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06/17/17 4:33:02 PM
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Funkdamental posted...
Aggrobiscuit posted...
I notice nobody ever talks about Allah when telling religious people how silly they are.


If you're telling them that belief in a mythological being is irrational, it doesn't really matter how they translate his name in other languages.


It kind of does, because Islamic belief in God is respected, but Christian belief in God is ridiculed. This suggests to me, that the belief itself is not inherently silly, but rather the criticism of the practice is cultural.
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Revelation34
06/17/17 5:22:06 PM
#43:


The_Beta_Male posted...
Revelation34 posted...
The_Beta_Male posted...
by someone who doesn't even have a religious label like u kids do.


Atheism is not a religion.


it's a religious label, can u not read


Atheism can't be a religious label either.
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Questionmarktarius
06/17/17 5:52:33 PM
#44:


Revelation34 posted...
Atheism can't be a religious label either.

Just like zero isn't a number, huh?
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Revelation34
06/17/17 5:56:40 PM
#45:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Just like zero isn't a number, huh?


The definition of religion is believing in a deity or deities.
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Questionmarktarius
06/17/17 5:57:19 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Just like zero isn't a number, huh?


The definition of religion is believing in a deity or deities.

Therefore "none" would be a perfectly reasonable religious label.
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OhhhJa
06/17/17 6:02:41 PM
#47:


It's a religious label in the sense that it's at the very least am acknowledgement of religion. Also every thesis had an antithesis
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Questionmarktarius
06/17/17 6:05:32 PM
#48:


OhhhJa posted...
It's a religious label in the sense that it's at the very least am acknowledgement of religion. Also every thesis had an antithesis

Remove the line from census/surveys entirely.
Problem solved.

At the very least, "fuck off!" should be the majority "religion" by now according to head-counters, by a significant margin.
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Revelation34
06/17/17 6:21:53 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Therefore "none" would be a perfectly reasonable religious label.


It can't be any religious label then. I just literally said why.
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TyVulpine
06/17/17 6:25:40 PM
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The_Beta_Male posted...
Revelation34 posted...
The_Beta_Male posted...
by someone who doesn't even have a religious label like u kids do.


Atheism is not a religion.


it's a religious label, can u not read

It's not a religion because atheists don't believe in a higher power, they rely on science, not magic and skydaddies.
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