Board 8 > Game of Thrones Season 7 - Says here 'Ragger' had 'Anal'... (SPOILERS)

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The people not complaining about Arya/Sansa don't seem to understand how illogical and hypocritical Arya is considering she served Tywin and had plenty opportunity to kill him.

Also she's acting like a T-1000 no name despite her whole arc in Braavos culminating in her proclaiming she's a Stark.

Get your head out of the sand.
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I think its been so long that people forget that Arya and Sansa never got along in the first place. There has always been that natural distrust.

I expect their relationship to be reconciled at some point, they are basically plot armored til this occurs(probably to the end tbh, especially with a certain zombie missing from the show).

Regarding the leaked nature of the episode
So many people that watched it leaked hyped this episode to insane levels, so I saw it on Friday because I couldn't wait anymore from all the hype
And because of a fear of spoiler, because you see, people told me someone died that episode AND OH MY GOD YOU MUST SEE IT and they got spoiled by spoiler-bombs on Youtube

So it got me to make a list of characters that would make people get crazy like this, and a list of characters that wouldn't

Characters that if they died wouldn't make people crazy over an episode-
All of Jon suicide squad, besides Jon
Davos - Likeable, but expendable
Brienne and Podrick - lol
Jaime and Bronn - People like them, but Bronn is expendable and Jaime was supposed to die already
Uncle Benjen - he wasn't on the list because I forgot about him LOL
Bran - if anything people would rage because it would make him totally pointless
Red Woman, the Mountain, etc
Grey Worm Missandei, Varys etc

Characters that if they died would make people crazy-
Arya
Sansa
Tyrion - not in any real danger unless Daenerys goes mad
Littlefinger - only because it's too early and I want to believe he has some insane plan
Daenerys - not going to happen, although her plot armor is getting weaker the closer we get to the end of the show, and yet I still included her because the hype was so big I thought it might be
Cersei - Too early, they still need to show her the Wigh
Jon - LOL no. Won't happen

So yeah, I assumed one of these will happen, because of all the hype
When Jon fell into the water, I thought he might rise out with blue eyes
When Jon came out of the water, I thought the Night King will visit him personally and turn him into a White Walker (Jon being a White Walker can be interesting)
When Arya came to Sansa with the dagger I thought one of them might die, maybe Arya kills Sansa or Littlefinger shows up and kills Arya

And then the episode ended, and no one important died
Yeah they now have a dragon, but is this really a good enough reason for people to spoiler bomb? to hype the episode so much?
I waited until the final scene and expected someone major to die
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OliviaTremor posted...

The people not complaining about Arya/Sansa don't seem to understand how illogical and hypocritical Arya is considering she served Tywin and had plenty opportunity to kill him.

She literally had a magic hitman ffs
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I forget the sequencing, how much reason did Arya have to kill Tywin at the time?

MrGreenonion posted...

And speaking of winning over the Lannisters, how the dick did they get the wight past the Wall anyway? I thought nothing dead could pass, which if you recall is why Uncle Benjen didn't go with Bran and Meera at the end of last season.

They flew over it. I'm guessing the Wall's enchantment or whatever doesn't extend upwards indefinitely, and that's how the zombies are gonna get by it.

Leafeon13N posted...

I forget the sequencing, how much reason did Arya have to kill Tywin at the time?

She knew he was waging war against Robb. And she also blames the Lannisters for killing Ned. On the "against" side, Tywin was basically the sole reason she was better off at Harrenhal and he basically saved her from torture/hard labor/other abuse.

Gendry points out that Arya was an idiot for not sending Jaqen after actual important targets like Tywin and Joffrey after they escape and Arya can only reply with "shut up" more or less.
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Sansa made her choice in Joffery over Arya way back in season 1. She betrayed he family and lost her wolf because of it. Robb betrayed his family by marrying the wrong chick and getting everyone killed and his wolf also died. Bran betrayed himself and his family in a way by sacrificing Hodor and summer died.

I think the Sansa/Arya reunion seemed sweet because Arya was wearing the beloved sister face to give Sansa what she wanted. But really she has always hated Sansa and the letter she found confirmed everything she already believed about her after Sansa took Joffery's side when her friend was murdered and nearly her wolf.
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how to survive despite all odds in game of thrones

fall in some water
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Leafeon13N posted...

Do we even have a clear answer to wtf benjen is?

I feel like he is a mystery the show is destined to not answer.

This was actually my main takeaway from that scene. Just "holy shit we aren't getting an explanation on this until Winds of Winter AT THE SOONEST"

My other Biggest Feeling from the episode was realizing how much I hate the Arya/Sansa plotline but I guess I'm nowhere near alone on that.
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/game-thrones-creators-white-walker-war-plan-1029173

"When the first wights got through [Castle Black] in season one, they sent Alliser Thorne down with a hand that was [still twitching], to prove to everybody that this was going on," says Weiss. "By the time this hand got down there, it had rotted away to nothing and stopped [twitching]. There was the idea that bringing one of these things down south had been put out there before in a way that didn't work, but, in theory, you could bring one of these things down and have it still be functional by the time it gets to King's Landing. That seemed like that would, on a story level, do the trick."

oh my fucking god

the fucking plan with Alliser Thorne and the hand from S1 was what they had in mind when they wrote this stupid plan

but this time it's gonna work because they unlocked fast travel

ASJKFHSDJKFHJKSDHFKJHAJKHSFJKHSDJKHASKD
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I guess a full body rots less quickly?

also why didnt Arya just send Jaqen after Joffrey?
did book Jaqen have more rules?
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htaeD posted...

I guess a full body rots less quickly?

also why didnt Arya just send Jaqen after Joffrey?
did book Jaqen have more rules?

Also it'll still be "alive" in the show either way
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MrGreenonion posted...

xp1337 posted...

And yeah, KL ignored the Night Watch's warning. Although, I don't believe it was Yoren who had the job of warning them. He really was just collecting recruits. IIRC, it was Thorne who got the job of warning KL and it was Tyrion who delayed him because he remembered Thorne being nasty from when he visited the Wall at the very beginning. And when he finally saw him (too late) he just mocked him for it. Unless this was a book/show change I'm forgetting, though I'm pretty sure what I described is the show version at least. But yes, either way KL blew it.

Oh you know what you might be right, it was a long time ago but the point is that it happened.

Another thing I thought of: if the Night King had these magic spears he could throw for basically unlimited distance, why didn't he just throw them at Jon? No way he couldn't have reached if he could reach Viserion flying overhead. Were those his special anti-dragon spears? Why would he even HAVE a dragon-killing weapon since I don't know how he would have heard that dragons existed again. Frankly I'm not sure when he would have heard that dragons existed in the first place considering the Long Night was way before Aegon's Landing. This was definitely the first time he'd ever SEEN a dragon, that seems indisputable.

Bettee question is why they need to go south and why can't they just throw speaes over the wall to nuke all of westeros. Cuz I mean... that spear throw was totally realistic.
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The reason the hand rotted when Alliser Thorne brought it down to King's Landing was because they kept him waiting for too long. Which is actually Tyrion's fault. This time should be different.

Edit: missed where this was said already. Oh well.

I liked this episode a lot by the way.
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Arya has always hated Sansa. That scene actually made sense.

I had been saying this season was an improvement on 5 and 6, but nope! It has hit rock bottom. But I'm glad there are still some intelligent people here who can enjoy it.
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While I share the complaints about some of the pacing (they should have made it more clear how much time was passing), it's not that important.

What I don't get is why people are complaining about Arya. She has always been like that, she really isn't that clever, and is a total sociopath to booth. Not that the Winterfell scenes are great or anything (my least favorite part of the season).

Also, the NK definitely knew what was going to happen, it was a trap. They could have easily killed all of them, but they waited until the dragons were nearby. And he probably threw the javalin at Viserion first because he still had the element of surprise. If he attacked Drogon first, the other two would have flown away. This way he could at least try to hit a second one.
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xp1337 posted...

Gendry points out that Arya was an idiot for not sending Jaqen after actual important targets like Tywin and Joffrey after they escape and Arya can only reply with "shut up" more or less.

arya overlooked the possibilities. tywin wasn't obviously evil, and jaqen essentially tole her that it would take an indeterminate amount of time to be able to kill tywin.

also, it's freaking arya. this is not a character who has sympathy for those she considers her enemy. she's deeply messed up

and as kph pointed out, sansa and arya's relationship was *ruined* by sansa betraying arya. it lost the girls both direwolves, and sansa still refused to see cersei or joffrey as evil fucks. arya hasn't seen what the relationship between sansa and the lannisters was like after ned's death. and she doesn't truly know what sansa is like now.

and she's not wrong that sansa still cares about power and the trappings of wealth.

arya is unsympathetic and sees everyone as her enemy. oh, and it looked very much like littlefinger - on sansa's behalf - was trying to hide sansa's "continued" betrayal. it's obvious that LF is up to something from arya's perspective, but it's not clear, after she reads the message, that LF is not in bed with sansa.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

I had been saying this season was an improvement on 5 and 6, but nope! It has hit rock bottom. But I'm glad there are still some intelligent people here who can enjoy it.

Not sure if the word intelligent is sarcastic here!
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SeabassDebeste posted...

EndOfDiscOne posted...

I had been saying this season was an improvement on 5 and 6, but nope! It has hit rock bottom. But I'm glad there are still some intelligent people here who can enjoy it.

Not sure if the word intelligent is sarcastic here!

It's not honestly
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I'm going to come to the defense of the Winterfell scenes. The Arya we are shown is clearly a much darker person than we see in season 1. She's also not the smartest person around, and would as a result of these be more susceptible to manipulation from someone like Littlefinger. Littlefinger needs to drive a wedge in the Starks to get what he wants, which is Sansa and with her half the Seven Kingdoms. So it makes sense that he would use the existing animosity between Arya and Sansa.

I believe this will all pay off though. Sansa doesn't have the ability to warg or change her face, but her superpower is learning to play the game. She is going to turn all of this on Littlefinger.
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Has it been mentioned yet that the worst part of what was arguably the sloppiest episode of all time was the fucking convenience that all the wights died when their master is killed EXCEPT FOR ONE BECAUSE THE PLOT NEEDS IT
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I feel like Arya failing to become No One, meeting nice Lannisters, and her reaction to hearing Jon was alive was all supposed to show us that she ISN'T truly dark and sociopathic.

Which the last two episodes are trying to undo.
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My Immortal posted...

I feel like Arya failing to become No One, meeting nice Lannisters, and her reaction to hearing Jon was alive was all supposed to show us that she ISN'T truly dark and sociopathic.

Which the last two episodes are trying to undo.

Except, she is a sociopath and nothing is going to unshow that.

Plus she probably killed them fucking lannisters knowing her anyways.
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too much cynicism for my tastes here. it could have been better but I don't think it jumped the shark. I'm still really excited for next week.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Has it been mentioned yet that the worst part of what was arguably the sloppiest episode of all time was the fucking convenience that all the wights died when their master is killed EXCEPT FOR ONE BECAUSE THE PLOT NEEDS IT

I was upset about this too, but didn't Jon posit a somewhat passable theory later in the episode that wights are tied to the white walker that turned them? Maybe that wight was just hanging out with a different friend group? Okay yeah it's still bad.

Still - this episode was terrible for a number of reasons, but that definitely wasn't the worst.

Corrik posted...

My Immortal posted...

I feel like Arya failing to become No One, meeting nice Lannisters, and her reaction to hearing Jon was alive was all supposed to show us that she ISN'T truly dark and sociopathic.

Which the last two episodes are trying to undo.

Except, she is a sociopath and nothing is going to unshow that.

Plus she probably killed them fucking lannisters knowing her anyways.

Why do people keep saying this. She's shown intense empathy throughout the series. The end of her Braavos arc was her realizing she is a Stark and can't be a sociopathic assassin.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Has it been mentioned yet that the worst part of what was arguably the sloppiest episode of all time was the fucking convenience that all the wights died when their master is killed EXCEPT FOR ONE BECAUSE THE PLOT NEEDS IT

FEED ME MORE OF YOUR HATE YES

the writing this episode, in terms of plot events beyond the wall, was fucking terrible

but we knew this, coming into the episode. the plan was sheer garbage; most characters did stuff because it would put them into cool action scenes (my biggest hater moment was jon getting dragged underwater - the only reason that scene existed was so benjen could rescue him)

but seriously guys we got white walkers vs dragons, plus cleganebowl motherfucking confirmed

imma just shut my brain off and enjoy that

My Immortal posted...

I feel like Arya failing to become No One, meeting nice Lannisters, and her reaction to hearing Jon was alive was all supposed to show us that she ISN'T truly dark and sociopathic.

Which the last two episodes are trying to undo.

doesn't mean she's not paranoid, though

i think one thing about the lannister soldiers is that they never once gave arya a real reason to distrust them, and eventually gave her a reason to like them (generosity to a stranger, not raping her like she expected)

sansa is arya's sister, but it's almost because of the baggage that arya's incapable of objectivity there. (trailer) but we still have yet to hear sansa's 'the pack survives' quote from ned.

as for arya falling for LF's machinations - arya doesn't know LF is one-up on her. in fact, LF looks like he's the stalkee here, to arya, which gives her another reason to be less sure.

anyway KEEP HATING ON WINTERFELL Y'ALL
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The Benjen ex-machina and the one Walker conveniently surviving to be captured were the only things that bugged me. Great episode otherwise.
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GoT: "It took too long for Alliser Thorne to show the hand and it rotted away to bones and stopped moving"

Also GoT:
http://img.xooimage.com/files110/5/a/c/g2-4a09b98.jpg
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two thoughts

1. it's possible that being severed gives the hand a limited lifetime

2. the white walkers are linked to winter, so it's possible that as winter pushes south, it's more likely that a wight can still be animated in the south

but yeah, i've had this complaint since 4x10 when we first saw the rotted undead

4x10 was probably the turning point for this show. so many bad scenes.
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If you buy into the theory that the Night King was laying a trap so he could claim a dragon, you could then consider the small party of wights with only one wight from a different maker as another part of the plan.
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maybe the night king warged everyone in dragonstone to make them agree to such a fucking stupid idea

i mean holy shit man
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Nanis23 posted...

So many people that watched it leaked hyped this episode to insane levels

This is why I said it was dumb as hell after watching the leak

Because it was dumb as hell

That being said, all this talk about bad writing made me remember we had entire seasons of God awful Reek and High Septon and such storylines, so this kind of dumb but still entertaining nonsense is not so bad
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foolm0r0n posted...

That being said, all this talk about bad writing made me remember we had entire seasons of God awful Reek and High Septon and such storylines, so this kind of dumb but still entertaining nonsense is not so bad

preach!
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Hey guys

If the wights can't swim across a small moat, how did they dive and fish out a sunken dragon?
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DoctorBIind posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Has it been mentioned yet that the worst part of what was arguably the sloppiest episode of all time was the fucking convenience that all the wights died when their master is killed EXCEPT FOR ONE BECAUSE THE PLOT NEEDS IT

I was upset about this too, but didn't Jon posit a somewhat passable theory later in the episode that wights are tied to the white walker that turned them? Maybe that wight was just hanging out with a different friend group? Okay yeah it's still bad.

Still - this episode was terrible for a number of reasons, but that definitely wasn't the worst.

Yeah, but the fact that one and exactly one was hanging out with a different group was laughable.

Like if all but 4 died and they killed the remaining three and captured the last one then okay sure.

But the convenience of EXACTLY ONE was so lazy.
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Hopefully with next season they'll have time to write it so that it makes sense.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Hey guys

If the wights can't swim across a small moat, how did they dive and fish out a sunken dragon?

in fairness, fishing out the sunken dragon doesn't require swimming, just sinking while holding the chain and then putting the chain on the beast once you get to the bottom.

Anagram posted...

Stannis is the only person in Westeros even more unyielding than Ned Stark.

neither stannis nor ned is unyielding in the grand scheme of things

ned makes compromises and lies for his children all the time, and he winds up going with littlefinger's plan of bribery when it comes time to throw down

stannis allows the remnants of renly's host to join him instead of attainting them as traitors; he flees king's landing before ned gets there like a coward; he comes to castle black with sellswords from the iron bank. he's a stickler, but when the chips are on the table he'll compromise to get it done. in the books he compromises even more, especially in ADWD.
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how can you say ned doesn't compromise

when arguably his defining moment is tarnishing his own reputation for life by agreeing to say he had a bastard

which he takes to his grave
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Another issue with the writing

Sansa: You'd better get going, the trip to King's Landing is long and treacherous

IS IT. Is it fucking REALLY?
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Brienne: Nah I'll be there next scene. Watch for the cut... and here I am! Man that sure was treacherous.
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Where did they white walkers get those huge chains? That's a lot of metal to forge and link for a frozen wasteland with no cities.
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Samurai7 posted...

Where did they white walkers get those huge chains? That's a lot of metal to forge and link for a frozen wasteland with no cities.

they were magic ICE chains, stupid
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The RedLetterMedia guys would have a fucking field day with this if they cared about the show at all
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I like the Sansa/Arya stuff. Arya watched her honorable dad be deceived and decapitated by the pretty dressed lords and ladies. And she isn't going to let Sansa/LF do that to Jon. Unfortunately she doesn't express that outright and seems to want to convince Sansa that Sansa is evil, or so.

The whole mission north of the wall is obviously just tough to take and sloppy and full of conveniences. Every level of it. Some enjoyable dialog among the fellas though. And the action was pretty cool. I hope it was worth it ugh
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I'm getting worried that Dany and crew will eliminate the Lannister threat fully next week, and next season will just be Fire vs. Ice. Hope I'm wrong and it's not that straight forward.
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xp1337 posted...

JetJaguar posted...

did he?

He seems to emit a cold aura that can smother flames. He walks through some lingering flames left by the dragon attack on his way to throw the first spear and they go out as he approaches.

I don't think it'd work if he tried to tank dragon breath directly, but that's just my gut.

All of the White Walkers can do the same thing. The first one Jon killed in Hardhome did it too, and it was just as cool.
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