Current Events > Kindergarten girl went home crying and scared she might turn into a boy

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averagejoel posted...

s0nicfan posted...

averagejoel posted...

my daughter, Pumice, says she worries that adults often pretend their kids said things in order to add an emotional appeal to otherwise nonexistent points

Your daughter may be stoned

whoosh

whoosh
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Callixtus posted...

Medussa posted...

Sir Will posted...

Callixtus posted...

Also it is probably inaccurate to say that a 5 year old in the class was transgender. Children that young are still developing, and the vast majority of questioning children at that age grow out of it and identify with their birth sex.

For the time being that is what they'd be considered. If it changes then fine.

the "the majority grow out of it" meme is because of some shitty research by a biased asshole. He grouped every child that showed any bit of gender-nonconformity, then tried to draw conclusions about trans people in particular from them. it's a textbook example of warping statistics to fit a narrative.

There are many instances in the media already of parents with children around 4 or 5 years old, who have expressed some mild gender confusion, and then the parents go completely overboard and start to call their child by the opposite gender pronouns and forcing them to act like the opposite gender, when there is no reason to believe that child is actually going to grow up as a transgender person.

[citation needed]
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LordMarshal posted...

My daughter wants to be a ninja. Classes will be expensive but shell be a badass. Il start her transition.

why do they not teach it in schools? that is transninja
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Tmk posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Ya, and yet you still can't realize I don't have a problem with the topic at hand period which is why I never said anything outright against it.

Well you're just pooping up the topic then for your own issues. Poor show.

So you still can't argue the stance you stated you believe and you won't concede it was a stupid post.

Instead you've done every single thing you've complained about since my first post towards you. You avoid the content and attack the user..

Well, since this is all you have there's no use continuing on. Keep your terribly biased opinion you can't even defend lol.
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Fire the teacher?

Absolutely. Kindergarten is where you learn basic reading and math skills, not discuss complex and highly controversial social issues that they shouldn't even be exposed to until middle school.
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and if we needed any more proof of TCs intentions, there it is.
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Medz2017 posted...

LordMarshal posted...

My daughter wants to be a ninja. Classes will be expensive but shell be a badass. Il start her transition.

why do they not teach it in schools? that is transninja

Ninja, please!
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Medussa posted...

and if we needed any more proof of TCs intentions, there it is.

Just like transgender lessons ninja lessons should not be taught to kindergartens in public schools.
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Medz2017 posted...

Medussa posted...

and if we needed any more proof of TCs intentions, there it is.

Just like transgender lessons ninja lessons should not be taught to kindergartens in public schools.

They wouldn't have to be if parents actually did parenting.
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Sylph posted...

Medz2017 posted...

Medussa posted...

and if we needed any more proof of TCs intentions, there it is.

Just like transgender lessons ninja lessons should not be taught to kindergartens in public schools.

They wouldn't have to be if parents actually did parenting.

"Son, you were born with a katana, you are and always will be a ninja."
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So now that the sex ed thing failed, now it's about ninja. Next it'll be the tried and stupid "attack helicopter" angle I'm sure.

Nothing screams "I am grossly uninformed about transgender topics and nothing I say is worth anything on such matters" quite like that stuff.
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SageHarpuia posted...

Sylph posted...

Medz2017 posted...

Medussa posted...

and if we needed any more proof of TCs intentions, there it is.

Just like transgender lessons ninja lessons should not be taught to kindergartens in public schools.

They wouldn't have to be if parents actually did parenting.

"Son, you were born with a katana, you are and always will be a ninja."

I dont wanna be a ninja
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Medussa posted...

Callixtus posted...

Medussa posted...

Sir Will posted...

Callixtus posted...

Also it is probably inaccurate to say that a 5 year old in the class was transgender. Children that young are still developing, and the vast majority of questioning children at that age grow out of it and identify with their birth sex.

For the time being that is what they'd be considered. If it changes then fine.

the "the majority grow out of it" meme is because of some shitty research by a biased asshole. He grouped every child that showed any bit of gender-nonconformity, then tried to draw conclusions about trans people in particular from them. it's a textbook example of warping statistics to fit a narrative.

There are many instances in the media already of parents with children around 4 or 5 years old, who have expressed some mild gender confusion, and then the parents go completely overboard and start to call their child by the opposite gender pronouns and forcing them to act like the opposite gender, when there is no reason to believe that child is actually going to grow up as a transgender person.

[citation needed]

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/transgender-kids/jacobs-journey-life-transgender-5-year-old-n345131
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/family/transgender-children-my-son-told-me-he-was-a-girl/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3683633/It-worth-risk-Parents-six-year-old-transgender-boy-defend-decision-speak-publicly-son-s-transition-one-year-sharing-story.html
https://newsone.com/2016545/transgender-surgery/

Here's one where the mom forced it and actually lost her child because of it:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/oct/21/boy-living-life-as-girl-removed-from-mothers-care-high-court-judge
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Tmk posted...

So now that the sex ed thing failed, now it's about ninja. Next it'll be the tried and stupid "attack helicopter" angle I'm sure.

Nothing screams "I am grossly uninformed about transgender topics and nothing I say is worth anything on such matters" quite like that stuff.

Should sex ed be taught in kindergarten because young kids do not understand it?
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Medz2017 posted...

Should sex ed be taught in kindergarten because young kids do not understand it?

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75700605/885310511
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Tmk posted...

Medz2017 posted...

Should sex ed be taught in kindergarten because young kids do not understand it?

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75700605/885310511

a link to this topic should be taught in schools?
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Medz2017 posted...

Should sex ed be taught in kindergarten because young kids do not understand it?

Oh. Are you confused on how to make a new topic to ask new things? That's weird, you managed to make this topic. Want me to make one for you and link you to it so you can get your question answered?
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Can't believe this happened. WACK!!
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Well this got incredibly stupid. I guess the discussion, such as it was, has concluded.
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Tmk posted...

So now that the sex ed thing failed, now it's about ninja. Next it'll be the tried and stupid "attack helicopter" angle I'm sure.

Nothing screams "I am grossly uninformed about transgender topics and nothing I say is worth anything on such matters" quite like that stuff.

Nothing says "I support child abuse" like your chain of posts...

/S sorta
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Well, I think things wrapped up fairly well.
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Sylph posted...

Medz2017 posted...

Should sex ed be taught in kindergarten because young kids do not understand it?

Oh. Are you confused on how to make a new topic to ask new things? That's weird, you managed to make this topic. Want me to make one for you and link you to it so you can get your question answered?

sure
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Sylph posted...

Medz2017 posted...

Should sex ed be taught in kindergarten because young kids do not understand it?

Oh. Are you confused on how to make a new topic to ask new things? That's weird, you managed to make this topic. Want me to make one for you and link you to it so you can get your question answered?

I don't see how they're that different.

They're actually quite related and both should be discussed together.

Only a fucking fool would say kindergartener is too young for sex ed but not transgenderism with a straight face.

Implement them both or don't implement either.
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Tmk posted...

Well, I think things wrapped up fairly well.

so she should get fired?
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I appreciate the opposing side so proudly wearing their ineptitude at arguing their stance on their sleeve.
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Tmk posted...

I appreciate the opposing side so proudly wearing their ineptitude at arguing their stance on their sleeve.

Ya that means nothing coming from the king of avoidance.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Well, since this is all you have there's no use continuing on.

And then he made like 3 more posts already continuing it.

LOL
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Caption from the book the teacher read to the students:

"I have a girl brain but a boy body. This is called transgender. I was born this way!"

Again, that is called promotion.
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You're cancer dude. You're the embodiement of everything wrong with discussions on the internet.

Fuck it I'll just label you child abuse supporter and be done with it. You've never once denied it so at this point I'm gonna assume it's close to the mark.
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Sir Will posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Sir Will posted...

Mr_MacPhisto posted...

Transgenderism in children is wrong. PERIOD.

No. It's a thing whether you like it or not. And forcing them into an identity that's not theirs is deadly.

Literally not a thing. Gender dysphoria doesn't become a thing until adulthood.

Never mind that kids don't understand gender in the first place.

That is demonstrably wrong.

Not according to science.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

You're cancer dude. You're the embodiement of everything wrong with discussions on the internet.

Fuck it I'll just label you child abuse supporter and be done with it. You've never once denied it so at this point I'm gonna assume it's close to the mark.

http://www.rowsdowr.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/robocop.gif
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Tmk posted...

I appreciate the opposing side so proudly wearing their ineptitude at arguing their stance on their sleeve.

I appreciate both sides of the debate. Good discussion.
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Medz2017 posted...

I appreciate both sides of the debate. Good discussion.

I appreciate that bunnies exist.
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Callixtus posted...

Caption from the book the teacher read to the students:

"I have a girl brain but a boy body. This is called transgender. I was born this way!"

Again, that is called promotion.

Leave it up to the parents to brainwash
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would it be fair to teach both XY is boy and XX is girl as well?
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The problem is that "girl brain in a boy body" line, since we're talking about "settled science", is objectively false. fMRI studies were done (I think mayo clinic) where they showed they can clearly differentiate between a male and female brain in fMRI scans, but transperson's brains did not map to the brain patterns of their claimed gender.
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

One parent said the impact on her son was extremely positive.

"It was so precious to see that he had absolutely no prejudice in his body. My child just went in there and listened to the story, and didn't relate it to anything malicious, or didn't question his own body," she said.

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s0nicfan posted...

The problem is that "girl brain in a boy body" line, since we're talking about "settled science", is objectively false. fMRI studies were done (I think mayo clinic) where they showed they can clearly differentiate between a male and female brain in fMRI scans, but transperson's brains did not map to the brain patterns of their claimed gender.

Would it be appropriate to teach that in Kindergarten?
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Medz2017 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

The problem is that "girl brain in a boy body" line, since we're talking about "settled science", is objectively false. fMRI studies were done (I think mayo clinic) where they showed they can clearly differentiate between a male and female brain in fMRI scans, but transperson's brains did not map to the brain patterns of their claimed gender.

Would it be appropriate to teach that in Kindergarten?

Moreso than use an objectively wrong analogy to convince them it's normal.
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s0nicfan posted...

The problem is that "girl brain in a boy body" line, since we're talking about "settled science", is objectively false. fMRI studies were done (I think mayo clinic) where they showed they can clearly differentiate between a male and female brain in fMRI scans, but transperson's brains did not map to the brain patterns of their claimed gender.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/

What?
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The Deadpool posted...

s0nicfan posted...

The problem is that "girl brain in a boy body" line, since we're talking about "settled science", is objectively false. fMRI studies were done (I think mayo clinic) where they showed they can clearly differentiate between a male and female brain in fMRI scans, but transperson's brains did not map to the brain patterns of their claimed gender.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/

What?

You should check out the actual study and not the various articles trying to spin the results. The study found that the trans brains were in fact different than the average for their birth sex, but still NOT a match for the opposite sex. They took "different from their birth sex" and spun it as "a trans person has the brain of the other sex. Settled science" and ran with it.

EDIT: Here's the actual study Scientific American was writing about:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022395610003250

Results
MtF transsexuals differed from both male and female controls bilaterally in the superior longitudinal fasciculus, the right anterior cingulum, the right forceps minor, and the right corticospinal tract.

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s0nicfan posted...

The Deadpool posted...

s0nicfan posted...

The problem is that "girl brain in a boy body" line, since we're talking about "settled science", is objectively false. fMRI studies were done (I think mayo clinic) where they showed they can clearly differentiate between a male and female brain in fMRI scans, but transperson's brains did not map to the brain patterns of their claimed gender.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/

What?

You should check out the actual study and not the various articles trying to spin the results. The study found that the trans brains were in fact different than the average for their birth sex, but still NOT a match for the opposite sex. They took "different from their birth sex" and spun it as "a trans person has the brain of the other sex. Settled science" and ran with it.

Teaching facts not opinions shoulds like a good idea.
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I'm shocked that someone would spin science for an ideological purpose. Shocked.
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Callixtus posted...

Sayoria posted...

Callixtus posted...

Society can and should work against promoting transgenderism.

And you know what would happen? More violence towards us. Your comment here is probably the worst idea I've ever heard. We don't choose to be who we are. We just are. Having society against us does nothing but encourages violence and suicide. Just accept us. Why is this so fucking hard?

Another strawman argument.

I've already said we should tolerate transgenderism, and love transgender people. But we should not be promoting it. I know this is too subtle a point for many people on CE to understand.

We should punish bullies and arrest people who harass or assault transgender people, and ultimately preach a message of tolerance. That is as far as I go. I do not go as far as waving a rainbow flag and calling anyone who doesn't want their child exposed to left wing cultural Marxism a bigot. It is not bigoted to not want your child to suffer from what I believe is a disorder nor to wish to see a disorder promoted.

How is bringing awareness promoting it?
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Sayoria posted...

How is bringing awareness promoting it?

There's a difference between "transgenderism is a thing some people are" and "transgenderism is a mental disorder that effects roughly 0.3% of the population"
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Some of yall are fucking insane
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s0nicfan posted...

Sayoria posted...

How is bringing awareness promoting it?

There's a difference between "transgenderism is a thing some people are" and "transgenderism is a mental disorder that effects roughly 0.3% of the population"

That's still not forcing dresses onto boys and buzzcuts onto girls. It's still a true fact and the statistical approach wouldn't work for youth of that age.
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Sayoria posted...

Callixtus posted...

Sayoria posted...

Callixtus posted...

Society can and should work against promoting transgenderism.

And you know what would happen? More violence towards us. Your comment here is probably the worst idea I've ever heard. We don't choose to be who we are. We just are. Having society against us does nothing but encourages violence and suicide. Just accept us. Why is this so fucking hard?

Another strawman argument.

I've already said we should tolerate transgenderism, and love transgender people. But we should not be promoting it. I know this is too subtle a point for many people on CE to understand.

We should punish bullies and arrest people who harass or assault transgender people, and ultimately preach a message of tolerance. That is as far as I go. I do not go as far as waving a rainbow flag and calling anyone who doesn't want their child exposed to left wing cultural Marxism a bigot. It is not bigoted to not want your child to suffer from what I believe is a disorder nor to wish to see a disorder promoted.

How is bringing awareness promoting it?

Anything can be promoted by bringing awareness. I can bring awareness to a charity by telling you about it and promote it by asking you to donate to said charity.
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Sayoria posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Sayoria posted...

How is bringing awareness promoting it?

There's a difference between "transgenderism is a thing some people are" and "transgenderism is a mental disorder that effects roughly 0.3% of the population"

That's still not forcing dresses onto boys and buzzcuts onto girls. It's still a true fact and the statistical approach wouldn't work for youth of that age.

I think the argument is that most things don't work at that age...
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Sayoria posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Sayoria posted...

How is bringing awareness promoting it?

There's a difference between "transgenderism is a thing some people are" and "transgenderism is a mental disorder that effects roughly 0.3% of the population"

That's still not forcing dresses onto boys and buzzcuts onto girls. It's still a true fact and the statistical approach wouldn't work for youth of that age.

You asked what the difference was between awareness and promotion. Forcing dresses onto boys isn't either of those things, and you're nitpicking my semantics. You understand the point I'm trying to make, which is the surrounding context matters when you teach something.
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