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Medz2017 08/23/17 4:13:00 PM #204:	RebelElite791 posted... Some of yall are fucking insane Who and why? --- Hi <cite>Medz2017 posted [p:885318326] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote>Some of yall are fucking insane</quote> Who and why?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medz2017 08/23/17 4:14:22 PM #205:	Zeeak4444 posted... Sayoria posted... s0nicfan posted... Sayoria posted... How is bringing awareness promoting it? There's a difference between "transgenderism is a thing some people are" and "transgenderism is a mental disorder that effects roughly 0.3% of the population" That's still not forcing dresses onto boys and buzzcuts onto girls. It's still a true fact and the statistical approach wouldn't work for youth of that age. I think the argument is that most things don't work at that age... The original idea was should the teacher get fired? But with any great discussion it can get into deeper thoughts. --- Hi <cite>Medz2017 posted [p:885318410] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sayoria posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sayoria posted...</cite> <quote> How is bringing awareness promoting it?</quote> There's a difference between "transgenderism is a thing some people are" and "transgenderism is a mental disorder that effects roughly 0.3% of the population"</quote> That's still not forcing dresses onto boys and buzzcuts onto girls. It's still a true fact and the statistical approach wouldn't work for youth of that age.</quote> I think the argument is that most things don't work at that age...</quote> The original idea was should the teacher get fired? But with any great discussion it can get into deeper thoughts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sayoria 08/23/17 4:19:47 PM #206:	Telling someone that autism is a thing doesn't make more people "become" autistic. Telling someone about PTSD doesn't cause people to have PTSD. Telling people about MC1R doesn't cause people to gain the MC1R gene. Yes, the theory works in products and marketing, but not with brain development and genetics. --- i.imgur.com/OBxVnqJ.png ~ www.azaleasdolls.com/dressupgames/heroine-creator.php i.imgur.com/Pj3WBiE.jpg ~ www.dolldivine.com/sailor-moon-senshi-maker.php <cite>Sayoria posted [p:885318710] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote>Telling someone that autism is a thing doesn't make more people "become" autistic. Telling someone about PTSD doesn't cause people to have PTSD. Telling people about MC1R doesn't cause people to gain the MC1R gene. Yes, the theory works in products and marketing, but not with brain development and genetics.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 08/23/17 4:26:34 PM #207:	Sayoria posted... Callixtus posted... Sayoria posted... Callixtus posted... Society can and should work against promoting transgenderism. And you know what would happen? More violence towards us. Your comment here is probably the worst idea I've ever heard. We don't choose to be who we are. We just are. Having society against us does nothing but encourages violence and suicide. Just accept us. Why is this so fucking hard? Another strawman argument. I've already said we should tolerate transgenderism, and love transgender people. But we should not be promoting it. I know this is too subtle a point for many people on CE to understand. We should punish bullies and arrest people who harass or assault transgender people, and ultimately preach a message of tolerance. That is as far as I go. I do not go as far as waving a rainbow flag and calling anyone who doesn't want their child exposed to left wing cultural Marxism a bigot. It is not bigoted to not want your child to suffer from what I believe is a disorder nor to wish to see a disorder promoted. How is bringing awareness promoting it? There is nothing wrong with awareness, in and of itself. But what "awareness" looks like is problematic. First, there's a selectivity issue. Gender dysphoria is a rare condition, affecting less than 1% of the population. Why should we choose to make children more aware of this condition than other ones? The answer of course, is because it fits well within a certain political agenda. Focusing on gender dysphoria, instead of other conditions that may affect children at a similar or even greater rate will often result in more instances in promoting it, because there is so much attention on the issue in the first place. Second, what are the mechanics of this awareness? I'm sure this teacher thought that she was merely making her class "aware" of gender dysphoria, but she unsurprisingly crossed the line into promotion. Who is responsible for how children are to be made aware? Since many liberal types are often authoritarian on these issues, they would rather avoid debate altogether, and assume the responsibility to impose their views themselves. It was good to see such an effort fail on this occasion. --- KhanofKhans, KhanJohnson, Saloonist, Basileos <cite>Callixtus posted [p:885319082] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sayoria posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sayoria posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Society can and should work against promoting transgenderism.</quote> And you know what would happen? More violence towards us. Your comment here is probably the worst idea I've ever heard. We don't choose to be who we are. We just are. Having society against us does nothing but encourages violence and suicide. Just accept us. Why is this so fucking hard?</quote> Another strawman argument. I've already said we should tolerate transgenderism, and love transgender people. But we should not be promoting it. I know this is too subtle a point for many people on CE to understand. We should punish bullies and arrest people who harass or assault transgender people, and ultimately preach a message of tolerance. That is as far as I go. I do not go as far as waving a rainbow flag and calling anyone who doesn't want their child exposed to left wing cultural Marxism a bigot. It is not bigoted to not want your child to suffer from what I believe is a disorder nor to wish to see a disorder promoted.</quote> How is bringing awareness promoting it?</quote> There is nothing wrong with awareness, in and of itself. But what "awareness" looks like is problematic. First, there's a selectivity issue. Gender dysphoria is a rare condition, affecting less than 1% of the population. Why should we choose to make children more aware of this condition than other ones? The answer of course, is because it fits well within a certain political agenda. Focusing on gender dysphoria, instead of other conditions that may affect children at a similar or even greater rate will often result in more instances in promoting it, because there is so much attention on the issue in the first place. Second, what are the mechanics of this awareness? I'm sure this teacher thought that she was merely making her class "aware" of gender dysphoria, but she unsurprisingly crossed the line into promotion. Who is responsible for how children are to be made aware? Since many liberal types are often authoritarian on these issues, they would rather avoid debate altogether, and assume the responsibility to impose their views themselves. It was good to see such an effort fail on this occasion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 08/23/17 4:31:39 PM #208:	APM posted... This is almost bad as ISIS teaching kids to behead a teddy bear to desensitized them No it isn't. Stop lying. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:885319383] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>APM posted...</cite> <quote>This is almost bad as ISIS teaching kids to behead a teddy bear to desensitized them</quote> No it isn't. Stop lying.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hop103 08/23/17 4:41:02 PM #209:	Horus_Leftfield posted... Earlier you teach kids not to hate the better This is not a lesson on racism or sexism, we're talking about an issue that will cause problems if taught about to those who are too young. --- "In the name of the future moon I shall punish you"-Chibi Moon <cite>Hop103 posted [p:885319908] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>Horus_Leftfield posted...</cite> <quote>Earlier you teach kids not to hate the better</quote> This is not a lesson on racism or sexism, we're talking about an issue that will cause problems if taught about to those who are too young.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tommybel89 08/23/17 4:54:16 PM #210:	Callixtus posted... Liberals propagating a dangerous ideology? You don't say... "But bruh, Nazis, even though only 500 turned up to a rally that was advertised for days/weeks." --- http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Superunknown-1225/ http://www.last.fm/user/Disposableher0 <cite>tommybel89 posted [p:885320673] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Liberals propagating a dangerous ideology? You don't say...</quote> "But bruh, Nazis, even though only 500 turned up to a rally that was advertised for days/weeks."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medz2017 08/23/17 5:01:28 PM #211:	Hop103 posted... Horus_Leftfield posted... Earlier you teach kids not to hate the better This is not a lesson on racism or sexism, we're talking about an issue that will cause problems if taught about to those who are too young. Kids hate algebra. Should it be taught in kindergarten? --- Hi <cite>Medz2017 posted [p:885321060] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hop103 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Horus_Leftfield posted...</cite> <quote>Earlier you teach kids not to hate the better</quote> This is not a lesson on racism or sexism, we're talking about an issue that will cause problems if taught about to those who are too young.</quote> Kids hate algebra. Should it be taught in kindergarten?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 08/23/17 5:08:13 PM #212:	LBGT trying to indoctrinate them when they are young --- Sweet dreams are made of cheese Who am I to diss a brie? <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:885321448] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote>LBGT trying to indoctrinate them when they are young</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 08/23/17 5:09:53 PM #213:	Bloodychess posted... LBGT trying to indoctrinate them when they are young Nope. Not at all what it's about. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:885321550] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>LBGT trying to indoctrinate them when they are young</quote> Nope. Not at all what it's about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Deadpool 08/23/17 5:16:39 PM #214:	s0nicfan posted... The Deadpool posted... s0nicfan posted... The problem is that "girl brain in a boy body" line, since we're talking about "settled science", is objectively false. fMRI studies were done (I think mayo clinic) where they showed they can clearly differentiate between a male and female brain in fMRI scans, but transperson's brains did not map to the brain patterns of their claimed gender. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/ What? You should check out the actual study and not the various articles trying to spin the results. The study found that the trans brains were in fact different than the average for their birth sex, but still NOT a match for the opposite sex. They took "different from their birth sex" and spun it as "a trans person has the brain of the other sex. Settled science" and ran with it. EDIT: Here's the actual study Scientific American was writing about: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022395610003250 Results MtF transsexuals differed from both male and female controls bilaterally in the superior longitudinal fasciculus, the right anterior cingulum, the right forceps minor, and the right corticospinal tract. Our results show that the white matter microstructure pattern in untreated MtF transsexuals falls halfway between the pattern of male and female controls. There are differences AND similarities. "Boy body with girl brain" is an oversimplification, but not outright incorrect. Teaching young kids that it is okay to be whatever they are isn't a negative. --- We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons. <cite>The Deadpool posted [p:885321968] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Deadpool posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>The problem is that "girl brain in a boy body" line, since we're talking about "settled science", is objectively false. fMRI studies were done (I think mayo clinic) where they showed they can clearly differentiate between a male and female brain in fMRI scans, but transperson's brains did not map to the brain patterns of their claimed gender.</quote> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/ What?</quote> You should check out the actual study and not the various articles trying to spin the results. The study found that the trans brains were in fact different than the average for their birth sex, but still NOT a match for the opposite sex. They took "different from their birth sex" and spun it as "a trans person has the brain of the other sex. Settled science" and ran with it. EDIT: Here's the actual study Scientific American was writing about: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022395610003250 <quote>Results MtF transsexuals differed from both male and female controls bilaterally in the superior longitudinal fasciculus, the right anterior cingulum, the right forceps minor, and the right corticospinal tract.</quote></quote> <quote>Our results show that the white matter microstructure pattern in untreated MtF transsexuals falls halfway between the pattern of male and female controls.</quote> There are differences AND similarities. "Boy body with girl brain" is an oversimplification, but not outright incorrect. Teaching young kids that it is okay to be whatever they are isn't a negative.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UncleBourbon33 08/23/17 5:18:30 PM #215:	Leftists are insane, holy shit. --- http://i.imgur.com/HtxqKRp.gif <cite>UncleBourbon33 posted [p:885322067] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote>Leftists are insane, holy shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 08/23/17 5:19:01 PM #216:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Bloodychess posted... LBGT trying to indoctrinate them when they are young Nope. Not at all what it's about. You can lie through your teeth but that doesn't change anything --- Sweet dreams are made of cheese Who am I to diss a brie? <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:885322092] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>LBGT trying to indoctrinate them when they are young</quote> Nope. Not at all what it's about.</quote> You can lie through your teeth but that doesn't change anything</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 08/23/17 5:20:25 PM #217:	The Deadpool posted... There are differences AND similarities. "Boy body with girl brain" is an oversimplification, but not outright incorrect. Teaching young kids that it is okay to be whatever they are isn't a negative. But teaching kids that what they are is something they aren't IS a negative. The study doesn't affirm that a mtf kid is a "girl brain in a boy body", but all the reporting on that study implied that was the case. All the study confirms is that a mtf brain is aberrant. I'm not suggesting you teach kids they're a freak or anything, but you don't tell a kid in a wheelchair they're the same as every other kid and then not build any ramps. You tell them that it's okay to be different, because they already know they're different, and then find ways to help them fit into society. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:885322186] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Deadpool posted...</cite> <quote> There are differences AND similarities. "Boy body with girl brain" is an oversimplification, but not outright incorrect. Teaching young kids that it is okay to be whatever they are isn't a negative.</quote> But teaching kids that what they are is something they aren't IS a negative. The study doesn't affirm that a mtf kid is a "girl brain in a boy body", but all the reporting on that study implied that was the case. All the study confirms is that a mtf brain is aberrant. I'm not suggesting you teach kids they're a freak or anything, but you don't tell a kid in a wheelchair they're the same as every other kid and then not build any ramps. You tell them that it's okay to be different, because they already know they're different, and then find ways to help them fit into society.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JohnLennon6 08/23/17 5:22:55 PM #218:	How is this any different than forcing kids to be religious? --- Blue Lives Matter <cite>JohnLennon6 posted [p:885322322] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote>How is this any different than forcing kids to be religious?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 08/23/17 5:25:00 PM #219:	Medz2017 posted... RebelElite791 posted... Some of yall are fucking insane Who and why? Anyone and everyone crying about "indoctrination" or comparing this to ISIS should never breed --- http://i.imgur.com/MS5SvzN.gif https://i.imgur.com/ahQpG57.jpg <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:885322418] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>Medz2017 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote>Some of yall are fucking insane</quote> Who and why?</quote> Anyone and everyone crying about "indoctrination" or comparing this to ISIS should never breed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Deadpool 08/23/17 5:25:48 PM #220:	s0nicfan posted... The study doesn't affirm that a mtf kid is a "girl brain in a boy body", The nature of these differences suggests that some fasciculi do not complete the masculinization process in MtF transsexuals during brain development. Again, an oversimplification. But not exactly wrong. And no one taught kids they ARE transgender. Just that some kids are and that's okay. --- We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons. <cite>The Deadpool posted [p:885322464] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>The study doesn't affirm that a mtf kid is a "girl brain in a boy body",</quote> <quote>The nature of these differences suggests that some fasciculi do not complete the masculinization process in MtF transsexuals during brain development.</quote> Again, an oversimplification. But not exactly wrong. And no one taught kids they ARE transgender. Just that some kids are and that's okay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UncleBourbon33 08/23/17 5:26:44 PM #221:	RebelElite791 posted... Medz2017 posted... RebelElite791 posted... Some of yall are fucking insane Who and why? Anyone and everyone crying about "indoctrination" or comparing this to ISIS should never breed It is indoctrination to teach kindergartners about transgenderism. The loony left --- http://i.imgur.com/HtxqKRp.gif <cite>UncleBourbon33 posted [p:885322522] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Medz2017 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote>Some of yall are fucking insane</quote> Who and why?</quote> Anyone and everyone crying about "indoctrination" or comparing this to ISIS should never breed</quote> It is indoctrination to teach kindergartners about transgenderism. The loony left</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sylph 08/23/17 5:27:03 PM #222:	s0nicfan posted... The Deadpool posted... There are differences AND similarities. "Boy body with girl brain" is an oversimplification, but not outright incorrect. Teaching young kids that it is okay to be whatever they are isn't a negative. But teaching kids that what they are is something they aren't IS a negative. The study doesn't affirm that a mtf kid is a "girl brain in a boy body", but all the reporting on that study implied that was the case. All the study confirms is that a mtf brain is aberrant. I'm not suggesting you teach kids they're a freak or anything, but you don't tell a kid in a wheelchair they're the same as every other kid and then not build any ramps. You tell them that it's okay to be different, because they already know they're different, and then find ways to help them fit into society. Oh yeah, and we could make the same arguments for left-handed people as well. The thing is, all these things can be taught and adapted to, and they don't have to be a problem. But it does require that people stop taking the existence of trans as this crazy thing to be stamped out, ostracized and litigated into obscurity. Stop trying to rationalize your dislike of the subject. It is clear that you aren't interested in helping children, you just want to make them intolerant of differences as well. --- ZSB: We look so much better in a dress than you. I wouldn't mind being alone if I could stand my own company. <cite>Sylph posted [p:885322544] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Deadpool posted...</cite> <quote> There are differences AND similarities. "Boy body with girl brain" is an oversimplification, but not outright incorrect. Teaching young kids that it is okay to be whatever they are isn't a negative.</quote> But teaching kids that what they are is something they aren't IS a negative. The study doesn't affirm that a mtf kid is a "girl brain in a boy body", but all the reporting on that study implied that was the case. All the study confirms is that a mtf brain is aberrant. I'm not suggesting you teach kids they're a freak or anything, but you don't tell a kid in a wheelchair they're the same as every other kid and then not build any ramps. You tell them that it's okay to be different, because they already know they're different, and then find ways to help them fit into society.</quote> Oh yeah, and we could make the same arguments for left-handed people as well. The thing is, all these things can be taught and adapted to, and they don't have to be a problem. But it does require that people stop taking the existence of trans as this crazy thing to be stamped out, ostracized and litigated into obscurity. Stop trying to rationalize your dislike of the subject. It is clear that you aren't interested in helping children, you just want to make them intolerant of differences as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JohnLennon6 08/23/17 5:27:13 PM #223:	UncleBourbon33 posted... RebelElite791 posted... Medz2017 posted... RebelElite791 posted... Some of yall are fucking insane Who and why? Anyone and everyone crying about "indoctrination" or comparing this to ISIS should never breed It is indoctrination to teach kindergartners about transgenderism. The loony left Is it indoctrination to force your kids to go to church? --- Blue Lives Matter <cite>JohnLennon6 posted [p:885322553] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>UncleBourbon33 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Medz2017 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote>Some of yall are fucking insane</quote> Who and why?</quote> Anyone and everyone crying about "indoctrination" or comparing this to ISIS should never breed</quote> It is indoctrination to teach kindergartners about transgenderism. The loony left</quote> Is it indoctrination to force your kids to go to church?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UncleBourbon33 08/23/17 5:29:21 PM #225:	JohnLennon6 posted... UncleBourbon33 posted... RebelElite791 posted... Medz2017 posted... RebelElite791 posted... Some of yall are fucking insane Who and why? Anyone and everyone crying about "indoctrination" or comparing this to ISIS should never breed It is indoctrination to teach kindergartners about transgenderism. The loony left Is it indoctrination to force your kids to go to church? No. --- http://i.imgur.com/HtxqKRp.gif <cite>UncleBourbon33 posted [p:885322671] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>JohnLennon6 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UncleBourbon33 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Medz2017 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote>Some of yall are fucking insane</quote> Who and why?</quote> Anyone and everyone crying about "indoctrination" or comparing this to ISIS should never breed</quote> It is indoctrination to teach kindergartners about transgenderism. The loony left</quote> Is it indoctrination to force your kids to go to church?</quote> No.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JohnLennon6 08/23/17 5:29:52 PM #226:	UncleBourbon33 posted... JohnLennon6 posted... UncleBourbon33 posted... RebelElite791 posted... Medz2017 posted... RebelElite791 posted... Some of yall are fucking insane Who and why? Anyone and everyone crying about "indoctrination" or comparing this to ISIS should never breed It is indoctrination to teach kindergartners about transgenderism. The loony left Is it indoctrination to force your kids to go to church? No. So you have no idea what you're talking about. --- Blue Lives Matter <cite>JohnLennon6 posted [p:885322697] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>UncleBourbon33 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JohnLennon6 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UncleBourbon33 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Medz2017 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote>Some of yall are fucking insane</quote> Who and why?</quote> Anyone and everyone crying about "indoctrination" or comparing this to ISIS should never breed</quote> It is indoctrination to teach kindergartners about transgenderism. The loony left</quote> Is it indoctrination to force your kids to go to church?</quote> No.</quote> So you have no idea what you're talking about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 08/23/17 5:29:56 PM #227:	JohnLennon6 posted... UncleBourbon33 posted... RebelElite791 posted... Medz2017 posted... RebelElite791 posted... Some of yall are fucking insane Who and why? Anyone and everyone crying about "indoctrination" or comparing this to ISIS should never breed It is indoctrination to teach kindergartners about transgenderism. The loony left Is it indoctrination to force your kids to go to church? One is the decision of a parent, the other is of a public worker --- Sweet dreams are made of cheese Who am I to diss a brie? <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:885322700] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>JohnLennon6 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UncleBourbon33 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Medz2017 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote>Some of yall are fucking insane</quote> Who and why?</quote> Anyone and everyone crying about "indoctrination" or comparing this to ISIS should never breed</quote> It is indoctrination to teach kindergartners about transgenderism. The loony left</quote> Is it indoctrination to force your kids to go to church?</quote> One is the decision of a parent, the other is of a public worker</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medz2017 08/23/17 5:30:39 PM #228:	UncleBourbon33 posted... JohnLennon6 posted... UncleBourbon33 posted... RebelElite791 posted... Medz2017 posted... RebelElite791 posted... Some of yall are fucking insane Who and why? Anyone and everyone crying about "indoctrination" or comparing this to ISIS should never breed It is indoctrination to teach kindergartners about transgenderism. The loony left Is it indoctrination to force your kids to go to church? No. Is it indoctrination to force your kids to go to school? --- Hi <cite>Medz2017 posted [p:885322747] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>UncleBourbon33 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JohnLennon6 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UncleBourbon33 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Medz2017 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote>Some of yall are fucking insane</quote> Who and why?</quote> Anyone and everyone crying about "indoctrination" or comparing this to ISIS should never breed</quote> It is indoctrination to teach kindergartners about transgenderism. The loony left</quote> Is it indoctrination to force your kids to go to church?</quote> No.</quote> Is it indoctrination to force your kids to go to school?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 08/23/17 5:31:11 PM #229:	Sylph posted... s0nicfan posted... The Deadpool posted... There are differences AND similarities. "Boy body with girl brain" is an oversimplification, but not outright incorrect. Teaching young kids that it is okay to be whatever they are isn't a negative. But teaching kids that what they are is something they aren't IS a negative. The study doesn't affirm that a mtf kid is a "girl brain in a boy body", but all the reporting on that study implied that was the case. All the study confirms is that a mtf brain is aberrant. I'm not suggesting you teach kids they're a freak or anything, but you don't tell a kid in a wheelchair they're the same as every other kid and then not build any ramps. You tell them that it's okay to be different, because they already know they're different, and then find ways to help them fit into society. Oh yeah, and we could make the same arguments for left-handed people as well. The thing is, all these things can be taught and adapted to, and they don't have to be a problem. But it does require that people stop taking the existence of trans as this crazy thing to be stamped out, ostracized and litigated into obscurity. Stop trying to rationalize your dislike of the subject. It is clear that you aren't interested in helping children, you just want to make them intolerant of differences as well. Oh fuck off. I actually bothered to read the study and educate myself on the subject, rather than just accept "my side's" arguments as doctrine. Don't pull that helping children bullshit. You know what helps? A study (small sample size) was done that showed that schizophrenia medication completely removed trans' individuals desire to be the opposite sex within a few days. Why aren't we funding a larger study to see if the results can be generalized? With a 40% suicide rate, that may be by far the best way to save lives. It's not dislike of the subject. I have no problem admitting 0.3% of the population is trans, and that's its a real condition. What I DO dislike is being told it's normal, we should celebrate it, and rather than continue to research treatment methods we should just assume the suicide rate is due entirely to social stigma (even though it doesn't go down in passing individuals) and will "go away" if we all believe hard enough. I'm sick of being told the left is the party of science while at the same time being told by the same people that we should make sweeping changes as a society when the science isn't there. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:885322780] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sylph posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Deadpool posted...</cite> <quote> There are differences AND similarities. "Boy body with girl brain" is an oversimplification, but not outright incorrect. Teaching young kids that it is okay to be whatever they are isn't a negative.</quote> But teaching kids that what they are is something they aren't IS a negative. The study doesn't affirm that a mtf kid is a "girl brain in a boy body", but all the reporting on that study implied that was the case. All the study confirms is that a mtf brain is aberrant. I'm not suggesting you teach kids they're a freak or anything, but you don't tell a kid in a wheelchair they're the same as every other kid and then not build any ramps. You tell them that it's okay to be different, because they already know they're different, and then find ways to help them fit into society.</quote> Oh yeah, and we could make the same arguments for left-handed people as well. The thing is, all these things can be taught and adapted to, and they don't have to be a problem. But it does require that people stop taking the existence of trans as this crazy thing to be stamped out, ostracized and litigated into obscurity. Stop trying to rationalize your dislike of the subject. It is clear that you aren't interested in helping children, you just want to make them intolerant of differences as well.</quote> Oh fuck off. I actually bothered to read the study and educate myself on the subject, rather than just accept "my side's" arguments as doctrine. Don't pull that helping children bullshit. You know what helps? A study (small sample size) was done that showed that schizophrenia medication completely removed trans' individuals desire to be the opposite sex within a few days. Why aren't we funding a larger study to see if the results can be generalized? With a 40% suicide rate, that may be by far the best way to save lives. It's not dislike of the subject. I have no problem admitting 0.3% of the population is trans, and that's its a real condition. What I DO dislike is being told it's normal, we should celebrate it, and rather than continue to research treatment methods we should just assume the suicide rate is due entirely to social stigma (even though it doesn't go down in passing individuals) and will "go away" if we all believe hard enough. I'm sick of being told the left is the party of science while at the same time being told by the same people that we should make sweeping changes as a society when the science isn't there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 08/23/17 5:35:13 PM #230:	s0nicfan posted... Oh fuck off. I actually bothered to read the study and educate myself on the subject, rather than just accept "my side's" arguments as doctrine. Don't pull that helping children bullshit. You know what helps? A study (small sample size) was done that showed that schizophrenia medication completely removed trans' individuals desire to be the opposite sex within a few days. Why aren't we funding a larger study to see if the results can be generalized? With a 40% suicide rate, that may be by far the best way to save lives. It's not dislike of the subject. I have no problem admitting 0.3% of the population is trans, and that's its a real condition. What I DO dislike is being told it's normal, we should celebrate it, and rather than continue to research treatment methods we should just assume the suicide rate is due entirely to social stigma (even though it doesn't go down in passing individuals) and will "go away" if we all believe hard enough. Bingo! --- Oda break tracker 2017- 6 (3) Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:885322982] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Oh fuck off. I actually bothered to read the study and educate myself on the subject, rather than just accept "my side's" arguments as doctrine. Don't pull that helping children bullshit. You know what helps? A study (small sample size) was done that showed that schizophrenia medication completely removed trans' individuals desire to be the opposite sex within a few days. Why aren't we funding a larger study to see if the results can be generalized? With a 40% suicide rate, that may be by far the best way to save lives. It's not dislike of the subject. I have no problem admitting 0.3% of the population is trans, and that's its a real condition. What I DO dislike is being told it's normal, we should celebrate it, and rather than continue to research treatment methods we should just assume the suicide rate is due entirely to social stigma (even though it doesn't go down in passing individuals) and will "go away" if we all believe hard enough.</quote> Bingo!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 08/23/17 5:35:56 PM #231:	Horus Leftfield is such an obvious troll. --- FFX is the best game of all time. The only good Nintendo franchises are Pokemon and Fire Emblem. Comics are for kids. https://i.imgur.com/LJ3WSyB.gif <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:885323022] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote>Horus Leftfield is such an obvious troll.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/23/17 5:37:11 PM #232:	The Deadpool posted... s0nicfan posted... The study doesn't affirm that a mtf kid is a "girl brain in a boy body", The nature of these differences suggests that some fasciculi do not complete the masculinization process in MtF transsexuals during brain development. Again, an oversimplification. But not exactly wrong. And no one taught kids they ARE transgender. Just that some kids are and that's okay. It's literally wrong to say 'boy body, girl brain.' And kids aren't trans, since almost every case of dysmorphia goes away after puberty ends. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:885323071] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Deadpool posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>The study doesn't affirm that a mtf kid is a "girl brain in a boy body",</quote> <quote>The nature of these differences suggests that some fasciculi do not complete the masculinization process in MtF transsexuals during brain development.</quote> Again, an oversimplification. But not exactly wrong. And no one taught kids they ARE transgender. Just that some kids are and that's okay.</quote> It's literally wrong to say 'boy body, girl brain.' And kids aren't trans, since almost every case of dysmorphia goes away after puberty ends.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medussa 08/23/17 5:43:18 PM #234:	darkjedilink posted... It's literally wrong to say 'boy body, girl brain.' And kids aren't trans, since almost every case of dysmorphia goes away after puberty ends. still waiting for you to (even attempt to) prove that assertion. --- Boom! That's right, this is all happening! You cannot change the channel now! Act now! Venchmen are standing by for your orders! <cite>Medussa posted [p:885323369] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>It's literally wrong to say 'boy body, girl brain.' And kids aren't trans, since almost every case of dysmorphia goes away after puberty ends.</quote> still waiting for you to (even attempt to) prove that assertion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 08/23/17 5:44:29 PM #235:	JohnLennon6 posted... How is this any different than forcing kids to be religious? because transgender people are objectively real --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:885323427] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>JohnLennon6 posted...</cite> <quote>How is this any different than forcing kids to be religious?</quote> because transgender people are objectively real</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glass_Phantom 08/23/17 5:44:57 PM #236:	This is good! We should be teaching our children as young as possible that some boys aren't comfortable being boys, and some girls aren't comfortable being girls. If it's left unsaid, then children will (in their innocence and ignorance) bully each other for being different, which will only cause more pain and and subjugation for transgender individuals. Being honest with kids from a young age is the best way to promote tolerance, kindness, and mental health. <cite>Glass_Phantom posted [p:885323447] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote>This is good! We should be teaching our children as young as possible that some boys aren't comfortable being boys, and some girls aren't comfortable being girls. If it's left unsaid, then children will (in their innocence and ignorance) bully each other for being different, which will only cause more pain and and subjugation for transgender individuals. Being honest with kids from a young age is the best way to promote tolerance, kindness, and mental health.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sylph 08/23/17 5:46:30 PM #237:	s0nicfan posted... Oh fuck off. I actually bothered to read the study and educate myself on the subject, rather than just accept "my side's" arguments as doctrine. Don't pull that helping children bullshit. You know what helps? A study (small sample size) was done that showed that schizophrenia medication completely removed trans' individuals desire to be the opposite sex within a few days. Why aren't we funding a larger study to see if the results can be generalized? With a 40% suicide rate, that may be by far the best way to save lives. It's not dislike of the subject. I have no problem admitting 0.3% of the population is trans, and that's its a real condition. What I DO dislike is being told it's normal, we should celebrate it, and rather than continue to research treatment methods we should just assume the suicide rate is due entirely to social stigma (even though it doesn't go down in passing individuals) and will "go away" if we all believe hard enough. I'm sick of being told the left is the party of science while at the same time being told by the same people that we should make sweeping changes as a society when the science isn't there. I'm not accepting a side's arguments as my own. I made my own. I am a trans woman, and I went through life as a child that knew they wanted to transition from a young age. I know you can put up study after study of bullshit for your arguments. The world had to go through the same adventures when it was trying to prove that the world was not flat, or that the universe didn't revolve around it. Do you know how many random experts popped up defending those views? It took centuries for no reason. And you know what, that is what is happening now. Being trans is not inherently damaging. It doesn't disable you, and it doesn't have to reduce your quality of life. Any problems that arise are almost entirely caused by knee jerk reactions by ideologies that are intolerant of deviation from their viewpoints. Children don't hate. Hate is taught. Those children wouldn't have any problem with someone changing gender, I know because I was in elementary school and I had no trouble doing that same thing even without the teacher's help. --- ZSB: We look so much better in a dress than you. I wouldn't mind being alone if I could stand my own company. <cite>Sylph posted [p:885323525] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Oh fuck off. I actually bothered to read the study and educate myself on the subject, rather than just accept "my side's" arguments as doctrine. Don't pull that helping children bullshit. You know what helps? A study (small sample size) was done that showed that schizophrenia medication completely removed trans' individuals desire to be the opposite sex within a few days. Why aren't we funding a larger study to see if the results can be generalized? With a 40% suicide rate, that may be by far the best way to save lives. It's not dislike of the subject. I have no problem admitting 0.3% of the population is trans, and that's its a real condition. What I DO dislike is being told it's normal, we should celebrate it, and rather than continue to research treatment methods we should just assume the suicide rate is due entirely to social stigma (even though it doesn't go down in passing individuals) and will "go away" if we all believe hard enough. I'm sick of being told the left is the party of science while at the same time being told by the same people that we should make sweeping changes as a society when the science isn't there.</quote> I'm not accepting a side's arguments as my own. I made my own. I am a trans woman, and I went through life as a child that knew they wanted to transition from a young age. I know you can put up study after study of bullshit for your arguments. The world had to go through the same adventures when it was trying to prove that the world was not flat, or that the universe didn't revolve around it. Do you know how many random experts popped up defending those views? It took centuries for no reason. And you know what, that is what is happening now. Being trans is not inherently damaging. It doesn't disable you, and it doesn't have to reduce your quality of life. Any problems that arise are almost entirely caused by knee jerk reactions by ideologies that are intolerant of deviation from their viewpoints. Children don't hate. Hate is taught. Those children wouldn't have any problem with someone changing gender, I know because I was in elementary school and I had no trouble doing that same thing even without the teacher's help.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 08/23/17 5:47:52 PM #238:	Medussa posted... darkjedilink posted... It's literally wrong to say 'boy body, girl brain.' And kids aren't trans, since almost every case of dysmorphia goes away after puberty ends. still waiting for you to (even attempt to) prove that assertion. I'll do it for him: https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-dysphoria-in-children This means that at least 72 percent of what accounts for transsexualism in one twin and not in the other occurs after birth and is not biological. Such a high discordance rate among identical twins proves that no one is born pre-determined to have gender dysphoria let alone pre-determined to identify as transgender or transsexual. This is consistent with the dramatic rates of resolution of gender dysphoria documented among children when they are not encouraged to impersonate the opposite sex. The low concordance rate also supports the theory that persistent GD is dues predominantly to the impact of non-shared environmental influences upon certain biologically vulnerable children. To be clear, twin studies alone establish that the “alternative perspective” of an “innate gender identity” arising from prenatally “feminized” or “masculinized” brains trapped in the wrong body is in fact an ideological belief that has no basis in rigorous science. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:885323596] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>Medussa posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>It's literally wrong to say 'boy body, girl brain.' And kids aren't trans, since almost every case of dysmorphia goes away after puberty ends.</quote> still waiting for you to (even attempt to) prove that assertion.</quote> I'll do it for him: https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-dysphoria-in-children <quote>This means that at least 72 percent of what accounts for transsexualism in one twin and not in the other occurs after birth and is not biological. Such a high discordance rate among identical twins proves that no one is born pre-determined to have gender dysphoria let alone pre-determined to identify as transgender or transsexual. This is consistent with the dramatic rates of resolution of gender dysphoria documented among children when they are not encouraged to impersonate the opposite sex. The low concordance rate also supports the theory that persistent GD is dues predominantly to the impact of non-shared environmental influences upon certain biologically vulnerable children. To be clear, twin studies alone establish that the “alternative perspective” of an “innate gender identity” arising from prenatally “feminized” or “masculinized” brains trapped in the wrong body is in fact an ideological belief that has no basis in rigorous science.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glass_Phantom 08/23/17 5:49:13 PM #239:	Sylph posted... I'm not accepting a side's arguments as my own. I made my own. I am a trans woman, and I went through life as a child that knew they wanted to transition from a young age. Mad props for being courageous enough to declare that here among people who will might tag and harass you for it. Don't ever let them get you down. There are good people on this forum who'll always support your choice. Kudos and much respect. <cite>Glass_Phantom posted [p:885323673] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sylph posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not accepting a side's arguments as my own. I made my own. I am a trans woman, and I went through life as a child that knew they wanted to transition from a young age.</quote> Mad props for being courageous enough to declare that here among people who will might tag and harass you for it. Don't ever let them get you down. There are good people on this forum who'll always support your choice. Kudos and much respect.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medussa 08/23/17 5:49:26 PM #240:	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians l o fucking l --- Boom! That's right, this is all happening! You cannot change the channel now! Act now! Venchmen are standing by for your orders! <cite>Medussa posted [p:885323686] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians l o fucking l</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 08/23/17 5:49:40 PM #241:	Sylph posted... s0nicfan posted... Oh fuck off. I actually bothered to read the study and educate myself on the subject, rather than just accept "my side's" arguments as doctrine. Don't pull that helping children bullshit. You know what helps? A study (small sample size) was done that showed that schizophrenia medication completely removed trans' individuals desire to be the opposite sex within a few days. Why aren't we funding a larger study to see if the results can be generalized? With a 40% suicide rate, that may be by far the best way to save lives. It's not dislike of the subject. I have no problem admitting 0.3% of the population is trans, and that's its a real condition. What I DO dislike is being told it's normal, we should celebrate it, and rather than continue to research treatment methods we should just assume the suicide rate is due entirely to social stigma (even though it doesn't go down in passing individuals) and will "go away" if we all believe hard enough. I'm sick of being told the left is the party of science while at the same time being told by the same people that we should make sweeping changes as a society when the science isn't there. I'm not accepting a side's arguments as my own. I made my own. I am a trans woman, and I went through life as a child that knew they wanted to transition from a young age. I know you can put up study after study of bullshit for your arguments. The world had to go through the same adventures when it was trying to prove that the world was not flat, or that the universe didn't revolve around it. Do you know how many random experts popped up defending those views? It took centuries for no reason. And you know what, that is what is happening now. Being trans is not inherently damaging. It doesn't disable you, and it doesn't have to reduce your quality of life. Any problems that arise are almost entirely caused by knee jerk reactions by ideologies that are intolerant of deviation from their viewpoints. Children don't hate. Hate is taught. Those children wouldn't have any problem with someone changing gender, I know because I was in elementary school and I had no trouble doing that same thing even without the teacher's help. I accept that you exist, but if you want me to believe in science, you must also accept that anecdotal evidence is never going to be more compelling than large N carefully validated studies. You can believe what you want about yourself, but your existence alone does not overcome evidence simply because you will it. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:885323698] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sylph posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Oh fuck off. I actually bothered to read the study and educate myself on the subject, rather than just accept "my side's" arguments as doctrine. Don't pull that helping children bullshit. You know what helps? A study (small sample size) was done that showed that schizophrenia medication completely removed trans' individuals desire to be the opposite sex within a few days. Why aren't we funding a larger study to see if the results can be generalized? With a 40% suicide rate, that may be by far the best way to save lives. It's not dislike of the subject. I have no problem admitting 0.3% of the population is trans, and that's its a real condition. What I DO dislike is being told it's normal, we should celebrate it, and rather than continue to research treatment methods we should just assume the suicide rate is due entirely to social stigma (even though it doesn't go down in passing individuals) and will "go away" if we all believe hard enough. I'm sick of being told the left is the party of science while at the same time being told by the same people that we should make sweeping changes as a society when the science isn't there.</quote> I'm not accepting a side's arguments as my own. I made my own. I am a trans woman, and I went through life as a child that knew they wanted to transition from a young age. I know you can put up study after study of bullshit for your arguments. The world had to go through the same adventures when it was trying to prove that the world was not flat, or that the universe didn't revolve around it. Do you know how many random experts popped up defending those views? It took centuries for no reason. And you know what, that is what is happening now. Being trans is not inherently damaging. It doesn't disable you, and it doesn't have to reduce your quality of life. Any problems that arise are almost entirely caused by knee jerk reactions by ideologies that are intolerant of deviation from their viewpoints. Children don't hate. Hate is taught. Those children wouldn't have any problem with someone changing gender, I know because I was in elementary school and I had no trouble doing that same thing even without the teacher's help.</quote> I accept that you exist, but if you want me to believe in science, you must also accept that anecdotal evidence is never going to be more compelling than large N carefully validated studies. You can believe what you want about yourself, but your existence alone does not overcome evidence simply because you will it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 08/23/17 5:49:53 PM #242:	Lol @ comparing legitimate studies to baseless claims that the earth is flat. These are the roadblocks science has to experience to keep from offending anyone. --- My name is Harpuia, one of the four Guardians of Master X and General of the Strong Air Battalion, The Rekku Army. <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:885323710] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote>Lol @ comparing legitimate studies to baseless claims that the earth is flat. These are the roadblocks science has to experience to keep from offending anyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 08/23/17 5:50:48 PM #243:	ok I know there are bigger problems with trans acceptance, but can people not use "transgenderism"? that implies transgender people are subscribing to some sort of ideology and maybe, while you're at it, don't use "transgender" as a noun - it's like referring to black people as "the blacks". dehumanizing to reduce people to one aspect of their identity --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:885323763] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote>ok I know there are bigger problems with trans acceptance, but can people not use "transgenderism"? that implies transgender people are subscribing to some sort of ideology and maybe, while you're at it, don't use "transgender" as a noun - it's like referring to black people as "the blacks". dehumanizing to reduce people to one aspect of their identity</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 08/23/17 5:51:02 PM #244:	Medussa posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians l o fucking l How about this one? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2697020/ The types of modulating influences that are known from the fields of developmental psychology and family dynamics have therapeutic implications for GID. As children with GID only rarely go on to have permanent transsexualism, irreversible physical interventions are clearly not indicated until after the individual’s psychosexual development ist complete. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:885323779] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>Medussa posted...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians l o fucking l</quote> How about this one? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2697020/ <quote>The types of modulating influences that are known from the fields of developmental psychology and family dynamics have therapeutic implications for GID. As children with GID only rarely go on to have permanent transsexualism, irreversible physical interventions are clearly not indicated until after the individual’s psychosexual development ist complete. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medz2017 08/23/17 5:51:04 PM #245:	Sylph posted... s0nicfan posted... Oh fuck off. I actually bothered to read the study and educate myself on the subject, rather than just accept "my side's" arguments as doctrine. Don't pull that helping children bullshit. You know what helps? A study (small sample size) was done that showed that schizophrenia medication completely removed trans' individuals desire to be the opposite sex within a few days. Why aren't we funding a larger study to see if the results can be generalized? With a 40% suicide rate, that may be by far the best way to save lives. It's not dislike of the subject. I have no problem admitting 0.3% of the population is trans, and that's its a real condition. What I DO dislike is being told it's normal, we should celebrate it, and rather than continue to research treatment methods we should just assume the suicide rate is due entirely to social stigma (even though it doesn't go down in passing individuals) and will "go away" if we all believe hard enough. I'm sick of being told the left is the party of science while at the same time being told by the same people that we should make sweeping changes as a society when the science isn't there. I'm not accepting a side's arguments as my own. I made my own. I am a trans woman, and I went through life as a child that knew they wanted to transition from a young age. I know you can put up study after study of bullshit for your arguments. The world had to go through the same adventures when it was trying to prove that the world was not flat, or that the universe didn't revolve around it. Do you know how many random experts popped up defending those views? It took centuries for no reason. And you know what, that is what is happening now. Being trans is not inherently damaging. It doesn't disable you, and it doesn't have to reduce your quality of life. Any problems that arise are almost entirely caused by knee jerk reactions by ideologies that are intolerant of deviation from their viewpoints. Children don't hate. Hate is taught. Those children wouldn't have any problem with someone changing gender, I know because I was in elementary school and I had no trouble doing that same thing even without the teacher's help. If they will not have a problem why teach it at such a young age? --- Hi <cite>Medz2017 posted [p:885323781] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sylph posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Oh fuck off. I actually bothered to read the study and educate myself on the subject, rather than just accept "my side's" arguments as doctrine. Don't pull that helping children bullshit. You know what helps? A study (small sample size) was done that showed that schizophrenia medication completely removed trans' individuals desire to be the opposite sex within a few days. Why aren't we funding a larger study to see if the results can be generalized? With a 40% suicide rate, that may be by far the best way to save lives. It's not dislike of the subject. I have no problem admitting 0.3% of the population is trans, and that's its a real condition. What I DO dislike is being told it's normal, we should celebrate it, and rather than continue to research treatment methods we should just assume the suicide rate is due entirely to social stigma (even though it doesn't go down in passing individuals) and will "go away" if we all believe hard enough. I'm sick of being told the left is the party of science while at the same time being told by the same people that we should make sweeping changes as a society when the science isn't there.</quote> I'm not accepting a side's arguments as my own. I made my own. I am a trans woman, and I went through life as a child that knew they wanted to transition from a young age. I know you can put up study after study of bullshit for your arguments. The world had to go through the same adventures when it was trying to prove that the world was not flat, or that the universe didn't revolve around it. Do you know how many random experts popped up defending those views? It took centuries for no reason. And you know what, that is what is happening now. Being trans is not inherently damaging. It doesn't disable you, and it doesn't have to reduce your quality of life. Any problems that arise are almost entirely caused by knee jerk reactions by ideologies that are intolerant of deviation from their viewpoints. Children don't hate. Hate is taught. Those children wouldn't have any problem with someone changing gender, I know because I was in elementary school and I had no trouble doing that same thing even without the teacher's help.</quote> If they will not have a problem why teach it at such a young age?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 08/23/17 5:52:42 PM #246:	s0nicfan posted... I accept that you exist, but if you want me to believe in science, you must also accept that anecdotal evidence is never going to be more compelling than large N carefully validated studies. You can believe what you want about yourself, but your existence alone does not overcome evidence simply because you will it. what studies are you referring to, and what specifically about her lived experience do they contradict? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:885323859] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>I accept that you exist, but if you want me to believe in science, you must also accept that anecdotal evidence is never going to be more compelling than large N carefully validated studies. You can believe what you want about yourself, but your existence alone does not overcome evidence simply because you will it.</quote> what studies are you referring to, and what specifically about her lived experience do they contradict?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YookaLaylee 08/23/17 5:52:57 PM #247:	If that teacher gets fired I think it's justified --- https://media.giphy.com/media/26gsuNHaqCPgziZYA/giphy.gif <cite>YookaLaylee posted [p:885323869] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote>If that teacher gets fired I think it's justified</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sylph 08/23/17 5:56:28 PM #249:	Medz2017 posted... If they will not have a problem why teach it at such a young age? Oh that one is easy. It is because that openness and willingness to accept and think about things is a thing that children lose as they get older through indoctrination. If you don't expose your children to things when they are young enough to form their own ideas about it, then the only ideas they end up having are the ones taught to them. --- ZSB: We look so much better in a dress than you. I wouldn't mind being alone if I could stand my own company. <cite>Sylph posted [p:885324070] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>Medz2017 posted...</cite> <quote>If they will not have a problem why teach it at such a young age?</quote> Oh that one is easy. It is because that openness and willingness to accept and think about things is a thing that children lose as they get older through indoctrination. If you don't expose your children to things when they are young enough to form their own ideas about it, then the only ideas they end up having are the ones taught to them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 08/23/17 5:56:49 PM #250:	Tmk posted... At odds with reality. Transgender is at odds with reality huh? Lemme ask you something: what are you? Are you your body, or, are you your brain? Why is it, if the body and the brain disagree on what the person is, some people think the body takes precedence. Am I talking to hands right now, or, am I talking to a brain, a mind? If you believe in it, a soul? Because sometimes the brain is damaged or otherwise malfunctioning. That's why we so often treat people with mental issues. Sometimes it's therapy or medication. Look, we have people with Body Integrity Identity Disorder who feel disphoric because their brains think they shouldn't have that arm or leg. Should that be less acceptable than people with Gender Disphoria who's brains feel like they shouldn't have that penis or vagina? If altering the body through hormone therapy and surgery is the only method of treatment we currently have to keep them from killing themselves, fine. But I think we should keep researching the condition for ways to treat the root cause in their brains, rather than just throw up our hands and pretend they're as normal as anyone else. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac <cite>Esrac posted [p:885324088] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmk posted...</cite> <quote>At odds with reality. Transgender is at odds with reality huh? Lemme ask you something: what are you? Are you your body, or, are you your brain? Why is it, if the body and the brain disagree on what the person is, some people think the body takes precedence. Am I talking to hands right now, or, am I talking to a brain, a mind? If you believe in it, a soul?</quote> Because sometimes the brain is damaged or otherwise malfunctioning. That's why we so often treat people with mental issues. Sometimes it's therapy or medication. Look, we have people with Body Integrity Identity Disorder who feel disphoric because their brains think they shouldn't have that arm or leg. Should that be less acceptable than people with Gender Disphoria who's brains feel like they shouldn't have that penis or vagina? If altering the body through hormone therapy and surgery is the only method of treatment we currently have to keep them from killing themselves, fine. But I think we should keep researching the condition for ways to treat the root cause in their brains, rather than just throw up our hands and pretend they're as normal as anyone else.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 08/23/17 5:57:05 PM #251:	averagejoel posted... s0nicfan posted... I accept that you exist, but if you want me to believe in science, you must also accept that anecdotal evidence is never going to be more compelling than large N carefully validated studies. You can believe what you want about yourself, but your existence alone does not overcome evidence simply because you will it. what studies are you referring to, and what specifically about her lived experience do they contradict? I was referring to studies that show that a mtf brain is objectively not the same as a woman's brain, as well as the study that showed (again, small sample size) that schizophrenia medication completely eliminates a person's desire to transition. I also alluded to the 40% suicide rate, of which there are many studies, and which still stays an order of magnitude above the national average even if only looking at "passing" individuals. As for her lived experiences, her telling me that she is a woman because she says so contradicts the evidence. Her personal experience having a good transition is also not evidence that the 40% suicide rate would go away if we all just "accepted it" and it certainly doesn't turn valid science into flat earth nonsense. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:885324102] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>I accept that you exist, but if you want me to believe in science, you must also accept that anecdotal evidence is never going to be more compelling than large N carefully validated studies. You can believe what you want about yourself, but your existence alone does not overcome evidence simply because you will it.</quote> what studies are you referring to, and what specifically about her lived experience do they contradict?</quote> I was referring to studies that show that a mtf brain is objectively not the same as a woman's brain, as well as the study that showed (again, small sample size) that schizophrenia medication completely eliminates a person's desire to transition. I also alluded to the 40% suicide rate, of which there are many studies, and which still stays an order of magnitude above the national average even if only looking at "passing" individuals. As for her lived experiences, her telling me that she is a woman because she says so contradicts the evidence. Her personal experience having a good transition is also not evidence that the 40% suicide rate would go away if we all just "accepted it" and it certainly doesn't turn valid science into flat earth nonsense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glass_Phantom 08/23/17 5:59:34 PM #252:	s0nicfan posted... Medussa posted... darkjedilink posted... It's literally wrong to say 'boy body, girl brain.' And kids aren't trans, since almost every case of dysmorphia goes away after puberty ends. still waiting for you to (even attempt to) prove that assertion. I'll do it for him: https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-dysphoria-in-children The American College of Pediatricians isn't a scientific journal. It's a conservative advocacy group with a scientific-sounding name. Nothing about the paper you just linked appears to be peer-reviewed or predicated on science. Rather, it has a veneer of "science-ness" insofar as its presentation, and you're relying on that to prop up your phony assertions. Other views advocated by the "scientific" American College of Pediatricians: - Children should not be adopted by same-sex couples. - Children should not be exposed to electronic media. - Children should be spanked. - Abortion is wrong. - Euthanasia is wrong. - Support for abstinence until marriage sex education. Source: https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements <cite>Glass_Phantom posted [p:885324242] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Medussa posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>It's literally wrong to say 'boy body, girl brain.' And kids aren't trans, since almost every case of dysmorphia goes away after puberty ends.</quote> still waiting for you to (even attempt to) prove that assertion.</quote> I'll do it for him: https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-dysphoria-in-children</quote> The American College of Pediatricians isn't a scientific journal. It's a conservative advocacy group with a scientific-sounding name. Nothing about the paper you just linked appears to be peer-reviewed or predicated on science. Rather, it has a veneer of "science-ness" insofar as its presentation, and you're relying on that to prop up your phony assertions. Other views advocated by the "scientific" American College of Pediatricians: - Children should not be adopted by same-sex couples. - Children should not be exposed to electronic media. - Children should be spanked. - Abortion is wrong. - Euthanasia is wrong. - Support for abstinence until marriage sex education. Source: https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 08/23/17 6:00:47 PM #253:	Glass_Phantom posted... The American College of Pediatricians isn't a scientific journal I realized that mistake when someone else pointed it out. I then provided evidence from another source that comes to the same conclusion: s0nicfan posted... How about this one? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2697020/ The types of modulating influences that are known from the fields of developmental psychology and family dynamics have therapeutic implications for GID. As children with GID only rarely go on to have permanent transsexualism, irreversible physical interventions are clearly not indicated until after the individual’s psychosexual development ist complete. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:885324311] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>Glass_Phantom posted...</cite> <quote>The American College of Pediatricians isn't a scientific journal</quote> I realized that mistake when someone else pointed it out. I then provided evidence from another source that comes to the same conclusion: <cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>How about this one? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2697020/ <quote>The types of modulating influences that are known from the fields of developmental psychology and family dynamics have therapeutic implications for GID. As children with GID only rarely go on to have permanent transsexualism, irreversible physical interventions are clearly not indicated until after the individual’s psychosexual development ist complete. </quote></quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medz2017 08/23/17 6:01:00 PM #254:	Sylph posted... Medz2017 posted... If they will not have a problem why teach it at such a young age? Oh that one is easy. It is because that openness and willingness to accept and think about things is a thing that children lose as they get older through indoctrination. If you don't expose your children to things when they are young enough to form their own ideas about it, then the only ideas they end up having are the ones taught to them. Sex included? --- Hi <cite>Medz2017 posted [p:885324324] in Kindergart... [t:75700605]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sylph posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Medz2017 posted...</cite> <quote>If they will not have a problem why teach it at such a young age?</quote> Oh that one is easy. It is because that openness and willingness to accept and think about things is a thing that children lose as they get older through indoctrination. If you don't expose your children to things when they are young enough to form their own ideas about it, then the only ideas they end up having are the ones taught to them.</quote> Sex included?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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