Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 123: Heather Heyer

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Peace___Frog 08/14/17 2:06:47 PM #203:	transcience posted... did this get posted yet? https://mobile.twitter.com/CNN/status/897138474603737088 Far too little, far too late. Firing bannon is the only action that would make me believe he's sincere. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:884761345] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>transcience posted...</cite> <quote>did this get posted yet? https://mobile.twitter.com/CNN/status/897138474603737088</quote> Far too little, far too late. Firing bannon is the only action that would make me believe he's sincere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 08/14/17 2:07:41 PM #204:	Peace___Frog posted... transcience posted... did this get posted yet? https://mobile.twitter.com/CNN/status/897138474603737088 Far too little, far too late. Firing bannon is the only action that would make me believe he's sincere. Seems like Gorka would be the higher priority in this case. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:884761402] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peace___Frog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>transcience posted...</cite> <quote>did this get posted yet? https://mobile.twitter.com/CNN/status/897138474603737088</quote> Far too little, far too late. Firing bannon is the only action that would make me believe he's sincere.</quote> Seems like Gorka would be the higher priority in this case.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Regaro 08/14/17 2:08:18 PM #205:	transcience posted... did this get posted yet? https://mobile.twitter.com/CNN/status/897138474603737088 Honestly, does anybody think this is anything more than a PR stunt to stave off the backlash? His immediate statement literally has the nazi types saying Trump condones them, and this one is transparently insincere --- Congratulations to BKSheikah, winner of the BYIG Guru Contest <cite>Regaro posted [p:884761440] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>transcience posted...</cite> <quote>did this get posted yet? https://mobile.twitter.com/CNN/status/897138474603737088</quote> Honestly, does anybody think this is anything more than a PR stunt to stave off the backlash? His immediate statement literally has the nazi types saying Trump condones them, and this one is transparently insincere</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 08/14/17 2:08:24 PM #206:	Jakyl25 posted... xp1337 posted... So, every argument has to be re-litigated ad infinitum? We need more groups that advocate a geocentric view of astronomy. New generations haven't heard it yet! i mean this is literally the "teach the debate" position re: evolution --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:884761445] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>So, every argument has to be re-litigated ad infinitum?</quote> We need more groups that advocate a geocentric view of astronomy. New generations haven't heard it yet!</quote> i mean this is literally the "teach the debate" position re: evolution</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/14/17 2:09:31 PM #207:	transcience posted... did this get posted yet? https://mobile.twitter.com/CNN/status/897138474603737088 Better than literally nothing But not better than much else --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:884761520] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>transcience posted...</cite> <quote>did this get posted yet? https://mobile.twitter.com/CNN/status/897138474603737088</quote> Better than literally nothing But not better than much else</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/14/17 2:09:46 PM #208:	SupremeZero posted... Peace___Frog posted... transcience posted... did this get posted yet? https://mobile.twitter.com/CNN/status/897138474603737088 Far too little, far too late. Firing bannon is the only action that would make me believe he's sincere. Seems like Gorka would be the higher priority in this case. You're right, he slipped my mind. Removing both of them is the only thing 45 could do that would make me think he truly disapproves of white nationalism. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:884761535] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>SupremeZero posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Peace___Frog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>transcience posted...</cite> <quote>did this get posted yet? https://mobile.twitter.com/CNN/status/897138474603737088</quote> Far too little, far too late. Firing bannon is the only action that would make me believe he's sincere.</quote> Seems like Gorka would be the higher priority in this case.</quote> You're right, he slipped my mind. Removing both of them is the only thing 45 could do that would make me think he truly disapproves of white nationalism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 08/14/17 2:11:00 PM #209:	Kinglicious posted... But they are ideas not every generation has heard. If you've heard their taking points before then okay, you've heard out and rejected them already. Somebody else can now too. I'm getting stuck on why this is a thing that needs so badly protected Like, okay. Some people may not have heard white supremacist ideologies. So it's important that they do, in case... They too want to become a white supremacist...? --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:884761603] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kinglicious posted...</cite> <quote> But they are ideas not every generation has heard. If you've heard their taking points before then okay, you've heard out and rejected them already. Somebody else can now too.</quote> I'm getting stuck on why this is a thing that needs so badly protected Like, okay. Some people may not have heard white supremacist ideologies. So it's important that they do, in case... They too want to become a white supremacist...?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/14/17 2:11:34 PM #210:	xp1337 posted... So, every argument has to be re-litigated ad infinitum? It seems we have to do this with individuals who try to wipe out Judaism. Let it be known that we eat cookies shaped like a hat that one of those individuals wore. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:884761635] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>So, every argument has to be re-litigated ad infinitum?</quote> It seems we have to do this with individuals who try to wipe out Judaism. Let it be known that we eat cookies shaped like a hat that one of those individuals wore.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
My Immortal 08/14/17 2:12:05 PM #211:	Far too little too late. His response on Saturday is who he is. This is PR. Not to mention he only denounced this today after he spoke about the stock markets and unemployment numbers. --- #VnaaVimmDrnuddma <cite>My Immortal posted [p:884761662] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote>Far too little too late. His response on Saturday is who he is. This is PR. Not to mention he only denounced this today after he spoke about the stock markets and unemployment numbers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/14/17 2:12:09 PM #212:	StealThisSheen posted... I'm getting stuck on why this is a thing that needs so badly protected Because wang is a white nationalist. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:884761667] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote> I'm getting stuck on why this is a thing that needs so badly protected </quote> Because wang is a white nationalist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
transcience 08/14/17 2:13:25 PM #213:	Trump did what everyone wanted. that's notable for a couple reasons: Trump never gives in or admits he was wrong he specifically called out the group that loves him the most is it a pr stunt? of course, and he looked like a hostage having to go off of a teleprompter. but hey, he did it. --- add the c and back away iphonesience <cite>transcience posted [p:884761751] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote>Trump did what everyone wanted. that's notable for a couple reasons: Trump never gives in or admits he was wrong he specifically called out the group that loves him the most is it a pr stunt? of course, and he looked like a hostage having to go off of a teleprompter. but hey, he did it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 08/14/17 2:13:50 PM #214:	https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/897153163773562880 Gross --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:884761774] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/897153163773562880 Gross</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/14/17 2:14:09 PM #215:	StealThisSheen posted... Kinglicious posted... But they are ideas not every generation has heard. If you've heard their taking points before then okay, you've heard out and rejected them already. Somebody else can now too. I'm getting stuck on why this is a thing that needs so badly protected Like, okay. Some people may not have heard white supremacist ideologies. So it's important that they do, in case... They too want to become a white supremacist...? To add to this, I don't think anyone is saying we should remove white supremacy from history. It should absolutely be taught as what people like Nazis believed, and then how they were all hopelessly factually wrong --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:884761787] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kinglicious posted...</cite> <quote> But they are ideas not every generation has heard. If you've heard their taking points before then okay, you've heard out and rejected them already. Somebody else can now too.</quote> I'm getting stuck on why this is a thing that needs so badly protected Like, okay. Some people may not have heard white supremacist ideologies. So it's important that they do, in case... They too want to become a white supremacist...?</quote> To add to this, I don't think anyone is saying we should remove white supremacy from history. It should absolutely be taught as what people like Nazis believed, and then how they were all hopelessly factually wrong</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 08/14/17 2:16:06 PM #216:	LordoftheMorons posted... https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/897153163773562880 Gross now here's something that could make me re-evaluate the trump presidency from "as bad as expected" to "worse than expected" --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:884761908] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/897153163773562880 Gross</quote> now here's something that could make me re-evaluate the trump presidency from "as bad as expected" to "worse than expected"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/14/17 2:18:18 PM #217:	LordoftheMorons posted... https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/897153163773562880 Gross This would essentially completely negate everything he just begrudgingly said on camera --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:884762029] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/897153163773562880 Gross</quote> This would essentially completely negate everything he just begrudgingly said on camera</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 08/14/17 2:18:54 PM #218:	StealThisSheen posted... I'm getting stuck on why this is a thing that needs so badly protected Honestly, I'm not 100% sure of Wang's view here. I initially conceived it as protecting it against the prospect of outlawing hate speech. But the more it went on the less I think that's accurate. I mean, he can speak for himself, but since he has previously and we all seem a bit confused my current best take is that he thinks social pressure/shunning of an ideology causes it to strengthen because you haven't actually changed any minds, just forced them to hide it. I think that's flawed on several levels (and not even internally consistent, albeit I feel like the standard I'm using there is almost impossible to pass) but that's the best I've got for what he's arguing. It's weird though because like my past arguments with him, I feel like we're stuck arguing some tangential point and it's like playing whack-a-mole where even if I advance on one point, the others pop back up like a hydra and I've really lost this metaphor that isn't even a metaphor it's a simile and blargh. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:884762057] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>I'm getting stuck on why this is a thing that needs so badly protected</quote> Honestly, I'm not 100% sure of Wang's view here. I initially conceived it as protecting it against the prospect of outlawing hate speech. But the more it went on the less I think that's accurate. I mean, he can speak for himself, but since he has previously and we all seem a bit confused my current best take is that he thinks social pressure/shunning of an ideology causes it to strengthen because you haven't actually changed any minds, just forced them to hide it. I think that's flawed on several levels (and not even internally consistent, albeit I feel like the standard I'm using there is almost impossible to pass) but that's the best I've got for what he's arguing. It's weird though because like my past arguments with him, I feel like we're stuck arguing some tangential point and it's like playing whack-a-mole where even if I advance on one point, the others pop back up like a hydra and I've really lost this metaphor that isn't even a metaphor it's a simile and blargh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kinglicious 08/14/17 2:19:16 PM #219:	Corrik posted... He could just simpy believe everyone has the right to speak their opinions, no matter what they are. That's pretty much it. Full on "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." That includes Nazis, yes. Corrik posted... That it wasn't a white supremacy march but a Robert E Lee statue removal protest march. Okay, planned to get into this later (that's three things now - Jackyl last topic, DYL this one, and what the March here was because it's a mess) but this is actually true for official record. The issue is who organized such a thing in the first place and that leads you to stormfront, aka, Nazis. It's a right answer on a technicality but not the actual cause. Similarly, if you go by Friday nights antics you can't say antifa threw the first punch here, they're the ones who beat the shit out of people standing by the statue. Would say your coworker is assuming this is like the other protests that have recently happened but he probably doesn't know the circumstances around this one, which make it a lot different. The more you look into it the more it's clear that yeah, this isn't a mistaken label. Nelson_Mandela posted... Isn't Wang Asian...? Hispanic mutt. StealThisSheen posted... I mean, I don't wanna say this, but between Wang ALWAYS defending these people and refusing to ever condemn them or even really say they did wrong 1) I defend everyone. 2) I literally said all supremacists are immoral last topic. I've repeatedly agreed that the guy who did the crime is totally a terrorist and is a terrible act. Me saying that you're a monster if you're choosing to dehumanized people is a universal statement - it also applies to Nazis. Hence, me telling DYL that's becoming what you hate. That's an immoral position and wrong no matter who holds it. Does all this seriously need to be spelled out? How often? StealThisSheen posted... And a repeated sentiment has been "It's wrong to counter-protest these white supremacists." It's just... Weird. Not wrong in like a moral sense, I don't think i've I said "wrong" in reference to this at all. I said it was stupid. That protesting this one specifically was stupid. A lot of the reasons you might argue for them needing to do it are exactly why too. It's entirely due to who made this, why, and what they wanted. If you know the way this rally started you know that protesting it is dumb and entirely unnecessary. --- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. <cite>Kinglicious posted [p:884762072] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>He could just simpy believe everyone has the right to speak their opinions, no matter what they are.</quote> That's pretty much it. Full on "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." That includes Nazis, yes. <cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>That it wasn't a white supremacy march but a Robert E Lee statue removal protest march.</quote> Okay, planned to get into this later (that's three things now - Jackyl last topic, DYL this one, and what the March here was because it's a mess) but this is actually true for official record. The issue is who organized such a thing in the first place and that leads you to stormfront, aka, Nazis. It's a right answer on a technicality but not the actual cause. Similarly, if you go by Friday nights antics you can't say antifa threw the first punch here, they're the ones who beat the shit out of people standing by the statue. Would say your coworker is assuming this is like the other protests that have recently happened but he probably doesn't know the circumstances around this one, which make it a lot different. The more you look into it the more it's clear that yeah, this isn't a mistaken label. <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Isn't Wang Asian...?</quote> Hispanic mutt. <cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, I don't wanna say this, but between Wang ALWAYS defending these people and refusing to ever condemn them or even really say they did wrong</quote> 1) I defend everyone. 2) I literally said all supremacists are immoral last topic. I've repeatedly agreed that the guy who did the crime is totally a terrorist and is a terrible act. Me saying that you're a monster if you're choosing to dehumanized people is a universal statement - it also applies to Nazis. Hence, me telling DYL that's becoming what you hate. That's an immoral position and wrong no matter who holds it. Does all this seriously need to be spelled out? How often? <cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>And a repeated sentiment has been "It's wrong to counter-protest these white supremacists." It's just... Weird.</quote> Not wrong in like a moral sense, I don't think i've I said "wrong" in reference to this at all. I said it was stupid. That protesting this one specifically was stupid. A lot of the reasons you might argue for them needing to do it are exactly why too. It's entirely due to who made this, why, and what they wanted. If you know the way this rally started you know that protesting it is dumb and entirely unnecessary.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/14/17 2:22:23 PM #220:	I think if we raise our children to understand why Nazism is outrageously fucked up, and shun anyone while they proclaim its tenets, and jail anyone who acts upon those tenets, we wouldn't be anywhere close to this. Society must be intolerant of intolerance. And there's your paradox of tolerance. [I]f a society istolerantwithout limit, their ability to be tolerant will eventually be seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Humanity has been debating this for over 70 years. Miss me with your edgelord shit. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:884762262] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote>I think if we raise our children to understand why Nazism is outrageously fucked up, and shun anyone while they proclaim its tenets, and jail anyone who acts upon those tenets, we wouldn't be anywhere close to this. Society must be intolerant of intolerance. And there's your paradox of tolerance. <quote>[I]f a society istolerantwithout limit, their ability to be tolerant will eventually be seized or destroyed by the intolerant.</quote> Humanity has been debating this for over 70 years. Miss me with your edgelord shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 08/14/17 2:22:47 PM #221:	Kinglicious posted... 1) I defend everyone. Really dude? C'mon now. --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:884762283] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kinglicious posted...</cite> <quote>1) I defend everyone.</quote> Really dude? C'mon now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 08/14/17 2:22:56 PM #222:	Honestly I think Wang would be fine with a Nazi takeover of America as long as they talked their way into it. --- **** Netflix <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:884762292] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote>Honestly I think Wang would be fine with a Nazi takeover of America as long as they talked their way into it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/14/17 2:23:21 PM #223:	Bringing this from the last topic Wang, do you philosophically believe that all ideas have merit? If so, why? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:884762320] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote>Bringing this from the last topic Wang, do you philosophically believe that all ideas have merit? If so, why?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kinglicious 08/14/17 2:23:45 PM #224:	Mr Lasastryke posted... to name just one example, at one point there were a lot of people accusing jill stein of being anti-vaxx, when she's not one and never, ever claimed to be one. where was his outrage over that? I didn't know she's not. Any idea how that got to the heavy rumor level it did? And... Think that's page 2. Page 3 didn't see anything, ditto 4... Okay, on to 5. --- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. <cite>Kinglicious posted [p:884762352] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote> to name just one example, at one point there were a lot of people accusing jill stein of being anti-vaxx, when she's not one and never, ever claimed to be one. where was his outrage over that?</quote> I didn't know she's not. Any idea how that got to the heavy rumor level it did? And... Think that's page 2. Page 3 didn't see anything, ditto 4... Okay, on to 5.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 08/14/17 2:25:31 PM #225:	It'll be a cold day in hell before Wang defends "everyone". He defends Nazis daily, let's see him defend Antifa. --- **** Netflix <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:884762450] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote>It'll be a cold day in hell before Wang defends "everyone". He defends Nazis daily, let's see him defend Antifa.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 08/14/17 2:26:12 PM #226:	Kinglicious posted... Mr Lasastryke posted... to name just one example, at one point there were a lot of people accusing jill stein of being anti-vaxx, when she's not one and never, ever claimed to be one. where was his outrage over that? I didn't know she's not. Any idea how that got to the heavy rumor level it did? And... Think that's page 2. Page 3 didn't see anything, ditto 4... Okay, on to 5. She heavily flirted around it to get anti-vaxxer votes, with things like "I think there are certainly questions surrounding mandatory vaccinations" and stuff. So while she never outright said she was anti-vaxx, and did later say she wasn't... She purposely kept it vague leading up to the election to try and get anti-vaxx votes. She basically refused to say she WASN'T anti-vaxx until after it didn't matter, while making comments that could be taken as anti-vaxx. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:884762493] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kinglicious posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote> to name just one example, at one point there were a lot of people accusing jill stein of being anti-vaxx, when she's not one and never, ever claimed to be one. where was his outrage over that?</quote> I didn't know she's not. Any idea how that got to the heavy rumor level it did? And... Think that's page 2. Page 3 didn't see anything, ditto 4... Okay, on to 5.</quote> She heavily flirted around it to get anti-vaxxer votes, with things like "I think there are certainly questions surrounding mandatory vaccinations" and stuff. So while she never outright said she was anti-vaxx, and did later say she wasn't... She purposely kept it vague leading up to the election to try and get anti-vaxx votes. She basically refused to say she WASN'T anti-vaxx until after it didn't matter, while making comments that could be taken as anti-vaxx.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/14/17 2:26:38 PM #227:	Kinglicious posted... I didn't know she's not. Any idea how that got to the heavy rumor level it did? Because she appeased them with wishy-washy stuff like "I would be glad to review the issue" and advocating for a parent's right to not vaccinate their children It's basically like Trump with white supremacy! Sge may not be one herself but she will bend over backwards to keep their support. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:884762521] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kinglicious posted...</cite> <quote>I didn't know she's not. Any idea how that got to the heavy rumor level it did? </quote> Because she appeased them with wishy-washy stuff like "I would be glad to review the issue" and advocating for a parent's right to not vaccinate their children It's basically like Trump with white supremacy! Sge may not be one herself but she will bend over backwards to keep their support.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 08/14/17 2:28:17 PM #228:	Why is the government required to host these people? I get why they can't censor their ideas on privately owned mediums but I don't think it would have been a violation of free speech if the city refused to allow this rally. They want to have the rally at the local Hilton and Hilton wants to host them? Fine. But I think a city should be well within its rights not to host the rallies on city owned properly. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:884762604] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote>Why is the government required to host these people? I get why they can't censor their ideas on privately owned mediums but I don't think it would have been a violation of free speech if the city refused to allow this rally. They want to have the rally at the local Hilton and Hilton wants to host them? Fine. But I think a city should be well within its rights not to host the rallies on city owned properly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/14/17 2:28:47 PM #229:	Jakyl25 posted... It's basically like Trump with white supremacy! Sge may not be one herself but she will bend over backwards to keep their support. exactly. She's no better. I also want to say, the same people who tell Hillary voters YOU LOST GET OVER IT supporting white supremacist societies that lost wars is incredibly perplexing. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:884762639] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote> It's basically like Trump with white supremacy! Sge may not be one herself but she will bend over backwards to keep their support. </quote> exactly. She's no better. I also want to say, the same people who tell Hillary voters YOU LOST GET OVER IT supporting white supremacist societies that lost wars is incredibly perplexing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 08/14/17 2:34:11 PM #230:	Kinglicious posted... 1) I defend everyone. Okay, this is a heavy no. >_> You're basically quiet on things unless it's to condemn something like antifa, or support a white nationalist/GGer/etc. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:884762906] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kinglicious posted...</cite> <quote>1) I defend everyone.</quote> Okay, this is a heavy no. >_> You're basically quiet on things unless it's to condemn something like antifa, or support a white nationalist/GGer/etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 08/14/17 2:35:26 PM #231:	Kenri posted... Kinglicious posted... 1) I defend everyone. Really dude? C'mon now. people get hit by crazy Nazi driver Wang: "Well they weren't innocent, you know?" --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:884762977] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kinglicious posted...</cite> <quote>1) I defend everyone.</quote> Really dude? C'mon now.</quote> people get hit by crazy Nazi driver Wang: "Well they weren't innocent, you know?"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/14/17 2:35:44 PM #232:	Peace___Frog posted... exactly. She's no better. Well, Trump ALSO appeased anti-vaxx <_< --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:884762991] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peace___Frog posted...</cite> <quote>exactly. She's no better. </quote> Well, Trump ALSO appeased anti-vaxx <_<</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kinglicious 08/14/17 2:35:50 PM #233:	Oh. My replies were on 4. Well okay then. xp1337 posted... Anyway, I'll cut ahead a bit and pose this question to you: Is speech that advocates an ideology that is intrinsically tied to violence something that should be protected? This kind of gets back to two days ago with Jackyl (what I said I'd get back to - i don't think anyone noticed but my main had been warned since Saturday and I don't use my desktop for alts) but yes, I do. You can tie together a lot of ideologies/belief systems to violence. Nazis are an easy one but religion can also be said to have been intrinsically tied to that. Going further, any belief tied to revolution will always inherently carry violence with it - anarchists and communism for example. None of those beliefs can really take root outside of violent actions. But they should all be protected. And I don't think I need to clarify that I hate commies. They just have every right to speak their mind. --- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. <cite>Kinglicious posted [p:884762994] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote>Oh. My replies were on 4. Well okay then. <cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>Anyway, I'll cut ahead a bit and pose this question to you: Is speech that advocates an ideology that is intrinsically tied to violence something that should be protected?</quote> This kind of gets back to two days ago with Jackyl (what I said I'd get back to - i don't think anyone noticed but my main had been warned since Saturday and I don't use my desktop for alts) but yes, I do. You can tie together a lot of ideologies/belief systems to violence. Nazis are an easy one but religion can also be said to have been intrinsically tied to that. Going further, any belief tied to revolution will always inherently carry violence with it - anarchists and communism for example. None of those beliefs can really take root outside of violent actions. But they should all be protected. And I don't think I need to clarify that I hate commies. They just have every right to speak their mind.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrGreenonion 08/14/17 2:36:00 PM #234:	Kinglicious posted... Corrik posted... He could just simpy believe everyone has the right to speak their opinions, no matter what they are. That's pretty much it. Full on "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." That includes Nazis, yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance The paradox states that if a society is tolerant without limit, their ability to be tolerant will eventually be seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Popper came to the seemingly paradoxical conclusion that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance. Punch Nazis. --- SuperNiceDog didn't have to reconcile his name... But Dauntless Hunter is now MrGreenonion <cite>MrGreenonion posted [p:884763003] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kinglicious posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>He could just simpy believe everyone has the right to speak their opinions, no matter what they are.</quote> That's pretty much it. Full on "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." That includes Nazis, yes.</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance The paradox states that if a society is tolerant without limit, their ability to be tolerant will eventually be seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Popper came to the seemingly paradoxical conclusion that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance. Punch Nazis.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Regaro 08/14/17 2:36:08 PM #235:	Wang trying to make Corrik's gaslighting attempts look reasonable and measured. --- Congratulations to BKSheikah, winner of the BYIG Guru Contest <cite>Regaro posted [p:884763014] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote>Wang trying to make Corrik's gaslighting attempts look reasonable and measured.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 08/14/17 2:36:32 PM #236:	A few hours ago, Daily Stormer moved to Google as their host. A few hours later, Google has kicked Daily Stormer. Why did they think that would work? --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:884763030] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote>A few hours ago, Daily Stormer moved to Google as their host. A few hours later, Google has kicked Daily Stormer. Why did they think that would work?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 08/14/17 2:37:10 PM #237:	SupremeZero posted... A few hours ago, Daily Stormer moved to Google as their host. A few hours later, Google has kicked Daily Stormer. Why did they think that would work? time for angelfire to make a comeback --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/Gylgamesh501.png <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:884763069] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>SupremeZero posted...</cite> <quote>A few hours ago, Daily Stormer moved to Google as their host. A few hours later, Google has kicked Daily Stormer. Why did they think that would work?</quote> time for angelfire to make a comeback</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/14/17 2:37:25 PM #238:	I also want to go back to menuwars' fucking false equivalence because that shit pisses me off. You say that the only reason blm hasn't systemically murdered millions of innocent civilians is because they aren't in power? We have fucking white supremacists carrying the flag and embracing the symbol that is responsible for the largest singular genocide in history. There is no equal. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:884763081] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote>I also want to go back to menuwars' fucking false equivalence because that shit pisses me off. You say that the only reason blm hasn't systemically murdered millions of innocent civilians is because they aren't in power? We have fucking white supremacists carrying the flag and embracing the symbol that is responsible for the largest singular genocide in history. There is no equal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Not_an_Owl 08/14/17 2:37:39 PM #239:	I've been away all weekend, have any of our resident conservatives stated even the mildest condemnation of the Charlottesville nazis? --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. <cite>Not_an_Owl posted [p:884763088] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote>I've been away all weekend, have any of our resident conservatives stated even the mildest condemnation of the Charlottesville nazis?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 08/14/17 2:38:19 PM #240:	These pieces of shit should have to the right of free speech and ((heavy emphasis) peaceful) assembly. They should, however, be loudly condemned by everyone due to the hateful ideas for which they stand. --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:884763118] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote>These pieces of shit should have to the right of free speech and ((heavy emphasis) peaceful) assembly. They should, however, be loudly condemned by everyone due to the hateful ideas for which they stand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/14/17 2:38:59 PM #241:	SupremeZero posted... A few hours ago, Daily Stormer moved to Google as their host. A few hours later, Google has kicked Daily Stormer. Why did they think that would work? You never know until you try They might not be down with male/female phrenology, but their stance on race has not been tested! --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:884763162] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>SupremeZero posted...</cite> <quote>A few hours ago, Daily Stormer moved to Google as their host. A few hours later, Google has kicked Daily Stormer. Why did they think that would work?</quote> You never know until you try They might not be down with male/female phrenology, but their stance on race has not been tested!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/14/17 2:39:20 PM #242:	Not_an_Owl posted... I've been away all weekend, have any of our resident conservatives stated even the mildest condemnation of the Charlottesville nazis? I believe ulti, actually, has condemned them the hardest. I was luckily offline for most of the weekend. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:884763179] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>Not_an_Owl posted...</cite> <quote>I've been away all weekend, have any of our resident conservatives stated even the mildest condemnation of the Charlottesville nazis?</quote> I believe ulti, actually, has condemned them the hardest. I was luckily offline for most of the weekend.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/14/17 2:39:57 PM #243:	Not_an_Owl posted... I've been away all weekend, have any of our resident conservatives stated even the mildest condemnation of the Charlottesville nazis? I will give Corrik credit for coming strong, hard, and genuine condemnation --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:884763217] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>Not_an_Owl posted...</cite> <quote>I've been away all weekend, have any of our resident conservatives stated even the mildest condemnation of the Charlottesville nazis?</quote> I will give Corrik credit for coming strong, hard, and genuine condemnation</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 08/14/17 2:39:58 PM #244:	The Mana Sword posted... SupremeZero posted... A few hours ago, Daily Stormer moved to Google as their host. A few hours later, Google has kicked Daily Stormer. Why did they think that would work? time for angelfire to make a comeback Guessing they'll end up with a .ru site --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:884763218] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Mana Sword posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SupremeZero posted...</cite> <quote>A few hours ago, Daily Stormer moved to Google as their host. A few hours later, Google has kicked Daily Stormer. Why did they think that would work?</quote> time for angelfire to make a comeback</quote> Guessing they'll end up with a .ru site</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/14/17 2:40:35 PM #245:	Peace___Frog posted... Not_an_Owl posted... I've been away all weekend, have any of our resident conservatives stated even the mildest condemnation of the Charlottesville nazis? I believe ulti, actually, has condemned them the hardest. I was luckily offline for most of the weekend. Yeah after he got called out --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:884763258] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peace___Frog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Not_an_Owl posted...</cite> <quote>I've been away all weekend, have any of our resident conservatives stated even the mildest condemnation of the Charlottesville nazis?</quote> I believe ulti, actually, has condemned them the hardest. I was luckily offline for most of the weekend.</quote> Yeah after he got called out</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 08/14/17 2:40:51 PM #246:	Peace___Frog posted... I also want to go back to menuwars' fucking false equivalence because that shit pisses me off. You say that the only reason blm hasn't systemically murdered millions of innocent civilians is because they aren't in power? We have fucking white supremacists carrying the flag and embracing the symbol that is responsible for the largest singular genocide in history. There is no equal. Oh yeah, I meant to respond to that. Menu, do you believe BLM is on par with the KKK? Because calling BLM supporters essentially "just as bad" makes me think you do, and I need to know why. --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:884763271] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peace___Frog posted...</cite> <quote>I also want to go back to menuwars' fucking false equivalence because that shit pisses me off. You say that the only reason blm hasn't systemically murdered millions of innocent civilians is because they aren't in power? We have fucking white supremacists carrying the flag and embracing the symbol that is responsible for the largest singular genocide in history. There is no equal.</quote> Oh yeah, I meant to respond to that. Menu, do you believe BLM is on par with the KKK? Because calling BLM supporters essentially "just as bad" makes me think you do, and I need to know why.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 08/14/17 2:41:48 PM #247:	Peace___Frog posted... Not_an_Owl posted... I've been away all weekend, have any of our resident conservatives stated even the mildest condemnation of the Charlottesville nazis? I believe ulti, actually, has condemned them the hardest. I was luckily offline for most of the weekend. Ulti actually celebrated it until he got called out on it. Then he shifted gears and tossed in condemnation with a big sprinkle of "But the left does it, too!" Corrik's been the best by far. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:884763329] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peace___Frog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Not_an_Owl posted...</cite> <quote>I've been away all weekend, have any of our resident conservatives stated even the mildest condemnation of the Charlottesville nazis?</quote> I believe ulti, actually, has condemned them the hardest. I was luckily offline for most of the weekend.</quote> Ulti actually celebrated it until he got called out on it. Then he shifted gears and tossed in condemnation with a big sprinkle of "But the left does it, too!" Corrik's been the best by far.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 08/14/17 2:42:16 PM #248:	Wang, you are now literally arguing against learning from history. What are you doing, man? --- Posted using GameFlux Get it now for Android from Google Play! <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:884763351] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote>Wang, you are now literally arguing against learning from history. What are you doing, man?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 08/14/17 2:42:29 PM #249:	Kinglicious posted... but yes, I do. I see. (I don't really have anything else to add then in that case, at least on this particular point, right now at least) --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:884763363] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kinglicious posted...</cite> <quote>but yes, I do.</quote> I see. (I don't really have anything else to add then in that case, at least on this particular point, right now at least)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/14/17 2:44:48 PM #250:	StealThisSheen posted... Ulti actually celebrated it until he got called out on it. Then he shifted gears and tossed in condemnation with a big sprinkle of "But the left does it, too!" Corrik's been the best by far. noted, thank you. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:884763499] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote> Ulti actually celebrated it until he got called out on it. Then he shifted gears and tossed in condemnation with a big sprinkle of "But the left does it, too!" Corrik's been the best by far.</quote> noted, thank you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 08/14/17 2:45:09 PM #251:	StealThisSheen posted... Peace___Frog posted... Not_an_Owl posted... I've been away all weekend, have any of our resident conservatives stated even the mildest condemnation of the Charlottesville nazis? I believe ulti, actually, has condemned them the hardest. I was luckily offline for most of the weekend. Ulti actually celebrated it until he got called out on it. Then he shifted gears and tossed in condemnation with a big sprinkle of "But the left does it, too!" Corrik's been the best by far. Ulti used the excuses of "I just thought liberals got beat up" and "I just thought it was a conservative rally" when he switched heard despite us repeatedly telling him these things. --- Brought to you by GameFlux Free GameFAQs app on Google Play! <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:884763521] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Peace___Frog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Not_an_Owl posted...</cite> <quote>I've been away all weekend, have any of our resident conservatives stated even the mildest condemnation of the Charlottesville nazis?</quote> I believe ulti, actually, has condemned them the hardest. I was luckily offline for most of the weekend.</quote> Ulti actually celebrated it until he got called out on it. Then he shifted gears and tossed in condemnation with a big sprinkle of "But the left does it, too!" Corrik's been the best by far.</quote> Ulti used the excuses of "I just thought liberals got beat up" and "I just thought it was a conservative rally" when he switched heard despite us repeatedly telling him these things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Not_an_Owl 08/14/17 2:45:40 PM #252:	Oh hey, Ted Cruz said something that isn't completely repulsive: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/346364-cruz-calls-for-doj-investigation-into-charlottesville-violence --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. <cite>Not_an_Owl posted [p:884763552] in Politics C... [t:75668052]...</cite> <quote>Oh hey, Ted Cruz said something that isn't completely repulsive: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/346364-cruz-calls-for-doj-investigation-into-charlottesville-violence</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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