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Medz2017
08/23/17 1:39:25 PM
#52:


eston posted...
Also, a kindergartner crying over something he or she misunderstood is basically a daily occurrence and doesn't lend much emotional weight to this story, lol

So you saying kindergartners are to young for this?
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OpheliaAdenade
08/23/17 1:39:35 PM
#53:


Tmk posted...
Breaking: parents furious their children are taught things at school.


well, my kindergarten teacher taught us all how to hotwire a car, and we were thankful for it. :u And we weren't tattles like these kids were. She explicitly told us not to tell our parents, and to only do it if we were really in trouble.
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Horus_Leftfield
08/23/17 1:40:39 PM
#54:


TBH every school should talk about this in kindergarten and pound it into kids it's not wrong to be transgendet
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Medussa
08/23/17 1:42:26 PM
#55:


darkjedilink posted...
DreadedWave posted...
s0nicfan posted...
I forgot that there are never two sides to a position that's still hotly debated, only "right" and "bigot"

It's "hotly debated" in the sense that global warming is "hotly debated" experts say gender dysphoria is a thing and conservatives cover their ears and go "LALALALALALALALA"

Kindergartners don't have gender dysphoria. It doesn't set in until adulthood.


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Medz2017
08/23/17 1:42:35 PM
#56:


OpheliaAdenade posted...
Tmk posted...
Breaking: parents furious their children are taught things at school.


well, my kindergarten teacher taught us all how to hotwire a car, and we were thankful for it. :u And we weren't tattles like these kids were. She explicitly told us not to tell our parents, and to only do it if we were really in trouble.

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BuckVanHammer
08/23/17 1:42:35 PM
#57:


eston posted...
Seems like the main reason they addressed it at all was because it was relevant to something that was happening in their classroom. Some of them got it, some of them didn't. I personally don't see much of an issue, and I wouldn't have a problem with them broaching this subject in my son's class

Yep i dont see the problem either, but the teacher should have known this was going to happen and brought it up with parents first.
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Medz2017
08/23/17 1:44:24 PM
#58:


Might as well go south park and have sex ed in kindergarten
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Tmk
08/23/17 1:46:26 PM
#59:


Let's not kid ourselves. The reason this is a problem is because a lot of parents either hate transgender people or are too inept to handle comprehending their existence well enough to actually talk about them and get pissy when a school runs the risk of making their kid less of an idiot than they are.
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AlephZero
08/23/17 1:47:20 PM
#60:


when i was in kindergarten i thought i was Link
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Horus_Leftfield
08/23/17 1:48:45 PM
#61:


Tmk posted...
Let's not kid ourselves. The reason this is a problem is because a lot of parents either hate transgender people or are too inept to handle comprehending their existence well enough to actually talk about them and get pissy when a school runs the risk of making their kid less of an idiot than they are.

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Callixtus
08/23/17 1:49:18 PM
#62:


Tmk posted...
Let's not kid ourselves. The reason this is a problem is because a lot of parents either hate transgender people or are too inept to handle comprehending their existence well enough to actually talk about them and get pissy when a school runs the risk of making their kid less of an idiot than they are.

Maybe the parents don't trust the teachers or the school system to properly distinguish between acceptance and promotion. I sure don't.

The reason they're either doing such a thing for children so young is suspect and reeks of indoctrination. Why not talk about how it's okay to be an apotemnophiliac? Doesn't fit the narrative.
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Annihilated
08/23/17 1:49:46 PM
#63:


Tmk posted...
Let's not kid ourselves.


Ok.

Tmk posted...
The reason this is a problem is because a lot of parents either hate transgender people or are too inept to handle comprehending their existence well enough to actually talk about them and get pissy when a school runs the risk of making their kid less of an idiot than they are.


Wait, what about that first thing you said.
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MrPeppers
08/23/17 1:50:11 PM
#64:


Callixtus posted...
Tmk posted...
Let's not kid ourselves. The reason this is a problem is because a lot of parents either hate transgender people or are too inept to handle comprehending their existence well enough to actually talk about them and get pissy when a school runs the risk of making their kid less of an idiot than they are.

Maybe the parents don't trust the teachers or the schools system to properly distinguish between acceptance and promotion. I sure don't.

The reason they're either doing such a thing for children so young is suspect and reeks of indoctrination. Why not talk about how it's okay to be an apotemnophiliac? Doesn't fit the narrative.


Have you met a kindergarten teacher before? Most of them are not particularly intelligent people. It's why they teach kindergarten.
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Zeeak4444
08/23/17 1:50:15 PM
#65:


Tmk posted...
Let's not kid ourselves. The reason this is a problem is because a lot of parents either hate transgender people or are too inept to handle comprehending their existence well enough to actually talk about them and get pissy when a school runs the risk of making their kid less of an idiot than they are.


That was a good laugh, thanks.
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Mr_MacPhisto
08/23/17 1:50:39 PM
#66:


Tmk posted...
Let's not kid ourselves. The reason this is a problem is because a lot of parents either hate transgender people or are too inept to handle comprehending their existence well enough to actually talk about them and get pissy when a school runs the risk of making their kid less of an idiot than they are.

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Medz2017
08/23/17 1:50:40 PM
#67:


Tmk posted...
Let's not kid ourselves. The reason this is a problem is because a lot of parents either hate transgender people or are too inept to handle comprehending their existence well enough to actually talk about them and get pissy when a school runs the risk of making their kid less of an idiot than they are.

Some parents hate a lot of things like their kids having sex before marriage. Should abstinence be taught and not safe sex?
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OpheliaAdenade
08/23/17 1:51:18 PM
#68:


I always got in trouble in kindergarten because I wouldn't stay on my carpet square. :u I just wanted to roll around on the floor.
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Callixtus
08/23/17 1:51:38 PM
#69:


MrPeppers posted...
Callixtus posted...
Tmk posted...
Let's not kid ourselves. The reason this is a problem is because a lot of parents either hate transgender people or are too inept to handle comprehending their existence well enough to actually talk about them and get pissy when a school runs the risk of making their kid less of an idiot than they are.

Maybe the parents don't trust the teachers or the schools system to properly distinguish between acceptance and promotion. I sure don't.

The reason they're either doing such a thing for children so young is suspect and reeks of indoctrination. Why not talk about how it's okay to be an apotemnophiliac? Doesn't fit the narrative.


Have you met a kindergarten teacher before? Most of them are not particularly intelligent people. It's why they teach kindergarten.

And many of them, I assume, are well meaning young people, oftentimes liberal women, indoctrinated into progressive gender ideology.
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eston
08/23/17 1:51:48 PM
#70:


Medz2017 posted...
eston posted...
Also, a kindergartner crying over something he or she misunderstood is basically a daily occurrence and doesn't lend much emotional weight to this story, lol

So you saying kindergartners are to young for this?

That's not what I'm saying at all. I mean, last week my son was upset because he thought the sun was going to disappear from the eclipse. I explained it to him and he ended up thinking it was cool. He's the same age as these kids. Just because a kid doesn't immediately get something doesn't mean it is inappropriate to teach them. As the article pointed out, other kids got it just fine.
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Tmk
08/23/17 1:53:26 PM
#71:


Callixtus posted...
The reason they're either doing such a thing for children so young is suspect and reeks of indoctrination.

Dude we're talking about making it clear transgender people exist and that's okay so people don't lose their shit over it later in life not some plot to destroy the universe by Reapers.
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MrPeppers
08/23/17 1:53:28 PM
#72:


Callixtus posted...
MrPeppers posted...
Callixtus posted...
Tmk posted...
Let's not kid ourselves. The reason this is a problem is because a lot of parents either hate transgender people or are too inept to handle comprehending their existence well enough to actually talk about them and get pissy when a school runs the risk of making their kid less of an idiot than they are.

Maybe the parents don't trust the teachers or the schools system to properly distinguish between acceptance and promotion. I sure don't.

The reason they're either doing such a thing for children so young is suspect and reeks of indoctrination. Why not talk about how it's okay to be an apotemnophiliac? Doesn't fit the narrative.


Have you met a kindergarten teacher before? Most of them are not particularly intelligent people. It's why they teach kindergarten.

And many of them, I assume, are well meaning young people, oftentimes liberal women, indoctrinated into progressive gender ideology.


That was meant for tmk, sorry. Phone is being uncooperative lol.
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Horus_Leftfield
08/23/17 1:53:52 PM
#73:


Callixtus posted...
MrPeppers posted...
Callixtus posted...
Tmk posted...
Let's not kid ourselves. The reason this is a problem is because a lot of parents either hate transgender people or are too inept to handle comprehending their existence well enough to actually talk about them and get pissy when a school runs the risk of making their kid less of an idiot than they are.

Maybe the parents don't trust the teachers or the schools system to properly distinguish between acceptance and promotion. I sure don't.

The reason they're either doing such a thing for children so young is suspect and reeks of indoctrination. Why not talk about how it's okay to be an apotemnophiliac? Doesn't fit the narrative.


Have you met a kindergarten teacher before? Most of them are not particularly intelligent people. It's why they teach kindergarten.

And many of them, I assume, are well meaning young people, oftentimes liberal women, indoctrinated into progressive gender ideology.

Progressive gender ideology, ie "not being a fucking douchebag to people"
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Sayoria
08/23/17 1:54:02 PM
#74:


Might happen. When I was in that grade, I had no idea I would be where I am at 30.
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Sir Will
08/23/17 1:55:03 PM
#75:


Callixtus posted...
Maybe the parents don't trust the teachers or the school system to properly distinguish between acceptance and promotion. I sure don't.

Yeah well I don't trust parents not to teach their children hate and intolerance. Or plain old lies.
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Callixtus
08/23/17 1:57:23 PM
#76:


Tmk posted...
Callixtus posted...
The reason they're either doing such a thing for children so young is suspect and reeks of indoctrination.

Dude we're talking about making it clear transgender people exist and that's okay so people don't lose their shit over it later in life not some plot to destroy the universe by Reapers.


Sure transgender people exist, and it is "okay", insofar as being okay means that we should not antagonize or vilify those people. But it is a disorder, characterized by behavior that is at odds with reality, and often leads to the destruction of functioning body parts and their substitution by inadequate, aesthetic replacements. We should in no way be promoting transgenderism among the youth, just like we should not be promoting any other harmful disorder that requires expensive and often irreversible medical treatment.
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Callixtus
08/23/17 1:58:14 PM
#77:


Sir Will posted...
Callixtus posted...
Maybe the parents don't trust the teachers or the school system to properly distinguish between acceptance and promotion. I sure don't.

Yeah well I don't trust parents not to teach their children hate and intolerance. Or plain old lies.

And thank God we still live in a country where people like you do not have the right to impose your version of "tolerance" or "truth" on the rest of the country.
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Sir Will
08/23/17 1:59:20 PM
#78:


Callixtus posted...
We should in no way be promoting transgenderism among the youth, just like we should not be promoting any other harmful disorder, that requires expensive and often irreversible medical treatment.

And by promoting it you of course mean allow them to live as they feel they are. Something that literally saves lives.
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OpheliaAdenade
08/23/17 1:59:27 PM
#79:


Callixtus posted...
Sure transgender people exist, and it is "okay", insofar as being okay means that we should not antagonize or vilify those people. But it is a disorder, characterized by behavior that is at odds with reality, and often leads to the destruction of functioning body parts and their replacement by inadequate, aesthetic replacements. We should in no way be promoting transgenderism among the youth, just like we should not be promoting any other harmful disorder, that requires expensive and often irreversible medical treatment.


Making kids aware of it isn't the same thing as "promoting" it. :u I mean, we teach kids about diabetes. That doesn't mean we want kids to get diabetes.
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Zeeak4444
08/23/17 1:59:32 PM
#80:


Sir Will posted...
Callixtus posted...
Maybe the parents don't trust the teachers or the school system to properly distinguish between acceptance and promotion. I sure don't.

Yeah well I don't trust parents not to teach their children hate and intolerance. Or plain old lies.


So you support indoctrination?

I mean, as long as it's towards your beliefs, of course?

I mean. How's that not a problem? People act like these issues are cut clear and dry. Anyone who thinks you're either "accepting" or a "bigot" and those are the only two positions on these issues should be dismissed outright.
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Sayoria
08/23/17 1:59:37 PM
#81:


Callixtus posted...
Tmk posted...
Callixtus posted...
The reason they're either doing such a thing for children so young is suspect and reeks of indoctrination.

Dude we're talking about making it clear transgender people exist and that's okay so people don't lose their shit over it later in life not some plot to destroy the universe by Reapers.


Sure transgender people exist, and it is "okay", insofar as being okay means that we should not antagonize or vilify those people. But it is a disorder, characterized by behavior that is at odds with reality, and often leads to the destruction of functioning body parts and their substitution by inadequate, aesthetic replacements. We should in no way be promoting transgenderism among the youth, just like we should not be promoting any other harmful disorder, that requires expensive and often irreversible medical treatment.



Promotion =/= Awareness.
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Tmk
08/23/17 1:59:38 PM
#82:


At odds with reality.

Transgender is at odds with reality huh?

Lemme ask you something: what are you? Are you your body, or, are you your brain?

Why is it, if the body and the brain disagree on what the person is, some people think the body takes precedence. Am I talking to hands right now, or, am I talking to a brain, a mind? If you believe in it, a soul?
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Sir Will
08/23/17 2:00:02 PM
#83:


Callixtus posted...
Sir Will posted...
Callixtus posted...
Maybe the parents don't trust the teachers or the school system to properly distinguish between acceptance and promotion. I sure don't.

Yeah well I don't trust parents not to teach their children hate and intolerance. Or plain old lies.

And thank God we still live in a country where people like you do not have the right to impose your version of "tolerance" or "truth" on the rest of the country.

Your god doesn't exist and school is a place to present these facts whether you like it or not.
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Medz2017
08/23/17 2:00:21 PM
#84:


eston posted...
Medz2017 posted...
eston posted...
Also, a kindergartner crying over something he or she misunderstood is basically a daily occurrence and doesn't lend much emotional weight to this story, lol

So you saying kindergartners are to young for this?

That's not what I'm saying at all. I mean, last week my son was upset because he thought the sun was going to disappear from the eclipse. I explained it to him and he ended up thinking it was cool. He's the same age as these kids. Just because a kid doesn't immediately get something doesn't mean it is inappropriate to teach them. As the article pointed out, other kids got it just fine.

you agree sex ed in kindergarten?
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Tmk
08/23/17 2:01:57 PM
#85:


Why do kids in kindergarten need to know about having sex? Are they going to be having sex at that age?

Now, they very well might run into transgender people at that age though.

See the difference?
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LittleRoyal
08/23/17 2:03:20 PM
#86:


MabusIncarnate posted...
This should be part of sexual education in school, not freakin kindergarten.

When they are old enough to learn about sex in the school they are attending, all aspects should be covered. Not before.

Yeah.

But schools want to get kids at a young age so they don't have time to form their own opinions. The younger you convince them of your ways the better your ideology seems to them.



Not to be that girl but it's a really smart strategy it was used a lot in WW2 as well, as well as making movies that promote that ideology
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Zeeak4444
08/23/17 2:03:24 PM
#87:


Tmk posted...
Why do kids in kindergarten need to know about having sex? Are they going to be having sex at that age?

Now, they very well might run into transgender people at that age though.

See the difference?


ITP children aren't sexually abused or coceried into things that are wrong.

They also don't report the creepy uncle because they don't know what even happened since they know nothing about sex.

See the stupidity?
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Medz2017
08/23/17 2:03:32 PM
#88:


Tmk posted...
At odds with reality.

Transgender is at odds with reality huh?

Lemme ask you something: what are you? Are you your body, or, are you your brain?

Why is it, if the body and the brain disagree on what the person is, some people think the body takes precedence. Am I talking to hands right now, or, am I talking to a brain, a mind? If you believe in it, a soul?

are transracials at odds with reality?
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LittleRoyal
08/23/17 2:04:19 PM
#89:


I'm just confused is the argument that your brain has a gender too?
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Sir Will
08/23/17 2:05:33 PM
#90:


LittleRoyal posted...
But schools want to get kids at a young age so they don't have time to form their own opinions. The younger you convince them of your ways the better your ideology seems to them.

Oh please. No, that's what parents do. Religion, anyone? Parents don't disappear. They can still teach their backwards beliefs to their kids. But it's the job of the school to present the facts and encourage tolerance and understanding.

Edit: and by facts I don't mean teaching them a god doesn't exist or whatever I mentioned before. I mean facts about science, about LGBTQ stuff, etc.
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Callixtus
08/23/17 2:06:05 PM
#91:


A lot of you seem to be under the misconception that I think tolerance and promotion are the same thing. You are unfortunately mistaken.

As I have already stated, I do not trust the schools or some random teacher to adequately distinguish between the two. Therefore, the parents were completely justified in being outraged at the school board. This teacher unannounced and unilaterally began to teach 5 year olds unknown lessons about transgenderism without informing the parents. That is irresponsible and an abuse of power.


Sir Will posted...
Callixtus posted...
Sir Will posted...
Callixtus posted...
Maybe the parents don't trust the teachers or the school system to properly distinguish between acceptance and promotion. I sure don't.

Yeah well I don't trust parents not to teach their children hate and intolerance. Or plain old lies.

And thank God we still live in a country where people like you do not have the right to impose your version of "tolerance" or "truth" on the rest of the country.

Your god doesn't exist and school is a place to present these facts whether you like it or not.

Whether God exists or not is both irrelevant and beyond your puny knowledge. What facts exactly are you referring to?
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Sir Will
08/23/17 2:06:13 PM
#92:


Medz2017 posted...
are transracials at odds with reality?

Race is not a mental state.
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Medussa
08/23/17 2:06:22 PM
#93:


Tmk posted...
At odds with reality.

Transgender is at odds with reality huh?

Lemme ask you something: what are you? Are you your body, or, are you your brain?

Why is it, if the body and the brain disagree on what the person is, some people think the body takes precedence. Am I talking to hands right now, or, am I talking to a brain, a mind? If you believe in it, a soul?


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Zeeak4444
08/23/17 2:06:25 PM
#94:


Sir Will posted...
LittleRoyal posted...
But schools want to get kids at a young age so they don't have time to form their own opinions. The younger you convince them of your ways the better your ideology seems to them.

Oh please. No, that's what parents do. Religion, anyone? Parents don't disappear. They can still teach their backwards beliefs to their kids. But it's the job of the school to present the facts and encourage tolerance and understanding.


Ideally, maybe. We can always pretend that's what actually happens or something.
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Tmk
08/23/17 2:06:43 PM
#95:


Zeeak4444 posted...
ITP children aren't sexually abused or coceried into things that are wrong.

They also don't report the creepy uncle because they don't know what even happened since they know nothing about sex.

See the stupidity?

Well I read your post so yes.

Medz2017 posted...
are transracials at odds with reality?

Gonna quote this as well because what I'm about to say applies equally to both: a clear sign you lost the argument, is when you try to argue about other things. "WELL WHAT ABOUT THIS"

Yeah no. You lost the argument about transgender, and are trying to act like "well if I argue about this other stuff, maybe I can come back ahead!"

Make arguments about why it's not okay for kids to learn about transgender people. Don't scatterbrain around throwing stuff at a wall until something sticks.
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Medussa
08/23/17 2:07:26 PM
#96:


LittleRoyal posted...
I'm just confused is the argument that your brain has a gender too?


yes. this is literally what gender identity is.
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Mr_MacPhisto
08/23/17 2:07:34 PM
#97:


Transgenderism in children is wrong. PERIOD.
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OpheliaAdenade
08/23/17 2:08:46 PM
#98:


Callixtus posted...
As I have already stated, I do not trust the schools or some random teacher to adequately distinguish between the two. Therefore, the parents were completely justified in being outraged at the school board. This teacher unannounced and unilaterally began to teach 5 year olds unknown lessons about transgenderism without informing the parents. That is irresponsible and an abuse of power.


You can't expect schools to run everything they teach by the parents before they teach it. If you want complete control over what your child is taught, homeschool them. That's what the Amish do. :u
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Sayoria
08/23/17 2:08:55 PM
#99:


Mr_MacPhisto posted...
Transgenderism in children is wrong. PERIOD.


It's a very real thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzbtSeVZeEE


So no.
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Callixtus
08/23/17 2:08:55 PM
#100:


Tmk posted...
At odds with reality.

Transgender is at odds with reality huh?

Lemme ask you something: what are you? Are you your body, or, are you your brain?

Why is it, if the body and the brain disagree on what the person is, some people think the body takes precedence. Am I talking to hands right now, or, am I talking to a brain, a mind? If you believe in it, a soul?

I choose to tie the definition of a person's gender to something concrete, ie the combination of chromosomes and anatomical expressions, not to unmeasurable subjective evaluations that only muddle what we mean when we say man or woman.
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Sir Will
08/23/17 2:09:19 PM
#101:


Mr_MacPhisto posted...
Transgenderism in children is wrong. PERIOD.

No. It's a thing whether you like it or not. And forcing them into an identity that's not theirs is deadly.
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