Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Fox Elma W100 Knux MM Zera vs Archer Ryu3 Cloud Light Lilit Terra Nilin

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KanzarisKelshen
07/20/17 10:07:22 PM
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Fox McCloud, Elma, the Wonderful 100, Knuckles, Mega Man, Zeratul and Eddie have challenged Archer, Ryu3, Cloud, Lightning, Lilith, Terra and Nilin to a fight! Location of the fight: The Leaking Brain - A dive located in Deep-Paris, in the structure of a boat. The boat, as well as all nearby shacks and walkways are accessible. Attackers will start by the turbine, while defenders will start behind the bar.. Which side will win?


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- The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment.
- The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of a pre-selected plan of battle.
- "Broken" refers to a lot of things, including insta-death, auto-effects, a variety of status effects (e.g., Imp, Silence, Stop, *not* Poison), and revival. Unless stated otherwise, nobody has them, though do use your own discretion.
- There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from.

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Knuckles is as he appears in the Sonic games, an echidna who can glide along with his trademark strength, punching, and digging abilities. He and the Wonderful 100 have all of the knowledge and experience that comes from starring in Star Fox 64, and are piloting Arwings as seen in that game as well. He has been given a Tiny Wonder Mask by the Wonderful 100.

Mega Man is as seen in Mega Man Series. He has access to his Mega Buster, his Magnet Beam, all of his weapons from the mainline Mega Man series (1-10) aside from the Time Stopper, Flash Stopper, Gravity Hold, Centaur Flash and Astro Crush and his moveset from Marvel vs Capcom 2, but may only use his hypers if he has enough meter and the necessary robots are present. He also has a variety of weapons based on his defeated foes, allowing him to use Red Lightning Hose and Blade Beam.

Eddie is as he appears in the mainline Mega Man series. He is carrying one E-Tank, and will attempt to remain hidden until Mega Man is low on health, at which point he will attempt to give him the E-Tank.

Zeratul is as he appears in the Starcraft series and Heroes of the Storm, with all of his skills other than Void Prison. He will be permanently invisible, detectable only by the shimmer of light refracting against his cloak.

Elma is as she is seen in Xenoblade Chronicles X in her mimeosome, a max level Full Metal Jaguar with all of her arts and skills fully upgraded. She has a Verus Cain skell, outfitted with its default Machine Gun, B-Claw, G Buster, SHD-Ray, Lasergun, and Grenade, along with a Beamsaber, Cracker-FL, Minigun, and Shield.

Fox McCloud is as he appears in the Star Fox series, piloting the fully upgraded Arwing in all-range mode as seen in Star Fox 64 in from the nearest convenient location to his team. He has no bombs. He may leave the cockpit but will only have his Blaster from Star Fox: Assault if he does so.
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KanzarisKelshen
07/20/17 10:08:28 PM
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The Wonderful 100 are as they appear in their on-foot Unlimited Form in The Wonderful 101, with Red, Blue, Green, Pink, Yellow, White, Black, Vorkken, Chewgi, Immorta, and 90 civilians that are equipped with Tiny Wonder Masks. They have all their techniques (except Hero Block), moves, upgrades, and custom blocks (except Ukemi). They don't have any additional Tiny Wonder Masks.

~VS~

Ryu is as seen in the endgame of Breath of Fire 3, equipped with the Royal Sword, Divine Helm, Laquer Shield, and Shaman's Ring, and has combined the genes of Dante, Zeratul, and Kain to create a powerful Dragon hybrid form with aspects from the three. He may freely transform between normal and dragon form, and has all abilities except for Raise Dead and Resurrect, master skills, or enemy skills. He also has a Thunder-based breath/claw attack, as well as a 105% boost to all parameters. He may cast Blood Shower as seen in Blood Omen, may access Devil Trigger for 10 seconds every 5 minutes in battle and will be permanently invisible, detectable only by the shimmer of light refracting against his cloak.

Nilin is as she appears in Remember Me, fully upgraded with all of her Pressens and S-Pressens apart from Sensen RIP. She has been assigned to push Archer's wheelchair around, prioritizing the safety of the wheelchair-bound merc above all else.

Cloud Strife is as seen in Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, with access to the First Tsurugi and any abilities/skills granted by that equipment. He additionally has access to all magic (green) FF7 materia and his wing from Kingdom Hearts.

Terra is as she appears in Dissidia and at the end of FF6A, equipped with full Genji armour, Apocalypse, a Hero Ring, and a Gold Hairpin. She has all her natural magic, as well as those gained from Unicorn and Bahamut, including Raise. She does not, however, have Arise, Teleport, Break, Graviga, or Meltdown. She can enter Trance form at any time for 30 seconds (which also grants her access to EX mode), although it will go on cooldown for 2 minutes upon ending.

Archer is as seen in Fate/Stay Night's Unlimited Blade Works route. He may project Kanshou and Bakuya, Caladbolg, and his bow, as well as any other weapon seen in this fight, but may not project anything else. He may not use his Reality Marble, nor turn incorporeal and may be affected by conventional weapons despite his status as a servant. He will be confined to a wheelchair and braindead for the first minute of battle, returning to his normal self after that much time has passed. He will start the fight next to Zeratul, viciously uppercut by him.

Lightning is as she appears in the endgame of Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, with a schemata set-up featuring a balance of her strongest physical, magical and debuffing skills and equipment, and with limited use of Curaga. She will arrive a minute and a half late to battle. She will benefit from a 50% boost to all parameters for as long as Lilith remains alive.

Lilith is as she appears during the events of Borderlands 2, fully adapted to her Eridium-enhanced powers. She has fully mastered the Controller skill tree, and is equipped with the HellFire, Baby Maker and Tsunami SMGs, the Cobra, Penetrator and Lyuda sniper rifles and the Flame of the Firehawk shield, with Corrosive ammo for the Penetrator and Slag ammo for the rest. She cannot mass teleport mercs or objects. She has been given Cloud's motorcycle, Fenrir, for her to ride on. She will benefit from a 100% boost to all parameters for as long as Lightning remains alive.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/20/17 10:08:44 PM
#3:


@Eddv
@Tirofog

The floor is yours.
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Eddv
07/20/17 10:09:23 PM
#4:


http://www.magic4walls.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Un-born-Paris-The-leaking-brain.jpg

This is the terrain.

The bar is on the boat somewhere and the turbine is the back of the boat where well the turbine would be if I am understanding the walkthrough videos I just watched correctly. Its more like a small shitty town than a dive bar like the writeup errantly suggests.

So while there are some decent sniping spots for Lilith, the fleet is pretty well set up to go All-Range Mode all over the opposing teams asses. This time they all have experience flying these things as though they were Fox himself. And of course there is Fox himself. And even if the arwings get in trouble I hear tell from Ganon that the 100 are "pretty good" and even in cockpit some of their abilities - such as Wonder Blacks ability to slow down time and the various wonder abilitirs to be immune to elemental damage. Also potentially useful is Wonder Yellows ability to find hidden or obscured objects and logically people.

Archer and Nilin are starting off right next to this mega team with Archer starting off disabled bound to a wheel chair and Uppercutted by Zeratul. So he's dead between warp blades and Megamans toolkit and Elmas ridiculous arsenal.

So in the end you have:
Normal Ryu
Lilith
Lightning
Terra

Vs

102 Arwings piloted by 102 Fox level pilots, 100 of whom are superheroes also and 101 of whom are rapping about finding their lost piece

Elma in the Versus Cain who is able to buff those 102 with a lot of buffs but perhaps most importantly Ghost Factory which gives them all the ability to completely shrug off a few hits.

Mega Man with unlimited Blade Beam Spam and Red Lightning Hose and an E Tank

A teleporting permanently invisible ninja who will have no problem finding and ganking enemies who hide.


Its pretty clear
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KanzarisKelshen
07/20/17 10:09:30 PM
#5:


Tirofog's argument:

This match may appear to be a stomp, but it's closer than it would appear. The terrain is an indoor bar that's somehow been stretched out to fit 102 Arwings with at least 1 yard of space. That's not a lot of wiggle room, and even competent pilots would struggle to keep from crashing into each other. When a chain reaction of Arwing crashes happens, this match will come down to which side is better equipped to handle the carnage, and my team has:
-Comatose Archer may be comatose, but he's still tanky!
-Lilith is 100% stat boosted and able to Phasewalk away from the damage.
-Ryu3 not only has Devil Trigger available to him to heal, he also has Kain's Blood Shower - an AoE life drain move. He's also stealthy and (presumably) can fly away from the crashes that are happening.
-Finally, Lightning conveniently arrives a minute and a half late and avoids the carnage and also Aethers any Wonderful 100 members still left after arriving.

No one on the opposing team would be able to tank that many Arwing crashes, so I think that survivability is definitely in my favor here.
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GANON1025
07/20/17 10:12:01 PM
#6:


The Wonderful 100 Can Beat The Enemy Team By Themselves With No Arwings. In fact given the terrain it may actually be easier that way.
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Eddv
07/20/17 10:12:46 PM
#7:


I thought I cancelled Accession. (Knux and his team should be rapping too)
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FFDragon
07/20/17 10:13:13 PM
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Yeah I feel like the optimal strategy for the 101 would actually be to eject and send all the arwings at the other team

and then just deal with lightning when she gets there

I just don't know if that's feasible
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Eddv
07/20/17 10:15:46 PM
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Given the way the bar has been stretched and that the rest of the boat is accessible that its not actually a disadvantage at all.
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Mewtwo59
07/20/17 10:16:24 PM
#10:


Eddv posted...
I thought I cancelled Accession. (Knux and his team should be rapping too)


Zeratul's passive means you couldn't target Ryu.
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GANON1025
07/20/17 10:17:46 PM
#11:


The Wonderful 100 can easily deal with Lightning. Wonder Bomb slows her to basically a standstill, and then they can just do what they want at that point.
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KanzarisKelshen
07/20/17 10:18:26 PM
#12:


Mewtwo59 posted...
Eddv posted...
I thought I cancelled Accession. (Knux and his team should be rapping too)


Zeratul's passive means you couldn't target Ryu.


Dis
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Eddv
07/20/17 10:19:28 PM
#13:


Oh ok fair nuff
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Eddv
07/20/17 10:21:29 PM
#14:


FFDragon posted...
Yeah I feel like the optimal strategy for the 101 would actually be to eject and send all the arwings at the other team

and then just deal with lightning when she gets there

I just don't know if that's feasible


I dunno what you mean by feasible but it is allowed by the nature of the writeup(ie no one here is restricted to their cocks pits)
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FFDragon
07/20/17 10:23:51 PM
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feasible as in it doesn't hellmurder them as well in the carnage
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greengravy294
07/20/17 10:25:47 PM
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archer encountered a bad endo by reverting into shirou..................................... =[
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Eddv
07/20/17 10:26:54 PM
#17:


If you look at the picture of the terrain the whole thing is just made of like shitty wood and shipping containers, the whole thing is probably going to be swiss cheesed and fall apart pretty quickly anyway
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greengravy294
07/20/17 10:27:39 PM
#18:


dont the arwings start in a place that they wont crash by default anyway?
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HeroicGammaRay
07/20/17 10:29:02 PM
#19:


boosted out the ass ryu3 crushes this - awful terrain for the arwings
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Eddv
07/20/17 10:32:23 PM
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greengravy294 posted...
dont the arwings start in a place that they wont crash by default anyway?


Yup

in from the nearest convenient location to his team. He has no bombs. He may leave the cockpit but will only have his Blaster from Star Fox: Assault if he does so.

and again I feel like Ghost Factory bears repeating, its an AoE buff that flat out cancels hits.
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Arti
07/20/17 10:37:50 PM
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The Wonderful 102 Arwings
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Lopen
07/20/17 10:43:54 PM
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I feel like Arwings would just smash through this terrain if they're piloting in from the nearest convenient location.
Unless the boat is like some sorta super heavy duty warship Arwings just smash the terrain to bits.
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greengravy294
07/20/17 10:44:01 PM
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the wonderful ONE arwing and elma........in her mech after boarding it

thankfully elma has time to get into her mech since i feel like most people could kill shirou emiya in a wheelchair without her help

massive power gulf regardless. elma + arwing beats this......insane dragon imho (and whatever arwings get off the ground in the sea of 100 arwings as well)
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Eddv
07/20/17 10:44:13 PM
#24:


Ok after conferring with Kanz to confirm I am not crazy - I was right Tiro is wrong.

The leaking brain is the ship.

The bar is just Nick's bar on the ship.
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Mewtwo59
07/20/17 10:45:06 PM
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For anyone curious, eddv's team starts here: https://youtu.be/A7XmLSR6I7k?t=32m6s
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Tirofog
07/20/17 10:46:17 PM
#26:


Elma's mech has been destroyed by Lilith's Phase Strike as well.

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Drakeryn
07/20/17 10:56:41 PM
#27:


I feel like most of the arwings are not going to be useful in this situation

like, if they were all being piloted in from the nearest convenient location, they could just carpetbomb the terrain and go home. but here, they all start out parked by the turbine with a yard each of space (per the match conventions). they COULD all take off but that's just asking for a massive pileup/crash.

[actually, I am not sure how arwing takeoff works. can an arwing take off straight up into the air, like a helicopter? or is it like an ordinary plane where you need a forward runway, you build up speed, and you take off at an angle? because the latter is kinda bad here]

so I think the optimum is for most of them to get out of their arwings and proceed on foot, and just several of them stick to their arwings. they could figure this out in their pre-battle plan, I assume.

having said all that, ryu3 is an absolute monster and I'm not entirely sure how they beat him. like he already has a boost from dragon hybrid form, and then a 105% stat boost, and then dante genez + devil trigger + permanent invisibility
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KanzarisKelshen
07/20/17 10:57:00 PM
#28:


Heal the damage heal the extra effect

Precedent exists on this
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FFDragon
07/20/17 10:59:06 PM
#29:


citation needed
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KanzarisKelshen
07/20/17 11:00:26 PM
#30:


FFDragon posted...
citation needed


If the damage from Apocalypse is healed by an effect so too is the stun, similarly to how KO and injure effects won't injure if the KO is healed or prevented (7/19/2016, Week 35-E)


Ruling precedent and all
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Lopen
07/20/17 11:01:05 PM
#31:


I think the arwings just smash through the turbines and the boat itself

They're 'piloting' them so they can't be outright parked-- they're already in motion. And yeah Arwing is probably more dense and durable than a boat. Basically I see the terrain utterly destroyed very quickly. Some Arwings may biff it but the forwardmost Arwings will clear space for the rear Arwings who will be piloting easier.

Also Arwings can gain altitude really easily. The loop move basically goes straight up.
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Eddv
07/20/17 11:02:44 PM
#32:


Drakeryn posted...
I feel like most of the arwings are not going to be useful in this situation

like, if they were all being piloted in from the nearest convenient location, they could just carpetbomb the terrain and go home. but here, they all start out parked by the turbine with a yard each of space (per the match conventions). they COULD all take off but that's just asking for a massive pileup/crash.

[actually, I am not sure how arwing takeoff works. can an arwing take off straight up into the air, like a helicopter? or is it like an ordinary plane where you need a forward runway, you build up speed, and you take off at an angle? because the latter is kinda bad here]

so I think the optimum is for most of them to get out of their arwings and proceed on foot, and just several of them stick to their arwings. they could figure this out in their pre-battle plan, I assume.

having said all that, ryu3 is an absolute monster and I'm not entirely sure how they beat him. like he already has a boost from dragon hybrid form, and then a 105% stat boost, and then dante genez + devil trigger + permanent invisibility



I mean the terrain is big enough that they could probably slowly cycle out from there.

I will say that while I dont think Star Fox really has animations for how they take off their vertical steering is REALLY swift and doesn't take a lot of room.

https://youtu.be/8o9Czd2Z8L8?t=22s

and this is without using the loop move which is of course even more directly vertical
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greengravy294
07/20/17 11:09:16 PM
#33:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
Ruling

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KanzarisKelshen posted...
precedent

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FFDragon
07/20/17 11:24:45 PM
#34:


that's dumb

there's a difference between curaga and esuna
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Lopen
07/20/17 11:26:27 PM
#35:


Well healing in mercs isn't really like curaga. Otherwise like, using force heal on Peach who'd been hit by Great Aether ain't gonna do anything cause she's dead.

It's more like undoing the source of the damage entirely
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KJH
07/21/17 12:30:47 AM
#36:


Team W100.

That's a lot of arwings they don't even need. Just hop out of them and Unite Hand to make themselves immune to fire (if the arwings are somehow exploding), and they can also Unite Sword to nullify Ryu3's electric breath attack. It's pretty easy to do either given all they need is 10 people left of their 100 to manage either one.
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Triofrog
07/21/17 1:06:55 AM
#37:


Just curious, how tanky are each of the W100? Can they survive an Aether from (a possibly boosted) Lightning?
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Eddv
07/21/17 1:09:38 AM
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Each and every one of them is a superhero.

That said that damage was also pre-healed by soul voice and doesnt appear in thebmatch writeup for that reason.
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Tirofog
07/21/17 11:29:55 AM
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Johnbobb
07/21/17 11:48:44 AM
#40:


I give 100% stat boosted Lillith a LOT of respect

but goddamn that's so many Arwings
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07/21/17 12:06:15 PM
#41:


So many Arwings
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Gatarix
07/21/17 3:28:54 PM
#42:


Ryu3, destroyer of worlds

If the Arwings start the match in forward motion, they are going to crash and explode. The match conventions say they only have a yard of space each, which is nothing when you're moving at Arwing speed.

Personally I don't think it works like that -- I think they start parked. Which is better (no immediate pileup) but still not ideal due to takeoff issues + space issues.

BUT the really big deal is Ryu 3, who is absurd:
- Significantly boosted just from being in dragon form
- Gets a 105% stat boost to all parameters on top of that
- Has Dante genez, which (imo) means Dante-style acrobatic skills
- Has access to Devil Trigger
- Permanently invisible

I see this dude just soaring through the sky tearing up Arwings and nobody on the other team really has the power to stop him.
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X_Dante_X
07/21/17 3:34:35 PM
#43:


who uppercuts a guy in a wheelchair wtf
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-FFDragon-
07/21/17 3:39:27 PM
#44:


Okay Drak articulated my thoughts better than me, except I do see them starting in motion, which is bad news bears.

Ryu on cleanup good enough.
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Lopen
07/21/17 3:48:24 PM
#45:


I still feel like Arwings starting in motion should only matter if you're on a more solid terrain than this. Arwing head to head crash with a boat, Arwing should win with ease generally.
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07/21/17 3:49:50 PM
#46:


I agree. But I just see a LOT of Arwing on Arwing action here as well, and I don't see many survivors.
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Alany
07/21/17 3:59:10 PM
#47:


Ryu

Gatarix made my point for me.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/21/17 4:07:07 PM
#48:


So here's how I see things so far:

-Archer's turbodead.
-There's probably an arwing pileup to start off. A solid chunk of the W100 should survive tho.
-Ryu3's invisibility is being overvalued. Zeratul has psi so he can track cloaked units.
-Lightning's delay kinda matters since it means it's just ryu3, Cloud, Lilith and Terra vs Elma, Zeratul, the surviving Wonderful Ones, Mega Man and maybe Fox.

So the question is - guys, assume invisibility for Ryu3 doesn't matter here. Who wins that clash, and why?
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Alany
07/21/17 4:16:44 PM
#49:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
So the question is - guys, assume invisibility for Ryu3 doesn't matter here. Who wins that clash, and why?

W100 by far, honestly. I don't respect Lilith much, but I'm sure her +100% parameters will be more than enough to keep her alive considering her abilities. Cloud is strong and I certainly see him fighting the W100 on equal terms (until he's swarmed or defeated by attrition) until Zeratul backstabs him. Terra is a good support, but the overwhelming enemies means her staying alive is very, very doubtful.

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Luis_Sera89
07/21/17 4:31:26 PM
#50:


Is this how the last arwing match went

Regardless, if I thought Vergil & co win that, then I think likewise of this obscene Ryu3.
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