Board 8 > Hearthstone Discussion Topic: BONESTORM!

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Flare losing to Counterspell doesn't matter much right now, since there's no common deck that's running Counterspell. Of course, Quest Mage isn't a common deck either, but that's not the point.

Flare used to be a bad pick in the previous meta because Hunter should beat Freeze Mage without Flare maybe 80/20, and against Secret Mage, Counterspell becomes a concern. Here, well. At least you can cycle it, and maybe kill a Finja.
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dowolf posted...

Flare losing to Counterspell doesn't matter much right now, since there's no common deck that's running Counterspell. Of course, Quest Mage isn't a common deck either, but that's not the point.

Flare used to be a bad pick in the previous meta because Hunter should beat Freeze Mage without Flare maybe 80/20, and against Secret Mage, Counterspell becomes a concern. Here, well. At least you can cycle it, and maybe kill a Finja.

Can't you just run like, Kodo and kill it? >_>
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Kodo is way too dead a draw against too many decks.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

dowolf posted...

Kodo is way too dead a draw against too many decks.

That's why Aldor Peacekeeper exists!

Not in hunter it doesn't >_>
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dowolf posted...

The counter to Quest Mage is aggro. Yes, it's good against super greedy decks that don't intend to do anything for the first several turns. If you're running into hosts of Quest Mages, play something more aggressive.

Yeah when I run priest I've put in eos as one of my techs because the matchup is almost unwinnable without it.
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Hunters Mark won't help with stealthed minions or Stampeding Kodo. Does help with Dispatch Kodo

Hunter has a couple of minions which do damage on death though. And DK Rexxar can make poisonous/large dispatch Kodos or deathrattle poison damage minions.

was hand buff hunter ever a thing during un'goro? smuggler's crate/shaky zipgunner/hidden cache/rat pack/dispatch kodo etc
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I think I hate the Lich King. It seems like the only thing I ever get from it is the damned card that removes the top five cards from your deck which does me a whole lot of good when by the time I draw him that's half my remaining deck.
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Dopplegangster Evolve into Thrall Deathseer (After clearing Lich King and Drake) is pretty good

I got an Argent Commander and a Charging Devilsaur out of the Deathseer too. >_>
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Camden posted...

I think I hate the Lich King. It seems like the only thing I ever get from it is the damned card that removes the top five cards from your deck which does me a whole lot of good when by the time I draw him that's half my remaining deck.

It averages out. I lost a couple games back to back because my opponent got the exact right result from LK. Interestingly, both situations involved my opponent getting my arcane giants...
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VeryInsane posted...

Dopplegangster Evolve

Can I just take a moment to say this is beyond dumb? I wasn't around for Un'Goro or even most of Kara and I'm just getting around to this. Why is it a good idea to let someone summon three six drops for six mana?
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Well they programmed Evolve and Dopplegangster to always be in the opposite sides of the deck


or maybe that's just me
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It is kinda stupid but 6 drop value has deteriorated a bit from this new expansion
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Seems like the meta right now (at least at lower ranks) doesn't seem to account for aggro like at all. Like my deck is kinda borderline aggro borderline mid-Hunter and I'm just waltzing through every match because nobody has an answer to it at all.

Think from 20 > 14 I've lost 4 matches with most games ending in the Turn 5-9 range

it's funny because it took until halfway through the expansion after those cards were released for them to see any real results.

They work as a restocking tool, as a way to get back into the game when behind. They're fine, really.
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I've come across two Pirate Warriors today. The honeymoon is ending.
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dowolf posted...

it's funny because it took until halfway through the expansion after those cards were released for them to see any real results.

They work as a restocking tool, as a way to get back into the game when behind. They're fine, really.

A restocking tool, sure? But like, doesn't that just ignore the fact they also can be coined out on turn 5?
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Good. I eat pirate warriors.

Eh, Shaman has tools outside of Dopplegangster and Evolve. The Jade Package (Claws and Lightning) is just so strong
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VeryInsane posted...

Eh, Shaman has tools outside of Dopplegangster and Evolve. The Jade Package (Claws and Lightning) is just so strong

That...also misses the point though. I'm not saying the meta is broken because of it or that it's shaman's best tool. Just that to me it seems like way higher value per mana ratio than should be possible for such a simple two card play.
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Like I get that it isn't straight up 3x value since battle cries and stuff like that don't work. But for comparison, what other combos are out there that compare in terms of value per mana and also consider the number of cards needed?
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Devolve is pretty ridiculous value depending on what's on the board

bng_mmmk posted...

dowolf posted...

it's funny because it took until halfway through the expansion after those cards were released for them to see any real results.

They work as a restocking tool, as a way to get back into the game when behind. They're fine, really.

A restocking tool, sure? But like, doesn't that just ignore the fact they also can be coined out on turn 5?

Sure, if you've drawn both of those cards by turn 5, which is decently unlikely (if you haven't played the deck: you never keep Doppel without Evolve, and you very rarely do the opposite). It's a powerful 2-card combo, but if you're relying on getting it on turn 5, you're generally going to be disappointed. There's also limited options for high-rolling, while there's a number of ways to low-roll incredibly badly ("Here's my little friend!" but nobody came).

Lots of cards do insane things, given synergy. I'm okay with this; it's what makes the game fun.
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I spent half my dust crafting Guldan, then spent my 100 gold to buy a pack. Had a legendary in it.

The worst kind of ordering error. Now I'll never know if I could have saved the dust or not...
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Got uther from a pack. Hooray?
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ShatteredElysium posted...

Devolve is pretty ridiculous value depending on what's on the board

Don't get me started on devolve.
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Camden posted...

I spent half my dust crafting Guldan, then spent my 100 gold to buy a pack. Had a legendary in it.

The worst kind of ordering error. Now I'll never know if I could have saved the dust or not...

At least you didn't get a second Guldangerous.
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Arena #3
I was Offered: Druid/Hunter/Shaman
I picked: Druid.


Literally just rolled a randomizer and went with what it said. Obviously I'm most comfortable and have the most expertise with Hunter but I want to try and make other stuff work, too. We'll see how it goes.

The Draft: Got a bunch of really, really garbage cards offered. The synergy picks at the start were especially terrible. I could see it going 0-3 easily.

Game 1: Vs Mage. I went First. Below average opener, but he did hero power on turn 2 which is probably a good thing for me. Mirror Entity on turn 3. I played around it pretty well. I drew Ultimate Infestation early on so I played really liberal with my cards and tried to empty my hand as we approached the late game. I seized tempo early on thanks to this aggressively play and actually clinched the game pretty easily. Win.

Game 2: Vs Mage. I went Second. He played Doomsayer on turn 2 which I was totally okay with. The game basically started with both of us at 3 mana and him down one card. Had tempo disadvantage the entire game and got meteor'd as well, but I played a pretty clutch Ultimate Infestation to stay in the game for a while. Misplayed into a secret after that which cost me the game. Loss.

Game 3: Vs Shaman. I went Second. Weak opener, but with lots of options from 3 mana onward. He had no board and tried to smorc me down with Doomhammer for some reason. I just... have no idea. Basically was handed a victory here. He did play an INSANE corpsetaker on turn 7 but yeah. Also I'm not entirely sure how a Shaman gets access to divine shield, taunt, lifesteal, AND windfury but there it is. Ultimate Infestation for the finisher again. Win.

Game 4: Vs Mage. I went First. Decent opener finally. I had tempo advantage early on but made some bad trades. I think I just become naturally tilted when I queue against Mage, causing me to make misplays, causing me to get even more tilted next time I play Mage. It's an endless cycle. I innervated out Ultimate Infestation on turn 8, he instantly conceded. Man this card is an absolute monster in arena. I've been pretty lucky to keep drawing it early. Win.

Ultimate Infestation is fucking insane. I was definitely wrong about this card, I did not think it would be this good.

Game 5: Vs Mage. I went Second. Lot of Mages on tonight... I had the coin and lots of 3/4 drops in my opening hand so I actually just kept them and figured I'd start going with 3 drops on turn 2 and see how it plays out. I also drew a 2 drop right after which really opened up my options. Best opener I've had so far. I got him to ping on turn 3, allowing me to ramp with jade blossom and not worry about instantly losing the board. Then he's forced to play an off-tempo volcanic potion on 4 and I instantly refill the board. He pings again on 5. At this point I have a pretty big tempo lead but his card advantage is looking troublesome. He got insane value off of two stonehill defenders and a lich king but I was too far ahead on board for it to matter. I didn't even draw Ultimate Infestation this time! Win.

Game 6: Vs Mage. I went Second. Okay really this shit is getting old now. He ping-passed on turn 2 and I had a decent opening hand so I decided not to waste the coin. I think I can seize tempo better on turn 3 or 4. I got him to ping on turn 3 as well so yeah I'm already well ahead. This seems to be the key to beating mage, especially when you go second. Got fucked over by breath of sindragosa. Sigh. Had to use the coin to prevent myself from falling behind rather than seizing an advantage... always a bad thing, especially against Mage. He went volcanosaur into bonemare for a 9 attack windfury minion. Loss.
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I have not won a single game where the opponent played Ultimate Infestation against me. Including a couple of losses where I had them down to low single digits before they played it.

I think it's because if you don't have an immediate answer to it, it is very likely they drew something to take complete control of the board. Granted I've always been at a disadvantage against it because of playing a fast deck so by the time that gets thrown down, it's over unless I have a large board (in which case they concede rather than throw it down probably)

UltimaterializerX posted...

I'm going to stream an arena run if you guys want to see me fail hilariously at it. First one with the new set and it's guaranteed to be a disaster.

I'd watch, but not right now since I'm currently playing.
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Arena #3 (cont.)
{Druid}

Game 7: Vs Rogue. I went First. I had a curve, it wasn't great, but I kept it. Don't want to lose tempo against a Rogue. I got him to ignore my board and curved perfectly into a turn 4 power of the wild with three minions on board. VALUE. He had some pretty strong elemental synergies which kept the game close. Tolvir Stoneshaper alone stopped me for three full turns. VALUE. I got insanely lucky and pulled Aya from Shallow Gravedigger, filling out my jade curve at 3/3 and 4/4. Ultimate Infestation for Lethal. Win.

Game 8: Vs Druid. I went First. Really bad opener. I got lucky and his wasn't MUCH better. Weirdly enough it's a clutch Mindbreaker keeping a bunch of my 1 health minions alive in the midgame that helps me seize tempo. Well alright then. 8/9 Volcanosaur on turn 7 to push the lategame advantage. Oh yes. He did Naturalize it but man this just means an extra 2 cards for me and I was still ahead on board when all was said and done. He did not come back from this. Win.

Btw that Bloodworm with lifesteal seems like a GREAT card. I don't have it in my deck but I ran into several opponents with it so far this run and it always seems clutch as hell.

Btw btw I love Shallow Gravedigger.

Gonna stop for now so I can watch Ulti play I guess.
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had to get streamlink working but I'm watching now
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I missed everything except the very end of that game.

also watching you type and post is weird.
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... did that guy just concede on turn 2
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Added Youthful Brew and The Black Knight to my priest and took out Horror and Geist. Golakka Crawler and Ooze in too.

Getting like double kazaks, or even like glimmerroot or something is such insane value.

Had one game where I played Kazakas FIVE TIMES. (Although the opponent helped me a bit with that somehow).
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jeez that match was disgusting. the northshire cleric he played on turn 1 got completely out of control. I don't even know if there's anything you could have done.
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