Board 8 > ~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 7 - I would have mourned my loss of life

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...This isn't aggressive? Or rude?

I feel like we're in a basement, and you're dressed as a 1920's mafia boss saying "Nice words you got there. Shame if somebody twisted them."
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dowolf posted...

...This isn't aggressive? Or rude?

I feel like we're in a basement, and you're dressed as a 1920's mafia boss saying "Nice words you got there. Shame if somebody twisted them."

Dowolf don't. Don't even walk down that path. You are projecting. You have taken any possible angle you could to point suspicion at me. You have chosen only to believe what will fuel the outcome you desire. So the only twisting is coming from you.

I am pointing out what has been said and then asking legit questions (question you still haven't answered).


I'll be fully read back on you soon and we'll see what's what. prior to sceptile saying 95% scare, 5% sbell I for the life of me can't remember you saying 1 negative thing about me. So this just looks bad for you right now. I'm just showing it exactly how it is, no twists, no turns. Opinions, maybe, but it's sitting here for all to see.
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Obellisk posted...

I am pointing out what has been said and then asking legit questions (question you still haven't answered).

You also haven't answered my questions. But never mind.

Obellisk posted...

I'll be fully read back on you soon and we'll see what's what. prior to sceptile saying 95% scare, 5% sbell I for the life of me can't remember you saying 1 negative thing about me.

So?
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What is your problem?

Where did this attitude come from?

Have you just given up?
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if you're actually curious, I had the epiphany I wrote in my opening post game-yesterday, sometime around when I wrote my first song parody. However, I knew with decent certainty that scum would consider you and Sceptile the most confirmed players, and therefore would be killing one of you two. If you were town, I could therefore assume there to be a roughly 50% chance you'd be shot, and negligible chances I'd be shot. Plus Scare was still the likeliest scum anyways. Hence, it made sense to sit on the information for a little while.
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I feel like you've never seen me actually angry or perturbed. Honestly, your reactions to my posts are kind of confusing.

I would genuinely like this day to just end, if that's your point? This endgame has dragged on way too long imho. It's like playing Avalon, the good guys already got a full party success, and a member of the bad guys spends 10 minutes trying to work the table anyways. But Death wants to do an ISO of me, too, and I won't deny him that.
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Yeah, you have nothing against me except lol votals and lol if he's town then scum was so ooooo bad.

That is weak and pathetic.

You use votals to confirm gravy but damn me?


You as town are better than this.

Thank you for claiming scum. Doesn't matter who you kill tonight. I'll make sure town wins this game
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dowolf are we going to NL here or what
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Do not end the day early
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okay, reached dowolfs red vote

he starts it off as a pressure vote, but he does get more into it after a while and after red posts more
he could have gone for scare at this point or even gravy, but he picked red, who nobody was talking about much.
yes to argue the scumside of possibilities, dowolf might have been trying to look active and didnt expect red to take off so well
but I dont think it happened that way. not when he kept asking why people liked red, kept telling people to make red claim, and discourage people from voting Gravy
even when scare asked if they could lynch anyone besides red and Gravy borught up VI, Dowolf didnt go for it

I have to say, dowolf still looks town to me after this
there is setting up a scumpartner to look good later, and then there is a needless sacrifice
and to me red would be more of the latter if dowolf is scum, even with the scan from cop, town was losing power quickly and sbell already claimed to be a BG who scum apparently successfully roleblocked twice. and soon after dowolfs vote, the prosty also revealed himself
I dont see why Dowolf would amp up the pressure, red didnt even claim power to get the heat off
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well to summarize
still see dowolf as town
less sure about gravy being the scum and less sure about sbell being town (but only slightly in both cases)
so effectively I only made this worse for myself

one more thing to do
check Leo and people mentioning Leo
I completely forgot red was a replacement of him
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though Gravy I cant completely like, since his investigation seems to have been done offscreen (so to speak) and his posts have this 'sideline observer' affect to them.

possibly just a result of him not wanting to get in the heavy arguments, but seeing him ask Dowolf for a NL just now makes me twitch
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Obellisk posted...

Yeah, you have nothing against me except lol votals and lol if he's town then scum was so ooooo bad.

That is one way of phrasing it. I prefer to phrase it as, "if scum played rationally -- which is not an illogical assumption -- then SBell is scum."

Obellisk posted...

You use votals to confirm gravy but damn me?

Yeah pretty much.

greengravy294 posted...

dowolf are we going to NL here or what

Eventually yeah.
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I wont be mad if we NL tonight (or you, since you only need 2 votes)
because I feel like I have already nearly exhausted the archives

though if I get killed tonight, dowolf do claim the next day
I dont think you are scum, but just in case I was wrong somehow, I at least dont want to get it thrown in my face that I let the last scum get through the game unclaimed
if you can understand that bit of pride inside me
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htaeD posted...

though Gravy I cant completely like, since his investigation seems to have been done offscreen (so to speak) and his posts have this 'sideline observer' affect to them.

possibly just a result of him not wanting to get in the heavy arguments, but seeing him ask Dowolf for a NL just now makes me twitch

I'm not seeing the dowolf investigations. Are you?

Frankly if all 3 of you are ready to lynch sbell. I might as well just not waste the next 72 hours of my life trying to veer the two remaining town in yhe three of you that you are wrong. I have work and a family as well. But that's anti-town and then I'll have to hear that shit at end game and fuck.

I promised I wouldn't get angry over this but the frustration of trying to get through to any of you is wearing on me. It's like talking to trump supporters.

Well I'm done for now. I'll read on my own time, end the day if you want. I know I have 24 full hours to send in my bodyguard so at least I have control over that.
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yes dowolf seems to have also done his investigation before the day started
but I still like dowolf more than Gravy..

I will ask him though, when did you figure sbell was the last scum? it sounds like it happened during day5
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Yeah I'd like to hear something based on my play from dowolf and not based on circumstance. A good town player wouldn't rely on role meta to win the game.
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also Leo was a bust
nobody alive mentioned him much and Leo never said anything besides regretting signing up
and now I dont want to look at the color blue anymore for a while
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htaeD posted...

I wont be mad if we NL tonight (or you, since you only need 2 votes)
because I feel like I have already nearly exhausted the archives

though if I get killed tonight, dowolf do claim the next day
I dont think you are scum, but just in case I was wrong somehow, I at least dont want to get it thrown in my face that I let the last scum get through the game unclaimed
if you can understand that bit of pride inside me

I mean, I can just claim now. I more refused because Plum was needlessly stalling the game more than anything else >_> I'm Nagai Naoyuki, Vanilla, IIRC. I'm far too lazy to look up my role PM.

htaeD posted...

yes dowolf seems to have also done his investigation before the day started

This is correct.

htaeD posted...

I will ask him though, when did you figure sbell was the last scum? it sounds like it happened during day5

Saturday, while I was taking a shower.

I am not relying solely on role meta. Not even primarily! I would appreciate it if you would stop insinuating otherwise.
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heh, well thanks anyway

and thats oddly specific, but bathrooms tend to give me revelations too
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So what am I missing here dowolf.

A. Your argument is that other people look more town.

B. Bodyguard doesn't make sense.

C. He unvoted Red, to try to save him (even though that's not what I was doing)

Got anything else, cause you are disavowing my whole body of work this game.

And the fact that you still won't answer why you never voted for your assassin on day 1 when you had plenty of reason to still should be addressed.
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And why has gravy now also fallen silent?


It's not fair to town that our whole game has fallen on my shoulders.

I'll be back later, going to go decompress and hopefully come back to some rational thinking.
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anyway
thats it for me
not sure if it matters now if a NL happens tonight (my night that is)
but Dowolf, I would like a full recap of your arguments against sbell/for Gravy
if the day is still going tomorrow, I suppose I can just dig through the topics even more
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already agreed that Gravy should post more
if/when he can
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You are missing the part where scum not roleblocking the claimed scanner doesn't make sense.

htaeD posted...

but Dowolf, I would like a full recap of your arguments against sbell/for Gravy

dowolf posted...

Okay. So we're no lynching. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, SBell is the last scum. Why?

Gravy and Death are cleared by votals. This should be fairly obvious to all of you. Gravy was opposite a scum lynch, and was pushed by Red. Death was a super-key vote in lynching Red, coming in both 2nd and 4th on the lynch. Meanwhile, we have a really overpowered town. Jailkeeper + Bodyguard + Cop + Prostitute + Jack with two scans and a full-save? In 15? Seriously? Something is majorly wrong here.

Additionally, if SBell is town, scum grievously misplayed n2. The correct play, 100% of the time, is to block and kill KBM. If SBell is telling the truth, they didn't do that. Instead, they blocked blindly. We know it must have been blind because we know, thanks to Plum's detective scan, that the final scum is the roleblocker.

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Plum was dropping power hints all fucking game before he finally revealed. Or did you not read back and see all that?

Why exactly, didn't Plum get roleblocked even once? Have you even once thought about that. Do you use the same logic that makes me scum, explain away why obv. power Plum got off all 3 of his powers?
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Actually that last post is for all 3 of you however the snark is only directed at dowolf.
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dowolf, gravy, death, only 1 of you is scum. Will the other two please rationalize why Plum got all 3 powers off if he was hinting power and the scum team absolutely has a roleblocker.

Why is This story more believable: The Scum team missed N1, used the roleblock on KBM w/ the kill N2 and then still didn't target Plum who had been hinting power?

Than this story: For some reason Scum has targeted me 5 Nights in a Row with the goddamn roleblock.
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Obellisk posted...

Plum was dropping power hints all fucking game before he finally revealed. Or did you not read back and see all that?

Why exactly, didn't Plum get roleblocked even once? Have you even once thought about that. Do you use the same logic that makes me scum, explain away why obv. power Plum got off all 3 of his powers?

1) Scum missed the hints. Hell, I missed the hints, so >_>
2) Considering that a jack with two scans wouldn't want to be blocked, one must assume any hints of Plum's you believe you have found were designed to be found only in hindsight anyways.
3) Who blocks a bodyguard over a jack i mean srsly. Your entire argument is based on the assumption scum knew you were bodyguard, so this is relevant.
4) Really the snark is kind of unnecessary. It almost makes me think you're not actually trying to convince me you're town!
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There are currently no votes placed.

With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch (or 2 to No Lynch). Day ends at 5:58:32 PM EDT tomorrow (Approximately 20 hours and 5 minutes)
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24 hours have passed. Death's done his thing. I just want to move this game along.

##Vote: No Lynch
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agreed. busy night, but ive decided on a NL (i did like day 4 but that failed, obviously, since dowolf switched). in case i die i think my vote is obvious.

##Vote: NL
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Stop
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[2] No Lynch - Dowolf, Gravy

There has been no lynch

Alive (4):
Death
Dowolf
Gravy
SBell

Dead (10):
[LD1] Oddity - Enomoto Takeaki, TOWN Vanilla
[KN1] Tombolo - Katsu Kaishu, TOWN Jailkeeper
[KN1] Chris - Matsudaira Sadaaki, TOWN Vanilla
[LD2] pezloco - Kirino Toshiaki, MAFIA Assassin
[KN2] KBM - Hijikata Toshizo, TOWN Cop
[LD3] Red - Saigo Takamori, MAFIA Vanilla
[KN3] Phoenix - Takenaka Shigekata, TOWN Prostitute
[LD4] VeryInsane - Meiji, MAFIA Godfather
[KN4] Plum - Tokugawa Yoshinobu, TOWN Jack of All Trades
[LD5] Scare - Yamakawa Hiroshi, TOWN Vanilla
[KN5] Sceptile - Makino Tadakuni, TOWN Vanilla

Day will start when all players PM me, or in 24 hours, whichever comes first. Given my work schedule, MZero will likely be the one to put it up
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Nobody died

Alive (4):
Death
Dowolf
Gravy
SBell

Dead (10):
[LD1] Oddity - Enomoto Takeaki, TOWN Vanilla
[KN1] Tombolo - Katsu Kaishu, TOWN Jailkeeper
[KN1] Chris - Matsudaira Sadaaki, TOWN Vanilla
[LD2] pezloco - Kirino Toshiaki, MAFIA Assassin
[KN2] KBM - Hijikata Toshizo, TOWN Cop
[LD3] Red - Saigo Takamori, MAFIA Vanilla
[KN3] Phoenix - Takenaka Shigekata, TOWN Prostitute
[LD4] VeryInsane - Meiji, MAFIA Godfather
[KN4] Plum - Tokugawa Yoshinobu, TOWN Jack of All Trades
[LD5] Scare - Yamakawa Hiroshi, TOWN Vanilla
[KN5] Sceptile - Makino Tadakuni, TOWN Vanilla

With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch (or 2 to No Lynch). Day ends 48 hours from this post

@htaeD
@dowolf
@greengravy294
@Obellisk
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##vote: NL
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what.

scum plz.

I WANT THIS GAME TO HAVE FINITE DURATION.

not gonna end the day before everyone checks in but c'mon.
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i am actually pissed at scum so much right now.

you have no idea.
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was secretly hoping to be dead already
instead I just got more questions...
..
..I want to see what sbell has to say
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A wise man once said, "You should never believe a thing simply because you want to believe it"

I have nothing to say. I've said my peace. The remaining town chooses to think with scum and nothing more.

Town has already lost this game.
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Actually, here is my only thought.

Death should be dead. And the fact that he's not now means he is in no way clear.

If gravy is scum he knew he could escape with an sbell lynch.

If dowolf is scum he knew he could escape with an sbell lynch.

If death is scum how could he explain being alive at final 3 when the clear consensus is that he is town. He should have been nk'd.

And to play fair, if Sbell is scum it's in his best interest to keep as many people alive as possible.
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I thought you said you were gonna read through the archives?

I admit I did theorize that I was kept alive because I was the only one hesitating to vote sbell
but that could be true or just another layer of WIFOM. it seems too transparent or just enough to loop back to being obtuse
argh
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or, of course, you/scum kept me alive to try and turn me into a suspect again
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htaeD posted...

or, of course, you/scum kept me alive to try and turn me into a suspect again

Unnecessary for Gravy or dowolf to do that.

They could have easily walked in and lynched me. It's what they plan on doing.

As for the archives, I didnt. After dowolf and gravy decided to end early I decided to say fuck this shit. No use arguing with a brick wall. Of course now that you are still alive that changes things doesn't it.
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yes I may just be theorizing too much
the simplest explanation to this action points towards you being the scum

still, if the plan is to infinitely NL until scum gets tired and kills me (or whoever), I am ready to go for it
but I am not gonna do anything til I hear from dowolf and Gravy again (and now is a bad time to end the day obviously)
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I dont feel like playing these games.

Just kill someone so that we can end this abortion of an end game.

##vote: NL
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pretty sure that's STOP
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Stop

There was no lynch

Day will start when everybody PMs me or in 24 hours
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Nobody died

Alive (4):
Death
Dowolf
Gravy
SBell

Dead (10):
[LD1] Oddity - Enomoto Takeaki, TOWN Vanilla
[KN1] Tombolo - Katsu Kaishu, TOWN Jailkeeper
[KN1] Chris - Matsudaira Sadaaki, TOWN Vanilla
[LD2] pezloco - Kirino Toshiaki, MAFIA Assassin
[KN2] KBM - Hijikata Toshizo, TOWN Cop
[LD3] Red - Saigo Takamori, MAFIA Vanilla
[KN3] Phoenix - Takenaka Shigekata, TOWN Prostitute
[LD4] VeryInsane - Meiji, MAFIA Godfather
[KN4] Plum - Tokugawa Yoshinobu, TOWN Jack of All Trades
[LD5] Scare - Yamakawa Hiroshi, TOWN Vanilla
[KN5] Sceptile - Makino Tadakuni, TOWN Vanilla

With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch (or 2 to No Lynch). Day ends 48 hours from this post

@htaeD
@dowolf
@greengravy294
@Obellisk
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greengravy294 posted...

##vote: NL

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