Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 126: Manufacturing Outrage

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StealThisSheen posted...

Why is it so hard to get that "Maybe don't celebrate this person" =/= "ERASE THEM FROM HISTORY"

Most of the people who complain, clearly don't even look at history in the first place. The type of person who hasn't picked up a history book since high school, but suddenly turns into a history buff the moment you suggest taking down a confederate flag.
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Inviso posted...

I just want to point out...the counter-protestors that Trump ripped into for violating the law by protesting without a permit?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/08/16/president-trumps-false-claim-that-counter-demonstrators-lacked-a-permit/?utm_term=.73fa06fba711

They DID have a permit to protest in Charlottesville.

Why has that taken this long to come out?

Edit, fucking non adblockable site. Meh can't read it.
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Probably because everyone has adblock on
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pjbasis posted...

Probably because everyone has adblock on

lol
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Off topic but this gave me a laugh.


https://i.redd.it/gusftetlkvaz.jpg
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I can't wait for the version of adblock that's completely undetectable by websites.

Also, an obligatory fuck you to the asshole that attacked those reporters.
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I fucking love the shock and awe these morons are responding with once they're getting outed as Nazis for being at a Nazi rally.

"Oh no, suddenly my employer doesn't want anything to do with me."

"Oh no, suddenly none of my friends want anything to do with me."

"Oh no, suddenly groups of people are threatening me online."


WHAT.

DID.

YOU.

EXPECT.

jesus christ and they are the SUPERIOR race somehow? Superior how, coz it's not mentally.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Still in memorium of Heather Heyer

Like, I get its recency bias and sad but ultimately she did nothing for this country mostly while the person some of you are celebrating his statues being torn down did more.

I am not saying you shouldn't feel bad or mourn or respect how she died, but I think you are going a bit overboard on it.
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http://68.media.tumblr.com/bd11cd5358b3812192770acb81774cdc/tumblr_ou8trkCHDI1r9y691o1_1280.jpg
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Heather Heyer dies in "hold your wee for a Wii" contest
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Corrik posted...

Like, I get its recency bias and sad but ultimately she did nothing for this country mostly while the person some of you are celebrating his statues being torn down did more.

The person we're celebrating his statues being torn down led armies against this country, and not even for a good cause.

Almost literally anyone has done more for this country.
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Corrik posted...

Like, I get its recency bias and sad but ultimately she did nothing for this country mostly while the person some of you are celebrating his statues being torn down did more.

A human life is a human life, I don't think comparing it to a statue or even the honor of a great man is really meaningful.
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transience posted...

Heather Heyer dies in "hold your wee for a Wii" contest

what the fuck does this mean
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Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Still in memorium of Heather Heyer

Like, I get its recency bias and sad but ultimately she did nothing for this country mostly while the person some of you are celebrating his statues being torn down did more.

I am not saying you shouldn't feel bad or mourn or respect how she died, but I think you are going a bit overboard on it.

Heather Heyer at least has the advantage of not being a fucking traitor.
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Jeez I really think one doesn't have to do with the other but I guess everyone disagrees
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SgtSphynx posted...

http://68.media.tumblr.com/bd11cd5358b3812192770acb81774cdc/tumblr_ou8trkCHDI1r9y691o1_1280.jpg

Made a similar joke the other day when I got a new computer at work. Microsoft has done a great job helping me get Chrome faster than ever before. It's pretty funny to see Bing try a last-ditch effort too to show you how Edge is better when you search for Chrome.
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Kenri posted...

Corrik posted...

Like, I get its recency bias and sad but ultimately she did nothing for this country mostly while the person some of you are celebrating his statues being torn down did more.

The person we're celebrating his statues being torn down led armies against this country, and not even for a good cause.

Almost literally anyone has done more for this country.

I think you should research Robert E Lee. He was literally a great person and well respected by basically everyone of his time.
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pjbasis posted...

Corrik posted...

Like, I get its recency bias and sad but ultimately she did nothing for this country mostly while the person some of you are celebrating his statues being torn down did more.

A human life is a human life, I don't think comparing it to a statue or even the honor of a great man is really meaningful.

Disrespecting the dead versus respecting the dead. Seems super fair of a comparison tbqh.
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Corrik posted...

Kenri posted...

Corrik posted...

Like, I get its recency bias and sad but ultimately she did nothing for this country mostly while the person some of you are celebrating his statues being torn down did more.

The person we're celebrating his statues being torn down led armies against this country, and not even for a good cause.

Almost literally anyone has done more for this country.

I think you should research Robert E Lee. He was literally a great person and well respected by basically everyone of his time.

he fought for the slave country so he sucks

a bunch of people of his time also liked having slaves so I don't give a shit about who they respected
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Corrik posted...

I think you should research Robert E Lee. He was literally a great person and well respected by basically everyone of his time.

Are you claiming he was a great person other than his defense of slavery or a great person despite it?
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"Until someone solves the part of the equation that shows me that ten million people in Seoul don't die in the first 30 minutes from conventional weapons, I don't know what you're talking about, there's no military solution here, they got us," Bannon said.
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Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Still in memorium of Heather Heyer

Like, I get its recency bias and sad but ultimately she did nothing for this country mostly while the person some of you are celebrating his statues being torn down did more.

I am not saying you shouldn't feel bad or mourn or respect how she died, but I think you are going a bit overboard on it.

yeah you're a despicable human jesus fucking christ

Who in their god damn fucking mind takes issue with someone paying respects to a woman that was murdered FOUR DAYS AGO. This isn't over yet by a fucking long shot, is a murdered woman during a significant and ongoing political incident being honoured for a grand total of FOUR b8 political topics that much of a bother to you? Seriously, what in the fuck is your problem?
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Kenri posted...

Corrik posted...

I think you should research Robert E Lee. He was literally a great person and well respected by basically everyone of his time.

Are you claiming he was a great person other than his defense of slavery or a great person despite it?

He is a great person all around. He was against secession. And there are actions he did which questions whether he even fully was behind slavery or was ultimately against it somewhat.

He believed in duty to his state and honored it.

Was a great great man. There is a reason things are named after him snd he was so celebrated.
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Corrik this is a real bad fucking take.

CelesMyUserName posted...

Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Still in memorium of Heather Heyer

Like, I get its recency bias and sad but ultimately she did nothing for this country mostly while the person some of you are celebrating his statues being torn down did more.

I am not saying you shouldn't feel bad or mourn or respect how she died, but I think you are going a bit overboard on it.

yeah you're a despicable human jesus fucking christ

Who in their god damn fucking mind takes issue with someone paying respects to a woman that was murdered FOUR DAYS AGO. This isn't over yet by a fucking long shot, is a murdered woman during a significant and ongoing political incident being honoured for a grand total of FOUR b8 political topics that much of a bother to you? Seriously, what in the fuck is your problem?

I alrdy acknowledged recency bias. I didn't know every person who died you mourned so greatly though. Was she your family?

Is it sad. Sure. But she wasn't some hero or something.
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LtMplusCATS posted...

Corrik this is a real bad fucking take.

No, it isn't. It is realistic.
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Corrik posted...

Kenri posted...

Corrik posted...

I think you should research Robert E Lee. He was literally a great person and well respected by basically everyone of his time.

Are you claiming he was a great person other than his defense of slavery or a great person despite it?

He is a great person all around. He was against secession. And there are actions he did which questions whether he even fully was behind slavery or was ultimately against it somewhat.

He believed in duty to his state and honored it.

Was a great great man. There is a reason things are named after him snd he was so celebrated.

the reason is the south is filled with garbage racists who won't let their failed nation go
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LtMplusCATS posted...

Corrik this is a real bad fucking take.

I wouldn't call someone who was for slavery "a great person all around".

It really doesn't matter how fond people were of him way back when when said people also believed human beings should be treated like cattle.
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Corrik posted...

He believed in duty to his state and honored it.

these sound like things a bad person would do
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You have a problem with people mourning a woman that was murdered in a national tragedy. You are a fucking monster.
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SgtSphynx posted...

http://68.media.tumblr.com/bd11cd5358b3812192770acb81774cdc/tumblr_ou8trkCHDI1r9y691o1_1280.jpg

God I wish this was real.
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if you picked a random American citizen's name out of a hat and built a statue of them it would probably be better than a statue of Lee because that person probably never fought against this country
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So has anyone of the usual suspects NOT come into this topic to outdo the others for worst fucking person here award over the last 5 days?

ExTha seems like the only exception.

Did MWC get axed or something?

But putting aside the fact this is in very, very poor taste?

BOTH Lee and Heather stood up for what they believed in, both essentially died for it.


The difference is that one believed that black people should remain slaves, and the other was against white nationalist and Nazis.
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Meant to say earlier: good topic title.

Also meant to say earlier: don't attack journalists. It's annoying to have a group like Antifa trying to act like they're on your side.
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I never thought I'd wish for more ExTha posts in a while, but it would be the best thing if he could take Corrik's place as an active poster here.
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Dark Young Link posted...

BOTH Lee and Heather stood up for what they believed in, both essentially died for it.

What? Lee died of a stroke when he was old, he didn't die during the civil war or anything like that

Dark Young Link posted...

The difference is that one believed that black people should remain slaves

I think this misrepresents Lee's views.

A quick wikipedia page tells me he was basically anti-slavery, but not really enough to trump wanting to defend his homeland.
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CelesMyUserName posted...

You have a problem with people mourning a woman that was murdered in a national tragedy. You are a fucking monster.

Good one. I don't have any issue with it. I said I ferl you are going overboard trying to make a martyr basically. If anything, I think you are trying to use someone you know shut about to further your political message you wish to portray.

Trump brought out some military wives and shit and you all said wow look he is using their deaths to try and further himself and its a mockery.

I am not sure how this is much different. You are raising someone you know nothing about on a pedestal as if some sort of hero while in the same hand badmouthing and disrespecting a freaking noted historical figure.

It is such hypocritical nonsense that reeks of political undertones. Imo.

I said how sad it was she died in the first place. It was.

But she wasn't some national hero the way you are acting either.
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Oh LOL, I'm thinking of someone else. Please disregard. >_>
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pjbasis posted...

Dark Young Link posted...

The difference is that one believed that black people should remain slaves

I think this misrepresents Lee's views.

A quick wikipedia page tells me he was basically anti-slavery, but not really enough to trump wanting to defend his homeland.

This is correct.

I don't think that excuses him personally - I don't think siding with your shit country to fight for its shit ideals is an admirable trait - but still.
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Can we just boo?

Dark Young Link posted...

But putting aside the fact this is in very, very poor taste?

BOTH Lee and Heather stood up for what they believed in, both essentially died for it.


The difference is that one believed that black people should remain slaves, and the other was against white nationalist and Nazis.

You should really probably research what you are talking about.
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I'm sure this will be brushed off as fake news or whatever, but...
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/
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I just don't get what Corrik wants exactly?

Do you want me to dedicate a topic to the memory of Robert E Lee?
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Lee owned slaves; the man was no abolitionist. I don't think it's at all reasonable to say that he was anti-slavery. It's like saying that someone who voted for Trump because they despise Hillary more was casting an anti-Trump vote.
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... In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence.

— Robert E. Lee, to Mary Anna Lee, December 27, 1856

The South, in my opinion, has been aggrieved by the acts of the North, as you say. I feel the aggression, and am willing to take every proper step for redress. It is the principle I contend for, not individual or private benefit. As an American citizen, I take great pride in my country, her prosperity and institutions, and would defend any State if her rights were invaded. But I can anticipate no greater calamity for the country than a dissolution of the Union. It would be an accumulation of all the evils we complain of, and I am willing to sacrifice everything but honor for its preservation. I hope, therefore, that all constitutional means will be exhausted before there is a resort to force. Secession is nothing but revolution. The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom, and forbearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it was intended to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will. It was intended for "perpetual union," so expressed in the preamble, and for the establishment of a government, not a compact, which can only be dissolved by revolution, or the consent of all the people in convention assembled.

Mr. Blair, I look upon secession as anarchy. If I owned the four millions of slaves in the South I would sacrifice them all to the Union; but how can I draw my sword upon Virginia, my native state?

These are direct quotes from letters he wrote! He still held the racist view that blacks were a race that needed some kind of help from the white race, but it's hard to say abolitionists didn't also hold those views. Back then thinking blacks should be free didn't equate to you thought they were equal to whites in every way. We're talking about a society that wouldn't even give women a right to vote! Judging people back then is a tricky business imo. It's not like any of us white boys would have necessarily been so liberal if we grew up in the 1800s south.
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pjbasis posted...

... In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence.

— Robert E. Lee, to Mary Anna Lee, December 27, 1856

The South, in my opinion, has been aggrieved by the acts of the North, as you say. I feel the aggression, and am willing to take every proper step for redress. It is the principle I contend for, not individual or private benefit. As an American citizen, I take great pride in my country, her prosperity and institutions, and would defend any State if her rights were invaded. But I can anticipate no greater calamity for the country than a dissolution of the Union. It would be an accumulation of all the evils we complain of, and I am willing to sacrifice everything but honor for its preservation. I hope, therefore, that all constitutional means will be exhausted before there is a resort to force. Secession is nothing but revolution. The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom, and forbearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it was intended to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will. It was intended for "perpetual union," so expressed in the preamble, and for the establishment of a government, not a compact, which can only be dissolved by revolution, or the consent of all the people in convention assembled.

Mr. Blair, I look upon secession as anarchy. If I owned the four millions of slaves in the South I would sacrifice them all to the Union; but how can I draw my sword upon Virginia, my native state?

These are direct quotes from letters he wrote! He still held the racist view that blacks were a race that needed some kind of help from the white race, but it's hard to say abolitionists didn't also hold those views. Back then thinking blacks should be free didn't equate to you thought they were equal to whites in every way. We're talking about a society that wouldn't even give women a right to vote! Judging people back then is a tricky business imo. It's not like any of us white boys would have necessarily been so liberal if we grew up in the 1800s south.

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Jakyl25 posted...

I just don't get what Corrik wants exactly?

Do you want me to dedicate a topic to the memory of Robert E Lee?

I think i am saying there seems to be a huge recency bias and lack of perspective.
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