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Johnbobb 09/16/17 1:24:27 AM #166: |
http://mercsfilmandtv.pbworks.com/w/page/120263088/Jack%20Spicer
Jack Spicer and Wuya (Xiaolin Showdown) Part of me feels like he should have another starting ability, but I don't really think he needs it. --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ http://i.imgur.com/sRNNOSP.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Johnbobb 09/16/17 1:56:48 PM #167: |
For the hell of it, organizing the characters by genre:
Action: Dominic Toretto El Blanco Eric Draven Indiana Jones Jim West John McClane John Rambo John Wick Max Paul Serone Power Rangers Predator Rick Grimes Tommy Oliver Westley American Animation: Aang Baman and Piderman Beast Boy Courage the Cowardly Dog Danny Phantom Ed, Edd n Eddy EVE Gaston He Man HIM Samurai Jack Jackie Chan Jack Spicer Jafar Mr. Incredible Mulan Po Powerpuff Girls Rick Sanchez Scrooge McDuck Shrek Static Sterling Archer Stitch Syndrome Toph Beifong Anime: Arataka Reigen Ash's Pikachu Blue Eyes White Dragon Dark Magician DIO Eren Yeager Genos Guts Joey Wheeler Joseph Joestar Lucy Mikasa Ackerman Mr. Satan Mumen Rider Natsuki Subaru Puri-Puri Prisoner Revy and Rock Rika Furude Sasuke Uchiha Seto Kaiba Usopp Walter von Schenkopp Yoshikage Kira Yugi Mutou Comedy: Chuck Bartowski Killer Rabbit Orgazmo Ralph Hinkley Drama: Dexter Dr. Gregory House Olivia Moore Fantasy: Albus Dumbledore Big Man Japan Daenerys and Drogon Gregor Clegane Jareth Jon Snow King Kong Lord Voldemort Tom Bombadil Willow Ufgood Horror: Ash Williams Carrie White Chucky Cujo Erin Ghostface Hannibal Lecter Happy Toyz Truck Jacob Goodnight Jason Voorhees John Kramer Mr. Babadook Nix Patrick Bateman Pinhead Samara Morgan Stripe The Birds The Blair Witch The Cloverfield Monster The Creeper The Facility Monsters The Thing Xenomorph Martial Arts: Ricky Ho Sing The Bride Other: Alton Brown Grand Dad Gunnery Sgt Hartman Hulk Hogan Joel, Mike, Crow and Tom Servo Kool-Aid Man Rocky Balboa Samuel L. Jackson The New Day Sci-Fi: Andrew Detmer Demogorgon Dr. Horrible Emperor Palpatine Gipsy Danger Jobe Mechagodzilla Neo R2-D2 Raptors Sam Beckett Sonny T-800 Wikus van de Merwe Superhero: Colossus Daredevil Darkman Deadpool General Zod Harley Quinn Iceman Juggernaut Luke Cage The Cape The Joker The Punisher Thor Wilson Fisk Wolverine --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ http://i.imgur.com/sRNNOSP.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeathChicken 09/16/17 1:58:48 PM #168: |
Big shocker I'm responsible for 2/3rds of the horror mercs
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Lopen 09/16/17 1:59:18 PM #169: |
The more I read these merc suggestions the more I think the top of the power curve should be like the terminator. Basically stuff that you could imagine a peak human with the right resources available killing
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Johnbobb 09/16/17 1:59:58 PM #170: |
DeathChicken posted...
Big shocker I'm responsible for 2/3rds of the horror mercs That's kind of where I am with the American Animation mercs --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ http://i.imgur.com/sRNNOSP.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Johnbobb 09/16/17 2:01:32 PM #171: |
Lopen posted...
The more I read these merc suggestions the more I think the top of the power curve should be like the terminator. Basically stuff that you could imagine a peak human with the right resources available killing I mean I don't necessarily think it's less interesting than Dante v. Bayonetta (personally, yeah, Zod v. Thor doesn't thrill me but I think Thor v. a Powerpuff Girl or Cloverfield Monster v. Gipsy Danger would be a lot of fun) --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ http://i.imgur.com/sRNNOSP.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeathChicken 09/16/17 2:03:30 PM #172: |
I can't picture Thor taking that fight remotely seriously until he's getting beaten up. Powerpuff Girl I mean
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Johnbobb 09/16/17 2:08:57 PM #173: |
Which gives the Powerpuff the upper hand!
Powerpuff clobbers him imo --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ http://i.imgur.com/sRNNOSP.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 09/16/17 2:10:27 PM #174: |
Dante vs Bayonetta is actually a lot more appealing to me. I feel like both of them have clearly defined strengths and weaknesses over the other despite both being ridiculous.
A lot of these high tier guys don't really feel like they're on a tier of strengths/weaknesses and it's sorta just a parameter off where you find the 7 who has slightly higher params than all the rest. Thor vs a Powerpuff Girl is funny though. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GANON1025 09/16/17 2:17:10 PM #175: |
It would be theoretically interesting to run a TV/Movie mercs game with none of the 6+ upkeep mercs in it.
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Corrik 09/16/17 2:19:32 PM #176: |
Lopen posted...
Dante vs Bayonetta is actually a lot more appealing to me. I feel like both of them have clearly defined strengths and weaknesses over the other despite both being ridiculous. Except it is not because everyone would vote Dante overwhelmingly regardless because more played Devil May Cry vs Bayonetta. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 09/16/17 2:20:22 PM #177: |
Actually Bayonetta won the 1v1 they had in M4
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Johnbobb 09/16/17 2:24:05 PM #178: |
Lopen posted...
Dante vs Bayonetta is actually a lot more appealing to me. I feel like both of them have clearly defined strengths and weaknesses over the other despite both being ridiculous. I'd argue that's only potentially an issue with the 7/weeks though. Most of the 6/weeks are powerful but still have very clearly defined weaknesses (Stitch gets owned by water, Dumbledore/Voldemort are glass cannons, Eren Yeager is overwhelmed by groups, Wolverine has limited range and strength, etc.). The only 6s I worry about ideally are Genos and Neo, who both tip a little too close to 7s --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ http://i.imgur.com/sRNNOSP.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 09/16/17 2:24:38 PM #179: |
You do know that Thor would beat Superman right?
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Lopen 09/16/17 2:25:18 PM #180: |
Neo is pretty much the highest tier of combatant I find interesting to discuss in a mercs context yeah
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Lopen 09/16/17 2:30:59 PM #181: |
Like that's not to say that Thor vs General Zod in and of itself couldn't be an interesting discussion one time
But you do it again, because teams in mercs often fight multiple times And then you throw say a buncha 6s and 5s on either side and literally none of them can do anything to Thor or Zod without ability nerfing, so it just boils down to Thor vs Zod again. That kinda upper level just isn't fit for mercs, doubly so when you consider TV and Movies don't really have much in the way of buffs or well defined mechanics, stuff like that. Neo I could at least humor that maybe were he were tied up in a battle with Agent Smith that John Wick could have an impact on that fight by landing some bullets on him while he's distracted. General Zod just completely ignores him though. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeathChicken 09/16/17 2:34:26 PM #182: |
Movie Thor gets the shit kicked out of him by Ultron. Unless you think Superman vs Ultron is a debatable fight...
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Lopen 09/16/17 2:36:26 PM #183: |
The result of Thor vs Zod is pretty irrelevant to the gist of what I'm saying regardless. If Zod stomps the snot out of him then that just makes them both being 7s even more dumb.
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DeathChicken 09/16/17 2:38:22 PM #184: |
That was more directed at Corrik and the stuff about Thor smoking Superman
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Johnbobb 09/16/17 2:39:24 PM #185: |
Lopen posted...
Neo I could at least humor that maybe were he were tied up in a battle with Agent Smith that John Wick could have an impact on that fight by landing some bullets on him while he's distracted. I mean I don't know why you'd be rostering John Wick in high tier imo like I do think 6/weeks could still hurt the 7s. Like seeing Thor trying to deal with a Stitch crawling on him would be hilarious imo I DO think that in tv/movie mercs the power difference is big enough that high->mid paydowns probably shouldn't be a thing --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ http://i.imgur.com/sRNNOSP.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 09/16/17 2:40:03 PM #186: |
DeathChicken posted...
Movie Thor gets the shit kicked out of him by Ultron. Unless you think Superman vs Ultron is a debatable fight... I am going from memory, but I believe this is incorrect. I believe at the end of the movie that multiple avengers were taking out masses of Ultrons like they were fodder and Thor even might have took out a shit load with his lightning. Kryptonians weak to magic. Thor has magical powers. Has just as much durability. Has just as much speed, power (moreso). Thor should stomp Zod whether in suit or not. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Johnbobb 09/16/17 2:43:32 PM #187: |
ew I need to stop saying imo so much imo
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Lopen 09/16/17 2:45:45 PM #188: |
Johnbobb posted...
I mean I don't know why you'd be rostering John Wick in high tier imo Sure I just wanted to have Keanu Reeves fighting Keanu Reeves for humor's sake But I mean you could go as high as you need and it generally applies. Like 5/weeks aren't influencing that fight either. Arguably Neo isn't really contributing anything in Zod vs Thor, and he's a 6. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 09/16/17 2:46:15 PM #189: |
Lopen posted...
Johnbobb posted...I mean I don't know why you'd be rostering John Wick in high tier imo Neo is absolute fodder in that scenario. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FFDragon 09/16/17 2:46:46 PM #190: |
no arguably
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Corrik 09/16/17 2:47:45 PM #191: |
That's why I kind of mentioned before that Superman would have to be like a 9. Wonderwoman like an 8. and so on. Some of these characters are so ridiculously overpowered to the rest that it is laughable.
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Corrik 09/16/17 2:48:38 PM #192: |
Thor's main weakness is his intelligence... which Superman's is basically on the same page of.
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DeathChicken 09/16/17 2:48:46 PM #193: |
Now Voldemort could probably influence things since who knows what the hell you need to survive Avada Kedavra besides plot intervention. His problem is anything at all from a high tier is going to maul him, but that becomes less of an issue if whoever he's fighting is occupied
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Johnbobb 09/16/17 3:06:03 PM #194: |
So rules I'm thinking if TV/Movie Mercs happens for real
1. Only one 7/week per team 2. No buy downs 3. Maybe make 7/weeks take up two spots even in high tier? --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ http://i.imgur.com/sRNNOSP.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 09/16/17 3:08:40 PM #195: |
Johnbobb posted...
So rules I'm thinking if TV/Movie Mercs happens for real It doesn't matter how many spots they take up is kind of what Lopen was getting at. They solo everything basically. There are 7s that solo whole groups of 6s. Thor can solo a whole group of 6s. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FFDragon 09/16/17 3:12:30 PM #196: |
Yeah the power gap is too much with these kinds of characters with very little in the way of buffs/healing to mitigate things. 7+s will demolish everything below them moreso than any other.
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Johnbobb 09/16/17 3:15:19 PM #197: |
I mean, I just don't really agree with that. I think there are quite a few 6s that could do serious damage to the 7s individually, and I think a group of 3 6s could take down most 7s
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Johnbobb 09/16/17 3:16:08 PM #198: |
But what would your suggestions be as far as dealing with the power gap?
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Corrik 09/16/17 3:24:25 PM #199: |
Johnbobb posted...
But what would your suggestions be as far as dealing with the power gap? Ban all super heros probably. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeathChicken 09/16/17 3:37:53 PM #200: |
That would pretty dumb to ban like, Daredevil because Thor is really good
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Johnbobb 09/16/17 3:38:23 PM #201: |
Corrik posted...
Johnbobb posted...But what would your suggestions be as far as dealing with the power gap? ... Johnbobb posted... Superhero: Literally only Zod and Thor are 7/weeks out of those. Do you mean just ban Zod and Thor? Are they that much worse than Cloverfield Monster or Gipsy Danger? --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ http://i.imgur.com/sRNNOSP.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 09/16/17 3:40:53 PM #202: |
Deadpool and Wolverine outright decimate most the field.
You could argue a lot of them are okay beyond those 2 on the list. (in addition to the 7s) Perhaps... ban all above street level super heros it should have been worded. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Johnbobb 09/16/17 3:43:08 PM #203: |
Corrik posted...
Deadpool and Wolverine outright decimate most the field. ...No? Deadpool loses to most 6/weeks, and Wolverine is fucked by any magic users or anyone that can keep him at a distance --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ http://i.imgur.com/sRNNOSP.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GANON1025 09/16/17 3:43:18 PM #204: |
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Corrik 09/16/17 3:45:02 PM #205: |
Johnbobb posted...
Corrik posted...Deadpool and Wolverine outright decimate most the field. Deadpool isn't even like killable based on his movie. Wolverine has to have strong nerfs and hard counters to his build to not be unbeatable (which to be fair I think you did nerf him in his build) And, no I don't really think Magic is a hard counter to him outright. Dr Strange is probably okay though. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Johnbobb 09/16/17 3:49:36 PM #206: |
Corrik posted...
Deadpool isn't even like killable based on his movie. Honestly his regeneration is pretty slow in the film like So I mean, if someone can like blow him up, or even just chop off his head and kick it off into the distance, I'd say he's pretty much KO'd as far as the match is concerned (even if technically he might be able to regrow himself a week later) --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ http://i.imgur.com/sRNNOSP.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Johnbobb 09/16/17 3:51:38 PM #207: |
I think that applies to all mercs in general
Some might have harder times technically dying than others, but if a merc is the last on their team and they're rendered unable to fight any longer, it's still a victory for the other team. --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ http://i.imgur.com/sRNNOSP.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeathChicken 09/16/17 3:53:02 PM #208: |
I maintain that Wolverine is way the hell overblown given all the times he's knocked out by relatively piddly things like guns
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Johnbobb 09/16/17 3:56:32 PM #209: |
Still curious if there's any more suggestions as to how to deal with the 7/weeks. Nerf suggestions? Are there some that are too OP compared to others? (really the only complaints I've seen have been about Thor and Zod, not so much the giant monsters). Maybe make 7/weeks take 3 slots?
Also curious, on an unrelated note, who among the upper tier do you think could survive an Avada Kedavra (either with defense tactics or somehow tanking it)? --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ http://i.imgur.com/sRNNOSP.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 09/16/17 3:57:20 PM #210: |
Fair enough
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Johnbobb 09/16/17 3:58:21 PM #211: |
DeathChicken posted...
I maintain that Wolverine is way the hell overblown given all the times he's knocked out by relatively piddly things like guns Man that's kind of how I feel about Luke Cage after the Defenders (and it's why I dropped him a tier) In Luke Cage, he's presented as this badass who takes on entire rooms of guys without breaking a sweat, including tanking a rocket launcher and a collapsing building. In The Defenders, --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ http://i.imgur.com/sRNNOSP.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 09/16/17 4:00:14 PM #212: |
I think the op 7s should be moved up go 8s or 9s and cost the appropriate upkeep/buydown/whatever to roster.
Thor is a definite op hero. Maybe you could nerf him by saying he starts out unworthy to yield his hammer until upgraded and that he can only wield it once every whatever weeks when upgraded. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeathChicken 09/16/17 4:06:10 PM #213: |
You can certainly block Avada Kedavra if you get something between you and the projectile (like a statue). I don't think they ever specify just how it actually kills people, so it's hard to say if can be tanked
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Johnbobb 09/16/17 4:06:15 PM #214: |
Corrik posted...
Thor is a definite op hero. Maybe you could nerf him by saying he starts out unworthy to yield his hammer until upgraded and that he can only wield it once every whatever weeks when upgraded. Maybe I'm remembering Thor wrong, but isn't he basically a 2 without his hammer? Corrik posted... I think the op 7s should be moved up go 8s or 9s and cost the appropriate upkeep/buydown/whatever to roster. Well that's kind of why I was saying about having them take up more spots to roster. Or maybe even giving them a Lich King type passive, where they take up more spots if rostered away from their home terrain (in particular, I could see that working for Thor by having him weakened if he's not in Asgard) --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ http://i.imgur.com/sRNNOSP.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FFDragon 09/16/17 4:09:22 PM #215: |
Johnbobb posted...
Maybe I'm remembering Thor wrong, but isn't he basically a 2 without his hammer? Guess we'll find out in Ragnarok! (But considering it looks like he fights Hulk without it and survives, I'd say no) --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus ... Copied to Clipboard!
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