Board 8 > A Feast For Crows Mafia: Topic 11- Winter needs to come faster

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htaeD posted...

allthough I dont see if red is asking Leo to rush the lynch or just to reassure himself that Leo will vote KBM

Red asking there feels like asking permission more than anything.
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well actually I think the phrase fall guy implies a bad person who takes the fall for other bad guys but you get what I mean.
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Wow lol I'm getting set up HARD here by scum. I'll be on my computer in a bit and able to properly respond, but this is pretty transparent now. Hell Chris was probably TRYING to make me look bad in case he died.

and yes, I've made it this far into the game before as town but not without some sort of informative power unless I'm very much mistaken. I have ALWAYS hated vanilla, and there are people here who should remember this if their memory of my play from years ago is as good as they claim.

This is still the weirdest KBM reaction D4
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Turbo who do you think is red's partner then?
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eugh, its way too deep into the night for me to process a red angle now
even if I did catch a glimpse of red distrust

but would he be so openly eager as scum?
I dont know
I am still going with my own gut on this

##Vote: KBM
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bng_mmmk posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Leo3L posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Leo are we set on KBM?

My time is just about out

Yes

K
vote: kbm

##Unvote
##Vote: Red

That is a heart vote. I think KBM's a fall [guy] here and red is manipulating the lynch.

Why would you not keep voting Nana if this is where your head is at? Do you think everyone voting Nana is going to lynch Red instead? Like if saving KBM is the goal, this heart vote makes no sense >_>
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My Immortal posted...

VeryInsane posted...

MI I forget apart from Nana who else do you think is scum

I'm thinking Nana/Red. Nana/KBM just doesn't feel right to me -- not just because of today but re-reading the end of D1 they were interacting weirdly too

Ok, I remembered earlier in the day you were thinking Nana/KBM and now with your recent posts you are defending her like one of your strongest Town reads and that threw me off

What exactly about red do you dislike?
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but at least at even non-MYLO numbers, my vote cant doom us all accidentally

I am out everyone
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Leo3L posted...

Wow lol I'm getting set up HARD here by scum. I'll be on my computer in a bit and able to properly respond, but this is pretty transparent now. Hell Chris was probably TRYING to make me look bad in case he died.

and yes, I've made it this far into the game before as town but not without some sort of informative power unless I'm very much mistaken. I have ALWAYS hated vanilla, and there are people here who should remember this if their memory of my play from years ago is as good as they claim.

This is still the weirdest KBM reaction D4

Caps are disingenuous am I right
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htaeD posted...

eugh, its way too deep into the night for me to process a red angle now
even if I did catch a glimpse of red distrust

but would he be so openly eager as scum?
I dont know
I am still going with my own gut on this

##Vote: KBM

If you have red distrust why would you vote with red!
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[4] KBM: Nana, Leo, Red, Death
[2] Nana: KBM, (Leo), (MI), (puns), MI
[1] red: puns
[0] MI: (Leo), (Nana)

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch! Day ends on Today at 9 PM (About 2 hours)
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VeryInsane posted...

Leo3L posted...

Wow lol I'm getting set up HARD here by scum. I'll be on my computer in a bit and able to properly respond, but this is pretty transparent now. Hell Chris was probably TRYING to make me look bad in case he died.

and yes, I've made it this far into the game before as town but not without some sort of informative power unless I'm very much mistaken. I have ALWAYS hated vanilla, and there are people here who should remember this if their memory of my play from years ago is as good as they claim.

This is still the weirdest KBM reaction D4

Caps are disingenuous am I right

cApS aRe dIsInGeNuOuS
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Leo3L posted...

Why would you not keep voting Nana if this is where your head is at? Do you think everyone voting Nana is going to lynch Red instead? Like if saving KBM is the goal, this heart vote makes no sense >_>

I'm not going anywhere
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My Immortal posted...

htaeD posted...

eugh, its way too deep into the night for me to process a red angle now
even if I did catch a glimpse of red distrust

but would he be so openly eager as scum?
I dont know
I am still going with my own gut on this

##Vote: KBM

If you have red distrust why would you vote with red!

because a glimpse is not that strong

certainly not enough to redeem KBM
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I honestly am thinking scum is all in on Nana right now
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that said, talking with red during this time should be essential
just cant force myself to stay up anylonger
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VeryInsane posted...

My Immortal posted...

VeryInsane posted...

MI I forget apart from Nana who else do you think is scum

I'm thinking Nana/Red. Nana/KBM just doesn't feel right to me -- not just because of today but re-reading the end of D1 they were interacting weirdly too

Ok, I remembered earlier in the day you were thinking Nana/KBM and now with your recent posts you are defending her like one of your strongest Town reads and that threw me off

What exactly about red do you dislike?

I feel like he hasn't done anything. Even re-reading he made a couple mentions of wanting to lynch Han, but he never votes or pursues it or does anything. He comes in, makes a couple comments, and leaves. Minimal interactions / discussions / impact on the game.

Plus he made a comment of suspecting me today since I am suspecting him, and when asked point blank he said there's no reason to think he's scum. That feels fake to me - I don't think a single person trusts red in this game. Even those who are theorizing scum teams he's not on, if one of your pieces is wrong I think red is the next logical choice for most of you. But he thinks we should all think he's clearly 100% town? I don't think anyone would think that as town - especially as a vanilla who hasn't done anything.
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Puns - Probably town. The optics of the game have just worked better the whole time when I've made that assumption.

Han - I... don't know. He's seemed pointlessly irritable the whole game but I can't tell if it's an act or just "Han feeling irritable". No read.

Death - My gut earlier said that he was scum. He's my probable "sixth man" if we're assuming a six-man scumteam, but I could just as easily see him being town.

Jeff - Almost certainly town, unless Jeff shooting Chris was some kind of insane scum gambit to vindicate Jeff through to the end of the game. That small possibility keeps nagging at me, but that's something to pursue later (if there even is a later; I'm dreading this being a lylo situation).

Red - Probably scum. This is a gut feeling.

Leo - I have been mostly taking his claim as read, which is a read that only becomes stronger when MI tries to take it apart (see below). Town.

MI - Trying to spin my interactions with Chris into largely nonsensical points against me. I have said several times that my and Chris' interactions make sense regardless of our alignment so trying to pigeon-hole me into an alignment based on those interactions just because we have a flip on him is foolish. As I have said, I was prodding Chris a whole bunch of different ways to see how he would react, and had some material ready to use it against him on D3 so I could provide something. This admittedly looks horrible for me since I never got to use it and wasn't free apart from that, but there you go. I'm not entirely accustomed to him dying on N2 (although, again, my memory, I'm sure it's happened.) The icing on top of all of this is that to have a Jack on top of everything just feels like the last straw on the camel's back in terms of "power overload". My strongest scum read.

Nana - Town. I've seen nothing to change my mind back to my original read here - likely town Puns saying one of the two of us has to be scum doesn't really change that either, as I have to go with how I feel. He seems to genuine and too earnest in his cluelessness to be anything else (and if you are scum, well, you've played a surprisingly good game so good on you, but you're certainly not my target for today even though you probably expect to be).

VI - Pushing me very hard all of a sudden. I'm starting to think Chris might have been trying to pull one of his patented "lynches on a scum mate to make himself look better" with his insistence on the VI lynch at the end of Day 2.

KBM "pre retcon" opinions for convenience.
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VeryInsane posted...

I honestly am thinking scum is all in on Nana right now

they didnt shoot me for a reason I feel
besides Jeff technically being more confirmed
and it feels like scum wanting to have as many mislynches as possible
which makes me think the scum arent all hiding in unobvious players like say VI or Puns
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htaeD posted...

that said, talking with red during this time should be essential
just cant force myself to stay up anylonger

Well red's not here either.
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VeryInsane posted...

I honestly am thinking scum is all in on Nana right now

Yeah, I have to agree with this, but I can't fathom why I'm the hill they've chosen to die on.
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My Immortal posted...

VeryInsane posted...

My Immortal posted...

VeryInsane posted...

MI I forget apart from Nana who else do you think is scum

I'm thinking Nana/Red. Nana/KBM just doesn't feel right to me -- not just because of today but re-reading the end of D1 they were interacting weirdly too

Ok, I remembered earlier in the day you were thinking Nana/KBM and now with your recent posts you are defending her like one of your strongest Town reads and that threw me off

What exactly about red do you dislike?

I feel like he hasn't done anything. Even re-reading he made a couple mentions of wanting to lynch Han, but he never votes or pursues it or does anything. He comes in, makes a couple comments, and leaves. Minimal interactions / discussions / impact on the game.

Plus he made a comment of suspecting me today since I am suspecting him, and when asked point blank he said there's no reason to think he's scum. That feels fake to me - I don't think a single person trusts red in this game. Even those who are theorizing scum teams he's not on, if one of your pieces is wrong I think red is the next logical choice for most of you. But he thinks we should all think he's clearly 100% town? I don't think anyone would think that as town - especially as a vanilla who hasn't done anything.

To be fair, how many of us left apart from Leo/Puns have really done all that much?
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Does anyone remember when MI started liking KBM? I guess I'll get there within the hour anyway

MI

My list is pretty similar to Turbo's.

Won't lynch: Jeff, Death, VI, turbo

Could lynch: Leo if what he is saying doesn't end up matching up enough to appease people

Would lynch: KBM, Han, Nana

I want to do some re-reads of those 3 when I have more time though. Nana's probably the right call - he's done stuff I like but the stuff he does is so sporadic which I've been saying since D1 is a scum Nana trait. But then I keep getting distracted by other stuff.

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Thinking scum would link themselves so hard today seems like a simplistic thought.

RuPaul season finale! Back in an hour.
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Leo3L posted...

Does anyone remember when MI started liking KBM? I guess I'll get there within the hour anyway

it's even less of a like and more of a 'dislike Nana more and can't see KBM/Nana as teammates'
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KBM voters: who do you lynch tomorrow if she flips town?

Leo I'm reading your research but I like my soul-gazing in the moment reads better than a lack of meaningful interaction with dead scum. Like that's literally the easiest and laziest way a scum could set up a mislynch, and I think Han and Shad were both lazy scum. Shad moreso.
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Leo3L posted...

Does anyone remember when MI started liking KBM? I guess I'll get there within the hour anyway

MI

My list is pretty similar to Turbo's.

Won't lynch: Jeff, Death, VI, turbo

Could lynch: Leo if what he is saying doesn't end up matching up enough to appease people

Would lynch: KBM, Han, Nana

I want to do some re-reads of those 3 when I have more time though. Nana's probably the right call - he's done stuff I like but the stuff he does is so sporadic which I've been saying since D1 is a scum Nana trait. But then I keep getting distracted by other stuff.

Like, this topic? He had KBM as the 'second player he would lynch after Nana" at the start of the day, then unvoted me and 'entertained KBM', then went back to voting and pushing for me.
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My Immortal posted...

Thinking scum would link themselves so hard today seems like a simplistic thought.

RuPaul season finale! Back in an hour.

I mean, if you're scum with KBM, you have to say this, right?
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bng_mmmk posted...

KBM voters: who do you lynch tomorrow if she flips town?

Leo I'm reading your research but I like my soul-gazing in the moment reads better than a lack of meaningful interaction with dead scum. Like that's literally the easiest and laziest way a scum could set up a mislynch, and I think Han and Shad were both lazy scum. Shad moreso.

Vote Nana probably

...Are you saying scum set up KBM by purposefully not talking to KBM with the goal of a town player digging into the archive to look to see who they interacted with? o_O

Also, I did the same thing for ammunition to lynch Han and that worked out fine
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bng_mmmk posted...

KBM voters: who do you lynch tomorrow if she flips town?

Leo I'm reading your research but I like my soul-gazing in the moment reads better than a lack of meaningful interaction with dead scum. Like that's literally the easiest and laziest way a scum could set up a mislynch, and I think Han and Shad were both lazy scum. Shad moreso.

Good question, maybe Nana? But I just don't feel it, and haven't felt it since like Day 2 or so
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I'm more or less caught up to the present day and now I'm bored of reading old posts
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Leo3L posted...

bng_mmmk posted...

KBM voters: who do you lynch tomorrow if she flips town?

Leo I'm reading your research but I like my soul-gazing in the moment reads better than a lack of meaningful interaction with dead scum. Like that's literally the easiest and laziest way a scum could set up a mislynch, and I think Han and Shad were both lazy scum. Shad moreso.

Vote Nana probably

...Are you saying scum set up KBM by purposefully not talking to KBM with the goal of a town player digging into the archive to look to see who they interacted with? o_O

Also, I did the same thing for ammunition to lynch Han and that worked out fine

Not saying it's a Trademarked Master Plan or anything, but she's the type of player who scum wouldn't need to worry about in the early game.
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So there's pretty much nothing left I can say in my own defense that hasn't already been said, it seems like. I trust people will go after Nana after I flip and grill Red hard.

I'm still disappointed by your laziness Leo but I understand it since it seems the mason board is basically just acting as a 'confirmation bias' echo chamber.

Vengeful_KBM posted...

I'm still disappointed by your laziness Leo but I understand it since it seems the mason board is basically just acting as a 'confirmation bias' echo chamber.

I mean, the man is going through every single post, I can't see how you can call him lazy
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Nanahara715 posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

I'm still disappointed by your laziness Leo but I understand it since it seems the mason board is basically just acting as a 'confirmation bias' echo chamber.

I mean, the man is going through every single post, I can't see how you can call him lazy

I did the same and you've done it plenty.

[4] KBM: Nana, Leo, red, death
[2] Nana: KBM, (Leo), (MI), (puns), MI
[1] red: puns
[0] MI: (Leo), (Nana)

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch! Day ends on Today at 9 PM (About 90 minutes from now)
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Like, I realize he's doing legwork but he's not getting anything new or interesting out of it either. That's the lazy part.

Well let's hope my gut is wrong. Kinda miss my college days when I would just spend 8 hours a day on a game and have read every post like 3 times by the end of it.


I think red is a crafty player who has only ever been called town for making good points about things, but he hasn't really made any noise or done any leading and nothing I can point to says "oh yeah, he's town." Like he was an early FFD supporter, was kinda later on Han, though not as late as Nana, and the way he's approached KBM today sketches me out. Like he went and found a hatchet that had been buried, dug it up, stuck it in her gut, and then went "Oops!" when she screamed. Then got a nod from Leo to vote and left. And nobody seems to care that he's a storied player who at this point seems set to survive until the end and has the "If I was scum with Chris this is totally not what I would do" narrative going.


Nana I think is his most likely partner, so a Nana lynch is most likely OK tomorrow if KBM flips town. And if KBM does flip scum I will feel a whole lot better about red.
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

I'm still disappointed by your laziness Leo but I understand it since it seems the mason board is basically just acting as a 'confirmation bias' echo chamber.

I mean, the man is going through every single post, I can't see how you can call him lazy

I did the same and you've done it plenty.

I certainly didn't call you lazy.
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*rolls eyes*

Sticks and stones, KBM
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Hey I didn't mean it as an insult, I'm just saying I'm disappointed in the conclusion you came to.

You know, I remember Red from GOT3 getting MLd day 2 and not really doing anything.

He got MLd day 1 in whatever flavor that was and it's really bothering me I can't remember.

Aaaand Red was in Chrono Cross mafia and bossed it up as PGO Backup but still survived until the last night.
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Nanahara715 posted...

You know, I remember Red from GOT3 getting MLd day 2 and not really doing anything.

He got MLd day 1 in whatever flavor that was and it's really bothering me I can't remember.

Aaaand Red was in Chrono Cross mafia and bossed it up as PGO Backup but still survived until the last night.

Turbopuns was the flavor
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VeryInsane posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

You know, I remember Red from GOT3 getting MLd day 2 and not really doing anything.

He got MLd day 1 in whatever flavor that was and it's really bothering me I can't remember.

Aaaand Red was in Chrono Cross mafia and bossed it up as PGO Backup but still survived until the last night.

Turbopuns was the flavor

AH, yes
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

So there's pretty much nothing left I can say in my own defense that hasn't already been said, it seems like. I trust people will go after Nana after I flip and grill Red hard.

You've indicated that you think everyone could be my scum partner - why single out Red here?
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Because he's been the most enthusiastic about my lynch today, save you and (arguably) Leo (who I believe is misguided town).

It's worth grilling someone over when they continually push mislynches the way he has.

So do you guys think scum Nana flips the table the way he did against Chris Day 1?

Like I'm sorry if I'm asking a trillion questions but it's how I get thoughts out and reads but I don't think my mind is really changing as Day concludes
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