Current Events > Canada shows Charlottesville how to handle alt-right protestors

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Dash_Harber
08/19/17 7:03:23 PM
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/anti-racism-rally-vancouver-city-hall-1.4253117

Around 4,000 people showed up at Vancouver City Hall to protest against a far-right rally on Saturday afternoon.

Tensions rose briefly as protesters from opposing sides began yelling at each other, but Vancouver police quickly escorted several far-right demonstrators away from the crowd. One protester was in handcuffs.

Plans for the far-right demonstration began circulating on social media earlier in the week, not long after a deadly white nationalist march in Charlottesville, Va.

According to a Facebook page for the event, the rally is protesting Islam and the Canadian government's immigration policies. The page is no longer live, but the demonstration was expected to begin around 2 p.m. PT.

By 3 p.m., a handful of far-right protesters appeared to have gathered. They held confederate flags and the "alt-right" symbols for Pepe and Kekistan. One wore a shirt in support of U.S. President Donald Trump.

Counter-protest

Counter-protesters started streamed into the city hall area — as well as the nearby SkyTrain station and surrounding streets — around 12:45 p.m. PT.
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Upbeat music and cheers could be heard from neighbouring apartments.

Isabelle Rowe-Codner, one of the anti-racism rally's organizers, said the number of attendees for the counter-rally doubled in a day.

"We've gotten so much support ... It's all been happening so quickly," she said on Friday.

Organizers said the counter-protest is peaceful, "essentially" there to outnumber the far-right protesters and "give our voice some say."

Rowe-Codner said the group took extra security measures as its numbers grew, and volunteers will be watching the counter-protest crowd closely to keep the peace.

"We are going to have many people who are vulnerable attending … If anybody instigates something from our side, it'll be those [vulnerable] people [in our group] who are most likely targeted by white supremacists," she said.

"If those affected by white supremacy and racism felt unsafe at our rally, then we wouldn't be doing our job."

Rowe-Codner said the coalition saw some pushback about the rally earlier in the week, and not just from the far-right.

"A lot of people [who lean left and central] are saying, maybe if you ignore this situation they'll go away ... But there are a lot of people and communities out there that face white supremacy and who can't ignore it," she said.

"We can't let this problem grow and grow until it becomes a situation like Charlottesville."

On Wednesday, Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson condemned the far-right rally, saying "hatred and racism have no place" in the city.

He said people have the right to demonstrate and the city can't shut an event down, but city staff will be working to ensure the events are peaceful.

Premier John Horgan also made a statement supporting the counter-protesters, saying the province rejects "all forms of racism, discrimination, intolerance and bigotry."


So much for the violent librhuls.
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Kaname_Madoka
08/19/17 7:04:35 PM
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man why do the nazis have to come here


screw off man
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Dash_Harber
08/19/17 7:05:32 PM
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Kaname_Madoka posted...
man why do the nazis have to come here


screw off man


I think that is the message they got when like 4x as many people showed off and peaceful told them to fuck right off by having a great party they weren't invited too.
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GiftedACIII
08/19/17 7:10:23 PM
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It's a bit easier to do that when expressing bad opinions is outright illegal in Canada
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Kaname_Madoka
08/19/17 7:10:56 PM
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@GiftedACIII posted...
It's a bit easier to do that when expressing bad opinions is outright illegal in Canada

Dash_Harber posted...

On Wednesday, Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson condemned the far-right rally, saying "hatred and racism have no place" in the city.

He said people have the right to demonstrate and the city can't shut an event down, but city staff will be working to ensure the events are peaceful.

shut your fuck. thanks
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Sephiroth1288
08/19/17 7:11:13 PM
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4,000 people showed up to protest a handful of kekistani kids?

Jesus, talk about being easily triggered.
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HiddenLurker
08/19/17 7:13:47 PM
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Gj you keep them seperate ans nobody gets physically hurt.
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EverDownward
08/19/17 7:19:18 PM
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Four thousand people show up to counter a handful of people they don't agree with? You need that many people to get rid of just a few? That sounds super fair, brah.
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jayj350
08/19/17 7:22:28 PM
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Canada... the land of canucks
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Axiom
08/19/17 7:23:28 PM
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Wtf is with Trump supporters existing in Canada. Also lmao at someone waving a confederate flag there
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WaffIeElite
08/19/17 7:26:00 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
4,000 people showed up to protest a handful of kekistani kids?

Jesus, talk about being easily triggered.


Sounds like Canada actually knows how to get shit done, unlike the country that elected an obese manchild prone to internet meltdowns...
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BootyGif
08/19/17 7:34:28 PM
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WaffIeElite posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
4,000 people showed up to protest a handful of kekistani kids?

Jesus, talk about being easily triggered.


Sounds like Canada actually knows how to get shit done, unlike the country that elected an obese manchild prone to internet meltdowns...

who, ironically, is the most triggered human in history.
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darkzero297
08/19/17 7:50:27 PM
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I'm really proud of my city for this. Tensions are so high and they handled it so well. The government stood for their right to demonstrate but repudiated bigotry, the demonstration was peaceful and the counter protesters made their point in far greater numbers while carrying an awareness and responsibility to prevent violence occuring within their own ranks to preserve their message and live up to their political ideals.

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Sephiroth1288
08/19/17 7:57:15 PM
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WaffIeElite posted...
Sounds like Canada actually knows how to get s*** done

Yeah, like scaring away a couple of nutjobs.

Too bad they can't handle things that matter, like their own little refugee crisis...
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Dash_Harber
08/19/17 8:31:06 PM
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I like the goalpost and name calling this has brought on.

The alt-right has freedom of speech, but when counter protestors show up to express their freedom of speech, they are unfair. The left are ultra-violent, but when it proves that centrist and leftists can gather without inciting violence, then they are just 'triggered'. No matter what, you've convinced yourself that the alt-right groups must be right. You guys take it to Orwellien levels; if the left is non-violent, they are actually secretly violent. Democracy is about expressing freedom of speech, except when the view that opposes mine far out numbers me, then it's unfair. If anyone outside of my thoughtgroup disagrees with me, they are triggered. If anyone outside of my thoughtgroup proves me wrong, then I will bring up something barely tangentially related to criticize them (ad hominem or other logical fallacies).

Cue Nazi apologists picking one sentence out of the above statement and saying they disagree and then ignoring everything else that was said and the article that was posted in the first place.
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GiftedACIII
08/19/17 8:32:33 PM
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Kaname_Madoka posted...
@GiftedACIII posted...
It's a bit easier to do that when expressing bad opinions is outright illegal in Canada

Dash_Harber posted...

On Wednesday, Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson condemned the far-right rally, saying "hatred and racism have no place" in the city.

He said people have the right to demonstrate and the city can't shut an event down, but city staff will be working to ensure the events are peaceful.

shut your fuck. thanks


It's still easier to do when what people can say are more restricted which lessons the amount of tensions rising. Although
Dash_Harber posted...
Tensions rose briefly as protesters from opposing sides began yelling at each other, but Vancouver police quickly escorted several far-right demonstrators away from the crowd. One protester was in handcuffs.

seems to imply there were people who were arrested for doing the rally.
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The Deadpool
08/19/17 8:33:56 PM
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EverDownward posted...
Four thousand people show up to counter a handful of people they don't agree with? You need that many people to get rid of just a few? That sounds super fair, brah.


Life isn't meant to be fair.

Both Mussolini and Hitler started with a group of less than 100 people. Imagine if someone had quashed that shit right then and there...
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Dash_Harber
08/19/17 8:35:29 PM
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GiftedACIII posted...
seems to imply there were people who were arrested for doing the rally.


Pure conjecture. We don't know what they were arrested for. They could have had weapons, they could have threatened someone, etc. You can't hang your hat on that argument just because you want to believe that they were arrested unfairly.
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Bio1590
08/19/17 8:36:14 PM
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The guy who organized this has also been posting anti-semetic and outright racist stuff on Twitter.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
08/19/17 8:37:59 PM
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San Francisco is just having people bring dog shit to cover the field they're rally is on the day before the event.

I might go up if there's a counter protest.
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Sephiroth1288
08/19/17 8:45:12 PM
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Dash_Harber posted...
The alt-right has freedom of speech, but when counter protestors show up to express their freedom of speech, they are unfair.

Who said that?

Dash_Harber posted...
The left are ultra-violent, but when it proves that centrist and leftists can gather without inciting violence, then they are just 'triggered'.

If only their track record were as clean as this protest...

Dash_Harber posted...
No matter what, you've convinced yourself that the alt-right groups must be right.

Who said that?

Dash_Harber posted...
if the left is non-violent, they are actually secretly violent.

But they are violent. A few protests where no violence occurs doesn't change that.

Dash_Harber posted...
Democracy is about expressing freedom of speech, except when the view that opposes mine far out numbers me, then it's unfair.

Again, who said that?
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Sephiroth1288
08/19/17 8:45:45 PM
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
San Francisco is just having people bring dog s*** to cover the field they're rally is on the day before the event.

Are they gonna pick it all up too?
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SGT_Conti
08/19/17 8:47:23 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
WaffIeElite posted...
Sounds like Canada actually knows how to get s*** done

Yeah, like scaring away a couple of nutjobs.

Too bad they can't handle things that matter, like their own little refugee crisis...

Wait what crisis
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Sephiroth1288
08/19/17 8:49:36 PM
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SGT_Conti posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
WaffIeElite posted...
Sounds like Canada actually knows how to get s*** done

Yeah, like scaring away a couple of nutjobs.

Too bad they can't handle things that matter, like their own little refugee crisis...

Wait what crisis

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-4804410/Canada-struggles-refugee-surge-US.html
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Bio1590
08/19/17 9:17:34 PM
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I like how it's "our crisis" as if we can do anything about the shitty political atmosphere in the US.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
08/19/17 9:49:47 PM
#26:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
San Francisco is just having people bring dog s*** to cover the field they're rally is on the day before the event.

Are they gonna pick it all up too?


The group organizing it said they would the following day. It's a park.
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Dash_Harber
08/19/17 10:25:35 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
Who said that?

EverDownward posted...
Four thousand people show up to counter a handful of people they don't agree with? You need that many people to get rid of just a few? That sounds super fair, brah.


Sephiroth1288 posted...

If only their track record were as clean as this protest...

Not a single mention of any sort of left group here. Literally just citizens showing up to show their support. What track record do these random citizens have?
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Dash_Harber
08/19/17 10:25:39 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
Who said that?

I'm pointing out that people have literally made arguments like, "you're just triggered" and "that many people showing up is unfair".

Sephiroth1288 posted...
But they are violent. A few protests where no violence occurs doesn't change that.

Again, what group is violent? Are all citizens of Vancouver now automatically members of Antifa? You are literally saying everyone who opposes Nazis and like-minded ideologies is violent. That's hilariously ridiculous.

Sephiroth1288 posted...
Again, who said that?

Sephiroth1288 posted...
4,000 people showed up to protest a handful of kekistani kids?

Jesus, talk about being easily triggered.


EverDownward posted...
Four thousand people show up to counter a handful of people they don't agree with? You need that many people to get rid of just a few? That sounds super fair, brah.
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Dash_Harber
08/19/17 10:26:42 PM
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Any thank you for cycling through literally every bad argument I pointed out that would be levied against this (moving goal posts, ad hominem, etc).
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YourAlt
08/19/17 10:30:51 PM
#30:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
The alt-right has freedom of speech, but when counter protestors show up to express their freedom of speech, they are unfair.

Who said that?

Dash_Harber posted...
The left are ultra-violent, but when it proves that centrist and leftists can gather without inciting violence, then they are just 'triggered'.

If only their track record were as clean as this protest...

Dash_Harber posted...
No matter what, you've convinced yourself that the alt-right groups must be right.

Who said that?

Dash_Harber posted...
if the left is non-violent, they are actually secretly violent.

But they are violent. A few protests where no violence occurs doesn't change that.

Dash_Harber posted...
Democracy is about expressing freedom of speech, except when the view that opposes mine far out numbers me, then it's unfair.

Again, who said that?


No violence occurs at the vast majority of leftist protests.
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Sephiroth1288
08/19/17 10:48:00 PM
#31:


YourAlt posted...
No violence occurs at the vast majority of leftist protests.

Nor at the majority of KKK rallies. Does that make them better?
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Dash_Harber
08/19/17 10:49:37 PM
#32:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
YourAlt posted...
No violence occurs at the vast majority of leftist protests.

Nor at the majority of KKK rallies. Does that make them better?


I think you missed my post pointing out all the ways you were wrong.
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YourAlt
08/19/17 10:50:39 PM
#33:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
YourAlt posted...
No violence occurs at the vast majority of leftist protests.

Nor at the majority of KKK rallies. Does that make them better?


I knew that was exactly how you would answer. No shit, sherlock. I never said the majority of kkk rallies were violent. They do preach violence, though.

Why are you stating outright lies about leftist protest?

Lol, literally defending the KKK. Way to go
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Sephiroth1288
08/19/17 11:00:51 PM
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YourAlt posted...
I knew that was exactly how you would answer. No s***, sherlock. I never said the majority of kkk rallies were violent. They do preach violence, though.

Much like leftists do against anyone on the right.

YourAlt posted...
Lol, literally defending the KKK. Way to go

I don't defend the KKK, but the people on the left here sure do like defending people who use similar tactics as them.
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Dash_Harber
08/19/17 11:07:24 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
Much like leftists do against anyone on the right.


I'm generally considered left. I don't preach violence. I know many others who share the same view. There is absolutely nothing inherently violent about left wing ideology. However, both the KKK and Nazism is inherently violent and preaches the stripping of certain people's fundamental rights. You saying all leftists are violence is absolute malarkey and completely made up to further your agenda.

That and you are wonderfully derailing the topic because this topic is about an effective peaceful, un-sponsored, counter protest which contained people from a wide political spectrum and no particular affiliation.
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YourAlt
08/19/17 11:07:30 PM
#36:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
YourAlt posted...
I knew that was exactly how you would answer. No s***, sherlock. I never said the majority of kkk rallies were violent. They do preach violence, though.

Much like leftists do against anyone on the right.

YourAlt posted...
Lol, literally defending the KKK. Way to go

I don't defend the KKK, but the people on the left here sure do like defending people who use similar tactics as them.


I've been to many leftist protests, never once have I heard any violent rhetoric preached.

I'm guessing you've been to exactly zero.

..But, but, Brietbart said...!
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Sephiroth1288
08/19/17 11:11:31 PM
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YourAlt posted...
I've been to many leftist protests, never once have I heard any violent rhetoric preached.

Well if you personally didn't see it then I guess it doesn't happen! </sarcasm>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzwq7qMIV88

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Dash_Harber
08/19/17 11:20:32 PM
#38:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
YourAlt posted...
I've been to many leftist protests, never once have I heard any violent rhetoric preached.

Well if you personally didn't see it then I guess it doesn't happen! </sarcasm>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzwq7qMIV88


So basically, you are done actually talking about the topic at hand, and you are just using it as a platform to condescendingly yell at everyone your factually untrue beliefs and opinions while ignoring anyone who points out the flaws in your arguments?
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YourAlt
08/19/17 11:21:43 PM
#39:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
YourAlt posted...
I've been to many leftist protests, never once have I heard any violent rhetoric preached.

Well if you personally didn't see it then I guess it doesn't happen! </sarcasm>



Indeed, it really doesn't happen. I have been to way more events than are in this video. Dozens and dozens more. My empirical evidence is stronger than this dumb video of people acting restless.

You are wrong, bottom line. I'm sure you are used to that, though.
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Sephiroth1288
08/19/17 11:24:21 PM
#40:


YourAlt posted...
Indeed, it really doesn't happen. I have been to way more events than is in this video. Dozens and dozens more. My empirical evidence is stronger than this dumb video of people acting restless.

Restless? Beating small girls with sticks and setting cars on fire is your idea of "restless"?

Jesus, how far gone are you? Maybe you should lay off the leftist protests for awhile, they're starting to rot your brain
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Dash_Harber
08/19/17 11:24:47 PM
#41:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
YourAlt posted...
Indeed, it really doesn't happen. I have been to way more events than is in this video. Dozens and dozens more. My empirical evidence is stronger than this dumb video of people acting restless.

Restless? Beating small girls with sticks and setting cars on fire is your idea of "restless"?

Seriously, are you ignoring me now?
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Axiom
08/19/17 11:27:07 PM
#42:


Dash_Harber posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
YourAlt posted...
Indeed, it really doesn't happen. I have been to way more events than is in this video. Dozens and dozens more. My empirical evidence is stronger than this dumb video of people acting restless.

Restless? Beating small girls with sticks and setting cars on fire is your idea of "restless"?

Seriously, are you ignoring me now?

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YourAlt
08/19/17 11:27:20 PM
#43:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
YourAlt posted...
Indeed, it really doesn't happen. I have been to way more events than is in this video. Dozens and dozens more. My empirical evidence is stronger than this dumb video of people acting restless.

Restless? Beating small girls with sticks and setting cars on fire is your idea of "restless"?

Jesus, how far gone are you? Maybe you should lay off the leftist protests for awhile, they're starting to rot your brain


Shut the fuck up, you disingenuous liar. You are literally talking about one incident, that I didn't even see in the video lol. I am talking about many, many events. Most of that video was inoccuous as fuck, tbh.

How many protest events have you been to?
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YourAlt
08/19/17 11:28:07 PM
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Hahaha, it's Mal? No wonder he's fucking wrong and defending the KKK. What a waste of my time.
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Sephiroth1288
08/19/17 11:29:45 PM
#45:


Dash_Harber posted...
I'm generally considered left. I don't preach violence. I know many others who share the same view. There is absolutely nothing inherently violent about left wing ideology. However, both the KKK and Nazism is inherently violent and preaches the stripping of certain people's fundamental rights. You saying all leftists are violence is absolute malarkey and completely made up to further your agenda.

Antifa and other leftist groups like it are largely Marxist, another ideology that ensures violence. Why don't you decry them?
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Dash_Harber
08/19/17 11:29:56 PM
#46:


Axiom posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
YourAlt posted...
Indeed, it really doesn't happen. I have been to way more events than is in this video. Dozens and dozens more. My empirical evidence is stronger than this dumb video of people acting restless.

Restless? Beating small girls with sticks and setting cars on fire is your idea of "restless"?

Seriously, are you ignoring me now?

Are you not aware that's Mal Fet


Shit, I was not.

Anyway, back on topic.

Fuck Nazis and this alt-right bullshit, Vancouver and Boston did it right. Made them look like the fools they are.
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Sephiroth1288
08/19/17 11:31:22 PM
#47:


YourAlt posted...
Hahaha, it's Mal? No wonder he's f***ing wrong and defending the KKK.

Where'd I do that? I was making fun of you for defending shits who use KKK-like tactics.
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Dash_Harber
08/19/17 11:33:03 PM
#48:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
YourAlt posted...
Hahaha, it's Mal? No wonder he's f***ing wrong and defending the KKK.

Where'd I do that? I was making fun of you for defending shits who use KKK-like tactics.

Hey, buddy, if you can't man up and actually respond to me, don't roll around the topic desperately grasping at straws and trying to rile up random users. Go masturbate your victim complex somewhere else.
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YourAlt
08/19/17 11:33:16 PM
#49:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
YourAlt posted...
Hahaha, it's Mal? No wonder he's f***ing wrong and defending the KKK.

Where'd I do that? I was making fun of you for defending shits who use KKK-like tactics.


Shut the fuck up.
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averagejoel
08/19/17 11:34:53 PM
#50:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
I'm generally considered left. I don't preach violence. I know many others who share the same view. There is absolutely nothing inherently violent about left wing ideology. However, both the KKK and Nazism is inherently violent and preaches the stripping of certain people's fundamental rights. You saying all leftists are violence is absolute malarkey and completely made up to further your agenda.

Antifa and other leftist groups like it are largely Marxist, another ideology that ensures violence. Why don't you decry them?


violence against marginalized groups is bad

violence against fascists is good
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