Board 8 > A Feast For Crows Mafia: Topic 11- Winter needs to come faster

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htaeD
06/23/17 7:14:57 PM
#101:


also I should add that in my old days I always took notes of games as they went on
just dont have the time for that anymore
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Leafeon13N
06/23/17 7:16:28 PM
#102:


Hah. I beat you to the logic nana.
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Nanahara715
06/23/17 7:17:26 PM
#103:


htaeD posted...
again, if you are only arguing something that annoys you, maybe just drop it Nana


Well at this point, KBM is saying that I "desperately want the posts to not be identical to push my Chris-wrote-the-post-agenda", and this flies in the face of her complaining that "The posts weren't identical".

She can't have it both ways. Either I'm pushing an agenda that they are different, or I'm not. It's not schrodingers argument.

Every single thing I've posted about this post vs notes thing has been that they are the same fucking shit. Her new argument that I'm pushing some secret agenda of wanting them to be different is literally the exact opposite what I've been saying.
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Leafeon13N
06/23/17 7:17:55 PM
#104:


htaeD posted...
also I should add that in my old days I always took notes of games as they went on
just dont have the time for that anymore


My notes got crappier and crappier over time to the point they were a hinderance. I still make them but usually in small instances rather than a log i will keep forever.
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Vengeful_KBM
06/23/17 7:19:04 PM
#105:


The only times I generally take notes are if I end up feeling completely lost at sea in the middle of the game, like I did Day 4.
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htaeD
06/23/17 7:24:06 PM
#106:


frankly I am more surprised there is no argument of 'see KBM makes notes that means he is thinking like town'
or 'those notes are forged to make him look more like town'
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bng_mmmk
06/23/17 7:27:45 PM
#107:


All this talk about notes and whether KBM wrote them and then how she reacted to being accused of not writing them seems ludicrous to me. It's like accusing someone of lying about have a real life obligation, then basing your judgement of them off how they react to that, regardless of whether the real life thing actually happened. It's not really within the spirit of the game and honestly I'm going to stop reading it. .
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Leo3L
06/23/17 7:27:49 PM
#108:


I mean, she only made those notes during N4. It's kind of a null tell. All it really says is she is dedicated enough to put three hours of work into making a post
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Leafeon13N
06/23/17 7:28:04 PM
#109:


I make way more notes as scum because i know everything i say will be scrutinized. And things to use against others later.

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htaeD
06/23/17 7:28:29 PM
#110:


fair enough, I forget its basically what I do regardless of alignment
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Nanahara715
06/23/17 7:29:06 PM
#111:


bng_mmmk posted...
All this talk about notes and whether KBM wrote them and then how she reacted to being accused of not writing them seems ludicrous to me. It's like accusing someone of lying about have a real life obligation, then basing your judgement of them off how they react to that, regardless of whether the real life thing actually happened. It's not really within the spirit of the game and honestly I'm going to stop reading it. .


This isn't anywhere fucking close to what's happening.
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My Immortal
06/23/17 7:30:30 PM
#112:


Leafeon13N posted...
Also is MI gone? He shouldn't be letting us sit here feeding the fire like this.

Hi. Catching up now was at dinner with the hubby
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Leo3L
06/23/17 7:32:20 PM
#113:


"Like, you're literally Chris, I feel like with your encyclopedic memory you should know that was a "one time out of one" deal."

- KBM

"Really? You were never scum in a game I was town other than the game where I was Kratos, God of War?

Also I admit playing in several other communities over the years has dulled my memory a bit, or rather I only have so much memory space. I remembered a long string of games where I cleared you as town though. I hope that happened.

Also this is the type of conversation scum don't have with me, so you're still town. Good looking out, KBM <_<

Sigh, I remember the days where my memory was so crisp people believed me when I said I kept a file on everyone. I am getting old.

Amendment: no way in hell does a scum anyone correct me on that. KBM's still town.

Thanks for the index correction KBM, I will update my mental records."

- Chris
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My Immortal
06/23/17 7:33:00 PM
#114:


Vengeful_KBM posted...
Well and Puns. Puns feels like such a sure thing that I forgot about him and thought I'd listed everybody else in the game.

Speaking of Puns, I'd love to see some up-to-date thoughts from him. Been radio silence there for an awful long time.

So... Anyone but you can be the second scum other than Nana? You don't have ANY town reads?
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bng_mmmk
06/23/17 7:33:01 PM
#115:


Nanahara715 posted...
bng_mmmk posted...
All this talk about notes and whether KBM wrote them and then how she reacted to being accused of not writing them seems ludicrous to me. It's like accusing someone of lying about have a real life obligation, then basing your judgement of them off how they react to that, regardless of whether the real life thing actually happened. It's not really within the spirit of the game and honestly I'm going to stop reading it. .


This isn't anywhere fucking close to what's happening.


Are you sure?

Earlier you made a comment about how Chris probably wrote the post.

Now hours later here we are. Red said the way she reacted to being accused of not writing the notes was suspect. Leo quoted Red and said Scare and Stan agreed with red.

Or are you so busy tunneling you aren't reading anyone but KBM's posts?
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Nanahara715
06/23/17 7:33:43 PM
#116:


htaeD posted...
frankly I am more surprised there is no argument of 'see KBM makes notes that means he is thinking like town'
or 'those notes are forged to make him look more like town'


Seems reasonable.

Notes to post: Omits that MI's information at the end of day-1 is 'easily accessible'.

Her notes say "Worth noting that the people who waited to vote until the end are all town."

but changes it to "Worth noting that the people who waited to vote until the end of the day are a VERY town-heavy list, quite possibly all town.", which is more nebulous and implies less information than her notes.
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Nanahara715
06/23/17 7:35:08 PM
#117:


bng_mmmk posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
bng_mmmk posted...
All this talk about notes and whether KBM wrote them and then how she reacted to being accused of not writing them seems ludicrous to me. It's like accusing someone of lying about have a real life obligation, then basing your judgement of them off how they react to that, regardless of whether the real life thing actually happened. It's not really within the spirit of the game and honestly I'm going to stop reading it. .


This isn't anywhere fucking close to what's happening.


Are you sure?

Earlier you made a comment about how Chris probably wrote the post.

Now hours later here we are. Red said the way she reacted to being accused of not writing the notes was suspect. Leo quoted Red and said Scare and Stan agreed with red.

Or are you so busy tunneling you aren't reading anyone but KBM's posts?


So you're not even reading, cool

I made that comment, then didn't say anything else about the post until KBM doubled down that Shad/Han were protecting me day 1.

She later posts her notes and I say that she's just reposting what she did for the sake of reposting (i.e. "This is literally identical") and she flipped the fuck out.
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bng_mmmk
06/23/17 7:36:13 PM
#118:


Nanahara715 posted...
bng_mmmk posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
bng_mmmk posted...
All this talk about notes and whether KBM wrote them and then how she reacted to being accused of not writing them seems ludicrous to me. It's like accusing someone of lying about have a real life obligation, then basing your judgement of them off how they react to that, regardless of whether the real life thing actually happened. It's not really within the spirit of the game and honestly I'm going to stop reading it. .


This isn't anywhere fucking close to what's happening.


Are you sure?

Earlier you made a comment about how Chris probably wrote the post.

Now hours later here we are. Red said the way she reacted to being accused of not writing the notes was suspect. Leo quoted Red and said Scare and Stan agreed with red.

Or are you so busy tunneling you aren't reading anyone but KBM's posts?


So you're not even reading, cool

I made that comment, then didn't say anything else about the post until KBM doubled down that Shad/Han were protecting me day 1.

She later posts her notes and I say that she's just reposting what she did for the sake of reposting (i.e. "This is literally identical") and she flipped the fuck out.



And you ignore the part about Red/Leo/Scare/Stan entirely because it proves you unequivocally wrong.

"cool"
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My Immortal
06/23/17 7:36:21 PM
#119:


Regardless of alignment, implying someone e else wrote kbms post makes her so angry I'm uncomfortable and it's not really something that should be pressed imo
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Leo3L
06/23/17 7:36:26 PM
#120:


KBM votes Shad, immediately unvotes because he claimed roleblocker
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htaeD
06/23/17 7:37:15 PM
#121:


used he instead of she
stupid finger reflexes
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Nanahara715
06/23/17 7:39:05 PM
#122:


My Immortal posted...
Regardless of alignment, implying someone e else wrote kbms post makes her so angry I'm uncomfortable and it's not really something that should be pressed imo


Doesn't matter whether or not she fucking wrote the fucking post. Her reposting her 'notes' literally means fucking nothing because the content is the exact fucking same.

I'm not voting for her because I think Chris or whoever the fuck wrote the post, I'm voting for her because she's misrepresenting what happened and I posted all about this last topic and prior. If she thinks I'm voting for her because I don't think she wrote the post, that's markedly inaccurate.
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Leo3L
06/23/17 7:40:40 PM
#123:


Through the end of day two. Han and KBM continue to not interact. Very rarely one will mention the other, but they have no interest in chatting or voting or pressing or defending. Even when they are around at the same time.

"Han has struck me as off, but I'm not entirely sure I want to B8 special him either."

Is the total of KBM's Hanpinion at this point.
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VeryInsane
06/23/17 7:42:58 PM
#124:


Leo3L posted...
Through the end of day two. Han and KBM continue to not interact. Very rarely one will mention the other, but they have no interest in chatting or voting or pressing or defending. Even when they are around at the same time.

"Han has struck me as off, but I'm not entirely sure I want to B8 special him either."

Is the total of KBM's Hanpinion at this point.



Part of why I think the last two are MI/Nana is they didn't really interact much with Shad/Chris/Han
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VeryInsane
06/23/17 7:43:10 PM
#125:


MI/KBM, rather
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Leo3L
06/23/17 7:43:34 PM
#126:


This may mean something regarding KBM thinking the second scum is literally any other living player:

"As I said, it's entirely possible I might be overthinking it with that particular line of reasoning, but I still don't think a Red/Chris scumteam makes too much sense. Things wouldn't have happened the way they did. Tonally it's just all wrong."
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Leo3L
06/23/17 7:44:25 PM
#127:


VeryInsane posted...
Leo3L posted...
Through the end of day two. Han and KBM continue to not interact. Very rarely one will mention the other, but they have no interest in chatting or voting or pressing or defending. Even when they are around at the same time.

"Han has struck me as off, but I'm not entirely sure I want to B8 special him either."

Is the total of KBM's Hanpinion at this point.



Part of why I think the last two are MI/KBM is they didn't really interact much with Shad/Chris/Han


Yeah man, I'm past topic 7 pursuing this line of thought. That's why you're my town buddy slash hated mafia rival
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My Immortal
06/23/17 7:44:55 PM
#128:


bng_mmmk posted...
Leo3L posted...
Leo3L posted...
Leo3L posted...
If the scum team was Red/Nana, it could have been town KBM mislynched over Han pretty easily.


I mean, you just gun this, right? It's pretty defensible, who's going to be that mad KBM got mislynched?

3 vs 5, MYLO today, try to win on power paranoia?


I don't think I got any satisfactory arguments against this.

I might have missed this because I keep accidentally ignoring MI though!


Why not lynch Han and get credit for it? He had town gunning for him already and wasn't particularly stellar as scum this game, tbh. KBM doesn't become harder to lynch. And as Nana himself pointed out, Tracker was definitely expendable.

Or maybe I'm wrong and it really is Nana/MI or Nana/death.

I think this doesn't counter Leo's point.

If it was Nana/Death or Nana/MI why didn't we push for KBM yesterday when Han was up for lynch.

Who was actually on KBM at EOD yesterday
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Leo3L
06/23/17 7:46:07 PM
#129:


"It's not a bus driver claim

Margary Tyrell, Jack with a bus drive used to protect Stan which failed because persistent and I'm mad my power was so easily countered"

Is it a logical leap for town to assume persistent specifically is the reason that Stan died? I know I didn't know what that modifier meant before VI quoted it from 2016 mafia.
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Leafeon13N
06/23/17 7:46:54 PM
#130:


Leo are we set on KBM?

My time is just about out
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bng_mmmk
06/23/17 7:46:57 PM
#131:


My Immortal posted...
bng_mmmk posted...
Leo3L posted...
Leo3L posted...
Leo3L posted...
If the scum team was Red/Nana, it could have been town KBM mislynched over Han pretty easily.


I mean, you just gun this, right? It's pretty defensible, who's going to be that mad KBM got mislynched?

3 vs 5, MYLO today, try to win on power paranoia?


I don't think I got any satisfactory arguments against this.

I might have missed this because I keep accidentally ignoring MI though!


Why not lynch Han and get credit for it? He had town gunning for him already and wasn't particularly stellar as scum this game, tbh. KBM doesn't become harder to lynch. And as Nana himself pointed out, Tracker was definitely expendable.

Or maybe I'm wrong and it really is Nana/MI or Nana/death.

I think this doesn't counter Leo's point.

If it was Nana/Death or Nana/MI why didn't we push for KBM yesterday when Han was up for lynch.

Who was actually on KBM at EOD yesterday


Uh, what? Leo was talking about if the team is Nana/Red.

KBM voters were Han and Death I think.
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Leo3L
06/23/17 7:47:47 PM
#132:


Leafeon13N posted...
Leo are we set on KBM?

My time is just about out


Yes
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htaeD
06/23/17 7:51:18 PM
#133:


yeah I was a KBM voter
still am feeling that lynch more
even though I sympathize on the note-argument front
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My Immortal
06/23/17 7:51:35 PM
#134:


Leo3L posted...
I imagine this weird notes argument is way easier to defend against than the undefendable "never interacted with Han" argument

See I feel like this asinine argument looks better for KBM. Nana keeps prodding over stupid things. Nana's acting like he doesn't understand KBM's point about why they look similar, Nana doesn't understand that Chris claiming vig is painting a target on his back. He's posting the most he has all game, but he doesn't seem to actually be reading / ingesting any information.
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htaeD
06/23/17 7:52:43 PM
#135:


allthough I dont see if red is asking Leo to rush the lynch or just to reassure himself that Leo will vote KBM
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My Immortal
06/23/17 7:53:03 PM
#136:


Leo3L posted...
Leafeon13N posted...
Now, i cant find the exact post but... Kbm got really mad when nana insinuated that another scum was typing her words for her.

I can't help but feel there may have been some slip there.

Leafeon13N posted...
Vengeful_KBM posted...
Leafeon13N posted...
Leafeon13N posted...
Now, i cant find the exact post but... Kbm got really mad when nana insinuated that another scum was typing her words for her.

I can't help but feel there may have been some slip there.


Not rehash old wounds but im bringing this up again.


Do you want the rest of my raw notes? That took three hours straight of work. No one fucking wrote it for me.


Im not saying someone wrote it for you. I'm saying the idea that someone wrote it for you should be absurd because if you are town there is no one to write it for you. But the angle of your anger somewhat implies differently.


Scare and Stan really like Red for making these posts because Scare had similar thoughts he could not articulate.

I don't really get the difference in saying 'no one wrote this for me'. It's factual true as scum or town. Saying 'there's no one to write this for me' sounds... fake.
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Leo3L
06/23/17 7:53:31 PM
#137:


One could argue that only Town gets this stubbornly invested in such a weak argument that clearly isn't providing any benefit to his cause whatsoever.

If the goal is getting KBM lynched, you must needs only parrot me here
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Leafeon13N
06/23/17 7:53:31 PM
#138:


Leo3L posted...
Leafeon13N posted...
Leo are we set on KBM?

My time is just about out


Yes


K
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VeryInsane
06/23/17 7:54:05 PM
#139:


MI I forget apart from Nana who else do you think is scum
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Leo3L
06/23/17 7:54:24 PM
#140:


htaeD posted...
allthough I dont see if red is asking Leo to rush the lynch or just to reassure himself that Leo will vote KBM


But I've been voting KBM all along
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Nanahara715
06/23/17 7:54:49 PM
#141:


My Immortal posted...
Leo3L posted...
I imagine this weird notes argument is way easier to defend against than the undefendable "never interacted with Han" argument

See I feel like this asinine argument looks better for KBM. Nana keeps prodding over stupid things. Nana's acting like he doesn't understand KBM's point about why they look similar, Nana doesn't understand that Chris claiming vig is painting a target on his back. He's posting the most he has all game, but he doesn't seem to actually be reading / ingesting any information.


What the literal fuck.

I understand why they look similar. I'm not the one arguing that they are different. I fucking called them identical. KBM is the one who took issue with me calling them identical because "she reformatted and changed language".

I understand that Chris claiming a vig is painting a target, but it was a vig claim that was impossible to catch him targeting the cop. Yes it painted a target on his back, so "why would scum do that?" etc.

Saying I'm not ingesting information is a load of crock coming from you when you literally posted that my analysis on KBM's statements checked out last topic.
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htaeD
06/23/17 7:55:57 PM
#142:


Leo3L posted...
htaeD posted...
allthough I dont see if red is asking Leo to rush the lynch or just to reassure himself that Leo will vote KBM


But I've been voting KBM all along


ohright
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htaeD
06/23/17 7:56:14 PM
#143:


Leo3L posted...
htaeD posted...
allthough I dont see if red is asking Leo to rush the lynch or just to reassure himself that Leo will vote KBM


But I've been voting KBM all along


ohright

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bng_mmmk
06/23/17 7:56:51 PM
#144:


I really don't trust red right now.
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htaeD
06/23/17 7:57:20 PM
#145:


how does that even happen?
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bng_mmmk
06/23/17 7:59:27 PM
#146:


Leafeon13N posted...
Now, i cant find the exact post but... Kbm got really mad when nana insinuated that another scum was typing her words for her.

I can't help but feel there may have been some slip there.

Leafeon13N posted...
Leafeon13N posted...
Now, i cant find the exact post but... Kbm got really mad when nana insinuated that another scum was typing her words for her.

I can't help but feel there may have been some slip there.


Not rehash old wounds but im bringing this up again.

Leafeon13N posted...
Im not saying someone wrote it for you. I'm saying the idea that someone wrote it for you should be absurd because if you are town there is no one to write it for you. But the angle of your anger somewhat implies differently.

Leafeon13N posted...
I have no doubt. My only question is does it touch a stronger nerve because there actually is another out there to write it?


Leafeon13N posted...
Apologies i did not intend to start this again.

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My Immortal
06/23/17 7:59:54 PM
#147:


Leo3L posted...
"It's not a bus driver claim

Margary Tyrell, Jack with a bus drive used to protect Stan which failed because persistent and I'm mad my power was so easily countered"

Is it a logical leap for town to assume persistent specifically is the reason that Stan died? I know I didn't know what that modifier meant before VI quoted it from 2016 mafia.

Why else would Stan have been the one who died?
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Leo3L
06/23/17 8:00:57 PM
#148:


"We still have a very good day 1 lynch to observe (as well as a good day 2 lynch to parse through). Taking a look back through my notes of day 1 lynch here.

Red - Was on FFD the whole time. Felt genuine, and Chris made it pretty well-known that this was Town Red. Tunneled the whole day then tried to act like I wasn't being active when I went for twice as many targets as he did day 1.

Death - When FFD was just a person with one vote, Death chose FFD from a pool of 4. His argument for FFD over puns was that he 'felt more life' from puns which, while true, is basically what FFD ended up being lynched for. An easy reason to lynch somebody that is hard to argue against.

Leo - When FFD was just a person with two votes, Leo put his vote on which made FFD a real lynch. Though red and Death were on FFD before, Leo set the ball in motion that led to his death. Leo later unvoted FFD (why?) to hop on the dowolf train (another confirmed Town), but then ended day by hopping on FFD (protects puns from being lynched?).

KBM - was one of my first suspicions in the first day, particularly for how she hopped on Nana, the 'easy' lynch. KBM actually said she was ninja'd be Leo in voting FFD, but both of them together (soon to be followed by Scare) set FFD up to be end day lynched. KBM also didn't respond when VI said her Scum game was good.

The FFD lynch was really bad, in the sense that people hopping on it didn't have to do any work. They didn't have to fight for it because FFD hadn't been around and participating, so it was a really easy lynch to pull off. Even when FFD showed up, it stayed just as easy because of FFD's attitude.

JZ - looked pretty Scummy for the way he hopped on FFD's train but unless Scum had two shots on Chris, I don't see an explanation for JZ being Scum. Just the typical new player messing with gut.

MI/VI - MI was the one who put up the alternative 3rd lynch on dowolf and was followed by VI, so they both fall under the umbrella of "avoiding the lynch". MI seemed a lot more Townish than VI did day 1 (and 2 for that matter!).

puns - Day 1 lynch would be a lot easier to parse through if puns was dead. Thought puns was Scum but gut hasn't been good this game so idk.

Nana - awkwardly showed up at the end to put a vote on puns, but even admitted it was a useless vote because puns still hadn't switched to FFD yet. My gut felt good about Nana all day 1 because he didn't let newness keep him from going after JZ, but now knowing that JZ is by all means confirmed...



If Hangut is to be trusted:
puns/Leo/KBM

If Hangut is not to be trusted:
Red/Nana/MI


Occulam's says that Death is just being RB-locked. I think Leo is lying and is either Scum or Indy (Scum makes more sense for sneaking in the "/the survivor" into that post, so that he can later claim it if he has Jack/Thief fear). I also don't think that Leo didn't recruit Stan.


In order of preference of lynches:
Nana/Red/KBM
puns/VI
Leo/Death/MI
Han
JZ


It's not a strict order, but I think for sure we have one Scum between Nana and KBM, and I feel really uneasy about Red being on FFD from the beginning. puns/VI lynches reveal a lot and they've both looked awful in their own ways this game.

If Leo is Town and still recruiting, then Scum would be convinced to RB him and shoot Death (if Death is Town). With the flavor split revealed, Thief is dangerous to Scum."

Han posted this before he completely rolled over, may be interesting. Or maybe he already gave up on life at this point.
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My Immortal
06/23/17 8:01:23 PM
#149:


VeryInsane posted...
MI I forget apart from Nana who else do you think is scum

I'm thinking Nana/Red. Nana/KBM just doesn't feel right to me -- not just because of today but re-reading the end of D1 they were interacting weirdly too
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bng_mmmk
06/23/17 8:01:43 PM
#150:


Leafeon13N posted...
Leo3L posted...
Leafeon13N posted...
Leo are we set on KBM?

My time is just about out


Yes


K
vote: kbm


##Unvote
##Vote: Red


That is a heart vote. I think KBM's a fall [guy] here and red is manipulating the lynch.
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