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StealThisSheen 08/05/17 8:46:52 PM #151: |
There are three black men in the top 10 highest grossing actors alone.
And you only named one of them, which is Freeman. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 08/05/17 8:47:10 PM #152: |
Didn't Ant-Man make half a billion?
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LapisLazuli 08/05/17 8:47:20 PM #153: |
scarletspeed7 posted...
Lol at thinking Black Panther is going to flop or that Marvel thinks it will. You might want to read that again. --- **** Netflix ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scarletspeed7 08/05/17 8:47:41 PM #154: |
LapisLazuli posted...
is such huge news. You really don't get what this topic is about, do you? --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scarletspeed7 08/05/17 8:48:19 PM #155: |
LapisLazuli posted...
scarletspeed7 posted...Lol at thinking Black Panther is going to flop or that Marvel thinks it will. No, you started the statement exactly with that assumption and then moved the goalposts to prevent criticism. I still play downs from where they're marked. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jeff Zero 08/05/17 8:48:58 PM #156: |
TheRock1525 posted...
Didn't Ant-Man make half a billion? It made around $440 million worldwide, IIRC. Second-lowest MCU outing. I think the rank above it was like $90-100 million more, too. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 08/05/17 8:49:39 PM #157: |
I'm seeing $500+ million on Wikipedia.
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Jeff Zero 08/05/17 8:50:01 PM #158: |
Actually, I checked and my numbers were off. Fourth-lowest and it was closer than I remembered. $519 million worldwide.
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Jeff Zero 08/05/17 8:50:23 PM #159: |
TheRock1525 posted...
I'm seeing $500+ million on Wikipedia. Yeah, I misremembered. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scarletspeed7 08/05/17 8:50:45 PM #160: |
I usually stick with Boxofficemojo.com for numbers, and I'm seeing $519 million WW on Ant-Man.
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LapisLazuli 08/05/17 8:50:55 PM #161: |
Sheen, that's still 3 people, and I'm genuinely curious how far down you gotta go to get to 10.
I'm done with this here, sorry for the mess. I'd still be interested in that metric. --- **** Netflix ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 08/05/17 8:51:39 PM #162: |
LapisLazuli posted...
Straight you, name more than 10 black superstars in Hollywood and I'll admit it isn't as bad as I say. Since I already kinda bit at this, define "superstar" so I know what you're looking for. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jeff Zero 08/05/17 8:51:44 PM #163: |
scarletspeed7 posted...
I usually stick with Boxofficemojo.com for numbers, and I'm seeing $519 million WW on Ant-Man. That's where I checked, yep --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scarletspeed7 08/05/17 8:52:04 PM #164: |
StealThisSheen posted...
LapisLazuli posted...Straight you, name more than 10 black superstars in Hollywood and I'll admit it isn't as bad as I say. Is on the RAW or Smackdown roster. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 08/05/17 8:52:54 PM #165: |
LapisLazuli posted...
Sheen, that's still 3 people, and I'm genuinely curious how far down you gotta go to get to 10. 3/10, which is 30%. Which is disproportionate to percentage the race actually makes up, so... And actually, when you add Smith and Washington, who you named on your own admission, that's 5 already. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 08/05/17 8:53:01 PM #166: |
Ant-Man outgrossed the original Thor.
You know. The film getting second sequel. But you're right total flop. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PhoenixFey 08/05/17 8:53:19 PM #167: |
Who the hell thinks The Rock is White?
Anyway, watching Valerian later today --- Natwaf congratulates BKSheikah, Winner of the 2017 BYoG Guru contest! But Asagi Igawa is still the best Waifu ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scarletspeed7 08/05/17 8:53:24 PM #168: |
Jeff Zero posted...
scarletspeed7 posted...I usually stick with Boxofficemojo.com for numbers, and I'm seeing $519 million WW on Ant-Man. Yeah, sorry. You posted while I was double-checking the numbers. Beat me to the punch! I'm actually more interested in how Ant-Man 2 will do. Does it actually go up? I don't know the metrics of how many people watched Ant-Man on Netflix or how that type of viewing will have an effect on a box office number. It's so different from the days of DVDs. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 08/05/17 8:54:21 PM #169: |
It's tough to tell cause I assume there could be Marvel fatigue.
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LapisLazuli 08/05/17 8:55:26 PM #170: |
StealThisSheen posted...
LapisLazuli posted...Straight you, name more than 10 black superstars in Hollywood and I'll admit it isn't as bad as I say. Honestly I just wanna see where you eventually hit 10 people on the top average salary list, even if by the time you get there it's not anyone huge. --- **** Netflix ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 08/05/17 8:56:37 PM #171: |
Ant-Man 2 is adding a female lead though
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StealThisSheen 08/05/17 8:58:57 PM #172: |
LapisLazuli posted...
StealThisSheen posted...LapisLazuli posted...Straight you, name more than 10 black superstars in Hollywood and I'll admit it isn't as bad as I say. I don't really think that's a good metric, since people that got big lately aren't likely to be very high. And that would skew white, since there are a lot more long-history'd white actors than black for obvious reasons. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 08/05/17 8:59:03 PM #173: |
Jakyl25 posted...
Ant-Man 2 is adding a female lead though Literally in the title, too! --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LapisLazuli 08/05/17 9:00:45 PM #174: |
Do we want to go into the different goalposts for existing franchises and new cinematic properties as well?
I don't! --- **** Netflix ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LapisLazuli 08/05/17 9:02:02 PM #175: |
StealThisSheen posted...
LapisLazuli posted...StealThisSheen posted...LapisLazuli posted...Straight you, name more than 10 black superstars in Hollywood and I'll admit it isn't as bad as I say. Fair, I guess, though I don't think those "reasons" are gonna at all. --- **** Netflix ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 08/05/17 9:02:23 PM #176: |
Keep in mind the whole argument started because of why The Dark Tower only had a $60 million budget and rather than the more sensible answer of "Stephen King films aren't huge blockbuster style films" we get "CUZ DEY RACIST" and 100 posts later...
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LapisLazuli 08/05/17 9:04:15 PM #177: |
I was always under the impression that The Dark Tower as a property exceeded Stephen King. I know you guys love anecdotal evidence, but a good number of people I know who were thinking about seeing it didn't even realize it was a King movie since he's so associated with horror.
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StealThisSheen 08/05/17 9:07:53 PM #178: |
Okay, so you gotta go down to #66 to get 10 black people if you don't count The Rock and Vin Diesel, if going purely by gross.
Samuel L Jackson Morgan Freeman Eddie Murphy Will Smith Don Cheadle (Vin Diesel) (The Rock) Zoe Saldana Idris Elba Tyrese Gibson Laurence Fishburne Denzel Washington --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LapisLazuli 08/05/17 9:09:51 PM #179: |
I would have never guessed some of those. I don't even know who Tyrese Gibson is.
So 85/15, better than I thought at the very least. Thank you for taking the time. --- **** Netflix ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 08/05/17 9:10:47 PM #180: |
Black women have it so much tougher
I wonder what the highest grossing movie with a solo black female lead would be? Sister Act? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 08/05/17 9:11:05 PM #181: |
Like if you want to complain racism, I'd complain far more about the lack of Hispanic money makers and leads.
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Jakyl25 08/05/17 9:13:43 PM #182: |
Would also accept movies where there are multiple leads but all are black women
Hidden Figures maybe --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 08/05/17 9:14:22 PM #183: |
Can we count Tyler Perry?
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LapisLazuli 08/05/17 9:14:52 PM #184: |
TheRock1525 posted...
Like if you want to complain racism, I'd complain far more about the lack of Hispanic money makers and leads. The old guy that works under me thought The Rock was Mexican! Hispanic powerhouse. --- **** Netflix ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 08/05/17 9:15:04 PM #185: |
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TheRock1525 08/05/17 9:16:08 PM #186: |
I believe he's directed successful films with black female leads that aren't Madea films.
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Jakyl25 08/05/17 9:16:58 PM #187: |
What's Halle Berry's highest grossing film as a solo lead
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LapisLazuli 08/05/17 9:18:04 PM #188: |
Yeah I would not count Tyler Perry and I would hope people agree.
In fact that might actual count as a -1 on the total. --- **** Netflix ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LapisLazuli 08/05/17 9:19:31 PM #189: |
Jakyl25 posted...
What's Halle Berry's highest grossing film as a solo lead Gothika. The picture of her on BOM is Catwoman though, ha. --- **** Netflix ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 08/05/17 9:19:40 PM #190: |
LapisLazuli posted...
I would have never guessed some of those. I don't even know who Tyrese Gibson is. Which is about on par almost perfectly with the race percentage That said, I wonder how they score it overall. Like, it feels like Tyler Perry should be a lot higher, for instance. And then gross is going to knock out people like Kevin Hart who got big more lately moving from a different career to acting, and then doesn't give more recent people like Michael B. Jordan and Anthony Mackie a shot, etc. Also kicks out people who were big ten+ years ago but slowed down, like Ice Cube and Martin Lawrence, etc. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LapisLazuli 08/05/17 9:21:00 PM #191: |
StealThisSheen posted...
And then gross is going to knock out people like Kevin Hart who got big more lately moving from a different career to acting, and then doesn't give more recent people like Michael B. Jordan and Anthony Mackie a shot, etc. Also kicks out people who were big ten+ years ago but slowed down, like Ice Cube and Martin Lawrence, etc. But this would also apply to white people and I imagine that averages out the numbers on paper. --- **** Netflix ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 08/05/17 9:22:41 PM #192: |
Can we all just agree that whether there's racism or not in Hollywood, The Dark Tower is not proof of that?
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LapisLazuli 08/05/17 9:24:27 PM #193: |
Also, not to go way back, but that 150 million for Black Panther is the same budget as a movie about a guy who's named Ant Man, who hadn't already had a popular and well received large role in a huge movie.
And 50 million lower than, and it pains me as a person to say this, literally Green Lantern. --- **** Netflix ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 08/05/17 9:24:30 PM #194: |
LapisLazuli posted...
StealThisSheen posted...And then gross is going to knock out people like Kevin Hart who got big more lately moving from a different career to acting, and then doesn't give more recent people like Michael B. Jordan and Anthony Mackie a shot, etc. Also kicks out people who were big ten+ years ago but slowed down, like Ice Cube and Martin Lawrence, etc. Well, right. What I mean is that gross isn't the best metric for who is a "superstar," not that it'd have an effect on the gross list itself. Like, would you say Kevin Hart and Ice Cube are not superstars? --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 08/05/17 9:25:39 PM #195: |
LapisLazuli posted...
Didn't they expect Green Lantern to be huge, with Ryan Reynolds at his peak and all --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LapisLazuli 08/05/17 9:26:07 PM #196: |
TheRock1525 posted...
Can we all just agree that whether there's racism or not in Hollywood, The Dark Tower is not proof of that? It sounds like this was Mathew McConnaughey's fault. --- **** Netflix ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LapisLazuli 08/05/17 9:29:10 PM #197: |
StealThisSheen posted...
LapisLazuli posted... They used the well deserved popularity of the GL comics at the and thought that would translate to the big screen. Which is just....the dumbest shit. Also it sucked. So yeah that budget was likely inflated beyond sensibility, and none of it shows so it was probably all fucking pocketed by the execs or something. I'm interested in how big GLC's budget will be. --- **** Netflix ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 08/05/17 9:29:51 PM #198: |
LapisLazuli posted...
Also, not to go way back, but that 150 million for Black Panther is the same budget as a movie about a guy who's named Ant Man, who hadn't already had a popular and well received large role in a huge movie. Both those movies also featured well known, established actors in Paul Rudd and Ryan Reynolds. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 08/05/17 9:31:57 PM #199: |
Also Michael Douglas.
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LapisLazuli 08/05/17 9:32:17 PM #200: |
I didn't know who either of those people were before those movies, but that's on me.
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