Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 123: Heather Heyer

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MenuWars
08/14/17 11:28:11 AM
#101:


The fact that Nazis have openly shown up and told Donald Trump they believe he loves them, and he's said fuck all about it is beyond repugnant.
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xp1337
08/14/17 11:28:23 AM
#102:


Whatever happened to the whole emoluments clause challenge anyway? I thought some group intended to take it to court.

I had absolutely zero expectations of it actually doing anything, but I was a bit curious as to what outcome it would produce.
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Jakyl25
08/14/17 11:29:44 AM
#103:


It's like John Oliver said last night

Nazis are like cats. If they love you, it's because you're feeding them.
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Jakyl25
08/14/17 11:31:12 AM
#104:


MenuWars posted...
The fact that Nazis have openly shown up and told Donald Trump they believe he loves them, and he's said fuck all about it is beyond repugnant.


Even THE MOOCH is on TV telling Trump he needs to step up and condemn them
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FFDragon
08/14/17 11:33:10 AM
#105:


whoa what
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MenuWars
08/14/17 11:33:38 AM
#106:


He should've condemned their actions immediately anyway, the fact he's now emboldening them is beyond a joke. He probably fucking is a nazi at this point. There's no other way it makes sense.

It's like been told good job by Satan, surely you fucking reevaluate a little (a lot), after telling old Red chops to fuck off?
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The Mana Sword
08/14/17 11:33:44 AM
#107:


Trump: "Would Obama denounce Nazis?"
Staff: "Yeah probably"
Trump: "We don't do that"
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xp1337
08/14/17 11:36:55 AM
#108:


Jakyl25 posted...
It's like John Oliver said last night

giving shoutouts to Ocarina of Time?
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Jakyl25
08/14/17 11:37:04 AM
#109:


FFDragon posted...
whoa what


"I think he needed to be much harsher relating to the white supremacists ... It's terrorism. You have to call that stuff out," said Anthony Scaramucci, who briefly served as White House communications director, on ABC's "This Week."

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EndOfDiscOne
08/14/17 11:40:14 AM
#110:


xp1337 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
It's like John Oliver said last night

giving shoutouts to Ocarina of Time?


What did he say?
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SupremeZero
08/14/17 11:41:23 AM
#111:


EndOfDiscOne posted...
xp1337 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
It's like John Oliver said last night

giving shoutouts to Ocarina of Time?


What did he say?

That if you ask if someone is aroused by the great fairy, and they just kind of walk away, you know their answer.
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Jakyl25
08/14/17 11:42:32 AM
#112:


MenuWars posted...
He probably f***ing is a nazi at this point. There's no other way it makes sense.


He doesn't believe in anything strongly enough to be a Nazi

We've seen how far flattery will get you with Trump. Who flatters him more than white supremacists? They love him and tell him so!
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The Mana Sword
08/14/17 11:43:41 AM
#113:


Jakyl25 posted...
MenuWars posted...
He probably f***ing is a nazi at this point. There's no other way it makes sense.


He doesn't believe in anything strongly enough to be a Nazi

We've seen how far flattery will get you with Trump. Who flatters him more than white supremacists? They love him and tell him so!


Yeah, this is pretty much it. Trump doesn't care what company he keeps as long as they stroke his ego.
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MenuWars
08/14/17 11:49:17 AM
#114:


https://twitter.com/haveigotnews/status/897084953040752640
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Jakyl25
08/14/17 12:00:18 PM
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The Mana Sword
08/14/17 12:01:31 PM
#116:


dude's too busy rearranging costco book displays to cool down his takes
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Peace___Frog
08/14/17 12:01:43 PM
#117:


Note that wang, seph, and ulti have all used the argument in the nested tweet below.


https://twitter.com/Harryslaststand/status/896347576366223360

I guess I got confused when they gave the #Hitler salute and chanted "blood and soil" b/c it reminded me of who I fought in my youth. https://t.co/Z8NNfcbGAj
They're not nazis, just disaffected young white men asserting themselves. But this type of name calling pushes lots of us farther right


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xp1337
08/14/17 12:06:22 PM
#118:


The thing that always gets me about that "argument" is the irony of it being used by supposedly "anti-politically correct" advocates.
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Jakyl25
08/14/17 12:10:34 PM
#119:


And then those same people upset at being called Nazis will turn around and call people "feminazis"
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Kenri
08/14/17 12:10:59 PM
#120:


I think the nuance ignored there is that you can legitimately be a disaffected young white man asserting yourself and still be a horrible racist monster. You know, like the original Nazis were.

Being disaffected isn't actually an excuse, as much as our society tries to make it so white men feel no consequences for their actions ever.
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MenuWars
08/14/17 12:24:32 PM
#121:


Kenri posted...
I think the nuance ignored there is that you can legitimately be a disaffected young white man asserting yourself and still be a horrible racist monster. You know, like the original Nazis were.

Being disaffected isn't actually an excuse, as much as our society tries to make it so white men feel no consequences for their actions ever.



Have you learned nothing this weekend?
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Kenri
08/14/17 12:31:47 PM
#122:


MenuWars posted...
Have you learned nothing this weekend?

No, not really, absolutely nothing happened that surprised me in any way.

But what does this refer to specifically
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MenuWars
08/14/17 12:41:15 PM
#123:


Kenri posted...
MenuWars posted...
Have you learned nothing this weekend?

No, not really, absolutely nothing happened that surprised me in any way.

But what does this refer to specifically



That trying to blame a race for a small portion of it being a problem, is how this bullshit started in the first place.

What colour would you say the Jews are predominantly? What colour would you say the people that fought against the Nazis were predominantly?

What colour were the people ethnically cleansing in the middle east predominantly?

Do you think it's okay we make these exact same excuses for BLM when they shoot white cops? You think there were no women at the rally?

It's all just us bastard whites.

It's not about hatred and extremism and radicalised views spreading through gross misuse of language and propaganda.

It's just about white men. Right? Those bastards... because making an opposite grand sweeping generalisation totally won't corrupt the minds of those disenfranchised people on the other side. Nope not at all.

*spits dummy out, flips table, shits on everything* LEARN
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StealThisSheen
08/14/17 12:43:56 PM
#124:


MenuWars posted...
Kenri posted...
MenuWars posted...
Have you learned nothing this weekend?

No, not really, absolutely nothing happened that surprised me in any way.

But what does this refer to specifically



That trying to blame a race for a small portion of it being a problem, is how this bullshit started in the first place.

What colour would you say the Jews are predominantly? What colour would you say the people that fought against the Nazis were predominantly?

What colour were the people ethnically cleansing in the middle east predominantly?

Do you think it's okay we make these exact same excuses for BLM when they shoot white cops? You think there were no women at the rally?

It's all just us bastard whites.

It's not about hatred and extremism and radicalised views spreading through gross misuse of language and propaganda.

It's just about white men. Right? Those bastards... because making an opposite grand sweeping generalisation totally won't corrupt the minds of those disenfranchised people on the other side. Nope not at all.

*spits dummy out, flips table, shits on everything* LEARN


...He didn't say all white men?
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Kenri
08/14/17 12:45:52 PM
#125:


what

it's literally a white supremacist rally, of course they're almost all white

??
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MenuWars
08/14/17 12:46:48 PM
#126:


MenuWars posted...
as much as our society tries to make it so white men feel no consequences for their actions ever.



??
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StealThisSheen
08/14/17 12:47:44 PM
#128:


MenuWars posted...
MenuWars posted...
as much as our society tries to make it so white men feel no consequences for their actions ever.



??


How are you getting "All white men are racist shits" out of that?
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Kenri
08/14/17 12:48:36 PM
#129:


MenuWars posted...
MenuWars posted...
as much as our society tries to make it so white men feel no consequences for their actions ever.



??

this is blaming our society, not any random white person who had nothing to do with the fact that they don't usually deal with consequences
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StealThisSheen
08/14/17 12:49:41 PM
#130:


Like, he's saying that white supremacists are benefiting from white men getting better treatment when they do things wrong, which is a fair statement in itself if "white privilege" is an argument you make.

He's not saying "All white men are racist nazis."
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MenuWars
08/14/17 12:49:50 PM
#131:


I give up with you guys.
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StealThisSheen
08/14/17 12:51:29 PM
#132:


MenuWars posted...
I give up with you guys.


...But he's not saying what you think he's saying. That's not his fault.
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Jakyl25
08/14/17 12:52:53 PM
#133:


MenuWars posted...
Do you think it's okay we make these exact same excuses for BLM when they shoot white cops?


...BLM doesn't shoot cops. WTF?
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MenuWars
08/14/17 12:53:05 PM
#134:


Right, saying white males never have to take responsibility for their actions, is a totally valid statement. My bad. Of course.
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The Mana Sword
08/14/17 12:53:17 PM
#135:


Anyway

Trump made a statement actually condemning the stuff going on this weekend. It was the bare minimal and insincere as hell, but hey he's on vacation so we wouldn't want him to put in any actual effort.
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StealThisSheen
08/14/17 12:53:44 PM
#136:


Like, I'm still confused how Kenri making an argument saying "white privilege" is a thing and white supremacists are taking advantage of it is somehow "white people are the problem, down with white people!"

That's a huuuuge leap
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MenuWars
08/14/17 12:54:06 PM
#137:


Jakyl25 posted...
MenuWars posted...
Do you think it's okay we make these exact same excuses for BLM when they shoot white cops?


...BLM doesn't shoot cops. WTF?


Oh I must've imagined those cop killings at the riots then. Man these drugs I'm on are great.
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StealThisSheen
08/14/17 12:55:03 PM
#138:


MenuWars posted...
Right, saying white males never have to take responsibility for their actions, is a totally valid statement. My bad. Of course.


"as much as our society tries to make it so white men feel no consequences for their actions ever."

These two things aren't the same...?
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Jakyl25
08/14/17 12:55:23 PM
#139:


MenuWars posted...
Right, saying white males never have to take responsibility for their actions, is a totally valid statement. My bad. Of course.


He's saying society has set it up so that they don't have to do so to the degree that minorities do.

He's not saying that white men DON'T take responsibility for their actions. Most do!
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Peace___Frog
08/14/17 12:55:28 PM
#140:


If by that you mean his "both sides are violent" thing then that's not even the bare minimum.
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scarletspeed7
08/14/17 12:56:18 PM
#141:


I think the big issue is that "as much as our society tries to make it so white men feel no consequences for their actions ever" is phrased really awkwardly.
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Jakyl25
08/14/17 12:56:31 PM
#142:


MenuWars posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
MenuWars posted...
Do you think it's okay we make these exact same excuses for BLM when they shoot white cops?


...BLM doesn't shoot cops. WTF?


Oh I must've imagined those cop killings at the riots then. Man these drugs I'm on are great.


You mean the sniper in Dallas?

That wasn't BLM. That happened after the rally.
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The Mana Sword
08/14/17 12:56:53 PM
#143:


Peace___Frog posted...
If by that you mean his "both sides are violent" thing then that's not even the bare minimum.


No, like he just made a statement like 5 minutes ago that specifically called out KKK, White Supremecists, etc
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Peace___Frog
08/14/17 12:57:09 PM
#144:


MenuWars posted...

Oh I must've imagined those cop killings at the riots then. Man these drugs I'm on are great.

If you're referring to the asshole that killed cops during a blm rally, which blm was quick to condemn, then you're not presenting the entire sequence of events.
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Suprak the Stud
08/14/17 12:57:31 PM
#145:


MenuWars posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
MenuWars posted...
Do you think it's okay we make these exact same excuses for BLM when they shoot white cops?


...BLM doesn't shoot cops. WTF?


Oh I must've imagined those cop killings at the riots then. Man these drugs I'm on are great.


What do you think the core message of BLM is? What do you think the core message of Neo-Nazis are?
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Peace___Frog
08/14/17 12:57:47 PM
#146:


scarletspeed7 posted...
I think the big issue is that "as much as our society tries to make it so white men feel no consequences for their actions ever" is phrased really awkwardly.

also this


But menu is still making leaps in logic even larger than Wang normally does
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Regaro
08/14/17 12:57:54 PM
#147:


Jakyl25 posted...
You mean the sniper in Dallas?

That wasn't BLM. That happened after the rally.

Yep. And nobody was making excuses for that idiot. Especially not actually here in Dallas, from what I saw.
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Jakyl25
08/14/17 12:58:23 PM
#148:


Peace___Frog posted...
MenuWars posted...

Oh I must've imagined those cop killings at the riots then. Man these drugs I'm on are great.

If you're referring to the asshole that killed cops during a blm rally, which blm was quick to condemn, then you're not presenting the entire sequence of events.


It's like blanket saying conservatives are responsible for Charlottesville.
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StealThisSheen
08/14/17 12:58:39 PM
#149:


scarletspeed7 posted...
I think the big issue is that "as much as our society tries to make it so white men feel no consequences for their actions ever" is phrased really awkwardly.


It's phrased awkwardly, yeah. But Menu's reaction to having it explained to him what Kenri meant shouldn't be "I'm giving up on you guys" and to double down on the misunderstanding.
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xp1337
08/14/17 12:58:55 PM
#150:


The Mana Sword posted...
Anyway

Trump made a statement actually condemning the stuff going on this weekend. It was the bare minimal and insincere as hell, but hey he's on vacation so we wouldn't want him to put in any actual effort.

Gonna be frustrating to see parts of the media act like this is significant and not that it took three days and his real response was already sent well before.

but hey maybe they'll surprise me and call this out for what it is
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Regaro
08/14/17 12:59:04 PM
#151:


Anyways, anybody trying to play the "both sides are the same" card here are either idiots of the highest order, or willfully misrepresenting things.

Take your pick.
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