Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Diablo/Alucard/Wily/ Nier/Sion/XDeath vs. Archer/Lilith/ Cloud/Sub-Zero

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Diablo, Alucard, Dr. Wily, Nier, Sion, X-Death, Cut Man, Air Man and Spearman (on a motorcycle) have challenged Archer, Lilith, Cloud Strife and Sub-Zero to a fight! Location of the fight: Nibelheim Mountains - Tall, sharp, and desolate, little lives in the Nibelheim Mountains — which makes it a fitting place to die. The few paths winding through the crags are narrow and steep, providing little room for maneuvering. If you fall, it's a long drop down. Attackers will start at the bottom of the mountain range, and defenders will start at the Mako reactor.. Which side will win?


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Sion is as seen in League of Legends. He is assumed to be max level, and have a standard tank's item build. He does not have access to wards, potions, masteries, item actives or summoner spells.

Dr. Wily is as he appears in Mega Man: Powered Up in his respective Wily Machine. He does not have access to the Wily Capsule. Wily cannot exit his machine and will be considered defeated when his machine is defeated.

Alucard is as he appears through the second castle of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. He is equipped with the Cross, has access to his best non-broken equipment and relics up to that point, and does not have the Shield Rod or his intro equipment. He has the Mist relic, but no Mist time extension or poison. The only familiar he has with him is the Bat, which summons more bats to help Alucard when he transforms.

Nier is as he is seen in Nier (after the time-skip), with access to the Phoenix Dagger, Labyrinth's Song, and Transience. All three are equipped with Pahuloth and Ululoth. Grimoire Weiss is with him, and gives him access to all of his spells in the game, which are all equipped with Gebuloth and Lugzarken.

X-Death is as he appears in Final Fantasy V. He will fight in his standard armored form and cannot transform, but has all of his endgame power and attacks from all of his boss fights. Additionally, he has access to all of his Brave/HP attacks from Dissidia as well as flight, though the actual Brave/HP mechanics do not apply. He cannot use White Hole, Delta Attack, Zombie Breath or the FFV Version of Grand Cross, nor can he banish anyone to another plane or use the void itself as a weapon. He will have twice his usual physical attack and speed, but his health will slowly deteriorate. He will start next to the enemy team, and will be frozen solid for the first 30 seconds of the battle.
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Diablo is as he appears in Diablo 3 and Heroes of the Storm, with all of his attacks and abilities, although cannot turn into his shadow form. He has been hit by a Slag Phase Strike from Lilith, damaging him and causing him to take double damage for the rest of the fight.

Spearman is as seen in the Civilization games- just a competent warrior with a spear and a motorcycle. He's more realistic, however, and won't randomly be soloing tanks just because he fortified on a mountain.

Cut Man is as seen in Mega Man. He is not limited to using his boss patterns exclusively.

Air Man is as seen in Mega Man 2. He is not limited to using his boss patterns exclusively.

~VS~

Cloud Strife is as seen in Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, with access to the First Tsurugi, and any abilities/skills granted by that equipment. He additionally has access to all magic (green) FF7 materia and his wing from Kingdom Hearts.

Sub-Zero is as seen in Mortal Kombat X, with his entire moveset from all three variations, although he must charge up X-Ray moves etc. in order to use them.

Archer is as seen in Fate/Stay Night's Unlimited Blade Works route. He may project Kanshou and Bakuya, Caladbolg, and his bow, as well as any other weapon seen in this fight, but may not project anything else. He may not use his Reality Marble, nor turn incorporeal and may be affected by conventional weapons despite his status as a servant. Psycho Mantis has exerted his influence over Archer (through Diablo). Every attack from Archer will somehow wildly miss Diablo's team, even if the attack is an area of effect attack that couldn't actually miss or is unable to miss in any other way, it will somehow miss anyway. IT'S USELESS. He will not realize that he needs to switch controller ports to avert this due to his hubris until 16 seconds after Diablo has been defeated.

Lilith is as she appears during the events of Borderlands 2, fully adapted to her Eridium-enhanced powers. She has fully mastered the Controller skill tree, and is equipped with the HellFire, Baby Maker (with corrosive ammo) and Tsunami SMGs, the Cobra, Penetrator (with Shock ammo) and Lyuda (with Slag ammo) sniper rifles and the Flame of the Firehawk shield. She cannot mass teleport mercs or objects. She has Cloud's motorcycle, Fenrir.

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With their lives on the line, which of these teams will taste despair? FIGHT!
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@Kamekguy
@Tirofog

The floor is yours.
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I came in here to instantly vote for Archer :(
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Now this one is interesting and I will entertain arguments for.
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Let’s talk Nier.

https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/nier/images/d/dd/Dark_Wall_-_level_4.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121211013623

He’s got a magic book with real-time applications. Grimoire Weiss, the flying talking book, is by far Nier’s best tool, and Weiss has some dirty shit. Take that up there, Dark Wall. It reflects ALL projectiles coming at Nier in, well, a wall. It’s his own personal Reflect he can pop on the terrain rather than a target, only it’s any and all things not attached to the person’s body. Considering how range-heavy Lilith is and how easy it is to anticipate a ranged strike in a terrain like this, Nier’s great for RIGHT BACK ATCHA-ing. But if you want a ‘greatest hits’ compilation of Nier…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvlE2T-TVlc#t=13m58s

Here’s his drill piercing the heavens. And then the drill explodes and kills you even harder.

https://youtu.be/_GSsP_dcgqw?t=276

Here’s SICK NIER SPEED

https://youtu.be/juMx-d8zFXk?t=1092

Here’s him invalidating the existence of Master Hand and Crazy Hand at the same time by just making giant invincible magic hands instead.

https://youtu.be/jM6NDbPzG80?t=253

Nier’s continued absolute hatred of arms. Also THAT SHEER STRENGTH just RIPPING AND TEARING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM6NDbPzG80#t=9m53s

Watch about a minute here. Here’s Nier just casually leaping way too damn high and bisecting this giant mofo. Then when that doesn’t work (this thing is a constant regen monster ala a hydra), he throws a buncha drills at it. And then those drills decide to be remote controlled by him so that he can BETTER pierce straight through.

Nier is, quite simply, by far the second best brute force here short of Diablo, and even then he’s probably better at knocking the opponent far and away. Add in the fact that he can easily magic bullet hell at the opponent while he’s getting this shit ready and a team that would HEAVILY rely on a projectile game (for which SPEARMAN ON MOTORCYCLE and Cut Man can easily take point to confirm ‘why yes they have projectiles’ and gauge the relative strength of).

Oh also there’s Diablo. Hi. He can teleport. Also Bone Prison to reduce mobility. And then just like grab people and drain their souls to heal him. Taking double damage? Cool, you kill him in three minutes instead of six minutes of concentrated fire. He still kills you in, like, four. Especially considering some mana and energy is wasted taking out X-Death’s decaying corpse and raising paranoia of just how fast my team can get to Team Cloud You know who’s also great at screwing with mobility? Air Man. Blows Mega Man around, who is a lot heavier than these other losers. People are falling down holes.

You know who’s also great at screwing with people? Dr. Wily. This specific Wily Machine has all the powers of the Powered Up bosses - so the six robot masters, plus Time Man and Oil Man. You know what that means? Chaos Control. Kind of. And oil slicks, everywhere. Hell a goddamn CANNON of oil. Guess who’s a demon made of fire who really likes an oil cannon? Big D-Blo. Guess who’s got freezing powers? Alberto Del Wily.

Essentially, Archer is useless, Sub-Zero is outclassed and could very well get screwed by someone as weak as Air Man, Cloud is screwed by Air Man and outclassed by Nier in a mid-range battle, and Lilith has to carry her entire team on her back. Against a demon that can reduce her mobility, a man who can actively reflect everything she can throw at her, and Wily’s time slow shenanigans when he’ll take FOREVER to whittle down.
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What the fuck is this match
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Eddv posted...

What the fuck is this match

'Can Cloud, Lilith and Sub-Zero assassinate Diablo before him and his team run all over them so Archer can then SOLO'

literally the match in one sentence
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The answer is 'no'.

Air man shoves everyone in a hole.

And then they're all like "oh no we're in a hole. oh no red lightning hose".
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came into this match thinking archer solos the field.
but with that impairment he now seems completely, utterly useless. good move.
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Kamekguy posted...

The answer is 'no'.

Air man shoves everyone in a hole.

And then they're all like "oh no we're in a hole. oh no red lightning hose".

Compelling af
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and please.
if they get stuck in a hole cutman will then just have swirling cutters as spearman stabs anyone trying to get out.
ultimately proving that spearman is the real danger in the match. if he can solo a tank, he can beat cloud.
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Team Archer

There's a lot of dead weight on one side. Spearman, Cut Man, and Air Man are all worthless and would die in a few hits from anyone except Sub-Zero. Especially Lilith, who can just snipe them from where they can't even counter. I like Nier a lot but that's a terrible weapon loadout he has, and his magic takes way too much time to charge up. Needs a Phoenix Spear to do some actual damage here.

I'm pretty sure Cloud and Lilith can do enough damage to down Diablo while he takes double damage, and they know he takes double damage so they'll focus on him first (Sub-Zero is irrelevant). After that, Exdeath dies in his ice prison and Archer solos.
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I'm really beginning to feel like all I have to do is see how Arti votes to know I'm gonna vote the opposite
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Nier has plenty of charge time with big body Sion in front of him. Air Man can push people around absolutely fine. Wily can slow time and make the environment significantly worse.

Please do not vote as if this is a straight-up fight. All weight can be used strategically. Archer is fucking dead due to the teleporting behemoth.
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Dammit missed the edit cutoff window

The writeup for Archer's USELESSNESS is in error. It won't last until Diablo is defeated +16 seconds, but rather until 40 seconds have passed after meeting Diablo or the majority of his team in battle. Please take this into account and vote accordingly. I apologize for the inconvenience.
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...How do you fuck up an ability writeup that badly.
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Kamekguy posted...

Nier has plenty of charge time with big body Sion in front of him. Air Man can push people around absolutely fine. Wily can slow time and make the environment significantly worse.

Please do not vote as if this is a straight-up fight. All weight can be used strategically. Archer is fucking dead due to the teleporting behemoth.

'big body' clarification by the way, this is the size of Sion:

https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/1/1f/Sion_Update_Promo_3.png/revision/latest?cb=20170309013932

Those little figures you see on his chest and arm? Yeah, they're people, normal-sized people. Dude is HUGE.
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thanks for the fix. issue still does remain that diablo, even taking double damage, has good meat shields and his team probably knows he shouldn't die.

but at least this way he'll realize that nothing he does is working <60s into the match and will effectively double as a scout.

...is the strategy on the other side basically "camp out with mako, archer sees everything, and lilith shanks anything that gets close as cloud plays bait/cleanup."

the only real alternative i see is cloud riding a rocket sword or infinite buster swords.
...actually he could just hand any projection to Cloud. basically support roles and camping strategies.
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StealThisSheen posted...

...How do you fuck up an ability writeup that badly.

'Fun' with Mantis being a PS, who has another PS attached to him, with both being attached to Diablo in layers, and this combining with an ability that is actually three abilities with multiple clauses. Super fun to parse, lemme tell you
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Diablo's teleporting and damage output is supplemented by the fact that Nier's ranged game is insane and could basically womp the Mako Reactor. Not to mention Wily's Super Arm essentially being a terrain wrecker here. If the enemy decides to camp out, I'm pretty sure Diablo knows the effects of his own ability well enough to keep out of sight, let the big tanky big bodies and scouts figure out where that guy he's psychicing is, and teleport in, BONE PRISON CHOKE, lolded.
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Kamekguy posted...

Diablo's teleporting and damage output is supplemented by the fact that Nier's ranged game is insane and could basically womp the Mako Reactor. Not to mention Wily's Super Arm essentially being a terrain wrecker here. If the enemy decides to camp out, I'm pretty sure Diablo knows the effects of his own ability well enough to keep out of sight, let the big tanky big bodies and scouts figure out where that guy he's psychicing is, and teleport in, BONE PRISON CHOKE, lolded.

Or, y'know

The dude who is like at least twenty stories tall and has a big fuckin battleaxe just mashing Lilith and Subs. That kinda helps a lot too. I don't know if this team can kill Archer once everyone else is dead, but I have zero doubts NOBODY on Archer's team survives until he regains his ability to deal damage, and by contrast everyone on Team Nier except maybe Cut Man and Spear Motorcycle Man will endure up until that point.
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Also resizing is an ugly thing. Here's a better, less wiki-compressed picture of Sion



Big boy.
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And just in case anyone's thinking 'bullshit, no way he's that big'...

https://lolstatic-a.akamaihd.net/frontpage/apps/prod/rg-galio-update-2017/es_AR/f554ef373e0e733bbe72addb2603447d72a4fec4/assets/img/wp-galio-base-logo.jpg

That's his 'good guy' counterpart. Just as megalarge as Sion is.
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Oh this match is Kamek

Nevermind
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ok well

I think I have been underselling Sion. Like if I knew that originally I probably would not have voted Archer's team initially

but with the ability change Archer isn't dying in forty seconds. He's way too fast for most of the mercs here to contend with.

then he starts firing first tsurugis out of his bow at everything he can
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Don't really think Archer gets the chance to discover how USELESS he is. Guy knows he outclasses most everyone, will probably wait up, start firing, miss... screw up trying to shoot again, OH NO DIABLO IS BEHIND ME WHY CAN'T I HIT THIS THING THE SIZE OF A MOUNTAIN.

Like I would assume "Sion has some freaky power that makes ranged attacks miss" before I would go "Archer assumes he just can't hit anything". Like Sion's such a big target it feels like it's be inherent to Sion before it'd be inherent to everyone else. And then Diablo goes "hey there's the guy who's missing everything, best teleport".

Or, you know, Gates of Heaven scream the Mako reactor. Does Mako explode? Is pure life force like phazon?
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if cloud swims in mako will he reach his dewpoint?
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But let's get serious for a second here, focus on the non-Archer opposition that will have to carry Archer's ass.

Lilith - Unfortunately squishy. The issue is that Nier can easily prep Dark Wall at the first side of Sion being assaulted. Add in the fact that Wily's Time Slow is a thing so that Nier can both charge faster and react easier to any oncoming projectiles, and she's essentially gonna take her own blasts.

Sub-Zero - I have no doubt he loses 1 Vs 1 to anyone who doesn't have the last name 'man' on my squad. He contributes in his entire moveset what Wily contributes in a single attack.

Cloud - By far the best equipped to tango with my squad due to rushdown. Hindered due to flying in Air Man-force winds, which may I remind contain spread fire tornadoes. Essentially, his foreward momentum is shot by Air Man and Wily being the Slow Patrol.

The team of Robot Masters and Wily exists to augment the relative slowness of the heavy hitters so that they land their strikes against this dodgier team. Their momentum is cut, they have to constantly check their footing on this terrain to a fall that WILL kill at least Lilith and Subby (and take Cloud out), and they have to kill the X-Death Ice Sculpture before anything. By that time, Sion will DEFINITELY be in view, and the odds of the team going "hey let's hide in this building where he can definitely assault us" is more than certainly next to nill. Avalanches happening with Diablo's roars and Sion's... Sion are almost guaranteed. The mako reactor is a giant coffin to pin down Team Archer, with Diablo and Alucard very easily able to take another front and kill and maim the squishies focused on the giant zombie who's reflecting and has giant magic hands and spears that can pierce damn near anything. Hell, Nier bats around a guy near Sion's size (see vids for reference), can easily toss the big boy over, butt smash, Mako reactor dead. And then Diablo shows up and starts Sataning hard.
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cloud
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why is sion so big

isn't he normal sized
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Drakeryn posted...

why is sion so big

isn't he normal sized

No, that's a gameplay abstraction because having some godzilla sized champions would be unbalanceable. But multiple LoL characters are huge as hell.
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So i think after mulling this over that team Diablo can actually pull this off with all their crowd control for Archer to be in serious trouble and for iy all to snowball fron there
.X death bring it home.
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Remind me why Godzilla is a 3/day
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DeathChicken posted...

Remind me why Godzilla is a 3/day

Because Luis didn't actually research league lore very well at all

Which is why you had a 5/week in the 3/week slot (hi Lissandra), a godzilla in the 3/week slot (hi Sion), and a 3/week in the 5/week slot (hi Tryndamere), among other things

It's stupid, it doesn't make sense that it should be the case, and yet it's completely true. Sion's got absolutely broken battle worth for his upkeep.
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Wasn't Sion like, actually a human before he got zombified? I don't think he was a Frankenstein style monster, just a super buff warrior who got beefed up with necromancy.

Also, dude was zombified within the confines of the city of Noxis, and I don't think they have labs the size of that picture to experiment with.
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You know what Luis nailed though?

Ashe.

I appreciate you Luis.
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my "the league event was absolute shit" senses were tingling
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It was pivotal
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trdl23 posted...

Wasn't Sion like, actually a human before he got zombified? I don't think he was a Frankenstein style monster, just a super buff warrior who got beefed up with necromancy.

Also, dude was zombified within the confines of the city of Noxis, and I don't think they have labs the size of that picture to experiment with.

He was, and then he got megaswole because of experiments with necromantic reanimation.

Also yes, Noxus has the space. He's kept in a massive underground catacomb, which is where the reanimation work is conducted.
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Let's talk about the terrain for a second:
https://youtu.be/SK76Ro80z6I?t=169

In order to meet my team, the opposing team will have to traverse that path, the rope bridge, and down into the Mako Reactor, and even if they know exactly where they're going, it's going to take more than 30 seconds. Which means X-Death is going to be X-Dead after getting unfrozen, between Cloud's melee assault and Lilith and Sub-Zero's lockdown.

Speaking of Lilith, let's talk about her for a second. Since she's a Controller, I gave her every talent in the Controller tree, since max level (61) in Borderlands gives you more than enough points to do so. That means Lilith has:
-100% chance to Daze enemies with melee attacks
-100% chance to Daze enemies with Phase Blast (which is an AoE when exiting Phasewalk)
-And each bullet fired has a 25% chance to Daze enemies.

http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Daze#Dazed
Daze probably doesn't perform how you would expect it to - It greatly slows movement speed and reduces accuracy. It also works on robotic enemies like Turrets in Borderlands, meaning Wily and the Mans aren't going to be immune from it either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuJG9sP_hUc
Here's a run with a Lilith with roughly the same talent build - it's a bit hard to tell with all of the chaos going on, but everyone that's glowing orangeish yellow is Dazed. Notice how they move like they're in molasses and are barely hitting Lilith at all (and when they do, her rechargeable shield and Phasewalk regen are enough to bring her back up).

Lilith is armed with several SMGs and a fully automatic sniper rifle (https://youtu.be/8w2KSDvP3xU?t=69) so she should have no trouble locking down the enemy team. And if someone like Diablo tries to gap close, they'll be in a world of hurt between Archer and Cloud's melee skills.
This is also Eridium enhanced Lilith from Borderlands 2, so her regen and powers should be more powerful than what's demonstrated in the videos above.

Finally, here's a quick Archer refresher -
He's got range:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfTGkrSSpZA

He's got melee and midrange:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88eVTO9_IHA

He's got funny quotes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3D7Y_ycSms

(...wait, wrong Archer)

The other team has the numbers, but I don't think anyone has the skill to stand up to Archer, especially with support from Lilith, Cloud and Subby (who probably loses 1v1s here, but can do plenty of annoying ice tricks to keep the enemy off balance).
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Lilith on a motorcycle
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Gotta admit though it's hilarious to imagine Archer just constantly missing easy targets and having no idea why
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Wow that's...

... Actually significantly smaller than I thought the terrain was!

I don't see a world where "everyone takes a ride on Sion, Sion gets there in like fifteen steps at best and using himself as a bridge" isn't a thing. Like most of Mt. Nibel is a vertical climb that Sion's got down just by existing.

X-Death's dead, sure, but then EVERYONE is focused on X-Death before "oh no there's a GIANT-ASS MONSTER here and he brought The Devil, an angry dad who counters Lilith hard, and KUNG FU CUT MAN".
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As people have said 100 times alrdy. Yadda yadda lore write up says as SEEN in League of Legends. Lol.
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I don't buy Sion being Godzilla sized either - that is official Riot lore, but:
KanzarisKelshen posted...

The following conventions are in use for the match topics:
-Supplemental materials are valid sources of feats and hype for any mercenary, but are subject to voter discretion (and may be ignored if they contradict the game). Supplemental materials directly included into the writeup (example: Advent Children Complete for Cloud Strife and Sephiroth) are indisputably valid.

And that definitely contradicts how he's portrayed in game.
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The issue is that it's not really supplementary material rather than "the character's actual lore". It'd be like if you said "Archimonde is as he appears in Warcraft III" and you took him at his in-game model size rather than his fuckhuge size.
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magcargo for mercs
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We have in-game cinematics where Archimonde is about as big as a tree though
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Scale is fucking weird and League is like half website bullshit and cinematics for all of its actual "gauge character" shit. Would find it unfair that certain characters get benefits whilst others do not. What defines "League of Legends" is pretty unfortunately nebulous.

And look I was assured this guy was a kaiju when I got him. I am fine with a hotfix after the fact but bitch is a kaiju right here because of incompetence otherwise >.>
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