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UnfairRepresent 07/20/17 4:13:14 PM #1:	The BBC is facing a backlash from female stars over pay after revealing that only a third of its 96 top earners are women and the top seven are all men. Chris Evans is the BBC’s best-paid star, collecting at least £2.2m in the last financial year according to an unprecedented list of top earners published by the corporation on Wednesday that revealed a significant gender imbalance. The best-paid female star, Claudia Winkleman, was paid just a fifth of what Evans collected £450,000 Alex Jones, presenter of The One Show, is the only other female star to be paid more than £400,000 by the BBC, while 12 men are paid more than that amount. Clare Balding, the sports presenter, received about a tenth of Gary Lineker’s pay, earning £150,999–£199,999 compared with his £1.75m–£1.79m. Graham Norton was paid £850,000–£899,999 according to the list, but this does not include proceeds from The Graham Norton Show, which is made by an independent production company and is thought to take his earnings above £2.5m. There are some high-profile female absentees from the list of actors, presenters, journalists and panellists who were paid more than £150,000 in the last year. Emily Maitlis, the news presenter, Sarah Montague, the presenter of the Today programme on Radio 4, and Louise Minchin, who presents BBC Breakfast, earn £150,000 a year or less, according to the disclosure. This is despite their co-presenters on BBC shows making the list, including John Humphrys, who presents Today and Mastermind and was paid £600,000–£649,999. Harriet Harman, the Labour MP, said there was “clearly discrimination” at the BBC and that the corporation needed to change. “It is very important that the lid has been lifted on this pay discrimination in the BBC,” Harman, the longest-serving female MP, told BBC News. “Although everybody will think it is very unfair and outrageous, this is a moment when it can be sorted out. “The BBC needs to set an example. This is public money and people don’t want their money to be spent unfairly. Public money shouldn’t be spent in a way which is discriminatory. When you look at the structure and the pay, it is clearly discrimination. Now that it is out in the open, it will have to change.” Theresa May, the prime minister who is also female, accused the BBC of paying women less than men for doing the same job. “I think what has happened today is we have seen the way the BBC is paying women less for doing the same job as the men. I want to see women paid equally with men' Agents for a group of the BBC’s female stars are understood to be preparing to demand that the corporation’s bosses offer their clients a pay rise. Lawyers have also warned that the BBC faces sexual discrimination lawsuits. Keely Rushmore, senior associate at SA Law, said: “The statistics could well lead to claims of sex discrimination by female stars. The BBC will need to show that the difference in pay is not directly on the grounds of sex, but also that – to the extent that it asserts it relates to other factors such as viewers’ demands and preferences – the differential treatment is justified.” The BBC fought against the list being published, claiming that it would create a “poacher’s charter” and drive up salaries in the media industry, but it was forced to by the government as part of its new 11-year royal charter. Asked whether the BBC was expecting legal action over the gender pay gap, Tony Hall, the director general, said: “We will be working carefully and managing our relationship with the talent on which we depend. That’s a job we have got to do. I want to get the very best talent working for the BBC and the best relationships with them.” --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:883282498] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote>The BBC is facing a backlash from female stars over pay after revealing that only a third of its 96 top earners are women and the top seven are all men. Chris Evans is the BBC’s best-paid star, collecting at least £2.2m in the last financial year according to an unprecedented list of top earners published by the corporation on Wednesday that revealed a significant gender imbalance. The best-paid female star, Claudia Winkleman, was paid just a fifth of what Evans collected £450,000 Alex Jones, presenter of The One Show, is the only other female star to be paid more than £400,000 by the BBC, while 12 men are paid more than that amount. Clare Balding, the sports presenter, received about a tenth of Gary Lineker’s pay, earning £150,999–£199,999 compared with his £1.75m–£1.79m. Graham Norton was paid £850,000–£899,999 according to the list, but this does not include proceeds from The Graham Norton Show, which is made by an independent production company and is thought to take his earnings above £2.5m. There are some high-profile female absentees from the list of actors, presenters, journalists and panellists who were paid more than £150,000 in the last year. Emily Maitlis, the news presenter, Sarah Montague, the presenter of the Today programme on Radio 4, and Louise Minchin, who presents BBC Breakfast, earn £150,000 a year or less, according to the disclosure. This is despite their co-presenters on BBC shows making the list, including John Humphrys, who presents Today and Mastermind and was paid £600,000–£649,999. Harriet Harman, the Labour MP, said there was “clearly discrimination” at the BBC and that the corporation needed to change. “It is very important that the lid has been lifted on this pay discrimination in the BBC,” Harman, the longest-serving female MP, told BBC News. “Although everybody will think it is very unfair and outrageous, this is a moment when it can be sorted out. “The BBC needs to set an example. This is public money and people don’t want their money to be spent unfairly. Public money shouldn’t be spent in a way which is discriminatory. When you look at the structure and the pay, it is clearly discrimination. Now that it is out in the open, it will have to change.” Theresa May, the prime minister who is also female, accused the BBC of paying women less than men for doing the same job. “I think what has happened today is we have seen the way the BBC is paying women less for doing the same job as the men. I want to see women paid equally with men' Agents for a group of the BBC’s female stars are understood to be preparing to demand that the corporation’s bosses offer their clients a pay rise. Lawyers have also warned that the BBC faces sexual discrimination lawsuits. Keely Rushmore, senior associate at SA Law, said: “The statistics could well lead to claims of sex discrimination by female stars. The BBC will need to show that the difference in pay is not directly on the grounds of sex, but also that – to the extent that it asserts it relates to other factors such as viewers’ demands and preferences – the differential treatment is justified.” The BBC fought against the list being published, claiming that it would create a “poacher’s charter” and drive up salaries in the media industry, but it was forced to by the government as part of its new 11-year royal charter. Asked whether the BBC was expecting legal action over the gender pay gap, Tony Hall, the director general, said: “We will be working carefully and managing our relationship with the talent on which we depend. That’s a job we have got to do. I want to get the very best talent working for the BBC and the best relationships with them.”</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 07/20/17 4:13:56 PM #2:	Hall insisted the BBC was 'more diverse than the broadcasting industry and the civil service”, but admitted there was more to do following the pay disclosure. “I feel reinvigorated in one of the things I really believe, which is getting by 2020 equality on the air between men and women and in pay as well However, Jane Garvey, the BBC radio presenter, hinted on Twitter at the frustration within the corporation. Garvey, who was also not on the list, said: “I’m looking forward to presenting BBC Woman’s Hour today. We’ll be discussing #genderpaygap. As we’ve done since 1946. Going well, isn’t it?” Maitlis and Montague both retweeted Garvey’s comment. Jeremy Vine, the radio presenter and the BBC’s fourth-best paid star, on £700,000 to £749,999 , admitted the organisation was “really hurting” following the revelations. Humphrys supported the disclosures, but said he was “not happy” that his female colleagues on the Today programme, Montague and Mishal Husain, who was paid £200,000 to £249,999, were not among the top 10 highest paid. Referring to his female colleagues, Humphrys said: “I’m not happy with that. I don’t think that is right.” Asked on Radio 4’s Media Show whether he was worth his salary, Humphrys said: “If you compare me with lots of other people – a doctor who saves a child’s life, a nurse who comforts a dying person, or a fireman who rushes into Grenfell Tower – then of course you couldn’t argue that I am not worth twopence halfpenny. “However, we operate in a marketplace, and I think I provide a fairly useful service. Somebody has to do the job of trying to hold power to account and speak the truth about all that stuff.” The BBC has published the list of stars in £50,000 bands. It does not include payments to staff from production companies or BBC Worldwide, which generates commercial revenues. This means some high-profile BBC figures are not included, such as the stars of The Great British Bake Off, Sherlock star Benedict Cumberbatch, and Sir David Attenborough. However, programmes produced by the BBC, including EastEnders, Casualty, and Strictly Come Dancing, are included. Evans’s work for the BBC in the past year included his Radio 2 breakfast show and Top Gear. He is understood to have received extra payments for presenting Top Gear from BBC Worldwide that are not included in this list. Evans said on Wednesday that it was “on balance right and proper” that the BBC made the disclosure. Among the actors on the list, Derek Thompson, who plays Charlie Fairhead in Casualty, was the best paid. He received £350,000 to £399,999 in the last year. In entertainment, the judges of Strictly Come Dancing were all paid more than £150,000. Len Goodman and Bruno Tonioli were paid £200,000 to £249,999 and Darcey Bussell and Craig Revel Horwood £150,000–£199,999 The BBC also revealed that 106 senior managers earned more than £150,000 last year, a list it has published in the past. The corporation now spends £42.2m a year on senior managers, compared with £78.5m in 2009. The best-paid executive in the last year was the director general, Hall, who collected more than £450,000. The bill for the 96 on-air stars was £28.7m, a reduction from the more than £31m the BBC spent on its leading talent in the previous year. The BBC said that the top earners on its list represented less than 0.25% of the 43,000 talent contracts that it handled last year. Full ARticle: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jul/19/evans-lineker-bbc-top-earners-only-two-women-among-best-paid-stars Also all these high male earners are all white. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:883282539] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote>Hall insisted the BBC was 'more diverse than the broadcasting industry and the civil service”, but admitted there was more to do following the pay disclosure. “I feel reinvigorated in one of the things I really believe, which is getting by 2020 equality on the air between men and women and in pay as well However, Jane Garvey, the BBC radio presenter, hinted on Twitter at the frustration within the corporation. Garvey, who was also not on the list, said: “I’m looking forward to presenting BBC Woman’s Hour today. We’ll be discussing #genderpaygap. As we’ve done since 1946. Going well, isn’t it?” Maitlis and Montague both retweeted Garvey’s comment. Jeremy Vine, the radio presenter and the BBC’s fourth-best paid star, on £700,000 to £749,999 , admitted the organisation was “really hurting” following the revelations. Humphrys supported the disclosures, but said he was “not happy” that his female colleagues on the Today programme, Montague and Mishal Husain, who was paid £200,000 to £249,999, were not among the top 10 highest paid. Referring to his female colleagues, Humphrys said: “I’m not happy with that. I don’t think that is right.” Asked on Radio 4’s Media Show whether he was worth his salary, Humphrys said: “If you compare me with lots of other people – a doctor who saves a child’s life, a nurse who comforts a dying person, or a fireman who rushes into Grenfell Tower – then of course you couldn’t argue that I am not worth twopence halfpenny. “However, we operate in a marketplace, and I think I provide a fairly useful service. Somebody has to do the job of trying to hold power to account and speak the truth about all that stuff.” The BBC has published the list of stars in £50,000 bands. It does not include payments to staff from production companies or BBC Worldwide, which generates commercial revenues. This means some high-profile BBC figures are not included, such as the stars of The Great British Bake Off, Sherlock star Benedict Cumberbatch, and Sir David Attenborough. However, programmes produced by the BBC, including EastEnders, Casualty, and Strictly Come Dancing, are included. Evans’s work for the BBC in the past year included his Radio 2 breakfast show and Top Gear. He is understood to have received extra payments for presenting Top Gear from BBC Worldwide that are not included in this list. Evans said on Wednesday that it was “on balance right and proper” that the BBC made the disclosure. Among the actors on the list, Derek Thompson, who plays Charlie Fairhead in Casualty, was the best paid. He received £350,000 to £399,999 in the last year. In entertainment, the judges of Strictly Come Dancing were all paid more than £150,000. Len Goodman and Bruno Tonioli were paid £200,000 to £249,999 and Darcey Bussell and Craig Revel Horwood £150,000–£199,999 The BBC also revealed that 106 senior managers earned more than £150,000 last year, a list it has published in the past. The corporation now spends £42.2m a year on senior managers, compared with £78.5m in 2009. The best-paid executive in the last year was the director general, Hall, who collected more than £450,000. The bill for the 96 on-air stars was £28.7m, a reduction from the more than £31m the BBC spent on its leading talent in the previous year. The BBC said that the top earners on its list represented less than 0.25% of the 43,000 talent contracts that it handled last year. Full ARticle: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jul/19/evans-lineker-bbc-top-earners-only-two-women-among-best-paid-stars Also all these high male earners are all white.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 07/20/17 4:14:05 PM #3:	It's unfair to men too --- Hey what's going on in this thread http://i.imgur.com/6fpKRW8.gif http://i.imgur.com/RNZi0gk.gif <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:883282545] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote>It's unfair to men too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thompsontalker7 07/20/17 4:14:38 PM #4:	The UK being sexist? Shocker --- You haven't set a signature for the message boards yet. Might wanna get on that, yeah? <cite>thompsontalker7 posted [p:883282583] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote>The UK being sexist? Shocker</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vyrulisse 07/20/17 4:15:33 PM #5:	Are they really doing the same jobs/same amount of work or is this just a bunch of nonsense? --- http://i.imgur.com/6VeX04D.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uf_rTLqj0o <cite>Vyrulisse posted [p:883282642] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote>Are they really doing the same jobs/same amount of work or is this just a bunch of nonsense?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 07/20/17 4:15:44 PM #6:	I wonder if this is the same at CNN? the white males making the most money? --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:883282652] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote>I wonder if this is the same at CNN? the white males making the most money?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 07/20/17 4:17:17 PM #7:	Vyrulisse posted... Are they really doing the same jobs/same amount of work or is this just a bunch of nonsense? Well that's the million dollar question isn't it. She says "They pay him more." He says "I'm just that superior to you." Who is right? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:883282741] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vyrulisse posted...</cite> <quote>Are they really doing the same jobs/same amount of work or is this just a bunch of nonsense?</quote> Well that's the million dollar question isn't it. She says "They pay him more." He says "I'm just that superior to you." Who is right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
luigi13579 07/20/17 4:22:31 PM #8:	I think it's fair enough to disclose pay levels in the organization given that it's funded by a license fee. I'm not so sure about naming names though (even if you could probably work out who's who with a bit of digging). The figures could be broken down by gender and other criteria without names being specified. It'd accomplish more or less the same thing. Although, I suppose knowing who is receiving what allows you to see if the differences in pay correspond to different roles or if there are discrepancies even for people in similar roles. Mostly though, it means people frothing at the mouth and protesting at such and such receiving so much money for "one appearance a week" (I'm sure they work behind the scenes too to be honest). <cite>luigi13579 posted [p:883283078] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote>I think it's fair enough to disclose pay levels in the organization given that it's funded by a license fee. I'm not so sure about naming names though (even if you could probably work out who's who with a bit of digging). The figures could be broken down by gender and other criteria without names being specified. It'd accomplish more or less the same thing. Although, I suppose knowing who is receiving what allows you to see if the differences in pay correspond to different roles or if there are discrepancies even for people in similar roles. Mostly though, it means people frothing at the mouth and protesting at such and such receiving so much money for "one appearance a week" (I'm sure they work behind the scenes too to be honest).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 07/21/17 2:21:22 PM #9:	darkphoenix181 posted... I wonder if this is the same at CNN? the white males making the most money? CNN isn't government funded --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:883338916] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>I wonder if this is the same at CNN? the white males making the most money?</quote> CNN isn't government funded</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Flermin 07/21/17 2:24:43 PM #10:	ThyCorndog posted... It's unfair to men too lol <cite>Flermin posted [p:883339097] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote>It's unfair to men too</quote> lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkdamental 07/21/17 2:33:44 PM #11:	The fact that Chris Evans was paid more than £20k, let alone £2.2m, last year is one of the biggest scandals. --- Slaughterhouse 5 Cattle 0 <cite>Funkdamental posted [p:883339584] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote>The fact that Chris Evans was paid more than £20k, let alone £2.2m, last year is one of the biggest scandals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 07/21/17 2:35:10 PM #12:	I thought Chris Evans is Captain America ofc he make more than CNN anchors --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:883339659] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote>I thought Chris Evans is Captain America ofc he make more than CNN anchors</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/21/17 2:35:32 PM #13:	Funkdamental posted... The fact that Chris Evans was paid more than £20k, let alone £2.2m, last year is one of the biggest scandals. That. Is the queen even paid that much? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:883339678] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkdamental posted...</cite> <quote>The fact that Chris Evans was paid more than £20k, let alone £2.2m, last year is one of the biggest scandals.</quote> That. Is the queen even paid that much?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Flermin 07/21/17 2:35:54 PM #14:	Funkdamental posted... The fact that Chris Evans was paid more than £20k, let alone £2.2m, last year is one of the biggest scandals. when they interviewed that guy on top gear i thought "great its capt. america" then he came out and i was like "Uh..........." <cite>Flermin posted [p:883339694] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkdamental posted...</cite> <quote>The fact that Chris Evans was paid more than £20k, let alone £2.2m, last year is one of the biggest scandals.</quote> when they interviewed that guy on top gear i thought "great its capt. america" then he came out and i was like "Uh..........."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 07/21/17 2:53:15 PM #15:	UnfairRepresent posted... darkphoenix181 posted... I wonder if this is the same at CNN? the white males making the most money? CNN isn't government funded Sure, but it would still be interesting to know the details. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:883340677] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>I wonder if this is the same at CNN? the white males making the most money?</quote> CNN isn't government funded</quote> Sure, but it would still be interesting to know the details.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 07/21/17 2:53:54 PM #16:	I need a tldr --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:883340711] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote>I need a tldr</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/21/17 2:54:57 PM #17:	ChromaticAngel posted... I need a tldr "Chris Evans is paid too damn much. This is apparently a huge issue, because he's a dude." <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:883340770] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote>I need a tldr</quote> "Chris Evans is paid too damn much. This is apparently a huge issue, because he's a dude."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 07/21/17 3:00:08 PM #18:	ChromaticAngel posted... I need a tldr BBC is Government funded All the white men are paid considerably more than everyone else. People mad --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:883341067] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote>I need a tldr</quote> BBC is Government funded All the white men are paid considerably more than everyone else. People mad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/21/17 3:00:56 PM #19:	ChromaticAngel posted... I need a tldr Men make more than women at BBC, and without any sort of investigation into possible reasons for it, BBC is branded sexist. Sort of like the imaginary pay gap in America, but without proof it's imaginary. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:883341117] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote>I need a tldr</quote> Men make more than women at BBC, and without any sort of investigation into possible reasons for it, BBC is branded sexist. Sort of like the imaginary pay gap in America, but without proof it's imaginary.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkdamental 07/21/17 3:21:10 PM #20:	darkphoenix181 posted... I thought Chris Evans is Captain America ofc he make more than CNN anchors That's a different Chris Evans. A very different Chris Evans. --- Slaughterhouse 5 Cattle 0 <cite>Funkdamental posted [p:883342260] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>I thought Chris Evans is Captain America ofc he make more than CNN anchors</quote> That's a different Chris Evans. A very different Chris Evans.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 07/22/17 8:18:04 AM #21:	Lorenzo_2003 posted... UnfairRepresent posted... darkphoenix181 posted... I wonder if this is the same at CNN? the white males making the most money? CNN isn't government funded Sure, but it would still be interesting to know the details. I suppose --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:883382224] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>I wonder if this is the same at CNN? the white males making the most money?</quote> CNN isn't government funded</quote> Sure, but it would still be interesting to know the details.</quote> I suppose</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 07/22/17 8:23:07 AM #22:	How many viewers does Claudia Winkleman's show get compared to Chris Evans'? How long has Claudia been with the BBC compared to Chris? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:883382366] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote>How many viewers does Claudia Winkleman's show get compared to Chris Evans'? How long has Claudia been with the BBC compared to Chris?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
luigi13579 07/22/17 8:41:41 AM #23:	Mal_Fet posted... How many viewers does Claudia Winkleman's show get compared to Chris Evans'? How long has Claudia been with the BBC compared to Chris? Yeah, some of the comparisons seem dumb. I could see if it male + female presenters of the same show are paid differently. I don't know if those that host BBC Breakfast, for example, are paid differently. Although, they could do different things behind the scenes or on other shows I suppose. On looking it up, supposedly Naga Munchetty (a female presenter of BBC Breakfast) earns more than her male co-host. I think she is more well known, but that shouldn't matter. I can't really comment on any additional responsibilities they have though. I think she has roles on other shows, like Watchdog (can't remember if her co-host does), so it could be justified. <cite>luigi13579 posted [p:883382802] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>How many viewers does Claudia Winkleman's show get compared to Chris Evans'? How long has Claudia been with the BBC compared to Chris?</quote> Yeah, some of the comparisons seem dumb. I could see if it male + female presenters of the same show are paid differently. I don't know if those that host BBC Breakfast, for example, are paid differently. Although, they could do different things behind the scenes or on other shows I suppose. On looking it up, supposedly Naga Munchetty (a female presenter of BBC Breakfast) earns more than her male co-host. I think she is more well known, but that shouldn't matter. I can't really comment on any additional responsibilities they have though. I think she has roles on other shows, like Watchdog (can't remember if her co-host does), so it could be justified.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Polycosm 07/22/17 8:49:03 AM #24:	I don't see a case yet. Factors which contribute to the gender pay gap are well-documented and summarized here: http://freakonomics.com/podcast/the-true-story-of-the-gender-pay-gap-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast The gap is almost entirely explained by matters of choice and cultural pressures, most of which take root long before a woman negotiates her salary with her employer. We have to be honest about that much, or else it will never change. It's possible that there's gender discrimination at the BBC, but the accusers need to do better than just pointing to wage gap stats. --- BKSheikah owned me so thoroughly in the 2017 guru contest, I'd swear he used the Lens of Truth to pick his bracket. (thengamer.com/guru) <cite>Polycosm posted [p:883382977] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote>I don't see a case yet. Factors which contribute to the gender pay gap are well-documented and summarized here: http://freakonomics.com/podcast/the-true-story-of-the-gender-pay-gap-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast The gap is almost entirely explained by matters of choice and cultural pressures, most of which take root long before a woman negotiates her salary with her employer. We have to be honest about that much, or else it will never change. It's possible that there's gender discrimination at the BBC, but the accusers need to do better than just pointing to wage gap stats.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 07/22/17 1:28:12 PM #26:	kenio8187 posted... Vyrulisse posted... Are they really doing the same jobs/same amount of work or is this just a bunch of nonsense? Arguably, they are, but that's not important when it comes to anything media related. The fact is, the top talent have the skills to pull in more numbers. More numbers = more money for the network. So the network pays those people more money, to keep them on the network. It just so happens that those people are all men. How convenient --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:883393746] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>kenio8187 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vyrulisse posted...</cite> <quote>Are they really doing the same jobs/same amount of work or is this just a bunch of nonsense?</quote> Arguably, they are, but that's not important when it comes to anything media related. The fact is, the top talent have the skills to pull in more numbers. More numbers = more money for the network. So the network pays those people more money, to keep them on the network. It just so happens that those people are all men.</quote> How convenient</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 07/22/17 7:52:31 PM #27:	UnfairRepresent posted... kenio8187 posted... Vyrulisse posted... Are they really doing the same jobs/same amount of work or is this just a bunch of nonsense? Arguably, they are, but that's not important when it comes to anything media related. The fact is, the top talent have the skills to pull in more numbers. More numbers = more money for the network. So the network pays those people more money, to keep them on the network. It just so happens that those people are all men. How convenient Not really. Someone who makes you more money is bound to get more pay than someone who makes you less. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:883412750] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>kenio8187 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vyrulisse posted...</cite> <quote>Are they really doing the same jobs/same amount of work or is this just a bunch of nonsense?</quote> Arguably, they are, but that's not important when it comes to anything media related. The fact is, the top talent have the skills to pull in more numbers. More numbers = more money for the network. So the network pays those people more money, to keep them on the network. It just so happens that those people are all men.</quote> How convenient</quote> Not really. Someone who makes you more money is bound to get more pay than someone who makes you less.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dampproof 07/22/17 7:57:09 PM #28:	Why is Chris even paid that much? He is garbage. Like even the people who don't really know him can at least use his stint on Top Gear to get an idea of his caliber. --- "Cyberspace is - or can be - a good, friendly and egalitarian place to meet." - Douglas Adams <cite>Dampproof posted [p:883412974] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote>Why is Chris even paid that much? He is garbage. Like even the people who don't really know him can at least use his stint on Top Gear to get an idea of his caliber.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HogRiderreturns 07/22/17 8:10:33 PM #29:	I thought it was common knowledge that most women have trouble with BBC. --- http://i.imgur.com/wuFm3hd.jpg - My Hash Brownies. http://i.imgur.com/mQ7syoS.gif http://i.imgur.com/lY3erBp.jpg <cite>HogRiderreturns posted [p:883413610] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote>I thought it was common knowledge that most women have trouble with BBC.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 07/22/17 8:15:27 PM #30:	How can anyone ever hope to compete with the BBC? --- Hey what's going on in this thread http://i.imgur.com/6fpKRW8.gif http://i.imgur.com/RNZi0gk.gif <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:883413830] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote>How can anyone ever hope to compete with the BBC?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 07/23/17 3:07:57 AM #32:	Mal_Fet posted... Not really. Someone who makes you more money is bound to get more pay than someone who makes you less. And they all just happen to be white men by a considerable margin --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:883431733] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> Not really. Someone who makes you more money is bound to get more pay than someone who makes you less.</quote> And they all just happen to be white men by a considerable margin</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 07/23/17 6:24:01 AM #33:	UnfairRepresent posted... Mal_Fet posted... Not really. Someone who makes you more money is bound to get more pay than someone who makes you less. And they all just happen to be white men by a considerable margin Is this a joke --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:883435365] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> Not really. Someone who makes you more money is bound to get more pay than someone who makes you less.</quote> And they all just happen to be white men by a considerable margin</quote> Is this a joke</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 07/23/17 6:28:13 AM #34:	Mal_Fet posted... UnfairRepresent posted... Mal_Fet posted... Not really. Someone who makes you more money is bound to get more pay than someone who makes you less. And they all just happen to be white men by a considerable margin Is this a joke No it's true. Nearly all the top earners are white men --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:883435437] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> Not really. Someone who makes you more money is bound to get more pay than someone who makes you less.</quote> And they all just happen to be white men by a considerable margin</quote> Is this a joke</quote> No it's true. Nearly all the top earners are white men</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 07/23/17 6:32:10 AM #35:	UnfairRepresent posted... Mal_Fet posted... UnfairRepresent posted... Mal_Fet posted... Not really. Someone who makes you more money is bound to get more pay than someone who makes you less. And they all just happen to be white men by a considerable margin Is this a joke No it's true. Nearly all the top earners are white men So what are Evan's ratings compared to Winkleman's? How much longer has Evans been with the BBC than WInkleman? How about the other top male earners compared to her? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:883435505] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> Not really. Someone who makes you more money is bound to get more pay than someone who makes you less.</quote> And they all just happen to be white men by a considerable margin</quote> Is this a joke</quote> No it's true. Nearly all the top earners are white men</quote> So what are Evan's ratings compared to Winkleman's? How much longer has Evans been with the BBC than WInkleman? How about the other top male earners compared to her?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Amatsukaze 07/23/17 6:33:03 AM #36:	Men just do a better job. --- http://tinyurl.com/zzyult6 - http://tinyurl.com/zwaaeta - http://tinyurl.com/gsbfv8e http://tinyurl.com/h8j8vrd - http://tinyurl.com/j4lyk7j - EMM///REEE <cite>Amatsukaze posted [p:883435523] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote>Men just do a better job.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ehhwhatever 07/23/17 6:43:36 AM #37:	HogRiderreturns posted... I thought it was common knowledge that most women have trouble with BBC. BBC apparently knows about it. They have reported on it, right? --- A bus is after me. <cite>ehhwhatever posted [p:883435739] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>HogRiderreturns posted...</cite> <quote>I thought it was common knowledge that most women have trouble with BBC.</quote> BBC apparently knows about it. They have reported on it, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 07/23/17 6:55:27 AM #38:	ehhwhatever posted... HogRiderreturns posted... I thought it was common knowledge that most women have trouble with BBC. BBC apparently knows about it. They have reported on it, right? They claim they are investigating it. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:883435930] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>ehhwhatever posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HogRiderreturns posted...</cite> <quote>I thought it was common knowledge that most women have trouble with BBC.</quote> BBC apparently knows about it. They have reported on it, right?</quote> They claim they are investigating it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shnangyboos 07/23/17 7:24:28 AM #39:	UnfairRepresent posted... ehhwhatever posted... HogRiderreturns posted... I thought it was common knowledge that most women have trouble with BBC. BBC apparently knows about it. They have reported on it, right? They claim they are investigating it. Whoosh. --- How's my posting? Call http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/182361-human-resource-machine for any comments or concerns. <cite>shnangyboos posted [p:883436422] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ehhwhatever posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HogRiderreturns posted...</cite> <quote>I thought it was common knowledge that most women have trouble with BBC.</quote> BBC apparently knows about it. They have reported on it, right?</quote> They claim they are investigating it.</quote> Whoosh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 07/23/17 7:25:30 AM #40:	@UnfairRepresent Mal_Fet posted... So what are Evan's ratings compared to Winkleman's? How much longer has Evans been with the BBC than WInkleman? How about the other top male earners compared to her? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:883436440] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote>@UnfairRepresent <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>So what are Evan's ratings compared to Winkleman's? How much longer has Evans been with the BBC than WInkleman? How about the other top male earners compared to her?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NepGear462 07/23/17 7:38:09 AM #41:	Why do we need 50/50 in everything? <cite>NepGear462 posted [p:883436681] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote>Why do we need 50/50 in everything?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 07/23/17 7:45:31 AM #42:	NepGear462 posted... Why do we need 50/50 in everything? 1. Equality. 2. There's a difference between 50/50 and white men making considerably more than everyone else. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:883436804] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>NepGear462 posted...</cite> <quote>Why do we need 50/50 in everything?</quote> 1. Equality. 2. There's a difference between 50/50 and white men making considerably more than everyone else.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 07/23/17 8:48:00 AM #43:	UnfairRepresent posted... NepGear462 posted... Why do we need 50/50 in everything? 1. Equality. 2. There's a difference between 50/50 and white men making considerably more than everyone else. What if men and women have fundamentally different behavior patterns that, absent ANY discrimination, result in outcomes that are not 50/50? Do you believe prison populations should be 50/50 men and women? Should we arrest thousands more women to balance out the 90/10 ratio we have now? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:883438182] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NepGear462 posted...</cite> <quote>Why do we need 50/50 in everything?</quote> 1. Equality. 2. There's a difference between 50/50 and white men making considerably more than everyone else.</quote> What if men and women have fundamentally different behavior patterns that, absent ANY discrimination, result in outcomes that are not 50/50? Do you believe prison populations should be 50/50 men and women? Should we arrest thousands more women to balance out the 90/10 ratio we have now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 07/23/17 9:00:05 AM #44:	Mal_Fet posted... What if men and women have fundamentally different behavior patterns that, absent ANY discrimination, result in outcomes that are not 50/50? And yet it's all white men who earn the big bucks. So not just fundamental behavior patterns for men, but also for men of a certain color. Really really convienent that. Mal_Fet posted... Do you believe prison populations should be 50/50 men and women? Should we arrest thousands more women to balance out the 90/10 ratio we have now? Women are insanely protected in court and police. Police, Juries and Judges are much more lienent towards them. We still live in an age where the average person doesn't believe women can rape people. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:883438444] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> What if men and women have fundamentally different behavior patterns that, absent ANY discrimination, result in outcomes that are not 50/50?</quote> And yet it's all white men who earn the big bucks. So not just fundamental behavior patterns for men, but also for men of a certain color. Really really convienent that. <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> Do you believe prison populations should be 50/50 men and women? Should we arrest thousands more women to balance out the 90/10 ratio we have now?</quote> Women are insanely protected in court and police. Police, Juries and Judges are much more lienent towards them. We still live in an age where the average person doesn't believe women can rape people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 07/23/17 9:06:03 AM #45:	UnfairRepresent posted... And yet it's all white men who earn the big bucks. So not just fundamental behavior patterns for men, but also for men of a certain color. Really really convienent that. Well since the vast majority of Britain is white, that's just a statistical expectation. Not convenient at all. UnfairRepresent posted... Women are insanely protected in court and police. Police, Juries and Judges are much more lienent towards them. We still live in an age where the average person doesn't believe women can rape people. Are you suggesting that, without any favorable treatment by law enforcement, prison populations would be 50/50? You believe women commit as many violent crimes as men? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:883438578] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>And yet it's all white men who earn the big bucks. So not just fundamental behavior patterns for men, but also for men of a certain color. Really really convienent that.</quote> Well since the vast majority of Britain is white, that's just a statistical expectation. Not convenient at all. <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Women are insanely protected in court and police. Police, Juries and Judges are much more lienent towards them. We still live in an age where the average person doesn't believe women can rape people.</quote> Are you suggesting that, without any favorable treatment by law enforcement, prison populations would be 50/50? You believe women commit as many violent crimes as men?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 07/23/17 9:28:00 AM #46:	Mal_Fet posted... Are you suggesting that, without any favorable treatment by law enforcement, prison populations would be 50/50? You believe women commit as many violent crimes as men? Are you suggesting that you force feed broken glass to little girls? Can you talk about anything without random leading questions? Nobody has said that everything in life should be 50/50. Let alone a weird idea of purposelly arresting innocent people just to even stats Mal_Fet posted... Well since the vast majority of Britain is white, that's just a statistical expectation. Not convenient at all. Wut. You're going "Of Course white men earn more, because there's more of them. It's statistics!" 5 seconds after defending women earning less... Even tho there's more women than men. Surely if it's a matter of statistic probability, women would be earning more? OR at least it would be closer. So for men it's absolutely to do with statistics. For women, statistics don't matter it's absolutely to do with "behavior" (whatever that means) How very very convenient. What a convenience that is for the BBC. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:883439212] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> Are you suggesting that, without any favorable treatment by law enforcement, prison populations would be 50/50? You believe women commit as many violent crimes as men?</quote> Are you suggesting that you force feed broken glass to little girls? Can you talk about anything without random leading questions? Nobody has said that everything in life should be 50/50. Let alone a weird idea of purposelly arresting innocent people just to even stats <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> Well since the vast majority of Britain is white, that's just a statistical expectation. Not convenient at all.</quote> Wut. You're going "Of Course white men earn more, because there's more of them. It's statistics!" 5 seconds after defending women earning less... Even tho there's more women than men. Surely if it's a matter of statistic probability, women would be earning more? OR at least it would be closer. So for men it's absolutely to do with statistics. For women, statistics don't matter it's absolutely to do with "behavior" (whatever that means) How very very convenient. What a convenience that is for the BBC.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 07/23/17 3:36:05 PM #47:	UnfairRepresent posted... Are you suggesting that you force feed broken glass to little girls? Can you talk about anything without random leading questions? Nobody has said that everything in life should be 50/50. Let alone a weird idea of purposelly arresting innocent people just to even stats Ok, so you DO accept the notion that men and women have different behavioral patterns, and you accept that these differences will manifest in the prison population..... But oddly, you don't accept that these differences will manifest in the workplace? That's a bit contradictory, don't you think? UnfairRepresent posted... Wut. You're going "Of Course white men earn more, because there's more of them. It's statistics!" 5 seconds after defending women earning less... Even tho there's more women than men. There's nothing contradictory here. All else equal, there are no significant behavioral differences between men of different races and women of different races. It's more likely that higher earners In a country that's 89% white will be white, and that men will on average make more than women because men in average work more hours than women. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:883454590] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Are you suggesting that you force feed broken glass to little girls? Can you talk about anything without random leading questions? Nobody has said that everything in life should be 50/50. Let alone a weird idea of purposelly arresting innocent people just to even stats</quote> Ok, so you DO accept the notion that men and women have different behavioral patterns, and you accept that these differences will manifest in the prison population..... But oddly, you don't accept that these differences will manifest in the workplace? That's a bit contradictory, don't you think? <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Wut. You're going "Of Course white men earn more, because there's more of them. It's statistics!" 5 seconds after defending women earning less... Even tho there's more women than men.</quote> There's nothing contradictory here. All else equal, there are no significant behavioral differences between men of different races and women of different races. It's more likely that higher earners In a country that's 89% white will be white, and that men will on average make more than women because men in average work more hours than women.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 07/23/17 4:20:17 PM #48:	Mal_Fet posted... Ok, so you DO accept the notion that men and women have different behavioral patterns, and you accept that these differences will manifest in the prison population..... But oddly, you don't accept that these differences will manifest in the workplace? That's a bit contradictory, don't you think? I don't think either "patterns" are accurate to real life. And I think it's kinda worrying if you do. Especially in America with private prisons. Mal_Fet posted... There's nothing contradictory here. Just an awful lot of convenience. Whatever piece of logic happens to justify everything awkwardly Frankensteined together with no consistency. Mal_Fet posted... All else equal, there are no significant behavioral differences between men of different races and women of different races. It's more likely that higher earners In a country that's 89% white will be white, and that men will on average make more than women because men in average work more hours than women. Okay but that's not really relevant to the topic is it? Where all of the top earning men are white and nearly all of them dominate women. You even used "It hasn't been investigated" as a defense, yet turn around and use any argument you can to justify it in the most convenient ways possible. It's absurd. You clearly WANT white men to be on top and it shows. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:883456730] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> Ok, so you DO accept the notion that men and women have different behavioral patterns, and you accept that these differences will manifest in the prison population..... But oddly, you don't accept that these differences will manifest in the workplace? That's a bit contradictory, don't you think? </quote> I don't think either "patterns" are accurate to real life. And I think it's kinda worrying if you do. Especially in America with private prisons. <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> There's nothing contradictory here. </quote> Just an awful lot of convenience. Whatever piece of logic happens to justify everything awkwardly Frankensteined together with no consistency. <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> All else equal, there are no significant behavioral differences between men of different races and women of different races. It's more likely that higher earners In a country that's 89% white will be white, and that men will on average make more than women because men in average work more hours than women.</quote> Okay but that's not really relevant to the topic is it? Where all of the top earning men are white and nearly all of them dominate women. You even used "It hasn't been investigated" as a defense, yet turn around and use any argument you can to justify it in the most convenient ways possible. It's absurd. You clearly WANT white men to be on top and it shows.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 07/23/17 4:38:24 PM #49:	UnfairRepresent posted... I don't think either "patterns" are accurate to real life. It really doesn't matter what you think. If you were serious about this, you'd compare and contrast the seniority and ratings of these people along with their plumbing. Why don't you? UnfairRepresent posted... And I think it's kinda worrying if you do. Especially in America with private prisons. This is a blow against your position, not mine. Why would the owners of these private prisons ignore female criminals, if more existed? Don't they make money based on how many people they have? It would go AGAINST their self interest to discriminate favorably againt half the population when they could instead be filling their cells, right? UnfairRepresent posted... Okay but that's not really relevant to the topic is it? How isn't it relevant? Men on average work more, take fewer vacations, and will work more overtime than women, and that's why they will likely make more money than women despite the slight female majority in the UK. and since ~90% of Britain's population is white, it's a statistical inevitability that most employeed in the BBC will be white, and therefore it's a statistical inevitability that the highest earners will also be white. This is grade school-level critical thinking --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:883457634] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think either "patterns" are accurate to real life. </quote> It really doesn't matter what you think. If you were serious about this, you'd compare and contrast the seniority and ratings of these people along with their plumbing. Why don't you? <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>And I think it's kinda worrying if you do. Especially in America with private prisons.</quote> This is a blow against your position, not mine. Why would the owners of these private prisons ignore female criminals, if more existed? Don't they make money based on how many people they have? It would go AGAINST their self interest to discriminate favorably againt half the population when they could instead be filling their cells, right? <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Okay but that's not really relevant to the topic is it? </quote> How isn't it relevant? Men on average work more, take fewer vacations, and will work more overtime than women, and that's why they will likely make more money than women despite the slight female majority in the UK. and since ~90% of Britain's population is white, it's a statistical inevitability that most employeed in the BBC will be white, and therefore it's a statistical inevitability that the highest earners will also be white. This is grade school-level critical thinking</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 07/23/17 4:58:50 PM #50:	Mal_Fet posted... It really doesn't matter what you think. Again, how convenient. What you think is fully valid, what everyone else thinks doesn't matter. Mal_Fet posted... If you were serious about this, you'd compare and contrast the seniority and ratings of these people along with their plumbing. Why don't you? Ratings of these people along with their plumbing? Wut? Mal_Fet posted... This is a blow against your position, not mine. Why would the owners of these private prisons ignore female criminals, if more existed? Because the money is in young men, not women. And people don't care about young men especially black and hispanic men going to prison for stupid reasons. That's why we have things like the War on Drugs and 3rd strike laws and prisons threatening to sue states. There is an entire system in place to keep prisons near full and keep people reoffending. Do you not know that Prisoners work? There's a reason why young girls can smoke weed in public and no one cares but men can face prison terms if one ancient squashed joint is found under the backseat of their car. Mal_Fet posted... How isn't it relevant? Men on average work more, take fewer vacations, We're talking about the BBC. This is contracted. Not paid by the hour. You think all the white men are just working ten times harder than everyone else? End of story? Please. What you earn has nothing to do with the amount of hours you work nor how much effort you put in. You'll learn this after you try a few jobs. You will not be paid $100,000 if you can be paid $20,000 and not leave. Regardless of how talented you are or how much work you do. You earn what your employer has to pay you to stop you from going somewhere else. They value you and what they think you are worth. And the BBC values white guys as superior to everyone else. IF you think that's cool then bully for you but your attempts to simtaniously justify that with the most convenient arguments of all time while simtaniously demand that an investigation is needed because we dont know the facts is transparent. Just be honest. You'll go a lot further and get on with more people if you did. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:883458774] in Outrage gr... [t:75586576]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> It really doesn't matter what you think. </quote> Again, how convenient. What you think is fully valid, what everyone else thinks doesn't matter. <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> If you were serious about this, you'd compare and contrast the seniority and ratings of these people along with their plumbing. Why don't you? </quote> Ratings of these people along with their plumbing? Wut? <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> This is a blow against your position, not mine. Why would the owners of these private prisons ignore female criminals, if more existed?</quote> Because the money is in young men, not women. And people don't care about young men especially black and hispanic men going to prison for stupid reasons. That's why we have things like the War on Drugs and 3rd strike laws and prisons threatening to sue states. There is an entire system in place to keep prisons near full and keep people reoffending. Do you not know that Prisoners work? There's a reason why young girls can smoke weed in public and no one cares but men can face prison terms if one ancient squashed joint is found under the backseat of their car. <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> How isn't it relevant? Men on average work more, take fewer vacations,</quote> We're talking about the BBC. This is contracted. Not paid by the hour. You think all the white men are just working ten times harder than everyone else? End of story? Please. What you earn has nothing to do with the amount of hours you work nor how much effort you put in. You'll learn this after you try a few jobs. You will not be paid $100,000 if you can be paid $20,000 and not leave. Regardless of how talented you are or how much work you do. You earn what your employer has to pay you to stop you from going somewhere else. They value you and what they think you are worth. And the BBC values white guys as superior to everyone else. IF you think that's cool then bully for you but your attempts to simtaniously justify that with the most convenient arguments of all time while simtaniously demand that an investigation is needed because we dont know the facts is transparent. Just be honest. You'll go a lot further and get on with more people if you did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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